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    Quote Posted by Bruce G Charlton (here)
    I think the (amazing!) apparent complete indifference and complacency of UK and Western Europe and the US media and officialdom about this problem of famine; suggests that it is being deliberately allowed to develop to the point of panic and suffering - with the government intent upon using the resulting situation for political purposes related to the top-down imposed surveillance/ control agenda.
    Most of the crops are unsustainable without all the biochemical package. Lands are dead and sterile. You could dig and dig without seing a simple worm... An alternative to chemical could have been seaweeds. But interestingly, the existing farms ( there where a lot in south america) have been closed and it’s impossible to obtain a licence in France or Europe. I believe that only Indonesia has developped the farming for fertilizing purpose.

    I have suggested to a Farmer friend of mine to grow a lot of comfrey to make his own liquide manure. It grows fast, its roots can plunge 1meter beneath to search for minerals and you can harvest it 3 times a year. It’s really a gift of nature and bees love it too.
    As things go on, I think that solutions will be tested, ancient knowledge, maybe coupled with news researchs will bring for some at least a mean to be resilient.

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    Copying grapevine's post here on the Israel vs everyine thread:

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    Financial Crash Expert: In 3 months We’ll Enter A Famine! If Iran Doesn’t Surrender It's The End!

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    "Professor Steve Keen is the world's first rebel economist to predict the 2008 financial crisis years before it happened, based on his proprietary data software, Ravel©. He has spent over 30 years as an academic, and is currently a visiting scholar at the University of Amsterdam.

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    07:46 Why Israel Might See Iran As An Existential Threat
    12:46 The Strait Of Hormuz—And What Happens If It Closes
    16:40 Where Fertilizer Comes From—And What A Shortage Would Trigger
    18:27 Why Oil Still Controls Everything—And The Cost Of Running Out
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    I have somewhere a pre-covid image of Martin Armstrong’s ECM showing a period of famine and shortages for 2027/28.
    So amazing that a IA could forecast something like that long long time before any kind of war could really happen !

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    This is now doubled down in the face of the recent "threat" and "ceasefire".

    But first of all unfortunately this:

    is spurious.

    It's like Protocols of the Elders of Zion, somewhat true in character, but not in fact.


    Now in the sense that Famine is largely the other side of Oil, this oil cartel Fascism was begun by Rockefeller in conjunction with Fiat and Italian National Oil around 1900.

    At this point, it is threatening another country's oil resources, the known response to which is then multiple other countries' oil resources will get knackered. This would be a huge step beyond the ebb we've seen so far.

    There is only one person whose choice would lead to that outcome.

    And so to continue would be either intentional depopulation, or, callously indifferent depopulation.

    Neither one of those qualifies as a sane choice. And for the first time in history we have seen officials publicly say that such a person should be removed from office on grounds of sanity.


    The potential motive is that if it does depopulate third world countries, then big American companies can go seize the assets and dollarize the economy.

    Without any further step, the burden has already gone to American farmers about the same as anyone else. At least many of them are not expecting to make a profit. Besides fertilizer, the cost of tractors and so forth has gone up. At best, there are unhappy consequences they can't possibly admire on a political level.

    When you look at the situation, Iran never asked for a cease-fire.

    And so while the United States did not "surrender" as claimed, the fact that it made such a proposal says it does not want to be under fire.


    Right now, that really major factor is on the brink. We can't control it to not happen, yet even if it does not, things are already grim.

    The only kind of saving grace is that China and Russia refuse any Resolution that does not address the United States and Israel as the root cause.

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    Bumping this thread with a new report from Lifesite News. 'Famine' is a very emotionally charged word, but many news platforms are now discussing the probability of serious problems with food and fertilizer supply.
    War against Iran could lead to the worst global food crisis since the 70s

    The U.S.-Israeli war against Iran is choking fertilizer supplies via the Strait of Hormuz blockade, threatening increased farmer losses and spikes in food prices as high as 20%-30%.

    Though currently under a fragile, extended ceasefire, the U.S.-Israeli war against Iran, with respective blockades of the Strait of Hormuz disrupting oil flows, another crisis looms that also threatens the world’s dinner plates.

    A recent analysis warns that the current military campaign is choking fertilizer supplies through the Strait of Hormuz, potentially triggering the worst food crisis since the 1970s energy crisis.

