The UN: Stick a fork in it, it's done

[Bill Ryan]

The United Nations is now fully impotent and completely unable to act judicially on any aspect of international law.

Discuss.

[Bruce G Charlton]

My feeling is that the UN was, from its origin, intended to be an instrument for imposing a totalitarian world government (New World Order, Great Reset etc); but this covert aim was approached gradually, incrementally.

Indeed, in early 2020, and via its subsidiary the WHO, the UN came very close to achieving this objective of world government. For the only time in history all the nations of the world were following the same agenda - almost the entire planet was locked-down.

But since later in 2020, the forces of chaos have waxed more powerful, and increasingly overwhelmed the agenda for micro-control and omni-surveillance; with policies such as increased inter-race hatred, mass-poisoning attempt of hundreds of millions, increased inter-nation hatred, anti-trade, anti-farming, pro-violence; and pro-war... in more and yet more places.

From totalitarian enslavement, towards more violent chaos, disease and starvation: The decline of the UN is an ending of one kind of evil; but unfortunately it is being replaced by another kind.

[Le Chat]

I think that it is structurally constrained, rather than impotent.
Powerful when major powers agree and weak when they don’t—which says more about global politics than about the institution itself.

[syrwong]

The UN is a big club that every nation is in, but its people, you, ain't in it. You have no say, but they decide your fate.

[rgray222]

The UN should be shutdown but if it is going to remain open, it should be headquartered in a 3rd world country, not in NYC. Delegates should be individuals who truly want to make a difference, rather than people who are only adding another notch to their CV, or those who are more concerned about securing nice NYC apartments and making the right reservations at the best restaurants.

It is structurally ineffective because the five permanent members have veto power, which can block constructive action even when there is broad global support. Stalemates on critical issues are commonplace. The body can pass resolutions all day long, but they have no real enforcement power, especially in matters of military intervention. The most powerful nations influence the decision-making for political purposes and have little or no regard for meaningful solutions. The humanitarian aid effort and the children's charity are laughable. The effectiveness of this organization is not even debatable; it needs to cease to exist.

Sadly, I believe that this organization will not only remain in place, but it will flourish over the next decade. Organizations under its control (WHO, World Bank, IMF, WFP, UNICEF, UNSC, etc.) are needed to keep the world moving towards global governance. China is a huge proponent of global government, and they have found a strategic partner in the United Nations. They are on a mission ot make China the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily by 2050, and they view the UN as an essential tool to accomplish that mission.

[grapevine]

In theory, the idea of a United Nations is brilliant and should and could have worked. There’s nothing wrong with a united World Order either, as long as it raises the bar overall and gives EVERYONE a better standard of living and opportunities to inspire and create a Utopia, a heaven on earth. Unfortunately, in practise, there’s bound to be trouble when those who are in charge care nothing at all for the masses, the people who elected them to represent the rest of us, so it’s not surprising that the world is failing, will continue to fall into further decline, and eventually the human race will be wiped out, taking along many other species.

Unless we can put it right, and it looks as though an opportunity for us to do just that is coming up very soon.

Somewhere along the line we’ve gone very wrong; perhaps we’re all (collectively) responsible as if we put as much into the community as we do into our own lives then maybe the United Nations wouldn’t have been such a nightmare or impossible dream. That Socrates and other philosophers’ words ring so true today highlights that nothing really changes and so history is unfortunately set to repeat itself over and over.

Having said that, and regardless of all the chaos in the world today, there’s no other lifetime I’d rather be experiencing than the one I’m living right now. Taken as a whole, the script is more fantastic than anything that’s ever come out of Hollywood.

[sdv]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
The UN should be shutdown but if it is going to remain open, it should be headquartered in a 3rd world country, not in NYC. Delegates should be individuals who truly want to make a difference, rather than people who are only adding another notch to their CV, or those who are more concerned about securing nice NYC apartments and making the right reservations at the best restaurants.

It is structurally ineffective because the five permanent members have veto power, which can block constructive action even when there is broad global support. Stalemates on critical issues are commonplace. The body can pass resolutions all day long, but they have no real enforcement power, especially in matters of military intervention. The most powerful nations influence the decision-making for political purposes and have little or no regard for meaningful solutions. The humanitarian aid effort and the children's charity are laughable. The effectiveness of this organization is not even debatable; it needs to cease to exist.

