Can you raise your Vibration? or is it B S?

[thepainterdoug]

Can you raise your vibration? If so, How?
First we need to understand what your vibration is? How do you know? Can anyone establish this?

Is there a meter or a gauge to be used for this? If not, then what is the measuring stick and how would anyone know?

I hear talk of raising your vibration, and when I distill it down, it seems to me to be a form of scorekeeping. An ego thing, no different than a holy person seeing themselves as better than others cause he's in church on Sundays . They are holier and therefore better.

And what do we mean by better? What do we mean?

I'm on the warpath today about this bull****. Someone told me they are working with others to raise their vibration, thus separating themselves from the lower vibrating. i.e. the losers. And this seems never to be challenged.

Yet I heard from a pretty "tapped in" person recently , I believe it was Cliff High who said, no! you cannot raise your vibration. As of now, I agree with Cliff unless I get more info from someone in the know who can prove this to me.

I can understand your striving and trying, and I can understand by your yoga, and meditation etc, you can reach new heights of insights etc, but vibrating is a cycle and an identifiable and measurable thing. you cannot just anoint yourself as vibrating higher than others. Can you?
Like notes on a piano, from lower vibration to high. Its measurable.

I learned from the hundreds of NDE experiencers that we are all the same, from the plumber whose ass crack is showing as he bends down to the buttoned up refined and high minded spiritual poser.

But the earth realm, as diverse in our experiences as it is ,I see analogous to the animal kingdom. All different, all with diverse positions and roles, yet all the same. Is the Lion "better "than the mouse? Or just playing a different role, a different function?

If the NDE people and their extremely similar experiences as in no linear time, 360 degree vision, no talking by mouth, but thru telepathy, intense feelings of collective love, no separation, no hate no anger when crossing over than there are no winners or losers here.
We are here to experience being a body.

Our earth bound striving for raising one's vibration seems to me to be similar to the desire to cutting in line to get to the front and get in, thus winning! It seems based on ego and separation.

am I wrong?

pd

[dim]

Unless one comes to the point where is able to address their inner trauma and release it, raising anything is wishful thinking, buzzword worship and bypassing.

[thepainterdoug]

dim

that strikes me as facing inner reality and letting go which is admirable and inacts personal growth.

[Jaak]

Awesome topic . Im not in very good condition to give you answers but i will try .

Can you raise your vibration? If so, How?
Yes .
By controlling breathing , thoughts and heart rate .
All 3 are connected and affect other . Lungs, brain and heart .
Make a conscious decision what you want to achieve , then start controlling your breathing which will affect your heart rate ,which will control the rate of vibration of your body and soul. It is the main compound of it .
If you want your soul vibrate at higher frequency you need to slow down heart rate through breathing .

First we need to understand what your vibration is? How do you know?
Through out of body experiences i have seen my spirit , the double helical current that runs through us .Which also is main component of our soul .
One answer would be magnetic fields . We are a combination of dozens of them . Through every north and south pole runs a double helical current that our modern science, i hope, has trouble detecting. I hope they never figure out how to manipulate that.
Only thing in materialistic reality what we can detect are waves (EMF Scale) , impulses of the outer layers of Torus while the spirit is the double helix that runs perpendicularly through the torus . It is what connects everything in this universe to everything else.

Combine the double helical spirit that runs through Torus with its outer layers and you will get soul .
This is my interpretation , how i understand it and im on my slow path to improve my understanding of it .
You dont understand it ? Its ok , it took me years to understand/comprehend many of these things . If you have any specific questions , shoot and i will try to answer .
I have talked about some of these things in these topics below.



https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...24-No-1693-A.D.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...f-the-universe
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...dy-experiences.


Like notes on a piano, from lower vibration to high. Its measurable.
There are things on this reality that can not be measured , can not be put on a scale .
With what scale or a ruler do you measure dreams , love , thoughts .. ? Weigh somethings soul ?
If you cant measure them does it mean they dont exist ?

[Casey Claar]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Can you raise your vibration? If so, How?
First we need to understand what your vibration is? How do you know? Can anyone establish this?

Is there a meter or a gauge to be used for this? If not, then what is the measuring stick and how would anyone know?

I hear talk of raising your vibration, and when I distill it down, it seems to me to be a form of scorekeeping. An ego thing, no different than a holy person seeing themselves as better than others cause he's in church on Sundays . They are holier and therefore better.

And what do we mean by better? What do we mean?

I'm on the warpath today about this bull****. Someone told me they are working with others to raise their vibration, thus separating themselves from the lower vibrating. i.e. the losers. And this seems never to be challenged.

