Day 1 of Trump's Presidency... and all the days that follow

[shaberon]

Posted by BMJ (here)
These points are all about zionism and its defeat. Zionist influence on the USA via AIPAC, NGO's, institutions and the alike.

My post is about a post on X you can't expect an essay on X. This point form is a good starting point to do the research.

It's a few thousand years late.

Those are extraordinary claims. If an extraordinary claim is made, it is up to the claimant to make their point.

Your reference to two gangs is vague.

Sorry. It means Democrats and Republicans. I thought I explained that in brief. America has no functional third party outside of this.

All of the references in that list are vague.

Gangs or not President Trump is making inroads in returning freedom and prosperity to the people of the US and the world.

A world free from the zionist/khazarians/satanist/freemasons or whatever name they have and their plans of culling humanity and micromanaging those that survive.

So it's not about "Zionists", but, rather, "the unknown"?

The thing is, if you are trying to promote a cause, and, you post things that cause it to lose sense and turn into a self-mockery, you deflate it.

The last person I've tried to ask about this also returned simple "unknowns" with no attempt to back up a single point. This is anti-persuasive. That's the result so far.

[Rizotto]

What's happening in the USA is impacting the whole world, so that's why the rest of us are very concerned about the ongoing wreckage that the USA has become.
Some of the major points:

The same cabal is running both the Democrats (e.g. woke globalist policies of mass migration, radical LGBTQ agenda, and censorship, mass surveillance, genocide and endless wars), and the Republicans (e.g. 'christian zionist' censorship of any criticism of Israel, and mass surveillance, genocide, endless wars).

Notice that the two branches share similarities. But there are enough differences to give the impression to the people that there's something for them to fight over. As per the cabal's ultimate strategy of 'divide and conquer'. If the people are distracted enough, and wealth stolen from them to bring them down to survival mode, the elites are maintaining control and have won.

Yep, the Biden's administration policies of mass migration, climate hoax, LGBTQ & DEI, voting fraud, etc, were terribly harmful.

But let's also talk about Trump's deal with Palentir for total surveillance of the american people, censorship of any criticism of Israel, and irrational oppression of americans of arab origin who dare to protest against Israel's genocide of Palestinians. Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

By the way, the political scenario is very similar in Canada, so be assured that as a Canadian I don't feel any sense of superiority. Open bribery is probably a little less bad than the hidden bribery that's taking place in Canada. Fact is, the cabal parasite has infected most of the western countries.

What's the solution? The only way out I see is a critical mass of people refusing to vote for those billionaires who come with false promises and hidden agendas. And refusing to pay taxes. Your thoughts?

[T Smith]

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

[Rizotto]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

[Rizotto]

Trump defends Bill Clinton and bashes Thomas Massie for insisting on the release of all Epstein files. Can't make this stuff up.

In my personal opinion, Trump is trying to keep under cover the fact that Epstein was an intel agent for Israel. Trump's Israel first policy.

[BMJ]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by BMJ (here)
These points are all about zionism and its defeat. Zionist influence on the USA via AIPAC, NGO's, institutions and the alike.

My post is about a post on X you can't expect an essay on X. This point form is a good starting point to do the research.

It's a few thousand years late.

Those are extraordinary claims. If an extraordinary claim is made, it is up to the claimant to make their point.

Your reference to two gangs is vague.

Sorry. It means Democrats and Republicans. I thought I explained that in brief. America has no functional third party outside of this.

All of the references in that list are vague.

Gangs or not President Trump is making inroads in returning freedom and prosperity to the people of the US and the world.

A world free from the zionist/khazarians/satanist/freemasons or whatever name they have and their plans of culling humanity and micromanaging those that survive.

So it's not about "Zionists", but, rather, "the unknown"?

The thing is, if you are trying to promote a cause, and, you post things that cause it to lose sense and turn into a self-mockery, you deflate it.

The last person I've tried to ask about this also returned simple "unknowns" with no attempt to back up a single point. This is anti-persuasive. That's the result so far.

You simply like to argue and nit pick Shaberon that speaks for itself in you post.