    Tibi Puiu, a science journalist for ZME Science, explained in a March 31 essay how modern farming depends on nitrogen fertilizers produced using natural gas, and nearly one-third of the world’s fertilizer trade passes through the Strait of Hormuz.

    Qatar alone supplies 15% of global urea production and controls about 50% of internationally traded urea, a vital nitrogen fertilizer. With shipping remaining restricted due to forces from both sides of the conflict, the critical shipments have largely halted.

    The ripple effects have been immediate, with fertilizer plants in India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan shutting down or slowing their production due to the reliance on imported natural gas from the Gulf.

    Urea prices have naturally surged roughly 50%, ammonia by 20%, and diesel — essential for farm machinery and transport — by 60%.

    “The potential is there for this to develop into a major crisis for poor and hungry people,” Matin Qaim of the University of Bonn told New Scientist.

    ‘It’s inevitable that food prices will go up,’ perhaps by 20%-30%

    Spring planting in the Northern Hemisphere is underway at the worst possible moment. U.S. farmers, already facing grim economics, are hit hardest. The country imports about half its urea consumption and 25% of total fertilizer needs, according to the American Farm Bureau.

    Independent analyst Philip Coffin warned, “With crop economics as bad as they are right now, it doesn’t take much to destroy (a farmer’s) income statement.”

    Soybean growers were losing $138 per acre and corn farmers $230 per acre even before the latest spikes, with agricultural bankruptcies surging by 46% in 2025.

    Summing up the converging factors, Puiu wrote, “Now, with input costs skyrocketing, farmers face an impossible choice: plant at a massive loss, switch to less nutrient-intensive crops, or plant nothing at all.”

    Fertilizer specialist Deepika Thapliyal stated bluntly, “It’s inevitable that food prices will go up,” and Qaim projects that doubled fertilizer prices could push food costs 20%-30% higher.

    These dynamics differ sharply from the 2022 Russia-Ukraine war that disrupted grain exports, but the Iran conflict strikes at the inputs needed to grow crops anywhere.

    Due to these bottlenecks in the Middle East, Russia and Belarus have gained greater leverage as dominant exporters, and China has restricted its own fertilizer shipments to protect domestic supplies.

    For its part, the Trump administration has eased pressure by loosening sanctions on Belarusian and Venezuelan fertilizer, but as explained by Puiu, “Venezuela’s neglected infrastructure makes rapid production impossible.”

    Europe ‘burning about 15 million loaves of bread every day for biofuels’

    According to the scientific journalist, who has a master’s degree in renewable energy systems, these dangers of the crisis are compounded by wealthy nations diverting food to produce food.

    More than 5% of all food calories grown globally are transformed into biofuels to power vehicles,” Puiu wrote. “In the United States, roughly one-third of the entire corn crop becomes bioethanol.”

    “If fertilizer is scarce, shouldn’t we prioritize every calorie we grow to feed human beings?” he asked.

    “We’re burning about 15 million loaves of bread in Europe every day for biofuels,” illustrated Paul Behrens at the University of Oxford. “This is a crazy way to produce energy.”

    “Instead of releasing this food into the market to stabilize grocery bills, governments are moving in the exact opposite direction,” Puiu lamented. “The U.S. and Australia are pushing to increase the proportion of bioethanol in gasoline, hoping to bring down the cost of driving.”

    “However, burning more food into fuel barely dents the price of gas, and has a disproportionate effect on the grocery store,” he said.

    History shows food price spikes fuel instability, revolution

    Weather uncertainties can also be a threat multiplier should it impact crop yields in the coming year.

    “There’s a lot of potential for this to spin out of control and lead to a just as severe, if not a worse, crisis,” said Jennifer Clapp at the University of Waterloo. “If we have major climate events, it could definitely spiral into something much more severe.”

    Anthony Ryan of the University of Sheffield underscored the stakes: “If we stopped using mineral fertilizer completely worldwide, we would probably see half of the world starving.”

    History shows food price spikes fuel instability — from the French Revolution to the 1848 European upheavals and unrest linked to 1990-2011 price surges. Experts stress the crisis is not inevitable but requires swift action to reopen supply lines.

