Israel vs Palestine/Lebanon/Iran/Yemen/Syria: a New Middle East War

[shaberon]

There are no missing details of captives or corpses that I am aware of.

Nothing physically greatly contradicts the American version, except it wasn't near the crash site and it wasn't a rescue.

I mean there probably was a rescue covered by it, since there is no kind of pilot found by Iran.

Fake IDs for uranium techs sounds like a good guess at the evidence that has come forward.

The bases in Kuwait have been struck twice in response. It was actually created when Eagle Claw failed in 1980. Then it was the launch point for these recent antics.

Together in the response to the threat that is itself a war crime:

"The rude, arrogant, and baseless threats of the delusional US president, which stem from being trapped in a dead end and from attempts to justify the consecutive defeats of the US military, will have no effect on the continuation of the crushing offensive operations of the fighters of Islam against American and Zionist enemies," he said.

The spokesman warned that each American action would be met with a fresh defeat.

"With each of your actions, another defeat will be added to your previous defeats, by the grace of Almighty God," he said.

In his video statement, the spokesman detailed the latest wave of Iranian retaliatory strikes, which included a direct attack on a US base in Kuwait that had played a key role in a failed American-Israeli operation in Isfahan.

The US Al-Adairi Base in Kuwait was hit with missiles and drones, destroying helicopter storage facilities and US troop accommodations, the spokesman said.

The base had been used to support a US military operation in Isfahan province that ended in disaster for American forces, he said.

Probably the C-130s Hercules were intending to drop off and bug out, but they actually simply got stuck, which made enough time for some people to encounter them with small arms, who were then attacked.

Nothing Iranian suggests Basij arriving although they claim to have shot down multiple aircraft.

They are saying there is no attempt to intercept anything in the northern parts of the occupied territories.

What happens when a fascist dictator usurps a once-dignified office and illegally makes ultimatums?

[shaberon]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
Thirty-one years ago, the United States switched off GPS signals to a Chinese ship bound for Iran, leaving it stranded at sea for 24 days.

The message was clear: control navigation, control the world. Today, Iran has switched off GPS itself—and switched on China's BeiDou.

I saw something recently and wasn't sure where to post it, but it turns out to be similar to this. And, in case anyone hadn't noticed, "United States" is not in the title of this thread but it has hogged the bandwidth anyway.

And they sold about six planes to Malaysia, I don't recall which kind, but the Malaysians found a complete remote control system, such that the plane could be crashed, or used to bomb its own country.

That's bad press. Who's going to keep buying this stuff?? The missile interceptors spuzz out and the fighters are reversible.

It does one thing fairly well, strategic bombing, which has never quite been a solution to anything. And, I condemn them for it. Today is just egg on your face for seven decades of this mental disease.

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
DD Geopolitics

Crowds in Kermanshah, Iran burned another "Baal" statue.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/2041254114823409881

I have to say I'm pretty impressed with this one. The burning of Baal is really getting to the heart of the matter and HAS to hit a sore spot for the Epstein syndicate. Couple that with the trolling lego videos spreading more truth than anything we're receiving here in America, directly refuting and exposing the lies in the US/Israeli propaganda campaign, and Iran is playing a surprisingly efficient game. Trump is being out-trolled at his own game and he deserves it for starting this war in the first place. And Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir should be hanging by his short hairs for these words, "As someone who took from them (the Palestinian prisoners) their food, their yard walks, their studies, their amenities, as someone who took everything from them, I also want to take their lives. It is right. It is just."

Here's an article on Iran's viral meme/lego campaign for anyone interested,

Inside Iran’s meme factory – who is behind their viral campaign

From Lego Trump to anime-style battle scenes, Iran’s slick clips are being shared by millions. The ability to blend humour and propaganda using AI tech has surprised everyone, but Kevin L Schwartz and Olmo Gölz, experts in Iranian culture, argue that when you look at who is making it, nobody should be surprised.

https://www.independent.co.uk/indepe...-b2951116.html

[shaberon]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
It’s not as simple to just say that Trump has gone absolutely MAD…He is clearly operating in the spirit of the Antichrist.