Sadly, I believe that this organization will not only remain in place, but it will flourish over the next decade. Organizations under its control (WHO, World Bank, IMF, WFP, UNICEF, UNSC, etc.) are needed to keep the world moving towards global governance. China is a huge proponent of global government, and they have found a strategic partner in the United Nations. They are on a mission ot make China the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily by 2050, and they view the UN as an essential tool to accomplish that mission.

Does China know what you are claiming? The same China that champions a multi-polar world in which one nation does not dominate, and individual sovereignty is respected, for every nation, big or small?

[rgray222]

Posted by sdv (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
The UN should be shutdown but if it is going to remain open, it should be headquartered in a 3rd world country, not in NYC. Delegates should be individuals who truly want to make a difference, rather than people who are only adding another notch to their CV, or those who are more concerned about securing nice NYC apartments and making the right reservations at the best restaurants.

It is structurally ineffective because the five permanent members have veto power, which can block constructive action even when there is broad global support. Stalemates on critical issues are commonplace. The body can pass resolutions all day long, but they have no real enforcement power, especially in matters of military intervention. The most powerful nations influence the decision-making for political purposes and have little or no regard for meaningful solutions. The humanitarian aid effort and the children's charity are laughable. The effectiveness of this organization is not even debatable; it needs to cease to exist.

Sadly, I believe that this organization will not only remain in place, but it will flourish over the next decade. Organizations under its control (WHO, World Bank, IMF, WFP, UNICEF, UNSC, etc.) are needed to keep the world moving towards global governance. China is a huge proponent of global government, and they have found a strategic partner in the United Nations. They are on a mission ot make China the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily by 2050, and they view the UN as an essential tool to accomplish that mission.

Does China know what you are claiming? The same China that champions a multi-polar world in which one nation does not dominate, and individual sovereignty is respected, for every nation, big or small?

If you truly believe that China cares about a multipolar world order, then you have entirely missed the geopolitical boat. China views the multipolar world order as a crucial step in achieving a bipolar world order with the US anchoring one pole and China the other. China's ambitions do not stop there; they are on a mission to become the dominant world power by 2050. China has made no secret of their mission, as a matter of fact, they were so vocal about it that they felt a need to pull back and deny some of the early statements. Here is one story about China's 2050 military plan.

President XI would be foolish not to embrace global government; it would be the fastest and most effective way to achieve global dominance, especially when you have a population base of 1.4 billion.

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization is very much like the UN of Asia

President Xi Jinping unveils Global Governance Initiative at Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO)

President Xi Jinping chairs and addresses the "Shanghai Cooperation Organization Plus "Meeting in Tianjin on Monday. His speech was titled "Pooling the Strength of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization to Improve Global Governance". WANG ZHUANGFEI/CHINA DAILY

President Xi Jinping unveiled the Global Governance Initiative at a grand gathering with leaders from the Shanghai Cooperation Organization family on Monday, stressing China's readiness to work with all countries for a more just and equitable global governance system.

The Chinese president expounded on his fourth global initiative, after the Global Development Initiative, Global Security Initiative and Global Civilization Initiative, at the "Shanghai Cooperation Organization Plus "Meeting in Tianjin.

The meeting brought together leaders of more than 20 countries from the SCO family, including member states, observer states and dialogue partners, as well as 10 international organizations.

In explaining the initiative, Xi pointed out that the Cold War mentality, hegemony and protectionism continue to haunt the world, and "global governance has come to a new crossroads".

He highlighted five principles for the Global Governance Initiative — adherence to sovereign equality, abiding by international rule of law, practicing true multilateralism, advocating the people-centered approach and focusing on taking real actions.

"We should maintain that all countries, regardless of size, strength and wealth, are equal participants, decision-makers and beneficiaries in global governance," Xi said. "We should promote greater democracy in international relations and increase the representation and voice of developing countries," he said.

He warned against "double standards" and rules imposed by "a few countries", stressing that the United Nations must remain at the core of global governance.

Xi emphasized the need to firmly safeguard the status and authority of the UN and ensure its "irreplaceable, key role" in global governance.

Meanwhile, he made an appeal for the reform and improvement of the global governance system to ensure that the people of every nation are the actors in and beneficiaries of global governance.