If you, Rizotto and Abmqa are suffering from TDS and this thread triggers you you might find it more therapeutic to visit and post on the " Trump Is Not The Answer " thread.

There you may find comfort discussing matters with like minded people that suffer from TDS.

It is obvious that the three of you are trying to overwhelm the thread with negative posts to drown out and dissuade anyone making positives posts here.

So your commentaries are divisionary without adding any value what so every to the topic.

For example this reply in post 1718 by Ambqa " "Me thinks doth thou protest too much". Came immediately to me after seeing that post. Omg 😲 "

[Ravenlocke]

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Charging…

Mar 27
Nick Fuentes on Trump deporting 300+ students for criticizing Israel 😳

“They are prioritizing the deportation of people who criticize Israel over the illegal Immigrants”

https://x.com/RedPillSayian/status/1905463645087072361

Brian Allen

Jul 24
Trump now openly calling for the deportation of U.S. citizens.

“We have a lot of bad people … many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too.”

He’s not talking about “illegals” anymore.

He’s talking about you. About anyone who disagrees. About journalists. Activists. Protesters. Citizens.

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1948397192030368129

HOT SPOT

Jul 1
The Trump administration is now considering prosecuting and denaturalizing U.S. citizens for “antisemitism”

Donald Trump is literally trying to make it illegal to criticize Israel. The west has gone full fascist in order to protect Israel

https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1940144525311139864

AF Post

Jul 26, 2024
Trump says he will support Israel’s “war on terror” and deport pro-Palestine protestors.

This comes hours after meeting with Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu.

Follow:
@AFpost

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1817003611022590124

James Li

Jun 30
Per a new DOJ memo — you can now be "denaturalized" and deported for:
🔴criticizing Israel
🔴being critical of war with Iran
🔴or sharing information the Trump administration deems to be against U.S. national security interests

https://x.com/5149jamesli/status/1939776456923783218

RT

Jan 30
Trump goes nuclear on anyone sympathetic to Palestine

- Will nix visas and deport pro-Palestine students

- Orders all tools to prosecute unlawful anti-Semitic 'harassment'

- Schools must surveil foreign students

- Protest may now be 'considered terrorism'

Agree?

https://x.com/RT_com/status/1884877556739928155

Anonymous

The Trump regime has declared that if you criticize Israel or point out they should not mass murder women and children, your visa will be denied.

You can however criticize the US and any of its allies, just not Israel.

https://x.com/YourAnonCentral/status...04596701241732

David Icke

Jan 29
What First Amendment? The 'free speech' hero, right? Israel-owned Trump 'ordering review to identify, punish and deport antisemites — including students on visas.' Who decides what is 'antisemitic'? He does, no, er, ISRAEL does. And the fake free speech advocates cheer their god-king without a smear of embarrassment.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/29/us-new...ents-on-visas/

https://x.com/davidicke/status/1884643037579448760

[BMJ]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Charging…

Mar 27
Nick Fuentes on Trump deporting 300+ students for criticizing Israel 😳

“They are prioritizing the deportation of people who criticize Israel over the illegal Immigrants”

https://x.com/RedPillSayian/status/1905463645087072361

Brian Allen

Jul 24
Trump now openly calling for the deportation of U.S. citizens.

“We have a lot of bad people … many of them were born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too.”

He’s not talking about “illegals” anymore.

He’s talking about you. About anyone who disagrees. About journalists. Activists. Protesters. Citizens.

https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1948397192030368129

HOT SPOT

Jul 1
The Trump administration is now considering prosecuting and denaturalizing U.S. citizens for “antisemitism”

Donald Trump is literally trying to make it illegal to criticize Israel. The west has gone full fascist in order to protect Israel

https://x.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1940144525311139864

AF Post

Jul 26, 2024
Trump says he will support Israel’s “war on terror” and deport pro-Palestine protestors.

This comes hours after meeting with Israeli PM Bibi Netanyahu.