This is very much a SPIRITUAL problem we are seeing.

It's not a "spirit". It's a prefix. It's not English. In this language, we only use "anti-" in the sense of "opposed, against", but in Greek it has a fuller meaning such as "alternate, parallel". Such as a few times there was an Anti-Pope. It didn't mean he was against the pope or had an opposing doctrine, he was a Pretender, or a person elected by some unusual means and having only a small following.

For one thing, Christianity does not use the Book of Revelation.

Christianity is the religion of Jerusalem. It says any alternative representation of Christ is anti-Christ.

A person could be Christian and pure evil without being anti-Christ.

For the public speaker under scrutiny, any use of "Jesus" or "Christ" is false.


The issue of mental incompetence is viable. Such an issue has never been raised, but, there is a Congressional Opinion on Amendment XXV sec 4, that it particularly applies in cases where "he, himself refuses to accept it".



"Demon" in the sense used attempts to translate Cacodemon, whose opposite is the Agathodaimon. That's not Christian.

Is the speaker in question living evil, yes, but this is nothing new. This is a series of war crimes called 2026.

It promises to get bigger; this kind of redundancy and inability to change is called by the Russians Stupid. It's considered more dangerous than evil, because someone merely evil may have a survival instinct and compensation mode where they can be more or less kept at bay. Some form of intelligence still has a desire to cohere. So you can reason with it.

Like the Saudis and Gulf monarchs are merely evil. They're not gifted with intelligence, but they're not Stupid. They will twist towards the best deal on survival, which is why they won't be granted a coalition at the UN to appease their piping up. Survival depends on their ability to curb the US military from infrastructure strikes.



The Greek system was totally about restraining the Kakodaimon:


"a noise-making devil"

That is the psyche of the persona. That's all it is. Fiction. Never-ending self-deluded evil.

[shaberon]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
The burning of Baal is really getting to the heart of the matter

The intent is obvious but I am not sure why they chose Baal. It's not Persian. It somehow refers to Semitic culture.


I tend to have a lot of difficulty with how some things are "demonized", which is common in Hebrew. And on this I would like to give Jesus credit because he spoke of Mammon:

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

— Matthew 6:19–21, 24 (KJV)

He didn't quite say "a being named Mammon", he was speaking Aramaic where it means "wealth" and:

No trace, however, of any Syriac god of such a name exists.

...the word is unknown in Old Testament Hebrew, but has been found in the Qumran documents.

It's not mentioned in the Old Testament, so, he may be saying something that was generally ignored in the area. It's in Syrian writings as just a noun.


I thought that phrase from the Bible would disqualify these phonies, but they must ignore it.


So, if we don't pay any attention to it, having just opinions of some later doxographers about it, it turns out this word of Jesus has a heavy focus in Arabic Maymun:

Maymun is a cognate to the Aramaic Mammon

Now you are talking about a djinn king, the only one with wings:

“Maymun of the Clouds” (ميمون السحابي "Maymun as-Sahab")

He's quite well-known:

To be possessed in the Moroccan idiom is to be literally “inhabited,” meskun, by a disembodied but gendered spirit (or jinn), one with its own character, personalize, and whims. These spirits all have different colors that correspond to them and may be said to embody different emotions as well. Sidi Hamou, for example, is a spirit in the red pantheon. He exacts blood sacrifice and is thought to be a harsh and angry master. Sidi Abdelqadr al-Jilani, a Sufi saint, is in the white pantheon; he is beatific, bestowing feelings of well-being and grace on those who trance to him. Sidi Mimoun is a black spirit who often obliges the possessed to cut themselves with knives.