Yet I heard from a pretty "tapped in" person recently , I believe it was Cliff High who said, no! you cannot raise your vibration. As of now, I agree with Cliff unless I get more info from someone in the know who can prove this to me.

I can understand your striving and trying, and I can understand by your yoga, and meditation etc, you can reach new heights of insights etc, but vibrating is a cycle and an identifiable and measurable thing. you cannot just anoint yourself as vibrating higher than others. Can you?
Like notes on a piano, from lower vibration to high. Its measurable.

I learned from the hundreds of NDE experiencers that we are all the same, from the plumber whose ass crack is showing as he bends down to the buttoned up refined and high minded spiritual poser.

But the earth realm, as diverse in our experiences as it is ,I see analogous to the animal kingdom. All different, all with diverse positions and roles, yet all the same. Is the Lion "better "than the mouse? Or just playing a different role, a different function?

If the NDE people and their extremely similar experiences as in no linear time, 360 degree vision, no talking by mouth, but thru telepathy, intense feelings of collective love, no separation, no hate no anger when crossing over than there are no winners or losers here.
We are here to experience being a body.

Our earth bound striving for raising one's vibration seems to me to be similar to the desire to cutting in line to get to the front and get in, thus winning! It seems based on ego and separation.

am I wrong?

pd

Hello, Doug

As you have shown, the context in which the question is asked is everything.

I find it most beneficial to query in ways like this, holding it all in a relative nature solely to oneself, - "judgment" and "comparison" to another will generally tend to lead the query astray.

If vibration is taken to mean oscillation/energy - then, yes, it is more clear - one may, due to expenditure or reserve be high or low in this.

This said, it is more often the QUALITY or FREQUENCY of vibration that is being referenced in the phrase "raise in vibration".

And, again, - yes - both quality and frequency may be elevated and/or lowered.

Often the spectrum is based on LOVE and FEAR, the latter residing at the lower end of the spectrum and the former at the elevated end. But there can be fractals of this as well, within the spectrum of what is meant (and none of which are fundamentally meant as judgements). Observation is the key, observation without judgement; awareness on awareness itself, observing-without-trying-to-protect. A purity will reside in this which will keep awareness high, the quality of observation high, thought frequencies high. There is also that which brings all this down.

The universality of this, in my reality is a given.

Yes, it applies to us all.

[norman]

Posted by Jaak (here)

Jaak, in your mind travels you seem to have been thinking a lot about magnetism. I often think about magnetism but not in this context that you do it in.

Perhaps it will be helpful for you to have a listen to this clip of Joseph Farrell explaining an apparent 'fact' about magnetism that has been corrupted by academia. I don't know if it was stupidity or malice but have a hunch it was initiated as dark ethereal malice and adopted as stupidity. Farrell begins on a different topic that questions the accuracy of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity but quickly gets to Maxwell's Equations for magnetism.

mp3 - 4 minutes 20 seconds
JP Farrell on magnetism, truth and lies in academia

[thepainterdoug]

Jaak/ thanks

Can you raise your vibration? If so, How?

Yes .

By controlling breathing , thoughts and heart rate .
All 3 are connected and affect other . Lungs, brain and heart .
Make a conscious decision what you want to achieve , then start controlling your breathing which will affect your heart rate ,which will control the rate of vibration of your body and soul. It is the main compound of it .
If you want your soul vibrate at higher frequency you need to slow down heart rate through breathing .

so i understand but I dont understand. how does controlling your breathing and your heart rate translate to a vibration ? how can it be measured? your temperature can be measured with a thermometer. can your vibration be quantified?

[shaberon]

Fair enough. We have been using this expression since the 1960s. Except it was more like good vibes.


Yes, of course one has numerous wave fields...electrical, and plasmic which is related to acoustics because the body contains piezos.

In the 60s we knew you were a form of battery; plasma thinking is much newer.

That aspect of it I accept unquestioningly.

I'm not sure that raise is the correct response, it may be a gimmick.

I would suggest harmonize as perhaps a more accurate description.

When there is dis-harmony, something is too great and something is too weak, and Justice is the procedure of restoring the balance. It is the same inside a single organism, or among many organisms.

I get the sense the OP is reacting to a sort of literary trend, a type of language I am not prone to agree with. I mostly just speak in terms of classical traditions. Through experience with life force which makes me positive there is such a thing.

As personal usage, I would say better has the meaning that Dharma is my best and safest guide.

It guides me in what to raise, which are Qualities to Perfection.

Before reaching this conclusion, I possibly could have drifted into the "raised vibrations" kind. I think there may be a difference between us. It's not exactly a fake subject but we are doing different things with it.