Follow:
@AFpost

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1817003611022590124

James Li

Jun 30
Per a new DOJ memo — you can now be "denaturalized" and deported for:
🔴criticizing Israel
🔴being critical of war with Iran
🔴or sharing information the Trump administration deems to be against U.S. national security interests

https://x.com/5149jamesli/status/1939776456923783218

RT

Jan 30
Trump goes nuclear on anyone sympathetic to Palestine

- Will nix visas and deport pro-Palestine students

- Orders all tools to prosecute unlawful anti-Semitic 'harassment'

- Schools must surveil foreign students

- Protest may now be 'considered terrorism'

Agree?

https://x.com/RT_com/status/1884877556739928155

Anonymous

The Trump regime has declared that if you criticize Israel or point out they should not mass murder women and children, your visa will be denied.

You can however criticize the US and any of its allies, just not Israel.

https://x.com/YourAnonCentral/status...04596701241732

David Icke

Jan 29
What First Amendment? The 'free speech' hero, right? Israel-owned Trump 'ordering review to identify, punish and deport antisemites — including students on visas.' Who decides what is 'antisemitic'? He does, no, er, ISRAEL does. And the fake free speech advocates cheer their god-king without a smear of embarrassment.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/29/us-new...ents-on-visas/

https://x.com/davidicke/status/1884643037579448760

✔️ Trump is exposing the crimes of Israel and is waking up the world to the dangers of Zionism (while cleverly playing the role of Zionist) (From post 1713)

[shaberon]

Posted by BMJ (here)
You simply like to argue and nit pick Shaberon that speaks for itself in you post.

If you, Rizotto and Abmqa are suffering from TDS and this thread triggers you you might find it more therapeutic to visit and post on the " Trump Is Not The Answer " thread.

There you may find comfort discussing matters with like minded people that suffer from TDS.

It is obvious that the three of you are trying to overwhelm the thread with negative posts to drown out and dissuade anyone making positives posts here.

So your commentaries are divisionary without adding any value what so every to the topic.

For example this reply in post 1718 by Ambqa " "Me thinks doth thou protest too much". Came immediately to me after seeing that post. Omg 😲 "

As I suggested in post #6 of this thread, a better starting point on these matters is probably whitehouse.gov. That would be an easy way to talk about straightforward things that have actually happened.

That is correct, I am going to argue against almost everything that happens in American politics.

I thought you had posted some quite reasonable things about what happened in Australia recently. I was asking questions. I generally wouldn't think it was any of my business to get in the middle of whether to promote some politician or not.

If anyone does not want to support or explain the things that they post, we can work around you. Simple enough.

[T Smith]

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Yes, I would like to see that clip, or that reference. If there is one. As far as I know, the media and anti-Trump public relation propagandists are pushing that narrative out of Trump's executive order authorizing the State Department to deport foreign national protestors attending universities (or foreign nationals in the country under similar circumstances) who commit crimes. I'm unclear about what degree of "protest" would constitute a crime under this EO, e.g. lighting a building on fire or throwing a brick through a window? Or just holding up an anti-zionist picket sign? And I'm not necessarily saying I agree with that executive order, as giving the State Department the authority to "interpret" what constitutes so-called "anti-semitism" or "racism" or whatever "wokism" comes next--and charging it as a "crime" is most definitely a slippery slope. What I do know is there was rhetoric (provocative rhetoric--but nothing that would stand up in court) questioning the current legal status of citizenry in United States, by law, granted by error, fraud, birth or marriage.

Example: A pregnant illegal migrant crosses the border eight month's pregnant to give birth to her child in the United States. By law, that child is a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status of his/her parents. I believe the clip you may have seen was Trump criticizing this law, and specifically, questioning whether this is a legal "loophole"--or as another example, questioning if a non-citizen marrying her citizen brother, say--should grant the rights of citizenship. And specifically suggesting denaturalization is on the table to those who have exploited these loopholes and who are now in the country committing crimes. Of course equating the criticism of Israel to a crime is another matter. However, these legal "loopholes", as some view them, do exist, and I've heard Trump rail against them in the same context as the examples you cite. Of course, Presidents don't make laws in the United States. Congress does. So Trump can spout any opinion about the current citizenry laws of the land he wants. Such controversial rhetoric is red meat to anti-Trump public relation lobbyists who transmogrify Trump's clumsily articulated words accordingly--and yes rhetoric can be dangerous and Trump does has influence over his party--but I don't even think a handful of Republican party lawmakers would dare support such hypothetical--and controversial--revisions of the current citizenry laws.