The goal, he said, is to better tackle the common challenges for mankind, better narrow the North-South gap, and better safeguard the common interests of all countries.

The Chinese president then made the case for taking real actions, saying that countries should adopt a systematic and holistic approach, coordinate global actions, fully mobilize various resources, and strive for more visible outcomes.

"We should enhance practical cooperation to prevent the governance system from lagging behind or being fragmented," he said.

Xi called on the SCO to step up and play a leading role and set an example in carrying out the Global Governance Initiative, saying the grouping should contribute to safeguarding world peace and stability.

"We should continue to uphold the principles of nonalliance, nonconfrontation and not targeting any third party," he added.

The organization should take responsibility for open cooperation across the globe, he said. "We should continue to dismantle walls, not erect them; we should seek integration, not decoupling."

Xi also said that SCO countries should advance high-quality Belt and Road cooperation and push for universally beneficial and inclusive economic globalization.

He announced Beijing's decision to establish three major platforms for China-SCO cooperation in energy, green industry and the digital economy, and to set up three major cooperation centers for sci-tech innovation, higher education and vocational and technical education.

China will work with fellow SCO countries in the next five years to increase the installed capacity of photovoltaic and wind power by 10 million kilowatts each, Xi said.

Xi then urged SCO countries to set an example in championing the common values of humanity, while announcing China's decision to treat 500 patients with congenital heart disease, perform 5,000 cataract operations and carry out 10,000 cancer screenings for other SCO countries.

Xi also made an appeal for SCO countries to defend international fairness and justice, saying they should continue to unequivocally oppose hegemonism and power politics, practice true multilateralism, and stand as "a pillar in promoting a multipolar world and greater democracy in international relations".

The initiative was widely welcomed and supported during the meeting, as leaders highlighted the need for a more effective governance philosophy and system as the world is confronted with widening deficits in governance, challenges to sustainable development and rising unilateralism.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi said at a news briefing on Monday that Xi's launch of the Global Governance Initiative was the "biggest highlight" of this year's SCO summit.

He said that the initiative's underlying principles are fully consistent with the purposes and principles of the UN Charter. "It is designed to firmly support the central role of the UN in international affairs, and to encourage all countries to participate in the reform and development of the global governance system through the UN and other multilateral mechanisms."

Nurlan Yermekbayev, the SCO's secretary-general, said the fact that the Global Governance Initiative "was put forward on the SCO platform carries profound symbolic significance".

"Indeed, the principles enshrined in the initiative are of paramount importance, with the people-centered approach standing out in particular. After all, as we all recognize, the initiative's central purpose is to advance human development and improve people's livelihoods."

https://www.scochina2025.org.cn/en/n...-20361093.html

[sdv]

Criticism of the UN is plentiful, but the following is a good summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...United_Nations

I don't think the UN can be reformed. Those advocating for reform of the Security Council (various groupings, each with its own ideas) are jockeying for power. If the UN could be reformed, I would advocate for two countries to have a veto power in the Security Council: Tibet (which ceased to be a country, by force) and Bhutan. Countries like Greenland are usually cited as the most peaceful countries in the world. Really? With USA military and intelligence bases in the country? As for bribery, it is rife in many forms at the UN. How do we reform that? Offending countries must sit in the naughty corner at the UN and not speak for a year?

But, the UN does have organizations that are very effective and efficient in delivering aid when it is most needed. Until Israel and the USA blocked it, UNWRA was an essential lifeline in Gaza. If there was a major eruption at Yellowstone tomorrow, it is the UN who could most effectively get aid to Americans.

The AU does not have an EU or NATO, but the organization can call on member states to contribute to a peacekeeping or peacemaking mission, and countries actually do co-ordinate well. Less structures and rules does not necessarily mean less effectiveness. But, if I had to vote reform or abolish, I choose the latter.

[DNA]

The UN is a hub of pedophile globalists bent on depopulation.
So I hope this is a correct statement and we can put a fork in them.
But I don't think they are done just yet.

[Bluegreen]

Agreed DNA

Just look at Wikipedia's list of UN Goodwill Ambassadors, 80% of them bad actors, going all the way back to Audrey Hepburn and Danny Kaye (real name Kaminski), both of whom were multi-lingual, neither of whom needed a passport to go anywhere in the world, at the time. Good traits for a spy.

