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    Default Re: The UN: Stick a fork in it, it's done

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    The Lucis Trust Connection, a non-profit organization that is on the UN Economic and Social Council's list of NGOs. The trust was founded in 1922 as "Lucifer Publishing Company" by Alice Bailey, a prominent theosophist who also discussed a "Luciferian initiation" in her writings regarding a new world religion.

    The book United Nations of Lucifer by V. Lynn, argues that the UN's "Meditation Room" contains a six-ton iron ore altar dedicated to this purpose. This claim is largely part of Christian end-times theology and anti-globalist conspiracy narratives, which interpret global cooperation initiatives as the rise of the Antichrist.

    That is correct. Those are the two underground trends that have conditioned the course of events.

    Ms. Bailey applied to, but got no response from, Shuddha Dharma Mandala, the Indian outcropping of the Agartha world government claimed by St-Yves d'Alveydre. She left India and right there in New York created a westernized version of it. As a faction, this is mainly the Council on Foreign Relations, which dictates to the U. S. State Department, which has an appointed Secretary, rather than an elected Foreign Minister like almost everywhere else in the world.

    The opposite camp could be characterized as John Birch, that is, the generally right wing pro-American faction we see in power today.


    It was actually One World Empire that was invented by St-Yves, which asserts the following dogma:


    Judeo-Christianity means the Muslims are inferior, and must be driven out so the Europeans can establish Greater Israel.

    He told the heads of state of Russia and the UK to adopt the policies that formed the Entente, the reversal of alliances that directly led to World War One and therefor everything subsequently related.

    The Pope was a Prisoner in the Vatican, and he suggested a new strategy of ecumenical papism, that is, to drop the "mono-polar" Catholic-converting drive, and to rise up as a stalwart of "Christianity", which is the foundation of Ms. Bailey's doctrine, but yet also of Opus Dei when operating in the conservative Catholic domains.


    So you see the wars, etc., leading to new institutions in the twentieth century, even though we already had some of a different nature.


    The first type of NGOs, think tanks, peace initiatives, etc., were designed by Garibaldi, culminating in the Inter-Parliamentary Union, 1888. This continues to function. It has no enforcement. Iran is a regular participant. It is just a gathering of members of parliaments. And then whatever they come up with, is merely an influence, they are free to suggest things in their home countries and attempt to pass it by the normal procedure.

    If we could agree on a sensible conversation, we wouldn't really need anything more than that.

    I don't recall it making waves in my country.

    The "two discussions" have and I don't see either as viable.

    Right now I don't see the United States as fit to participate in any world order. Everyone else needs to be working on their shifts until this place matures.

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    Default Re: The UN: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    In answer to the OP, and no waffle involved: yes. it's done. That's about as involved as I'm going to be with this too.
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    The United Nations was largely funded and started by a major American arm of the UK/Euro globalist colonialist Bankers, the Rockefeller's. The United Nations was setup as an umbrella organization over a flotilla of international organizations with power superior to sovereign nations, and with the means and mission to implement banker's strategies globally.

    From 31:54 to 36:49 in the Youtube video "The Hidden Agenda Behind Trump's CHAOS - Globalists in 'Hysterical PANIC'", Alex Krainer spells out the scope and authority of this international organizational structure




    My hand composed transcript of the 31:54 to 36:49 portion Alex Krainer's remarks from the above Youtube video (Alex's hems and haws are randomly replaced with my typos):

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    After World War II, they started creating these international organizations and so now there are 76 international organizations that have legal immunities in the United States under the international organizations act of 1945, which means
    1. they are tax exempt so they dont report taxes so you cant have any look into their finances, money coming in, money going out, that's completely non-transparent, and
    2. they also have legal immunity meaning you can't hold them accountable for anything. They work completely outside of the law.
    And so these international organizations, and when I say there are 76 of them, we're talking about things like the World Meterological Organization, World Food Organization, World Health Organization, Gabi vaccine alliance, World Migrations something or other, and all these organizations, they're pretty much when you look into their agendas and plans, they're pretty much ..., their objectives are to implement UN sustainable goals, the Agenda 2030, or pretty much you can say is the same thing ... the Great Reset and Klaus Schwab's Fourth Industrial Revolution.