All said, I am in agreement with you that charging those who peacefully criticize Israel--or any government or nation--or even any ethnic or racial group for that matter--with a crime is something every mindful person should revolt against. I just don't see the validity of that charge against this current Trump administration, despite all of Trump's clumsy rhetoric.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by T Smith (here)
A pregnant illegal migrant crosses the border eight month's pregnant to give birth to her child in the United States. By law, that child is a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status of his/her parents.

That child is not a U.S. citizen "by law", if that mother was not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, as stated in The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (Wikipedia)

A good case can be made, analyzing the discussions and origins of the Fourteenth Amendment, that illegal immigrants (and legal ambassadors of other nations to the U.S, invading armies, ...) are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, as intended by those who wrote and passed the Fourteenth Amendment.

[Rizotto]

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Posted by T Smith (here)

Posted by Rizotto (here)

Even to the point of Trump calling for the deportation of american citizens if they criticize Israel. All of you americans should be revolting about this, and about the fact that most of your politicians on both sides are openly bribed by the Israel lobby.

Much of the psyop you describe is embedded in the very language of those who expose it. For example, as far as I know (correct me if I'm mistaken) Trump has never called for the deportation of American citizens who criticize Israel. He's called for the deportation of foreign nationals who criticize Israel. That's provocative enough, for sure--but to be more clear, what Trump has called for in reality has a much different connotation from deporting American citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights. To describe it as something it's not, whether wittingly or unwittingly, is very tactic of divide/conquer.

Carry on. Just my two cents on your post, which I largely agree with.

I'm quite certain that I saw a clip of Trump stating that he would like to revoke the USA citizenship of those who commit crimes. And criticizing Israel is now considered committing a crime. Not sure if those points are actually law, or if Trump is just pushing to turn them into actual law. I'll have to find that clip, it's probably posted somewhere in the last 20 pages of this thread... Maybe someone else here knows where to find it.

Yes, I would like to see that clip, or that reference. If there is one. As far as I know, the media and anti-Trump public relation propagandists are pushing that narrative out of Trump's executive order authorizing the State Department to deport foreign national protestors attending universities (or foreign nationals in the country under similar circumstances) who commit crimes. I'm unclear about what degree of "protest" would constitute a crime under this EO, e.g. lighting a building on fire or throwing a brick through a window? Or just holding up an anti-zionist picket sign? And I'm not necessarily saying I agree with that executive order, as giving the State Department the authority to "interpret" what constitutes so-called "anti-semitism" or "racism" or whatever "wokism" comes next--and charging it as a "crime" is most definitely a slippery slope. What I do know is there was rhetoric (provocative rhetoric--but nothing that would stand up in court) questioning the current legal status of citizenry in United States, by law, granted by error, fraud, birth or marriage.

Example: A pregnant illegal migrant crosses the border eight month's pregnant to give birth to her child in the United States. By law, that child is a U.S. citizen, regardless of the legal status of his/her parents. I believe the clip you may have seen was Trump criticizing this law, and specifically, questioning whether this is a legal "loophole"--or as another example, questioning if a non-citizen marrying her citizen brother, say--should grant the rights of citizenship. And specifically suggesting denaturalization is on the table to those who have exploited these loopholes and who are now in the country committing crimes. Of course equating the criticism of Israel to a crime is another matter. However, these legal "loopholes", as some view them, do exist, and I've heard Trump rail against them in the same context as the examples you cite. Of course, Presidents don't make laws in the United States. Congress does. So Trump can spout any opinion about the current citizenry laws of the land he wants. Such controversial rhetoric is red meat to anti-Trump public relation lobbyists who transmogrify Trump's clumsily articulated words accordingly--and yes rhetoric can be dangerous and Trump does has influence over his party--but I don't even think a handful of Republican party lawmakers would dare support such hypothetical--and controversial--revisions of the current citizenry laws.