Hepburn came to the US from Belgium as a trained spook, documented. Due to the times, Kaye has a murkier history. He was rumored to be gay, and was married to his writer. Danny Kaye was a talented comedic actor, his wife knew him and knew what he could do, and wrote material for him to shine.

And here we have UN Goodwill Ambassador Katy Perry breaking up with fellow UN Goodwill Ambassador Orlando Bloom to hook up with none other than Fidel Castro's son. What a surprise.

[shaberon]

I would suggest two different dynamics.


On the control aspect, the eleventh hour addition of Nazi Argentina was admitted and invented the phrase "collective security agreement", which turned around and formed the basis of NATO, which is an outright Fascist arrangement -- and it is actually NATO that might disintegrate soon, even to the extent of closing Rammstein.

On the popular level, the World Health Organization is the only thing that every country in the world has ever unanimously agreed to.

And so the existence of the United Nations is rather lopsided. It shows unusual favoritism, and some of the spinoff organizations are anywhere from ineffective to corrupt.


For the most part, the United States destroyed it, or destroyed the purpose of the Charter. Pretty much all the way. The organization is ineffective because the United States takes or vetoes whatever they want. If not, give me one example where they ever listened to diplomacy and significantly changed their actions due to outside advice.


It's an existential paradox, because I would think we should use a type of international monitor for Treaties, and have an open channel for improving management and trade relations and so forth; but then the issue becomes, how would a center of agreements enforce anything?

If it can't, then you have the voluntary agreers pitted against someone who really will use force; and if it can, then there is the extreme danger an "Orbital Authority" would enforce a bit too much.

That's a really serious underlying issue about anything that will ever happen. Do things work by voluntary compliance, or by force?

There's politics and money. Sleazebags will come drooling.

First of all, those politicians would need to be public servants which means it is a low-paying job and a total headache that no one wants to do, which is why it is called service. Those are our employees. But this perspective seems to be missing.

To make a great big government out of individual governments that are already composed of the wrong kinds of individuals? Sounds difficult.

When you put the window dressing to the side, it has one main purpose, resolving conflicts and establishing peace. I remain in favor of something like this. I just don't see it functioning any better simply due to the nature of some of the participants. I don't think anyone will ever agree that we need to put in a big Orbital Authority so the UN could directly enforce whatever it decided.

The main point of the UN Charter is perhaps the most difficult discussion we can have.

It's quite easy to rail against particular countries, people, institutions like the IMF and World Bank, and so on, but the main purpose and why it has not been achieved are something to really think about.

[norman]

Posted by DNA (here)
The UN is a hub of pedophile globalists bent on depopulation.
So I hope this is a correct statement and we can put a fork in them.
But I don't think they are done just yet.

I think you left out the word 'Luciferian'.


Former Director of Planetary Initiative at the United Nations. David Spangler once said:

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation,"

"Lucifer" is sometimes interpreted symbolically as the "light-bringer" or intellectual enlightenment, rather than the Christian personification of Satan.

The Lucis Trust Connection, a non-profit organization that is on the UN Economic and Social Council's list of NGOs. The trust was founded in 1922 as "Lucifer Publishing Company" by Alice Bailey, a prominent theosophist who also discussed a "Luciferian initiation" in her writings regarding a new world religion.

The book United Nations of Lucifer by V. Lynn, argues that the UN's "Meditation Room" contains a six-ton iron ore altar dedicated to this purpose. This claim is largely part of Christian end-times theology and anti-globalist conspiracy narratives, which interpret global cooperation initiatives as the rise of the Antichrist.

[sdv]

Posted by Bluegreen (here)
Agreed DNA

Just look at Wikipedia's list of UN Goodwill Ambassadors, 80% of them bad actors, going all the way back to Audrey Hepburn and Danny Kaye (real name Kaminski), both of whom were multi-lingual, neither of whom needed a passport to go anywhere in the world, at the time. Good traits for a spy.

Hepburn came to the US from Belgium as a trained spook, documented. Due to the times, Kaye has a murkier history. He was rumored to be gay, and was married to his writer. Danny Kaye was a talented comedic actor, his wife knew him and knew what he could do, and wrote material for him to shine.

And here we have UN Goodwill Ambassador Katy Perry breaking up with fellow UN Goodwill Ambassador Orlando Bloom to hook up with none other than Fidel Castro's son. What a surprise.