    So they're all implementing that. and that's, you know, when Klaus Schwab says that World Economic Forum is going to replace the United States as the top of the global governance, this is what they mean. They intend to rule the world through all these immune, unaccountable, undemocratic, international organizations.

    When I was speaking about Nicholas Maduro, what happened just a few days after they brought Nicholas Maduro to the United States is that Trump administration announced that they were withdrawing from 66 out of 76 of these international organizations, which means they're yanking their legal immunities from under them. So that means that there's going to be accountability.
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    Xi called on the SCO to step up and play a leading role and set an example in carrying out the Global Governance Initiative, saying the grouping should contribute to safeguarding world peace and stability.
    I might be a wimp when it comes to swinging the sword on the battle field (*), but the Anglo-Saxon blood in me still prefers the freedom of battle to the "peace and stability" of prison.

    (*) I will happily swing my keyboard on the bit field however ...
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    Default Re: The UN: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    Quote Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
    .
    The United Nations was largely funded and started by a major American arm of the UK/Euro globalist colonialist Bankers, the Rockefeller's. The United Nations was setup as an umbrella organization over a flotilla of international organizations with power superior to sovereign nations, and with the means and mission to implement banker's strategies globally.

    From 31:54 to 36:49 in the Youtube video "The Hidden Agenda Behind Trump's CHAOS - Globalists in 'Hysterical PANIC'", Alex Krainer spells out the scope and authority of this international organizational structure




    My hand composed transcript of the 31:54 to 36:49 portion Alex Krainer's remarks from the above Youtube video (Alex's hems and haws are randomly replaced with my typos):

    ===
    After World War II, they started creating these international organizations and so now there are 76 international organizations that have legal immunities in the United States under the international organizations act of 1945, which means
    1. they are tax exempt so they dont report taxes so you cant have any look into their finances, money coming in, money going out, that's completely non-transparent, and
    2. they also have legal immunity meaning you can't hold them accountable for anything. They work completely outside of the law.
    And so these international organizations, and when I say there are 76 of them, we're talking about things like the World Meterological Organization, World Food Organization, World Health Organization, Gabi vaccine alliance, World Migrations something or other, and all these organizations, they're pretty much when you look into their agendas and plans, they're pretty much ..., their objectives are to implement UN sustainable goals, the Agenda 2030, or pretty much you can say is the same thing ... the Great Reset and Klaus Schwab's Fourth Industrial Revolution.

    So they're all implementing that. and that's, you know, when Klaus Schwab says that World Economic Forum is going to replace the United States as the top of the global governance, this is what they mean. They intend to rule the world through all these immune, unaccountable, undemocratic, international organizations.

    When I was speaking about Nicholas Maduro, what happened just a few days after they brought Nicholas Maduro to the United States is that Trump administration announced that they were withdrawing from 66 out of 76 of these international organizations, which means they're yanking their legal immunities from under them. So that means that there's going to be accountability.
    ===
    Many thanks for this Paul although if you listen on a bit further there's mention of a report given to Elon Musk about the grooming gangs in the UK, the proceeds of which (£milllions) went to fund 9/11 and 7/7 and implicate the Labour party, which is the reason for the big cover up, which will be exposed. What wasn't said was who compiled this report. Apologies as it's not specifically about the UN but worth the mention imo.
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    Default Re: The UN: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    From one angle, because of the United States and Israel, the United Nations never was.

    The other angle is more important -- various peoples who would like a united nations of some kind, and to have governments kept in check by something. Especially people living where someone's air force had a field day. From this perspective, equal treatment for what the United States did to Korea would consist of carpet bombing 30% of the population. How could you start the 1950s with a remotely serious expression when this happens. It just gives a precedent for one-sidedness.

    That is still the main problem according to one of its own officers:


    Quote Unchecked American military actions, including the assault on Venezuela, signal a return to “predatory colonialism” — a shift that threatens the foundations of international law and risks plunging global affairs back into a “law of the jungle,” says a UN rapporteur.