    As the Gulf conflict persists, the real battleground may shift to the world’s farmland. Without rapid diplomatic or logistical solutions, 1970s-style food shocks risk becoming a harsh reality, driving higher grocery bills and deepening hunger, especially in the Global South.

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    Default Re: The Possibility of Famine

    Widespread famine in Africa is not necessarily going to be the result of the illegal war on Iran disrupting the supply of fertilizers.

    Quote Smallholder subsistence farming is the most common type of agriculture in Africa, characterized by small, rain-fed plots focusing on staple crops and minimal mechanization. These farms often utilize manual labor, such as hoes and machetes, to grow crops like maize, cassava, sorghum, and millet, often mixing crops for risk management.

    Key Aspects of African Farming:
    Smallholder Subsistence: The majority of farms are small, family-operated, and focused on self-sufficiency, often using traditional, low-intensity methods.
    Rain-fed Agriculture: Most farming depends on natural rainfall rather than irrigation.
    Mixed Farming and Intercropping: Many farmers grow multiple crops together on the same land to manage risks.
    Major Crops: Maize is the most widely produced, followed by cassava, yams, rice, and sorghum.
    Cash Crops: While subsistence farming dominates, significant cash crops include cocoa, coffee, tea, cotton, and tobacco.
    Livestock Integration: Raising cattle, goats, and poultry is common alongside crop production.
    Regional Variations: While subsistence is common in Sub-Saharan Africa, commercial farming thrives in regions like South Africa and parts of North Africa, which are more modernized.

    While subsistence dominates, commercial farming (including tea, coffee, and flowers) is prevalent in some areas, and factory farming is increasing in some regions to meet rising meat demand.
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    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Widespread famine in Africa is not necessarily going to be the result of the illegal war on Iran disrupting the supply of fertilizers.

    Quote Smallholder subsistence farming is the most common type of agriculture in Africa, characterized by small, rain-fed plots focusing on staple crops and minimal mechanization. These farms often utilize manual labor, such as hoes and machetes, to grow crops like maize, cassava, sorghum, and millet, often mixing crops for risk management.

    Key Aspects of African Farming:
    Smallholder Subsistence: The majority of farms are small, family-operated, and focused on self-sufficiency, often using traditional, low-intensity methods.
    Rain-fed Agriculture: Most farming depends on natural rainfall rather than irrigation.
    Mixed Farming and Intercropping: Many farmers grow multiple crops together on the same land to manage risks.
    Major Crops: Maize is the most widely produced, followed by cassava, yams, rice, and sorghum.
    Cash Crops: While subsistence farming dominates, significant cash crops include cocoa, coffee, tea, cotton, and tobacco.
    Livestock Integration: Raising cattle, goats, and poultry is common alongside crop production.
    Regional Variations: While subsistence is common in Sub-Saharan Africa, commercial farming thrives in regions like South Africa and parts of North Africa, which are more modernized.

    While subsistence dominates, commercial farming (including tea, coffee, and flowers) is prevalent in some areas, and factory farming is increasing in some regions to meet rising meat demand.
    Many thanks — yes, I've been wondering the same thing about South America. Here in Ecuador there are very few large 'Big Ag' enterprises, and much agricultural production is on a local fairly small scale.

    Fertilizer is mostly simply chicken poop, which is distributed free of charge to small farmers by the government. (And the soil is so rich and moist that it's almost impossible to stop things growing! The constant rapid overgrowth in my extremely wild garden is almost impossible to keep under control. )

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    Default Re: The Possibility of Famine

    My friend back when, had an organic farm. Said that horse poop was best, better than cow poop for a natural fertilizer on crops. Anybody know how chicken poop rates against that?

    Cool to hear that Equador does that, Bill. Seems very civilized.

    And thank you sdv for your testimony.

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    Default Re: The Possibility of Famine

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Widespread famine in Africa is not necessarily going to be the result of the illegal war on Iran disrupting the supply of fertilizers.

    Quote Smallholder subsistence farming is the most common type of agriculture in Africa, characterized by small, rain-fed plots focusing on staple crops and minimal mechanization. These farms often utilize manual labor, such as hoes and machetes, to grow crops like maize, cassava, sorghum, and millet, often mixing crops for risk management.