Thanks for the reminder of one of the many corrupt aspects of the UN. We all contribute to the funding of this insanity.

'Katy Perry visited Cuba in 2015, meeting with Raul Castro's daughter,'

'Based on available information, there is no evidence that any of Fidel Castro’s direct, acknowledged sons are currently living in the United States or Canada.'

If Katy Perry was hooking up with Fidel Castro's son, I would see that as reflecting badly on him, not on her! But, her only connection with Cuba is her visit in 2015 where she befriended Raul's daughter.

[Violet3]

Humanity is still too primitive as a whole to be united on anything; so the UN could never have been anything but an attempt at domination of the planet by those who can run it's institutions while giving operations a veneer of acceptability. While the UN may be an effective political tool for some who benefit from it, it does not help nation states impartially, let alone humanity, and should go in my opinion.

[Isserley]

Posted by sdv (here)

Posted by Bluegreen (here)
Agreed DNA

Just look at Wikipedia's list of UN Goodwill Ambassadors, 80% of them bad actors, going all the way back to Audrey Hepburn and Danny Kaye (real name Kaminski), both of whom were multi-lingual, neither of whom needed a passport to go anywhere in the world, at the time. Good traits for a spy.

Hepburn came to the US from Belgium as a trained spook, documented. Due to the times, Kaye has a murkier history. He was rumored to be gay, and was married to his writer. Danny Kaye was a talented comedic actor, his wife knew him and knew what he could do, and wrote material for him to shine.

And here we have UN Goodwill Ambassador Katy Perry breaking up with fellow UN Goodwill Ambassador Orlando Bloom to hook up with none other than Fidel Castro's son. What a surprise.

Thanks for the reminder of one of the many corrupt aspects of the UN. We all contribute to the funding of this insanity.

'Katy Perry visited Cuba in 2015, meeting with Raul Castro's daughter,'

'Based on available information, there is no evidence that any of Fidel Castro’s direct, acknowledged sons are currently living in the United States or Canada.'

If Katy Perry was hooking up with Fidel Castro's son, I would see that as reflecting badly on him, not on her! But, her only connection with Cuba is her visit in 2015 where she befriended Raul's daughter.

Katy Perry is dating Justin Trudeau as of 2025 aka Fidel's unacknowledged son.
I believe he is his son just as much as I believe Brigitte Macron is a man..

[Mike Gorman]

The League of Nations was its precursor, & I agree the United Nations was a wonderful basic idea, but really it is a relic of WWII, now it is too corrupted & abused. The USA became the global power, the UN its seeming global pax-Americana utility. The security council became the only part of the UN with any teeth, WHO & UNESCO -too awful to speak of. The final speech from the old fella who was the chief, it was at least honest. I recall that the UN was spoken of as being an absolute authority, with the bill of human rights when I was a kid/teenager, I never thought the UN would become an object of ridicule & contempt: very sad in many ways, it started out with such optimistic hope & lofty idealism! Alas!

[Inversion]

According to the below article the United Nations was to push for a one world government.

Benjamin Fulford's posts and reports

After “Internationalist” controllers’ first attempt at one world governance failed with their League of Nations immediately after World War I, during the ensuing years, the Rockefeller Foundation emerged as the key catalyst spawning the 1945 United Nations, donating both their land and monies to create their long plotted globalist one world government, or at least its precursor.

Google AI

"Un" in Latin primarily relates to the number "one," from the root ūnus, but the English prefix "un-" (meaning "not") comes from Germanic roots and is distinct, though it shares distant Indo-European origins with Latin's negative in- prefix. In English, "un-" negates (unhappy), while the Latin in- also negates (inactive), and "un-" as a verb prefix reverses action (unravel).

[Michi]

According to AFP, France decline Trumps invitation to his "board of peace" and Germany remains to decline or accept the invitation.
The "board of peace" is considered a bypass of the UN.

[Ravenlocke]

Mohamad Safa

For the first time in the history of the United Nations.

Israel takeover of UNRWA headquarters in Jerusalem and raised its flag over the building.

This violates Article 52 of Additional Protocol (I) Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter, which stipulates that “The property and assets of the UN, wherever located shall be immune…”

Another violation of international law being broadcast live. Israel's impunity must end!

https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/2013592106418229324