All said, I am in agreement with you that charging those who peacefully criticize Israel--or any government or nation--or even any ethnic or racial group for that matter--with a crime is something every mindful person should revolt against. I just don't see the validity of that charge against this current Trump administration, despite all of Trump's clumsy rhetoric.

I just realized that there might be a definition glitch in this conversation. When I say "US citizenship" is anyone who legally has US citizenship, whether born in the USA, or an immigrant who later was granted citizenship. But you seem to have a different view. Do I understand correctly that you believe that those who were born in a foreign country, immigrated to USA, and were granted US citenzenship aren't really US citizens?

The example of birthing immigrants is another matter entirely. It happens in Canada too, especially with wealthy pregnant Chinese who travel to Canada in their last month of pregnancy to give birth to their baby in Canada, specifically so that the child can get Canadian citizenship, in addition to Chinese citizenship. They somehow use that to get access for the whole family eventually.

But in my view, a citizen is a citizen, whether born in a foreign country or born in the US. Trump is going much too far in threatening to revoke the US citizenship of anyone because they did something he doesn't like. We all know of multiple examples of Trump's excesses. Here's just one:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...us-citizenship

Can Trump strip Musk and Mamdani of their US citizenship?
Trump threatened to arrest Zohran Mamdani if the latter did not cooperate with ICE deportation operations in New York.
(full article at link above)

[Rizotto]

To BMJ: I'm sorry that you are unhappy when folks post comments and facts that negatively reflects on Trump on this thread.

This thread is entitled "Day 1 of Trump's Presidency... and all the days that follow". I take that to mean that this thread is about anything that pertains to the Trump administration, e.g. policy, laws, media reports, etc.

But if you believe that this thread should only be used to eulogise Trump, then perhaps you could request the title to be changed to reflect that.
Or maybe start another thread for that purpose? Serious suggestion.

Best wishes to you.

[Rizotto]

Thank you Ravenlocke for your post #1727 above. At this link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1696736

Those are the clips I had in mind when saying earlier that Trump had threatened to revoke the citizenship of certain US citizens for criticising Israel.

[T Smith]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Do I understand correctly that you believe that those who were born in a foreign country, immigrated to USA, and were granted US citenzenship aren't really US citizens?

No, that is not my view. Those who were born in a foreign country, who immigrated to the United States and who were granted citizenship, legally, are citizens. Those in the country who have not legally gone through the immigration process are not citizens. That is more or less the extent of my views on citizenship.

The reality in the United States, and elsewhere, however, is millions upon millions have flooded into the country extra-legally, outside and around the immigration process, who are not citizens. And there may be some instances where the process of obtaining citizenship itself was illegitimate, or executed purely politically or outside the law, e.g. migrants who were granted citizenship arbitrarily via the Biden auto-pen, etc. I don't have an opinion one way or the other on those cases because I don't know the facts and/or the circumstances of those claims. But a court of law might, one way or the other. And the executive branch may have cause to bring those cases before a judge. Or not. And I do recognize Trump is going after some of those "citizens"--at least rhetorically--namely if they throw a brick through a window or light a building on fire. The bottom line, as I understand it, these threats are mostly rhetorical. Or bark, to employ junk-yard lexicon. The president cannot deport a "citizen" simply because he deems they are not a citizen, or because he doesn't like them, but he can challenge the legality of a citizen's status. That's not the same thing, and it's not up to the executive to determine the legality of a citizen's status. That would fall to the judiciary. The question is, then, how absurd are those challenges? The degree of absurdity of executive's challenges, e.g. stripping Musk or Mamdani of citizenship (10 on the absurdity scale from 1 to 10) says more about Trump's excesses of absurd rhetoric than it does about his administration's excesses in reality. And that's really the only point I was making.

But I assume your view may be the executive branch has no legal authority to deport illegal migrants or no claim to challenge the citizenship of those who may have obtained citizenship (allegedly) by error or fraud if they are peacefully exercising their rights and breaking no laws? Or even if they are breaking laws?

I really have no strong views on the former caste (or even illegals who are participating productively in society , provided they are adhering to American values under the banner of its ideological constitution).