    Key Aspects of African Farming:
    Smallholder Subsistence: The majority of farms are small, family-operated, and focused on self-sufficiency, often using traditional, low-intensity methods.
    Rain-fed Agriculture: Most farming depends on natural rainfall rather than irrigation.
    Mixed Farming and Intercropping: Many farmers grow multiple crops together on the same land to manage risks.
    Major Crops: Maize is the most widely produced, followed by cassava, yams, rice, and sorghum.
    Cash Crops: While subsistence farming dominates, significant cash crops include cocoa, coffee, tea, cotton, and tobacco.
    Livestock Integration: Raising cattle, goats, and poultry is common alongside crop production.
    Regional Variations: While subsistence is common in Sub-Saharan Africa, commercial farming thrives in regions like South Africa and parts of North Africa, which are more modernized.

    While subsistence dominates, commercial farming (including tea, coffee, and flowers) is prevalent in some areas, and factory farming is increasing in some regions to meet rising meat demand.
    Many thanks — yes, I've been wondering the same thing about South America. Here in Ecuador there are very few large 'Big Ag' enterprises, and much agricultural production is on a local fairly small scale.

    Fertilizer is mostly simply chicken poop, which is distributed free of charge to small farmers by the government. (And the soil is so rich and moist that it's almost impossible to stop things growing! The constant rapid overgrowth in my extremely wild garden is almost impossible to keep under control. )
    The first time I was in China, our American and European friends (mostly embassy staff) would not "allow" us to eat in local Chinese restaurants, nor would they buy produce for cooking at home from local stands and stores. Their food was purchased almost exclusively through the embassy commissary. This also held true for certain parts of Africa. The reason was that using human feces as fertilizer was common in both parts of the world. While we are told that this practice is decreasing, I believe that it is likely true, but it still remains much more prevalent than official reports suggest.

    I believe there is some real concern about a fertilizer shortage caused by the war. I also think the media is exaggerating the problem on purpose, because without a crisis, they cease to exist. They are like junkies always in need of a bigger strong crisis fix.

    AI Info

    Untreated human feces are still used as fertilizer in parts of both Africa and China, though the practice is declining and carries significant health risks.


    China
    • The traditional use of raw human waste, or "night soil," persists in rural areas, despite government efforts to improve sanitation.
    • A 2015 study found that approximately half of the households in a rural Chinese study applied human waste to their crops, and the practice was linked to the transmission of parasitic diseases like schistosomiasis.
    • While access to improved sanitation is increasing, a significant portion of the night soil applied still comes from unimproved sources, posing a continued public health concern.
    Africa
    • The use of untreated human feces is reported in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa, often driven by the need for affordable fertilizer and inadequate sewage infrastructure.
    • A 2022 survey of farmers in Ghana found that 87% considered human excreta a health risk, indicating that while awareness of the dangers is high, the practice may still occur, particularly in areas with limited alternatives.
    • Many countries are promoting the use of treated human waste through ecological sanitation projects to improve soil fertility safely.

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    Default Re: The Possibility of Famine

    The United States is the largest food manufacturer and agricultural type of food supplier in the world and if our economy collapses and/or if this country is destroyed, 100's of millions, if not a billion or two people will quickly starve to death. So, those that wish or want the United States to be destroyed are actually wishing an EXTREME depopulation event to happen on this planet, whether they actually know it or not.

    What's happening now (a major disruption of the worlds oil supply) will surely bring famine to several peoples, mostly the poorest places on Earth in my opinion, but the collapse of the United States economy would be catastrophic and much worse.

    Regardless, depopulation (one way or another) is the evil plan of the demonic globalists, they don't even hide this fact anymore....
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    I understand the human fertiliser risks refer only to meat-eaters and that vegetarian poop is not considered to be toxic. I've also been making enquiries about duck weed (which there is more information about on the food thread), which is highly nutritious: (amino acids, zinc, some vitamins A&B), doubles every 24-48 hours and can be harvested continually, although it lacks protein and some other nutrients. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a food grade supply available atm, but of course this might change if the going gets tough.

