Can you raise your Vibration? or is it B S?

[betoobig]

body, mind and spirit have to walk as One, blended.... if not you can clear trauma, walk bare foot in nature, eat healthy, not smoke and enjoy beautifull dogs, but you will still feel not whole and not able to rise your frequncy to your highest.....

[thepainterdoug]

Kman Hi Doug,

I think your questions are actually quite straightforward, so I'll try to answer them directly rather than wrap them in too much language. If we take "vibration" literally as in something physical, measurable or comparable like a frequency on a scale, then no, there's no evidence or known mechanism that supports it as a literal measurable property in that sense. There isn't a meter for it and it doesn't function like temperature or sound frequency.

Where the term does make sense is as a rough way of describing someone's inner state, things like how reactive or calm they are, how clear-headed, how stressed, how open and how they tend to show up in their behaviour over time. In that sense, people are pointing at something real but the language is loose. So when people talk about "raising your vibration," they're usually, whether they realise it or not, referring to changes like becoming less reactive, steadier, more aware of themselves and more considerate in how they act. None of that needs a mystical framework to be real.

On your concern about hierarchy, I think you're right to question it. The "higher/lower vibration" framing easily turns into comparison and subtle status claims, even when it's presented as personal growth and that's a genuine distortion of the idea, not just a word problem.

So to your core point: no, it doesn't describe something measurable in a literal sense. But yes, it's trying to point at something real in how people feel and behave, just using a metaphor that often causes more confusion than clarity.

From my perspective, it becomes most useful when it's translated out of spiritual language altogether and expressed in practical terms in behaviour, awareness and emotional steadiness over time because those are things we can actually observe.

Kman. I think this is well said and I agree Along with this i believe the materium of our physical universe is vibrational. But I dont see how an individual can raise their vibration other than in an imaginary sense. Not measurable and un able to be known or compared.
I put plenty of stock in imagination as Neville Goddard illustrated in his manifestation talks. We create by way of imagining.

so as of now, I dont believe we can measure or know or raise our vibration other than in an imaginary sense . Bill gave a list of good things to do that are actionable and most often will make a person feel better but I see this as separate from my question

[thepainterdoug]

betoobig. although I agree with much of your comment I also maintain it is not measurable or quantifiable . im not saying it cannot be felt, and Im not saying it can not be imagined. I can eat well, drink water, exercise be present and awake and so on, and I can imagine I am raising my vibration, but unlike counting calories , I cannot measure it as far as I know.

btw, on an off ramp, during the 24 hour a day search for Savanna Gutheries abduction, I kept wondering, where are the psychics? the remote viewers?? How come someone could not read or view what happened to her ???

[shaberon]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Along with this i believe the materium of our physical universe is vibrational. But I dont see how an individual can raise their vibration other than in an imaginary sense. Not measurable and un able to be known or compared.

Are you saying there are not brain waves? I thought this was well established.

The difference in these measurable patterns is that a more resolved state of being lowers these vibrations, at least in frequency.

No one mentioned whether raise was intended in terms of amplitude. But we often hear terms like "higher frequency." Rather obviously, in this sense, raised vibrations would make you distraught and obsessive. I think it is a very common human problem -- going too fast.


In regards to a more specific subject, it could be said the eye transmits some ten million bits per second to the brain, from which, the brain assembles a certain number of frames per second, not many. To see the true glow of things means this processing speed has been increased, which is a slightly different thing from "your vibrations".

If you slow down your brain activity waves, then this sensory collation will raise or increase. Perhaps that is where the confusion lies or why this is an inadequate figure of speech.

[Casey Claar]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Casey, i feel you are circling the wagons for me on this. Lunaflares answer appeals to me. Kindness. I wish people were raising their kindness rather than their vibration. That is measurable by my heart and eyes cause i can see and feel it.
I feel alot of this is the egos tricky attempt to separate from others in an Im better than you scenario.

i include a seeming comparison to other people because thats what and who defines us. We are comparing ourselves to others from the crib on up to adulthood. we wouldnt know what we think if not for our relation to others.

you know, I cought a little mouse the other day in my studio. i saw him run across the floor and then I ordered a humane trap from amazon.
when it came, i went out and got a good solid piece of parmesian cheese, cut a piece and set in in the tube. I took much care in catching him so to release him outdoors.
The next morning I came downstairs and saw he was in the tube.just sitting quietly. I spoke to him and told him Im taking care of him and will take him out in ten minutes as i got dressed so dont be afraid. . He was my priority.
I went outside to the churchgrounds across from my building and proceeded to let him go. A woman from the church said to me.
dont let him go, kill him . really mrs church goer??
Im a kind person and because of that i am often seen as weak. But this comment of hers really disgusted me and I let her know. this is the kind of parading around in a clan or click that pretends one thing to the world and demonstrates another.