So given that view, why does it matter?

It matters, from a more abstract perspective, in my view, because millions and millions of migrants have flooded into the United States, not necessarily to participate productively in society or to adhere to American values under the banner of America's ideological constitution (which is the very objective of the legal immigration process), but by a sinister social-engineering eugenics agenda executed through proxy explicitly by ideological enemies of America (and humanity) to spark division, cultural chaos, civil war, deterioration of national unity, and ultimately to launch the onset of a color revolution employing the population itself as the lethal weapon to deliver a fatal blow, not only America's system of government by and for the people, but to usurp all its peoples (citizens and illegals alike) of individual liberty and inalienable human rights for a neo-feudalist social order based on slavery, poverty, and a new dark age of suffering and oppression.

It's really as simple as that. We can debate that perspective--and I'm open to that--but that's precisely what is happening, among other things, in real time, and what is behind the illegal migration agenda.

And that's why it matters.

[jaybee]

Posted by T Smith (here)

{post snipped see #1735}

It matters, from a more abstract perspective, in my view, because millions and millions of migrants have flooded into the United States, not necessarily to participate productively in society or to adhere to American values under the banner of America's ideological constitution (which is the very objective of the legal immigration process), but by a sinister social-engineering eugenics agenda executed through proxy explicitly by ideological enemies of America (and humanity) to spark division, cultural chaos, civil war, deterioration of national unity, and ultimately to launch the onset of a color revolution employing the population itself as the lethal weapon to deliver a fatal blow, not only America's system of government by and for the people, but to usurp all its peoples (citizens and illegals alike) of individual liberty and inalienable human rights for a neo-feudalist social order based on slavery, poverty, and a new dark age of suffering and oppression.

It's really as simple as that. We can debate that perspective--and I'm open to that--but that's precisely what is happening, among other things, in real time, and what is behind the illegal migration agenda.

And that's why it matters.

(bolding mine)


A case in point has to be what's happening in Minnesota - when enough 'voters' legal or illegal or pretend (election fraud) exist - a voting block can be created and that in tandem with a deeply corrupt DOJ can do untold damage to a country - can destroy a country and we now know that the Globalist Elite, the mega rich Ruling Class has weaponized migration (legal or illegal) to defeat the citizens from within in Western Nations - - -

To say it's a mess and that the 'West' as we know it is teetering on the brink of defeat - is an understatement - and this, in my view is why we need to recognize that only someone as 'bullish' and determined and outspoken as Trump has a chance to make a dent in the sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in - the PSYOP against Trump is all pervasive and vicious ....

I don't know what he can do with the traitorous and corrupted DOJ who are busy blocking moves to stop the downfall of America - other nations- like the UK have similar 'problems'....

anyway - Minnesota is in trouble - deep trouble ....

What the HECK IS HAPPENING IN MINNESOTA??? (13:23)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8tGV178h5Uc

The `somali fraud` case in Minnesota has again brought the state into the spotlight, as a corrupt county Democrat judge reportedly allowed a couple to walk free despite a unanimous guilty verdict for stealing $7.2 million in `taxpayer money`. This `criminal investigation` highlights serious flaws within our `judicial branch`, raising questions about `government oversight`. The couple, found guilty of `criminal charges`, underscores a system in dire need of reform.

[abmqa]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by BMJ (here)
You simply like to argue and nit pick Shaberon that speaks for itself in you post.

If you, Rizotto and Abmqa are suffering from TDS and this thread triggers you you might find it more therapeutic to visit and post on the " Trump Is Not The Answer " thread.

There you may find comfort discussing matters with like minded people that suffer from TDS.

It is obvious that the three of you are trying to overwhelm the thread with negative posts to drown out and dissuade anyone making positives posts here.

So your commentaries are divisionary without adding any value what so every to the topic.

For example this reply in post 1718 by Ambqa " "Me thinks doth thou protest too much". Came immediately to me after seeing that post. Omg 😲 "

As I suggested in post #6 of this thread, a better starting point on these matters is probably whitehouse.gov. That would be an easy way to talk about straightforward things that have actually happened.