    There was a comment under one of the David Icke videos on You Tube recently which intrigued me greatly although of course only hearsay:
    "China is about to announce it possesses new energy technologies that make petroleum obsolete, making the Anglo-American anti-Chinese war strategy completely irrelevant and pointless. China is playing along while the West exhausts itself and depletes all its military assets and bankrupts itself into debt oblivion. China will not invade Taiwan. Completely unnecessary".
    Link to relevant DI vid:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEhNZLDynjA
    If true, then China will definitely be calling the NWO shots and while on the subject, I gather that all the BRICS countries currently have digital id systems, although some are still transitioning.

    Question is: Would China let the West starve? The West didn't help them much (1959-61) when 30-40m Chinese starved.
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    My family has used only compost as a fertilizer, with no use or need for out side ferts.

    What needs to be understood is the fact that oil is being over priced on purpose, so that nobody will be able to afford delivery of it, and nobody will be able to afford going far distances to pick up what they need to eat.

    Farmers have grown crops without all the current chemicals available in my life time,does any one else remember that?

    Once farmers started using the new manufactured chemicals and ferts , and weed killers, they were able to make way more money than before, per acre.

    The vast majority of farmers right now, know the chems they use today, are toxic. The excuse they give is always the same old story of losing more money.

    Just tht facts folks.

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    Quote Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
    My friend back when, had an organic farm. Said that horse poop was best, better than cow poop for a natural fertilizer on crops. Anybody know how chicken poop rates against that?

    It's a matter of scale.

    We're generally not talking about organics; "fertilizer" is an industrial product from the 1890s. Necessary for a large population, not necessarily the best thing in the long run under any circumstances. They have to have it because the soil is depleted. Idaho potatoes are grown in an ash-like powder. They grow only due to whatever is added to it.

    So, for an individual, it's easy to shovel manure. You can't scrape up chicken droppings. However, they are easily obtained from chicken houses, which, in the mechanized sense, makes it more abundant. On the ground, it is a major source of parasites. Aside from that, it, at least, "works".

    All of those have to "burn", you can't put it in the ground, you have to compost it. In this sense, rabbit and goat pellets are superior, can be used immediately.

    There is no permanent escape from subsistence farming. Organics probably could feed a "large world", if 90% of them would commit to subsistence farming. Of course in 1890 we thought chemicals could fix everything with no consequences. Fertilizer and the rest soon demolished American subsistence farming. Now, organics are certainly grown for profit.

    The corn subsidy and ethanol are not such bright ideas either.

    So, yes, the status quo is going to have unpredictable effects, and, if it takes another serious beating, you are on the doorstep of calamity.

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    Speaking to farmers on a near daily basis I often ask them (probing) questions in the guise of learning. And I do learn!

    They no longer have an option, in the Euro-zone at least - it is written into farming legislation, they have to use nitrogen fertilizers, they have to use chemical sprays to control wild growth. Many of them are not happy with it, but protest - what can they do? I see their point.

    Raw manure (freshly dropped) really is no good as manure. It needs to be collected and piled, where it gains warmth just like your own compost bins in the back garden. This allows the 'good' bacteria to overcome the negative crap that exists in fresh droppings.

    In short, the gathered manure needs to stay piled for at least year before it will be beneficial to soils. Chicken manure is probably number one, closely followed by horse and lastly the bovine*. This was fine in the old crop rotation system, however that has been consigned to the past - not to say it could not be returned to.

    As an aside, as we should all be able to understand, spraying weeds with chemical killers merely strengthens the resilience of weeds but in the meantime, PROBABLY, kills all microbes that exist in the soil and damages fresh seed growth the farmer is planting.

    NB: * There is an exception to this in already live soils, IE; microbe populations are still relatively healthy, Joel Salatin's method of having mobile chicken runs following herd movements from pasture to pasture. The chickens dig through the fresh manure scattering it around, subsequent rainfall allow these broken chunks of manure to break down even further and leech into the soil where it feeds the microbiome of the ground leading to stronger, healthier soil.

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    Joel Salatin: The Pioneer & His Philosophy

    Joel Salatin isn’t your typical farmer. Often called the “high priest of pasture” or the “lunatic farmer,” he’s a visionary thinker, author, and passionate advocate for a completely different way of producing food.

    His family farm, Polyface (“many faces”), serves as his living laboratory. His core mission? Healing the Land. Salatin believes farming shouldn’t deplete resources; it should actively make the land healthier, more fertile, and more biodiverse over time.