Like the Daimons, this is a whole color pantheon:

The spirit possession begins with the progression of the spirits, each with its own suite of songs. Each suite of songs is associated with a color, and in each color there are spirits that come through. So are there are the white spirits, which are holy spirits. The green spirits as well. Green is the color of Islam, so these are very holy Islamic spirits. You know, the spirits themselves have religions. So there are spirits that are Muslim, and there are a few that are Jewish, but they aren't invoked very much anymore, and that's interesting in itself. There are pagan spirits. There are the red spirits, like Sidi Hamou. Sidi Hamou is the spirit of the slaughterhouse, and he's very difficult to manage, very demanding. There’s Sidi Mimoun, a black spirit. There’s Lalla Mimouna and Lalla Malika. Lalla Mira is associated with the color yellow. I smile every time I even say her name because she is a laughing, joyous spirit. She likes perfume and henna and pretty clothes, and when her music comes on and women start giggling and laughing, you know that she's making herself known. Throughout the evening, the different spirits are invoked and the different colors with them. Each spirit has a song. Each spirit has a color. Each spirit has an incense. Each spirit has something either to drink or to eat. So all the senses are involved.

"Black" in this sense refers to Saturn.

Jesus made a theological fence with this, and, implicitly, that must be valid in Islam. This is not demonization, like saying someone else's god is false, or insulting it; it's the designation of an evil attribute, Greed.

The Baal burnings get me as more of an insult to Israel, something like you don't worship who you claim to. But I think as soon as you look at Mammon then you have a common cause in Christianity and Islam. The quotes above are of course not even Sufism but heterodoxy, most of which is unacceptable to conservative clerics, nevertheless the meaning remains the same.

If the common cause was Mammon, even atheists and all kinds of people would be compelled to agree with you. Even I agree with it. Israel is silent about it.

[Szymon]

News just in. I think someone is being thrown under the bus.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Szymon (here)
News just in. I think someone is being thrown under the bus.

Hegseth won't actually be impeached, and the Democrats know that. (They don't have enough votes right now.) But of course by trying to initiate the proceedings they just want to open and publicize the debate.

And it has to be possible that Hegseth will he sacrificed by Trump himself, as anyone who may be advising him about PR (but is there anyone??!) would recommend that whatever the public — or anyone reading this! — may think or feel about Trump, Hegseth's daily rhetoric is doing him no PR favors.

[Rizotto]

Shaberon asked this question in post 12945 above:

Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
The burning of Baal is really getting to the heart of the matter

"The intent is obvious but I am not sure why they chose Baal. It's not Persian. It somehow refers to Semitic culture."

Here are the reasons why Iranians have several times mentioned Baal when referring to USA/Israel:

• The Epstein files revealed a few months ago that Jeffrey Epstein named one of his bank accounts as "Baal".
• The same files also revealed that satanic practices (often connected to a Baal-like figure in popular culture) were involved in the abuse of children trafficked by Epstein.
• Trump is implicated in the Epstein trafficking operation, and although that particular evidence is still under cover or unproven, it is used by Israelis to blackmail Trump into doing what they want.
• Iranians believe that the one reason Trump attacked Iran was because of the above Epstein/Israel blackmail. (And the Iranians are probably correct about this.)

Overall, what I gathered from Iranian PR campaigns surrounding the USA attacks on Iran, Iranians are remarkably well informed about the Epstein issues and Trump's weaknesses.

[Bill Ryan]

This may (or may not!) be an interesting development. (Embedded is a 50 minute Alex Jones video which I've NOT yet listened to)

EXCLUSIVE: Top Trump Cabinet Members, Susie Wiles, & Other Confidants of the President are Begging him to End the Iran War Now before it Derails his Fledgling Recovery & Hands the Midterms to the Democrats!

https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/2041205396451266836

Edit to add:

I've listened to the first 18 minutes. (I'm just out the door now, so I doubt I'll be able to finish it before more news overwhelms us all. )

Alex skids all over the road with this one, but the summary is that he's talked to a lot of people (and yes, he probably has), most people in the White House (including Susie Wiles) are appalled about what's happening but can't get Trump under control, Trump was assured that the 'military operation' would just last maybe four days, and he's looking for a way out but can't find one anywhere.

[thirtythree]

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Shaberon asked this question in post 12945 above:

Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
The burning of Baal is really getting to the heart of the matter

"The intent is obvious but I am not sure why they chose Baal. It's not Persian. It somehow refers to Semitic culture."