[thepainterdoug]

hi Casey

As you have shown, the context in which the question is asked is everything.

I find it most beneficial to query in ways like this, holding it all in a relative nature solely to oneself, - "judgment" and "comparison" to another will generally tend to lead the query astray.

This sounds to me like you are describing a personal sense of feeling or being. It can be felt and imagined, but i dont see how it can be measured? To me one needs to add woo to the equation. If i love someone more than someone else, can it be measured?

Im fine with it all but feel unclear that we can raise our vibration as it is unclear what it is or where it is found or measured.

[shaberon]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
how does controlling your breathing and your heart rate translate to a vibration ? how can it be measured? your temperature can be measured with a thermometer. can your vibration be quantified?

This would be an example. Perhaps it is more straightforward to take what he said without the dubious figure of speech:

By controlling breathing , thoughts and heart rate .
All 3 are connected and affect other . Lungs, brain and heart .
Make a conscious decision what you want to achieve , then start controlling your breathing which will affect your heart rate.
You need to slow down heart rate through breathing .

And if we put it like that, I would agree so strongly that I don't understand why they don't teach it in kindergarten.

In the most generic response, no matter what happened, it could be construed as vibration, because the only thing that stops it is Absolute Zero.

I don't know what particular quantity he is getting at.

In dealing with substances that I know of, I would suggest that normal waking consciousness is governed by electricity, and if you follow the instructions as quoted then your electrical impulses (using salt bridges) are going to subside, and perhaps you become sensitive to the next state of matter, Plasma.

You haven't exactly raised anything. You've quit obscuring it.

My responses on what could be measured would be based on Plasma as the theoretical link of mind to matter. It is, of course, highly susceptible to magnetism. and typically in the form of a torus.

[lunaflare]

You can do all that breathing, lowering your heart rate, etc., and still basically be an unpleasant and selfish person.....
I think raising your vibration is new-age parlance for being a good person.
Raising your vibration doesn't have to be complicated; we have a conscience to guide us.

In art, angels are often depicted with halos, and the inner light seen around "saintly" people suggests a connection to goodness, God, Goddess, Holy Spirit, divine intelligence...that rings true for me, and I sometimes see this inner glow in elderly people (who happen to be kind).

[Casey Claar]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
hi Casey

As you have shown, the context in which the question is asked is everything.

I find it most beneficial to query in ways like this, holding it all in a relative nature solely to oneself, - "judgment" and "comparison" to another will generally tend to lead the query astray.

This sounds to me like you are describing a personal sense of feeling or being. It can be felt and imagined, but i dont see how it can be measured? To me one needs to add woo to the equation. If i love someone more than someone else, can it be measured?

Im fine with it all but feel unclear that we can raise our vibration as it is unclear what it is or where it is found or measured.

Hi, Doug

The sentence in bold, this is where I am suggesting the confusion arises.

The idea is not to compare oneself with another, the idea is to utilize oneself, in this case YOURself (as a consciousness-mind-energy-body-system) as ground zero for your query <-- this is your EXPERIENCE territory, feeling is part of it but not the totality, you have all the faculties you were given as an Earth human being to bring to bare. You (as a consciousness-mind-energy-body-system) are that by which your quality/frequency/vibration is measured <-- the measurement of this is taken relative to What Is Central to You and not anyone/anything outside yourself. There are likely many ways in which your quality (of thought, energy and bodily state of being ) may be measured. Would you accept these, though? you would have to ask yourself. Do you need the additional tool? or method?

I ask because, in a very large sense it is not exactly rocket science. I mean, for instance, you can tell when you are feeling well and when you are not, right? you don't exactly need a doctor to tell you, right? (these are distinguishable frequencies, they have distinguishable qualities). Some people can have the tendency to lose touch with themselves, and I understand that when this happens an outside source of feedback becomes necessary for them. But, it is also quite simple, if a person is willing, to reconnect inwardly with themselves. In a similar way that one can gauge when they are well and when they are not, they can also gauge when they are treating themselves and others well, and when they are not -the quality of these is what it is.

All of this comes into play when observing the concept of vibration/frequency/quality,

And whether it is elevated within us, or in decline.

Does this make sense?

[AutumnW]

"Raising your vibration" means having mastery over your emotions, thought processes, focus. Referring to it as vibrational might be descriptive but is likely a metaphor. The expression makes it seem like we are human tuning forks.

[Agape]

Hi Dough , conscientiously , people of today rise vibration with money.

If Cliff and the Vedas ( and the rest of Holy Scriptures ) are "also right"( in jest , I know some old timers who would say that ) we don't need either "money to rise the vibe" or "to rise the vibe"
and the straightest way of the Creators Plan , rests in non action and abstinence from effort to do something "about it all".