    He pushes “Beyond Organic,” arguing that even certified organic standards often fall short of truly mimicking natural processes and building deep soil health. Instead, he champions farming that works “Mimicking Nature.”

    His philosophy rests on key principles:

    Holistic Management: Viewing the farm as a whole, interconnected system – soil, plants, animals, water, and people.

    Symbiotic Relationships: Creating partnerships where different species help each other. Chickens follow cows, for instance, eating parasites and spreading manure.

    Animal Welfare: Giving animals the freedom to express their natural instincts – chickens scratch, pigs root, cows graze – leading to healthier, less stressed animals.

    Profitability through Stewardship: Proving that caring for the land deeply isn’t just good ethics; it’s good economics. Healthy land produces more nutritious food more efficiently in the long run.

    Salatin is a fierce critic of industrial agriculture, which he sees as destructive and dependent on chemicals and monocultures. He also critiques large-scale, input-substitution “organic” farming, which often replaces synthetic chemicals with approved organic ones but still relies on similar monoculture models.
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    Signature Salatin Regenerative Practices & Systems

    Salatin’s genius lies in designing practical systems that put his philosophy into action:

    Mob Grazing (Rational Grazing): Forget cows wandering vast, sparse pastures. Salatin uses high-density, short-duration grazing. Large herds are bunched tightly together (like wild buffalo herds) and moved frequently – often daily or multiple times a day.

    This mimics natural herd behavior: animals eat the best plants, trample the rest (creating mulch), and deposit concentrated manure. The key? Long rest periods (often 60-90+ days) allowing plants to recover deeply and build robust root systems. Polyface reports doubling or even tripling typical pasture productivity using this method.
    Read More: The Science of Desert Regenerative Agriculture

    Pastured Poultry Systems: This is where Salatin’s innovation shines brightest. The “Eggmobile” is a mobile chicken coop moved daily after the cows have grazed a section. The hens eagerly scratch through the cow patties, eating fly larvae (controlling pests naturally), spreading the manure (acting as feathered composters), and fertilizing the field with their own droppings.

    “Chicken Tractors” are floorless, mobile pens for meat birds, moved daily onto fresh pasture or recently grazed areas, providing fresh forage and insects while fertilizing the land.

    Polyface processes tens of thousands of pastured broilers and layers annually using these systems.

    Ruminant-Based Systems: Cattle are the primary landscape managers at Polyface. Their grazing, trampling, and manure deposition kickstart the entire biological cycle. Their impact builds soil organic matter and stimulates plant growth. Salatin sees well-managed ruminants as essential tools for rebuilding grassland ecosystems.

    The “Pigerator” Model: In wooded areas, Salatin deploys pigs in portable electric fencing. These “pigerators” root up the soil, clearing brush, incorporating organic matter, tilling without machines, and preparing areas for future planting or pasture. Their natural behavior improves soil structure and fertility in otherwise hard-to-manage spaces.

    Perennial Polycultures & Biodiversity: Forget monoculture grass! Salatin plants diverse pastures with many types of grasses, legumes (like clover for nitrogen fixation), and forbs (broadleaf plants). Hedgerows, trees, and shrubs are incorporated, creating habitat for beneficial insects and birds. This biodiversity creates resilience against pests, diseases, and drought.

    Closed-Loop Nutrient Cycling: The goal is minimal external inputs. Fertility comes from within: animal manure, plant residues, and the constant biological activity stimulated by managed grazing and animal impact. Feed is primarily grown on the farm (grass, hay, some non-GMO grains), minimizing reliance on purchased inputs.

    Soil Health as the Foundation

    For Salatin, everything starts and ends with the soil. His practices are meticulously designed to:

    Build Soil Biology: Mob grazing, animal impact, and diverse plant roots feed a thriving ecosystem of bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and earthworms. This “livestock underground” is the real workforce, breaking down organic matter and making nutrients available to plants.

    Studies on well-managed grazing lands show significantly higher microbial biomass and activity compared to conventional cropland or continuously grazed pastures.

    Minimize Disturbance: Chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and tillage (plowing) are avoided. Instead, animal impact provides the necessary “disturbance”: hooves gently aerate the soil, while chickens and pigs lightly scratch and root. This preserves soil structure and fungal networks.