Here are the reasons why Iranians have several times mentioned Baal when referring to USA/Israel:

• The Epstein files revealed a few months ago that Jeffrey Epstein named one of his bank accounts as "Baal".
• The same files also revealed that satanic practices (often connected to a Baal-like figure in popular culture) were involved in the abuse of children trafficked by Epstein.
• Trump is implicated in the Epstein trafficking operation, and although that particular evidence is still under cover or unproven, it is used by Israelis to blackmail Trump into doing what they want.
• Iranians believe that the one reason Trump attacked Iran was because of the above Epstein/Israel blackmail. (And the Iranians are probably correct about this.)

Overall, what I gathered from Iranian PR campaigns surrounding the USA attacks on Iran, Iranians are remarkably well informed about the Epstein issues and Trump's weaknesses.

Baal means lord or Master.

For example, Israel ben Eliezer, known as the Baal Shem Tov or BeShT, was a Jewish mystic and healer regarded as the founder of Hasidic Judaism. (This is not about him)


The horned Deity that is being referred to was called Baal Moloch or just Moloch. Basically, the word Baal has become synonymous with Moloch.

[Arcturian108]

"As an Iranian who stayed connected through Starlink during the total internet blackout, I want to wholeheartedly confirm what President Trump just said:

"The Iranian people want to be free. They have lived in a world that you know NOTHING about."

For 47 years, my people have endured systematic torture, rape, murder, humiliation, anxiety, suppression, and grief under the Islamic Republic. It’s been a long, grinding suffering — punctuated by brutal spikes like the January protests, mass executions, and now war. The world has no idea of the scale or depth of these horrors. Only when this evil regime finally falls will the full truth pour out — in quality and quantity that will shock humanity.

We have now reached a point where almost no cost is too great if it rids us of this regime. Because the cost of it staying in power is infinitely higher.

If you’re reading this and you can’t understand how any Iranian could feel relief at their own country losing a war and getting bombed… I envy you. You have never lived what we have lived. You have never watched your people, friends, family, and loved ones get tortured, raped, or killed almost daily and over half a century. You have never seen an entire nation slowly but brutally suffocated like this.

We tried every alternative imaginable: massive protests, dissent, peaceful reform, negotiations — everything. None of it worked. The regime’s answer has always been bullets, gallows, and more terror.

Now, less than 24 hours before Trump’s deadline, I write this with a heavy heart from inside Iran:
Whatever happens next — if there is still an Iran left to save and this regime is gone — the Iranian people will be happy with the result. No matter the cost. Because the cost of the regime remaining is higher, and for many of us, death itself is preferable to another day under this nightmare.

This is the true sentiment of the majority of Iranians — the voice of a people who often have no internet, no platform, and no way to be heard.

The world will soon understand why we say:
Anything to be free. Anything to end this evil.

#IranMassacre‌
#IranRevolution2026‌ Original link

[Bassplayer1]

I've copied this post from an Al Jazeera breaking headline:

Trump’s latest threat to Iran: ‘A whole civilisation will die tonight’
The US President has issued yet another threat to Iran as his deadline to open the Strait of Hormuz looms.

“A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again”, he begins, in a post on his Truth Social platform.

“I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen”, he continued.

“WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!”.

[Chip]

Posted by Ravenlocke (here)
The Patriot Voice
@TPV_John
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It’s not as simple to just say that Trump has gone absolutely MAD…He is clearly operating in the spirit of the Antichrist.

This is very much a SPIRITUAL problem we are seeing.

Trump PRETENDED to be a “peacemaker” to DECEIVE the world, now he is showing his TRUE colors as a destroyer.

The Bible warns us of a FALSE “peace and security before SUDDEN DESTRUCTION”.

In NO way can you conflate threatening to “take out” the entire country of Iran in one night using nuclear weapons and being “pro-peace”. They are diametrically opposed ideas.

This is demonic deception and trickery at the highest possible level, it takes someone TRULY EVIL TO THE CORE to carry this out.

https://x.com/TPV_John/status/2041214442113823216

This is exactly the kind of deception that ancient texts warned about: righteous language on the surface, the destroyer underneath.