You can truly "rise the vibe" by being happy , joyful, grateful , contended instead of "too smart", hence prodigiously sarcastic , too complicated and crying for the world's sorrows.

If not then "crying loud" and "crying together" too helps to "rise the vibe".


Replaying Ave Maria 21 times in chore may, on the other hand result in low BP and emotional argument at neighbours.

In most cases it's simply better not to rise the vibe unless (we know) the other person/people can tolerate .


All that's truly important happens by itself

[thepainterdoug]

Casey, i feel you are circling the wagons for me on this. Lunaflares answer appeals to me. Kindness. I wish people were raising their kindness rather than their vibration. That is measurable by my heart and eyes cause i can see and feel it.
I feel alot of this is the egos tricky attempt to separate from others in an Im better than you scenario.

i include a seeming comparison to other people because thats what and who defines us. We are comparing ourselves to others from the crib on up to adulthood. we wouldnt know what we think if not for our relation to others.

you know, I cought a little mouse the other day in my studio. i saw him run across the floor and then I ordered a humane trap from amazon.
when it came, i went out and got a good solid piece of parmesian cheese, cut a piece and set in in the tube. I took much care in catching him so to release him outdoors.
The next morning I came downstairs and saw he was in the tube.just sitting quietly. I spoke to him and told him Im taking care of him and will take him out in ten minutes as i got dressed so dont be afraid. . He was my priority.
I went outside to the churchgrounds across from my building and proceeded to let him go. A woman from the church said to me.
dont let him go, kill him . really mrs church goer??
Im a kind person and because of that i am often seen as weak. But this comment of hers really disgusted me and I let her know. this is the kind of parading around in a clan or click that pretends one thing to the world and demonstrates another.

I feel this "we are raising our vibration" crowd is similar in that it is a tool of separation and virtue signaling. Ill take kindness anyday

[The KMan]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Can you raise your vibration? If so, How?
First we need to understand what your vibration is? How do you know? Can anyone establish this?

Is there a meter or a gauge to be used for this? If not, then what is the measuring stick and how would anyone know?

I hear talk of raising your vibration, and when I distill it down, it seems to me to be a form of scorekeeping. An ego thing, no different than a holy person seeing themselves as better than others cause he's in church on Sundays . They are holier and therefore better.

And what do we mean by better? What do we mean?

I'm on the warpath today about this bull****. Someone told me they are working with others to raise their vibration, thus separating themselves from the lower vibrating. i.e. the losers. And this seems never to be challenged.

Yet I heard from a pretty "tapped in" person recently , I believe it was Cliff High who said, no! you cannot raise your vibration. As of now, I agree with Cliff unless I get more info from someone in the know who can prove this to me.

I can understand your striving and trying, and I can understand by your yoga, and meditation etc, you can reach new heights of insights etc, but vibrating is a cycle and an identifiable and measurable thing. you cannot just anoint yourself as vibrating higher than others. Can you?
Like notes on a piano, from lower vibration to high. Its measurable.

I learned from the hundreds of NDE experiencers that we are all the same, from the plumber whose ass crack is showing as he bends down to the buttoned up refined and high minded spiritual poser.

But the earth realm, as diverse in our experiences as it is ,I see analogous to the animal kingdom. All different, all with diverse positions and roles, yet all the same. Is the Lion "better "than the mouse? Or just playing a different role, a different function?

If the NDE people and their extremely similar experiences as in no linear time, 360 degree vision, no talking by mouth, but thru telepathy, intense feelings of collective love, no separation, no hate no anger when crossing over than there are no winners or losers here.
We are here to experience being a body.

Our earth bound striving for raising one's vibration seems to me to be similar to the desire to cutting in line to get to the front and get in, thus winning! It seems based on ego and separation.

am I wrong?

pd

Hi Doug, I think your questions are actually quite straightforward, so I'll try to answer them directly rather than wrap them in too much language. If we take "vibration" literally as in something physical, measurable or comparable like a frequency on a scale, then no, there's no evidence or known mechanism that supports it as a literal measurable property in that sense. There isn't a meter for it and it doesn't function like temperature or sound frequency.

Where the term does make sense is as a rough way of describing someone's inner state, things like how reactive or calm they are, how clear-headed, how stressed, how open and how they tend to show up in their behaviour over time. In that sense, people are pointing at something real but the language is loose. So when people talk about "raising your vibration," they're usually, whether they realise it or not, referring to changes like becoming less reactive, steadier, more aware of themselves and more considerate in how they act. None of that needs a mystical framework to be real.