    Increase Soil Organic Matter (SOM): This is the holy grail. SOM improves water retention (each 1% increase can hold an additional 20,000+ gallons of water per acre), nutrient availability, and soil structure. Salatin’s systems consistently build SOM.

    While rates vary, well-managed regenerative grazing systems have demonstrated the potential to sequester 1-3 tons of carbon per acre annually and significantly increase SOM over 5-10 years. This sequesters carbon from the atmosphere, combating climate change.
    Distinguishing Salatin’s Approach: Key Differences

    Salatin’s model stands out within the broader regenerative movement:

    Animal-Centric Focus: While many regenerative models focus on cover cropping, no-till cropping, or agroforestry, Salatin places animals as the essential engine.

    Ruminants, poultry, and pigs aren’t just products; they are the primary tools for soil building, fertility cycling, pest control, and landscape management. Healing requires herbivores mimicking their natural roles.

    Emphasis on Managed Chaos & Observation: Forget rigid spreadsheets. Salatin champions constant observation and flexibility. He “pulses” herds based on daily conditions – grass growth, moisture, animal behavior – not a fixed calendar.

    This “managed chaos” aims to truly replicate nature’s complex, unpredictable patterns, requiring deep farmer engagement.

    Radical Decentralization & Anti-Certification: While many pursue certifications (Regenerative Organic, etc.), Salatin vehemently rejects them all (including USDA Organic).

    He argues certifications create bureaucracy, stifle innovation, and don’t guarantee integrity or true soil health. Instead, he champions “Relationship Marketing”: direct sales to consumers, farm transparency (visitors welcome!), and personal farmer accountability as the true marks of quality.

    Specific System Designs: Salatin’s trademarked synergistic stacking is unique. The specific sequence – cattle graze, followed by eggmobiles or chicken tractors, then sometimes rabbits in portable pens, and pigs in specific areas – creates a highly efficient, multi-layered fertility and production cycle.

    Holistic Profitability & Scalability View: Salatin demonstrates highly diversified, stacked enterprises on smaller acreage (Polyface operates on about 550 acres, much of it forested).

    He proves small-scale farms can be ecologically sound and economically viable through direct marketing and enterprise stacking (eggs, meat, rabbits, forestry products), challenging the industrial agriculture mantra that “get big or get out” is the only profitable path. Polyface supports multiple families directly.
    Salatin’s Regenerative Business & Community Model

    Salatin’s revolution extends beyond the fence line:

    “Relationship Marketing”: Polyface sells almost exclusively direct to consumers (on-farm store, metro buying clubs, restaurants). This builds trust, ensures fair prices, and educates eaters. Transparency is key – customers see how their food is raised.

    Local Food Systems Advocacy: Salatin sees the farm as a community hub, reconnecting people with their food source and fostering local resilience. He’s a vocal critic of globalized, anonymous food systems.
    Read More: Essential Resources for Scaling Regenerative Agriculture

    Stacking Enterprises: By layering multiple enterprises (beef, pork, chicken, eggs, turkey, rabbits, forestry, leased hunting), Polyface creates economic resilience. When one market dips, others sustain the farm.

    “You Can Farm” Mentality: Through his books (like “You Can Farm” and “Folks, This Ain’t Normal”) and speaking, Salatin passionately advocates that small-scale, ecological farming is a viable, honorable, and necessary career path. He empowers aspiring farmers.
    Impact & Influence of Salatin’s Approach

    Salatin’s impact is profound:

    Inspiration for the Modern Regen Movement: He was championing regenerative principles decades before it became a buzzword. His practical demonstrations and compelling message inspired countless farmers globally.

    Educational Role: His dozens of books and relentless speaking tours (hundreds of talks given) spread his message far beyond Polyface. The Polyface internship program has trained hundreds of aspiring farmers in his methods since its inception.

    Demonstration Effect: Polyface attracts thousands of visitors annually – farmers, students, journalists, policymakers – proving his model works on a commercially viable scale. It’s a living classroom.

    Controversies & Criticisms: Salatin isn’t without critics. Some question the scalability of his labor-intensive model beyond direct-marketed niches. Others debate the practicality for all terrains or the sheer physical labor required.

    His staunch anti-certification stance is frequently debated within the broader organic and regenerative communities who see value in verification for consumers.