    In an interview with the Press TV website, Ben Saul, the UN Special Rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism, said Washington’s recent and unilateral acts of aggression reflect a broader erosion of legal restraints on the use of force, particularly under President Donald Trump.

    “It returns us to an era of predatory colonialism, where powerful countries can impose their will on others, seize their territory or exploit their resources, with total disregard for their sovereignty or right of self-determination and wishes,” Saul stated.

    History, he noted, shows this path is “a recipe for great instability and conflict, with predictable risks of escalation and great loss of human life.”

    Saul’s assessment follows a dramatic escalation on January 3, when US forces struck Venezuela’s largest military complex in Caracas along with several strategic sites in the states of Miranda, Aragua and La Guaira.

    The operation culminated in the illegal and extrajudicial kidnapping of President Nicolás Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, who were transferred to the United States to face unsubstantiated charges including “narco-terrorism” and cocaine trafficking — allegations that Caracas has long rejected.

    Washington framed the campaign as part of a broader effort to combat drug trafficking in the Caribbean. Venezuelan officials, however, said the operation was aimed at “regime change” and control over the country’s vast oil reserves — a claim Trump himself appeared to reinforce by acknowledging that securing Venezuela’s energy sector was a core objective of the military action.

    Saul said the legal implications go far beyond a single strike.

    He described the US campaign as the “culmination of a year-long campaign to destabilize Venezuela,” involving blockades, economic coercion and covert action. Under international law, he said, such measures intersect directly with the prohibition on the use of force and the principle of non-intervention.

    “The United Nations Charter prohibits the threat or use of force against other countries, including blockades – which constitute the crime of aggression,” the UN official said.

    International law, he added, also protects national sovereignty from “foreign political or economic interference and coercion, such as through unjustified unilateral sanctions or covert action.”

    Human rights law, Saul stressed, sets even clearer limits.

    “Human rights law prohibits targeted killings of civilians, and drug traffickers at sea are not combatants who can be targeted under humanitarian law, since there is no armed conflict at all – just the murder of civilians,” he said. “Abducting a head of government is also a violation of human rights law.”

    At an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council two days after the strikes, many countries — including several US allies — condemned the kidnapping operation as a “crime of aggression.”

    Saul sees a troubling pattern in how international law is enforced — or ignored. He drew a sharp contrast between Western outrage over Russia’s attack on Ukraine and the more muted response to US actions elsewhere.

    “The very concept of law requires the equal application of the most fundamental rules, not different rules for different countries,” he said.

    When powerful states exempt themselves or their allies, the UN rapporteur warned, it encourages others to do the same, leading to “survival of the fittest or law of the jungle,” and a return to “great power competition where power is the only law.”

    That erosion, Saul argued, also raises the question of individual accountability. While prosecutions of US political leaders or military commanders for the crime of aggression may appear remote, he insists that insisting on personal responsibility still matters.

    “It is important for other states to uphold international law by at least denouncing such conduct as aggression, and calling on US institutions, including Congress, to do something about it,” he stated.

    History, he added, teaches us to “never say never” when it comes to eventual justice.

    With the UN Security Council effectively “paralyzed” by the US veto, Saul said responsibility falls on other states — particularly middle powers and the Global South — to apply collective pressure.

    Diplomatic protest, reduced cooperation and even sanctions can raise the political and economic cost of violations, he stressed.

    Recent signals, including a speech this week by Canada’s prime minister Mark Carney and what Saul described as a “slow awakening” among some European leaders, suggest a tentative shift away from appeasing Trump.

    “Trump’s US only respects strength, not weakness,” he said.

    If the UN were to re-brand itself as a powerless negotiating room, it would work. The 1970s negotiations leading to Camp David were inadequate and everyone knows that. Our Congress is doing something about it, but so far this means the slow, possible passage of something in the House that is sure to be rubbished to the Senate. It would be interesting to take a few days and have the US Senate debate various panels of inquiry at the United Nations. But, it doesn't do anything interesting, it supports regimes.