On your concern about hierarchy, I think you're right to question it. The "higher/lower vibration" framing easily turns into comparison and subtle status claims, even when it's presented as personal growth and that's a genuine distortion of the idea, not just a word problem.

So to your core point: no, it doesn't describe something measurable in a literal sense. But yes, it's trying to point at something real in how people feel and behave, just using a metaphor that often causes more confusion than clarity.

From my perspective, it becomes most useful when it's translated out of spiritual language altogether and expressed in practical terms in behaviour, awareness and emotional steadiness over time because those are things we can actually observe.

[Bill Ryan]

• Get physically healthy. Detox in every way you can. (Saunas, eliminating heavy metals, water fasting, etc.)
• Stop taking any drugs (if you do). Consider stopping smoking and drinking alcohol.
• Connect with nature. Walk every day. Spend time, if you can, among mountains, lakes and forests.
• Disconnect from the negative people and influences in your life. Spend time with positive, loving friends.
• Minimize your smartphone use.
• Make peace (internally, or better still in the real world) with anyone you feel at war with.
• If you have harmed or are harming anyone, remedy or repair that if you can.
• Work on forgiveness, both for yourself and others.
• Be kind. If you don't feel like it, be kind anyway.
• Do some regression work to heal past traumas, which often carry over from previous lives.
• Get a dog. (Yes, really.)

[Rosencross]

In this physical world, we use words that describe it (the physical world). Vibration is just a word to describe the movement that something is experiencing and is measurable. We don't have many words that relate to the higher aspects of our Being in the
non-physical, so we use words which can possibly create imaginative pictures to get the idea across to another.

We all pick up so called vibes when we enter a room or meet someone. There is like an "auric" field about individuals and gatherings and we sort of slightly merge into a vesic piscus sort of confrotation and pick up the "vibes". It is really just a word derived from physical existance which we use as there really aren't many words that can get the picture across. I have to go but that is one aspect of how I personally look at it.

[jaybee]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I'm on the warpath today about this bull****.

lol....

I like this Einstein quote .... Albert Einstein famously said, "If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself," emphasizing the importance of clarity in communication.


soooooo if I was to try to explain (the somewhat vague concept) of 'raising your vibration' to a six year old I might say this....

'........you know when you play with your friend and you laugh and feel happy - when you run around together, tell jokes and feel happy.... well this 'raises your vibration' ...... like a car engine going....... brrrrrrrrrrrrrum brrrrrrum brrrrrrrum (make the sounds of a car engine revving up and run around a bit with the child pretending to be a car......making them laugh by chasing them going beep beep - tooting your pretend horn.....)

well you DID ask...... haha.....

so I think your comments about kindness ( a positive connection....) are very relevant.... if we don't bother with actual measurement and just know that kindness is a good thing - a worthy thing - that increase happiness and general harmony -

getting a bit off the explaining to a six year old thing now, so will shut up...... although I do wonder how many six year olds Einstein explained his Theory of Relativity to.... and if they 'got it'..... I could have done with him explaining it to me when I was six..... .....

[betoobig]

We are vibrational beings in a vibrational universe and this is the real paradigme shift. From the physical perspective to the vibrational one.
Yes you can rise or low the frequency of your vibration and in fact you do vibrate all day everyday. Most people don´t pay atention to this. We know how are we vibrating by how we feel and rising your vibration you do by rising up in the emotional scale.... we do this by controling the only thing we can control, our minds. Most advices here are about exterior conditions like getting a dog, don´t get me wrong it is awesome advice, i got two.... but my point is that we can control how we feel by controlling what we think about making your frequency of vibration unconditionaly driven. Everything my friend starts with a thought. Example... someone you do not know approaches and calls you names, now you hear it and you judge in your mind and you react to your judgement not to what other do say or do.....or leaving your frequency of vibration, how you feel or your thoughts in outside conditions hands....
this is a mental universe and wgat you think is more important than outside conditions.... when this is the appraoch you will start rising the frequency of your vibration in a steady and conscious way so you can rise and rise at your pace and don´t go back.... Now the ultimate goal would be to have the highest possible vibe by blending your ego or intelectual mind with your innerbeing. The highest vibe a human can achive is AUTHENTICITY, your authentic self is your innerbeing .... so the blending is game changer. If not people goes up and down the emotianal scale, up and down vibrationaly but get no where.... till you find you true self you still have the urge you are missing something. gope this helps.... control what you think about and you control how you feel thus you control what vibration you emmit , so you also know what vibration universe will answer you... so you start creating your own reality consciously and not by default. Much love