“For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them.” — 1 Thessalonians 5:3

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” — Matthew 7:15

And as Enoch warns: “Woe to you who act wickedly, and praise and honor false words; you are lost and have no peace.” — 1 Enoch 99:2

Calling destruction “peace” is not wisdom. It is moral inversion.

[Chip]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
"As an Iranian who stayed connected through Starlink during the total internet blackout, I want to wholeheartedly confirm what President Trump just said:

"The Iranian people want to be free. They have lived in a world that you know NOTHING about."

For 47 years, my people have endured systematic torture, rape, murder, humiliation, anxiety, suppression, and grief under the Islamic Republic. It’s been a long, grinding suffering — punctuated by brutal spikes like the January protests, mass executions, and now war. The world has no idea of the scale or depth of these horrors. Only when this evil regime finally falls will the full truth pour out — in quality and quantity that will shock humanity.

We have now reached a point where almost no cost is too great if it rids us of this regime. Because the cost of it staying in power is infinitely higher.

If you’re reading this and you can’t understand how any Iranian could feel relief at their own country losing a war and getting bombed… I envy you. You have never lived what we have lived. You have never watched your people, friends, family, and loved ones get tortured, raped, or killed almost daily and over half a century. You have never seen an entire nation slowly but brutally suffocated like this.

We tried every alternative imaginable: massive protests, dissent, peaceful reform, negotiations — everything. None of it worked. The regime’s answer has always been bullets, gallows, and more terror.

Now, less than 24 hours before Trump’s deadline, I write this with a heavy heart from inside Iran:
Whatever happens next — if there is still an Iran left to save and this regime is gone — the Iranian people will be happy with the result. No matter the cost. Because the cost of the regime remaining is higher, and for many of us, death itself is preferable to another day under this nightmare.

This is the true sentiment of the majority of Iranians — the voice of a people who often have no internet, no platform, and no way to be heard.

The world will soon understand why we say:
Anything to be free. Anything to end this evil.

#IranMassacre‌
#IranRevolution2026‌ Original link

That may be one Iranian’s honest pain speaking, and I won’t mock that. But one traumatized voice does not get to speak for 90 million people, and it sure as hell does not morally sanitize war.
I do not doubt that some Iranians feel broken enough, desperate enough, and traumatized enough to say things like this. But that still does not give anyone the right to claim they speak for “the majority of Iranians,” and it certainly does not turn bombing a nation into an act of moral purity.

Imagine America became so corrupt, violent, censored, and psychologically suffocating that millions of people were truly desperate. Imagine some on the left got so consumed by hatred of the right that they started saying, “If foreign bombs are what it takes to wipe out MAGA and finally free this country, so be it.” Or imagine some on the right got so filled with rage at the left that they said, “If destruction is what it takes to purge the globalists, the Marxists, and the traitors, then let it burn.”

Would that prove the bombing of America was moral? Of course not.

[Chip]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
This may (or may not!) be an interesting development. (Embedded is a 50 minute Alex Jones video which I've NOT yet listened to)

EXCLUSIVE: Top Trump Cabinet Members, Susie Wiles, & Other Confidants of the President are Begging him to End the Iran War Now before it Derails his Fledgling Recovery & Hands the Midterms to the Democrats!

https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/2041205396451266836

Edit to add:

I've listened to the first 18 minutes. (I'm just out the door now, so I doubt I'll be able to finish it before more news overwhelms us all. )

Alex skids all over the road with this one, but the summary is that he's talked to a lot of people (and yes, he probably has), most people in the White House (including Susie Wiles) are appalled about what's happening but can't get Trump under control, Trump was assured that the 'military operation' would just last maybe four days, and he's looking for a way out but can't find one anywhere.

This is the “pickle” I have been talking about to all of my Maga friends (the ones that still talk to me anyways) Once you posture with war, war starts making decisions for you. And by then, the peacemaker mask is gone.

For the record I am a recovering Maga (lol) former maga and voted for Trump twice now.
I’ve always considered myself conservative but I will no longer follow the red and blue hypocrisy of our system that’s designed to turn us against each other and away from the ones causing all the chaos.
I’m not even sure I will vote again as it seems more like the adult version of writing a letter to Santa Claus than anything else- but that comes with some deep resentment towards the system, so I am biased.