That is correct, I am going to argue against almost everything that happens in American politics.

I thought you had posted some quite reasonable things about what happened in Australia recently. I was asking questions. I generally wouldn't think it was any of my business to get in the middle of whether to promote some politician or not.

If anyone does not want to support or explain the things that they post, we can work around you. Simple enough.

I'm trying to overwhelm the thread? I made a single post, about a post that in "my opinion" was remarkable. So I remarked. As a result I get labeled with the phrase suffering from TDS. Lol. It's amazing how sensitive these Maga minions are. I guess the nerves are frayed by the recent revelations from the release of the files from Trump's bestie Epstein. I apologize. I'm out. 😆

[Ernie Nemeth]

Ya, they brought out their shadowbanner, multi-poster for support. The same who has ruined so many threads by overwhelming number of consecutive posts. There is no discussion where that one treads. Another thread I will no longer participate in. So I guess you guys win. Good for you.

Usually, a discussion is won by the merit of the posts for or against. In this forum it is becoming more about the art of attrition. Who can outlast the multi-posters' salacious opinions. It seems always to be the same folks. Go ahead, 'win' every thread. Keep them for yourselves, collect them, wash them all of any sense.

And if you can't find the time to ruin every thread, don't despair, you can always brand your opponents with ad hominen attacks. In this forum the worst you can be called is an Islamophobe, followed by Zionist - easy to recognize the love affair here with the dominant rhetoric of the times. Hate everything Trump, no matter what. Support Islam, downplay the west's positive influence, and find Israelis under every bed.

Go ahead, add this thread to the collection.
Makes no mind to me.
You cannot sway me with such tactics - but you can sway others, so have at it.
I won't waste my time here anymore.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
In this forum it is becoming more about the art of attrition. Who can outlast the multi-posters' salacious opinions. It seems always to be the same folks. Go ahead, 'win' every thread. Keep them for yourselves, collect them, wash them all of any sense.

The art of attrition almost never comes from well thought out and typed posts from ones own mind, but almost always from communicating through copy and pasted tweets and memes relating to a certain biased or deranged ideology.

Yes, it seems to always be coming from the same folks, who in my opinion derail and pollute threads with extreme biased opinions in the form of copied and pasted tweets, and sometimes the same ole simply typed out biased claims and judgmental insults or accusations.

It seems every thread I try to participate in becomes saturated with "orange man or Israel bad" posts and nearly impossible to stay on subject. It's becoming more and more difficult to follow an interesting conversation anymore without constantly scrolling pages to see where the conversation left off and then possibly continued. The topic and or conversation is usually derailed and stopped by these same folks it seems.

I am starting to question why I'm still even participating....perhaps my time with Project Avalon is nearing its expiration date.

[Mike]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Ya, they brought out their shadowbanner, multi-poster for support. The same who has ruined so many threads by overwhelming number of consecutive posts. There is no discussion where that one treads. Another thread I will no longer participate in. So I guess you guys win. Good for you.

Usually, a discussion is won by the merit of the posts for or against. In this forum it is becoming more about the art of attrition. Who can outlast the multi-posters' salacious opinions. It seems always to be the same folks. Go ahead, 'win' every thread. Keep them for yourselves, collect them, wash them all of any sense.

And if you can't find the time to ruin every thread, don't despair, you can always brand your opponents with ad hominen attacks. In this forum the worst you can be called is an Islamophobe, followed by Zionist - easy to recognize the love affair here with the dominant rhetoric of the times. Hate everything Trump, no matter what. Support Islam, downplay the west's positive influence, and find Israelis under every bed.

Go ahead, add this thread to the collection.
Makes no mind to me.
You cannot sway me with such tactics - but you can sway others, so have at it.
I won't waste my time here anymore.

Well said, Ernie.

I proudly declare my disgust with Islam. Any civilized person should. I don't know if that makes me an Islamophobe because I don't know what that means exactly. I've also been called a Zionist, more times that I can count, by people who are incapable of coherently defining the word "Zionist" I'm still waiting for just one person to tell me what that word means exactly.