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    The Duran addresses Trump's 'Board of Peace'. The UN itself is discussed in some detail, and most interestingly, Alexander Mercouris explains why Russia and Chine very likely actually want to preserve the UN system, despite all the US dominance and manipulation, simply because of their established veto rights.

    Board of Peace, Putin invite and US attempt to replace UN


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    The Duran addresses Trump's 'Board of Peace'. The UN itself is discussed in some detail, and most interestingly, Alexander Mercouris explains why Russia and Chine very likely actually want to preserve the UN system, despite all the US dominance and manipulation, simply because of their established veto rights.

    Board of Peace, Putin invite and US attempt to replace UN

    My take on this is a bit different

    No matter how the United Nations started out, it has become a tool used to promote global governance. China values the UN for two main reasons: firstly, they hold a seat on the Security Council, which grants it veto power; secondly, it has strategically influenced many UN agencies such as the World Trade Organization, World Health Organization, International Maritime Organization, and other influential institutions. China's true goal of becoming the world's strongest economic and military power by 2050 lies in its ability to use and influence the UN agencies. If you need proof, just examine the WHO's behavior during the pandemic.

    China’s curious support (it shouldn't be) for the UN is also evident in its creation of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). They have developed their own version of the World Bank, called the Shanghai Cooperation Organization Development Bank. Failing to understand China's true mission is a perilious undertaking. Last year, the SCO gained formal observer status at the United Nations. Despite official denials from China, the SCO is widely seen as a “UN wannabe”, a smaller version of the UN that seeks to expand China's influence on the global stage. Even though China denies it at every opportunity, the SCO is nothing more than a UN mini-me.

    I was surprised to hear Christoforou and Mercouris' support for the UN, but I suspect it may have been a subtle way to denigrate Trump. I firmly believe that it is wrong to accept the United Nations as it currently exists. Suggesting that the world should tolerate its failures, flaws and shortcomings is misguided.

    Also, claiming that countries are too invested in the United Nations to abandon it implies that we should accept ongoing failure. I believe we need to seriously consider reforming or replacing such a flawed institution rather than accepting its shortcomings as inevitable. Accepting occasional failure and perpetual mediocrity is wrong on every level.

    Many people tend to dismiss Trump as a serious political figure, but I believe that his is a flawed human who is delivering the correct message. For example, he has been correct on several major issues, including border security and immigration, economic policies and inflation, energy independence, criminal justice reform, and addressing the link between fentanyl and foreign trade. Trumps persuit of peace in the Middle East is undeniably the correct road to travel on to give world peace a fighting chance.

    When you take Trump out of the equation and consider the thought of a Board of Peace as an orgainzation it actually sounds appealing. Much more appealing than what the UN has become today, which is an organization more concerned about climate change than peace, more concerned about sustainability than peace and more concerned about upholding bogus international law than peace. Peace should be the driving force behind a multinational board or organization. The UN has lost its way. Trump's board of Peace might be something the world should consider. I wonder how people would feel if the suggestion came from Putin or if the idea came from Nelson Mandela? Dismissing the idea because of who or even how it originated seems shortsighted.

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    Default Re: The UN: Stick a fork in it, it's done

    rgray222 .. probably why peace initiatives in the UN fail is because of the veto powers in the Security Council. The USA, initially enthusiastically supported by the UK, has consistently blocked any attempt to end the Israeli onslaught on Gaza, to stop blocking aid for desparate people, and to hold Israel accountable for genocide. A Board of Peace run by Trump is a very bad idea, because he is Trump. I think it is magical thinking that if we could put the 'right' person in charge, it would be great.

    The problem is the veto vote in the Security Council. But it is not the only problem. An organization like that grows tentacles, one of the more bizarre limbs being the whole celebrity global ambassador programme, and becomes filled with career diplomats who may be more interested in their careers than developing practical skills to solve problems. Then there is the bribing of smaller countries by global bullies, and so on.

    This Board of Peace not only replicates the idea of a veto vote, but doubles down n it.

    To add: this organization, founded by Nelson Mandela and notably joined by Jimmy Carter may be of interest in its values and principles. The organization is still going strong ... in terms of not having given up its work.

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