[sdv]

Posted by Chip (here)

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
"As an Iranian who stayed connected through Starlink during the total internet blackout, I want to wholeheartedly confirm what President Trump just said:

"The Iranian people want to be free. They have lived in a world that you know NOTHING about."

For 47 years, my people have endured systematic torture, rape, murder, humiliation, anxiety, suppression, and grief under the Islamic Republic. It’s been a long, grinding suffering — punctuated by brutal spikes like the January protests, mass executions, and now war. The world has no idea of the scale or depth of these horrors. Only when this evil regime finally falls will the full truth pour out — in quality and quantity that will shock humanity.

We have now reached a point where almost no cost is too great if it rids us of this regime. Because the cost of it staying in power is infinitely higher.

If you’re reading this and you can’t understand how any Iranian could feel relief at their own country losing a war and getting bombed… I envy you. You have never lived what we have lived. You have never watched your people, friends, family, and loved ones get tortured, raped, or killed almost daily and over half a century. You have never seen an entire nation slowly but brutally suffocated like this.

We tried every alternative imaginable: massive protests, dissent, peaceful reform, negotiations — everything. None of it worked. The regime’s answer has always been bullets, gallows, and more terror.

Now, less than 24 hours before Trump’s deadline, I write this with a heavy heart from inside Iran:
Whatever happens next — if there is still an Iran left to save and this regime is gone — the Iranian people will be happy with the result. No matter the cost. Because the cost of the regime remaining is higher, and for many of us, death itself is preferable to another day under this nightmare.

This is the true sentiment of the majority of Iranians — the voice of a people who often have no internet, no platform, and no way to be heard.

The world will soon understand why we say:
Anything to be free. Anything to end this evil.

#IranMassacre‌
#IranRevolution2026‌ Original link

That may be one Iranian’s honest pain speaking, and I won’t mock that. But one traumatized voice does not get to speak for 90 million people, and it sure as hell does not morally sanitize war.
I do not doubt that some Iranians feel broken enough, desperate enough, and traumatized enough to say things like this. But that still does not give anyone the right to claim they speak for “the majority of Iranians,” and it certainly does not turn bombing a nation into an act of moral purity.

Imagine America became so corrupt, violent, censored, and psychologically suffocating that millions of people were truly desperate. Imagine some on the left got so consumed by hatred of the right that they started saying, “If foreign bombs are what it takes to wipe out MAGA and finally free this country, so be it.” Or imagine some on the right got so filled with rage at the left that they said, “If destruction is what it takes to purge the globalists, the Marxists, and the traitors, then let it burn.”

Would that prove the bombing of America was moral? Of course not.

I have always found the thinking behind such posts bizarre, especially when they come from the US or other 'democratic' Western countries. Even in North Korea, Kim did not get 100% of a recent vote! As the above post points out, if it is justifiable to attack a country because there are people who don't like the government or leader, the US would have been destroyed a long time ago! And most countries have ex-pats who spend the rest of their lives posting bitter opposition to their country and government. Years ago I did freelance work for an Iranian professor who is that kind of ex-pat ... lovely man but is like a Cuban flourishing in Miami but calling for invasion of Cuba and endlessly smearing the government in Cuba. Kind of like a bitter ex after a divorce who just cannot 'let it go' and get on with life! Of course there is a lot to criticise about any government, and the Iranians complain about government just as in any other country. Bad government decisions affect people's daily lives, so they have a right to complain, but what kind of person asks for their country to be bombed back into the stone age?

[Raskolnikov]

Back to Baal, Belial, Moloch for a moment. I read a book called The Children of The Law of One and the Lost Teachings of Atlantis written by Jon Peniel in 1997 who recounts discovering a pre-Buddhist monastery built before the Great Pyramid. This monastery maintained many still intact scrolls from the times of Atlantis. These scrolls referred to those who abandoned their conscience and care in their lust for power and control The Sons of Belial. I know I’m taking liberties by adding this book to the conversation but when discussing ancient deities that are still apparently worshipped today I believe we have to take all accounts into consideration. It’s also interesting to note that Edgar Cayce frequently referred to “The Children of the Law of One” in many of his readings.