    Salatin counters that scalability is about replicating the model on many small farms, not making one farm huge, and that true accountability comes through direct relationships, not paperwork.
    Implementing Salatin-Inspired Regenerative Farming

    You don’t need to clone Polyface! Salatin urges adaptation:

    Adapt Principles, Not Prescriptions: Understand the core philosophy – mimic nature, build soil, use animals as tools, foster symbiosis. Apply these to your land, climate, and resources.

    Key Starting Points:

    Observe: Spend time understanding your land’s natural cycles.
    Manage What You Have: Start improving existing pastures or woodlots with managed grazing or animal impact before major changes.
    Start Small: Add one enterprise at a time (e.g., start with chicken tractors on a small scale).
    Prioritize Soil Health: Every decision should ask: “Does this build soil?”

    Resources: Dive into Salatin’s books (“Salad Bar Beef,” “Pastured Poultry Profits,” etc.), Polyface’s website (blog, resources), and seek out farms using similar principles.

    Conclusion

    Joel Salatin pioneers regenerative farming by using animals to mimic nature, building profound soil health as the foundation. His distinct, animal-centric systems prove profitable stewardship is possible through direct relationships, not certifications. Salatin empowers farmers with a viable alternative to the industrial model, centered on ecological healing. Ultimately, his legacy shows farming can actively restore land, communities, and food integrity.


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    Quote Posted by grapevine (here)
    Question is: Would China let the West starve? The West didn't help them much (1959-61) when 30-40m Chinese starved.
    There are some noteworthy things about Chairman Mao's Great Famine. Without going into a long explanation, it was intentional, and the new radical agriculture policies did not work. The Chinese government refused all foreign food aid offers, including those from the United States and Japan, to avoid appearing weak during the Cold War. The International Red Cross offer was also rejected. While no aid was sent to mainland China, the USA did provide food for about half a million refugees who had fled to Hong Kong. It is well documented that while people were being starved to death, China was still exporting food.

    In 1960, Australia and Canada signed a trade agreement with Mao and began exporting huge quantities of grain. This was the beginning of the End of Mao's Great Leap Forward.

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    Copying this post by Rizotto on the Trump's Presidency thread.

    My own comment: the more the critical situation in the Middle Easy continues to disrupt oil and fertilizer supplies, the more likely it seems to me that this whole situation has somehow been deliberately ignited to create severe global food shortages, and maybe even famine (or something close to it) in some areas.

    I posted above how I was told back in 2010 that this was exactly the plan for the world, though at that time I found it very hard to believe.

    If this really is all orchestrated, I can't see the mechanism — though I'm guessing it would have to be some kind of high-level control over what Trump and/or Netanyahu have decided, despite many others (e.g. in Trump's cabinet) doing their best to warn that a war against Iran would end in exactly this kid of global disaster.

    Rizotto below says exactly the same thing in a shorter sentence. (And I fear she may be right )

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    Personally, I think the cabal's triggers for massive world depopulation have now been put into place, thanks to their puppets Trump, Netanyahu, and several other western leaders.

    "Jeffrey Sachs makes a terrifying prediction on the escalation of the Iran war and the looming economic devastation."

    The Man Who Predicted This War Makes Another Terrifying Prediction



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    ´Why They're About to Close The Strait of Malacca´--22 min--
    Apr 29, 2026 Redacted News Podcast
    Former Green Beret journalist Michael Yon joins Redacted to break down the coming food crisis triggered by the fertilizer shock and closed shipping lanes. Yon, who predicted Nord Stream's destruction and the Iran war, warns that cutting the Strait of Hormuz, Strait of Malacca, Panama Canal, and Turkish Straits will cause mass starvation across Sudan, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and beyond.

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    In this new video, Mike Adams asked his AI agents to analyze and predict the possibility of famine in a range of countries most likely affected by the continuing closure of the Strait of Hormuz, and (critically) the resulting shortages of natural gas for fertilizer plants.

    The AI analysis also took into account weather, existing conditions, current food stocks, and so on. It's probably pretty accurate. He divided the countries most likely to be affected into 3 categories, ranked in terms of probable severe impact, in most cases next year (2027).
    1. Sudan, Yemen, Somalia.
    2. Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Egypt, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo.
    3. India, Turkey, Brazil, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda.

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