Here’s a passage from one of the scrolls that outlines the initial struggle between the Children and the Sons:

“Divisions began to occur between Atlanteans, over opinions and desires. The next symptom of our dis-integration was upon us, and this disease would eventually bring down Atlantis. Even in this higher state of manifestation (which we thought would keep us safe from the loss of consciousness that plagued the humanimals), some of us succumbed to the lure of material sensation. Like the drug addict would behave with an unlimited supply of drugs, we began to delve more into the indulgences of this plane until we were lost in it - drowning in it. In the frenzy of our addiction to physical sensation, we disregarded all our precautions and our wariness. Soon our thoughts and actions had collected matter from this material world that surrounded us and hardened our thought-forms making us matter-bound also. Our consciousness simultaneously slipped, and our gradual loss of consciousness of oneness gave way to that new consciousness of predominant “separateness.” The consciousness of predominant “separateness” was foreign to us, a totally new experience. And along with this new consciousness, came new emotions - some pleasurable and some painful. Strange new things like greed, envy, lust, excitement, fear, desire.

Some of us vigorously strived to maintain a semblance of our consciousness of Oneness, along with the new consciousness, and we were able to experience the emotions without being ruled by them. Such were the Children of the Law of One.

But others lost, or chose to deliberately suppress, even a glimmer of awareness of the One. These beings became lost, and enmeshed in separateness. Outside of the consciousness of Oneness, they became subject to being tossed to and fro by the tides of emotional onslaught, and ultimately became devoted to personal power and pleasure in the physical plane. These beings became known as the Sons of Belial (even if they were female).”

Posted by shaberon (here)
The Baal burnings get me as more of an insult to Israel, something like you don't worship who you claim to.

This was my feeling as well, mainly targeting Israel because Iran understands Israel is controlling Trump at this point, but also targeting everyone involved in the globalist Epstein regime which Rizotto covered here:

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Shaberon asked this question in post 12945 above:

Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
The burning of Baal is really getting to the heart of the matter

"The intent is obvious but I am not sure why they chose Baal. It's not Persian. It somehow refers to Semitic culture."

Here are the reasons why Iranians have several times mentioned Baal when referring to USA/Israel:

• The Epstein files revealed a few months ago that Jeffrey Epstein named one of his bank accounts as "Baal".
• The same files also revealed that satanic practices (often connected to a Baal-like figure in popular culture) were involved in the abuse of children trafficked by Epstein.
• Trump is implicated in the Epstein trafficking operation, and although that particular evidence is still under cover or unproven, it is used by Israelis to blackmail Trump into doing what they want.
• Iranians believe that the one reason Trump attacked Iran was because of the above Epstein/Israel blackmail. (And the Iranians are probably correct about this.)

Overall, what I gathered from Iranian PR campaigns surrounding the USA attacks on Iran, Iranians are remarkably well informed about the Epstein issues and Trump's weaknesses.

[Chip]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
Back to Baal, Belial, Moloch for a moment. I read a book called The Children of The Law of One and the Lost Teachings of Atlantis written by Jon Peniel in 1997 who recounts discovering a pre-Buddhist monastery built before the Great Pyramid. This monastery maintained many still intact scrolls from the times of Atlantis. These scrolls referred to those who abandoned their conscience and care in their lust for power and control The Sons of Belial. I know I’m taking liberties by adding this book to the conversation but when discussing ancient deities that are still apparently worshipped today I believe we have to take all accounts into consideration. It’s also interesting to note that Edgar Cayce frequently referred to “The Children of the Law of One” in many of his readings.

Here’s a passage from one of the scrolls that outlines the initial struggle between the Children and the Sons:

“Divisions began to occur between Atlanteans, over opinions and desires. The next symptom of our dis-integration was upon us, and this disease would eventually bring down Atlantis. Even is this higher state of manifestation (which we thought would keep us safe from the loss of consciousness that plagued the humanimals), some of us succumbed to the lure of material sensation. Like the drug addict would behave with an unlimited supply of drugs, we began to delve more into the indulgences of this plane until we were lost in it - drowning in it. In the frenzy of our addiction to physical sensation, we disregarded all our precautions and and wariness. Soon our thoughts and actions had collected matter from this material world that surrounded us and hardened our thought-forms making us matter-bound also. Our consciousness simultaneously slipped, and our gradual loss of consciousness of oneness gave way to that new consciousness of predominant “separateness.” The consciousness of predominant “separateness” was foreign to us, a totally new experience. And along with this new consciousness, came new emotions - some pleasurable and some painful. Strange new things like greed, envy, lust, excitement, fear, desire.

Some of us vigorously strived to maintain a semblance of our consciousness of Oneness, along with the new consciousness, and we were able to experience the emotions without being ruled by them. Such were the Children of the Law of One.

But others lost, or chose to deliberately suppress, even a glimmer of awareness of the One. These beings became lost, and enmeshed in separateness. Outside of the consciousness of Oneness, they became subject to being tossed to and fro by the tides of emotional onslaught, and ultimately became devoted to personal power and pleasure in the physical plane. These beings became known as the Sons of Belial (even if they were female).”

Posted by shaberon (here)
The Baal burnings get me as more of an insult to Israel, something like you don't worship who you claim to.

This was my feeling as well, mainly targeting Israel because Iran understands Israel is controlling Trump at this point, but also targeting everyone involved in the globalist Epstein regime which Rizotto covered here:

Posted by Rizotto (here)
Shaberon asked this question in post 12945 above:

Quote Posted by Raskolnikov (here)
The burning of Baal is really getting to the heart of the matter

"The intent is obvious but I am not sure why they chose Baal. It's not Persian. It somehow refers to Semitic culture."

Here are the reasons why Iranians have several times mentioned Baal when referring to USA/Israel:

• The Epstein files revealed a few months ago that Jeffrey Epstein named one of his bank accounts as "Baal".
• The same files also revealed that satanic practices (often connected to a Baal-like figure in popular culture) were involved in the abuse of children trafficked by Epstein.
• Trump is implicated in the Epstein trafficking operation, and although that particular evidence is still under cover or unproven, it is used by Israelis to blackmail Trump into doing what they want.
• Iranians believe that the one reason Trump attacked Iran was because of the above Epstein/Israel blackmail. (And the Iranians are probably correct about this.)

Overall, what I gathered from Iranian PR campaigns surrounding the USA attacks on Iran, Iranians are remarkably well informed about the Epstein issues and Trump's weaknesses.

This was an excellent addition to the thread and very much in line with how I’ve been seeing it. Ancient names may change form, but the pattern remains: when men abandon conscience for power, appetite, domination, and control, the old gods are effectively still with us. Jung’s line comes to mind: “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” That, to me, is exactly what this conversation is trying to do. Thank you.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Chip (here)
I’m not even sure I will vote again as it seems more like the adult version of writing a letter to Santa Claus than anything else

Writing a letter to Santa Claus might be preferable to writing a letter to Baal.

[shaberon]

Posted by thirtythree (here)
Baal means lord or Master.

For example, Israel ben Eliezer, known as the Baal Shem Tov or BeShT, was a Jewish mystic and healer regarded as the founder of Hasidic Judaism. (This is not about him)


The horned Deity that is being referred to was called Baal Moloch or just Moloch. Basically, the word Baal has become synonymous with Moloch.

These become conflations. There is no "Baal". It is always "Baal Hadad", or "Baal Ekron", or "Baal Zaphon", or "Baal Berith", and I am not aware of a Baal Moloch. Melech, Malek, or MLK is simply "king" and also usually designates a class. It's not a figure in any ancient Semitic lore.

A lot of what is out there is Hebrew smears, like "Baal Zebul" is an insult saying "your lord decays, is covered with flies". Yhwh is an ingestion of Baalberith. Berith is a covenant. Which one? All of them. Covenants are treaties. Ancient Semitic treaties were witnessed by multiple Baals and Sun and Moon deities. Hebrew re-fashions it to an imaginary event on Mt. Sinai.

I was not aware there was an Epstein account simply called "Baal". That explains it.