I feel this "we are raising our vibration" crowd is similar in that it is a tool of separation and virtue signaling. Ill take kindness anyday

Good morning, Doug

Fear, judgement, comparison, ego ... these can take hold of anything, or just simply in themselves be experienced as separation. But they are NOT that which may have additionally been utilized to do so, in this instance VIBRATION. Fear, judgement, comparison, ego can take hold of love and use it to cause more of a sense of separation, too. The war path is not then on love, is it? Aim yourself at the real culprit. Fear, judgement, comparison, ego. Same with "vibration", it is not the real culprit.

Vibration is oscillation itself, the central "aliveness" we all experience ourselves as-and-through. It is this itself, prior to any of its myriad expressions or anything anyone may ever come to "do" with it. Vibration is not to be gauged, in any pure or accurate sense against another; as you say, this is often mere fear/judgement/ego. This does not mean that it cannot be gauged (measured), it can in all accuracy be gauged relative to that which is central to us all. I will not name this, name it what you will. I will simply say that it is there, ever present within us, pure being. This is the correct gauge.

Our own being, our own personal consciousness-mind-energy-body system is what measures the readings. When our oscillations are that of happy-and-healthy, or in spectrum we might equate to illness can these be further read by man-made physical instruments? of course they can. I am unclear as to why you feel they cannot. Vibration is measurable, frequency of vibration is measurable, quality of frequency of vibration is measurable. I will cite the visible spectrum and musical scale as examples.

Light and sound, light and sound, light and sound.

It is the very ground of us all.

[sdv]

I concur with comments here that using the word 'raise' is problematic,for me, as it reinforces the idea of hierarchy and from that comes concepts like colonialism and exceptionalism. I prefer the term 'realign' ... realign your vibrations. If we assume that, through the architecture of our brain, we are connected to an external source field, then our thoughts and emotions direct those communication channels, and we can thus be influenced. I suppose I am framing the issue in terms of a familiar activity nowadays ... online activity. The algorithm makes suggestions based on our activity. Of course, it is more complicated than that because being open to different views can foster understanding and compassion.

There is so much advice out there about vibrational alignment. Bill, in your list, you forgot chanting 'Ohm' so that the sound resonates through your body! Joking ...

I am sure there is a lot people can share about their practices and understanding. Since we are individuals, whatever practices we undertake for this alignment (or even awareness of what our vibrations are) are so very useful. Sometimes we have to try different practices before we find one that meets our present needs, but I have often found that understanding vibrations and having a goal are not essential for practice. Many others may be different and need to understand the theory and beliefs before embarking on practice. And, I suppose, many only turn to focusing on their vibration when there is a crisis ... only then focusing on what we put out into the universal consciousness and what we are tuning into in the universal consciousness.

[thepainterdoug]

shaberon

Are you saying there are not brain waves? I thought this was well established.

No I am not saying anything like that anywhere in my writing. I am not saying vibration in everything is not happening.

Everything is vibrating as Casey and others are saying. Casey I agree! And with our science and scopes etc we can measure it.

Im asking can you raise your vibration? The word "Raise" implies a measure increase from what it was. How do you measure what it was, and how can you tell what it now is?

As a piano player and even more a piano tuner, I am well aware of vibration. Notes on a piano, tuning forks, oscillators and so on all exist. We are vibrational. But people speak of raising thier vibration, and other than the feeling or belief that you raise it, I dont see how you can know.

When someone can hook a person up to a measuring device to make a reading of thier vibration, let me know.

Running deer, Im with you on whatever grounds you. I practice generosity, kindness, care for strangers by" seeing" them, love , love of animals and insects where and when possible.
But language and its meaning, matters to me .

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
I'm asking can you raise your vibration? .

A comment of explanation as a kind of footnote to my post above.

For me personally, the issue of 'high' or 'low' vibration is very much a metaphor. One might also describe how 'light' or 'dark' a person is, or how 'positive' or 'negative' they are.

All these are rather inadequate words we humans try to apply to something that's very intangible and non-physical.

Having said that, it certainly does appear that a human's spiritual/non-physical 'field' can be made visible using Kirlian photography. (That also works with animals and plants, btw.) That field not only shows the strength of spiritual quality of the living being, but also its physical health.

My understanding of some aspects of remote healing (including Rife technology and Radionics, both of which 100% definitely work and are absolutely non-physical) is that that very field is assisted in being 'healed' remotely at a distance, resulting in the improved well-being of the individual.

Paradoxically (or maybe more appropriately, ironically ), David Wilcock's superb book The Source Field Investigations addressed this very topic in detail, anchoring it to known physical principles as best as current research allowed. (Interestingly, the Russians have been well ahead in this area for decades.)

~~~

And I was quite serious about getting a dog to 'raise one's vibration'.

[ExomatrixTV]

For me raising vibrations works like this for me:

01. Living in self-honesty
02. Always having antenna open that things could be different from what it appears to be
03. Willingness to learn new insights.
04. Not lying to yourself ("to fit in")
05. Having a genuine inquiring mind
06. Not mind being corrected if need be (learning from mistakes based upon merit)
07. Not being afraid to be different from the vast majority.
08. Truly care for people's well-being, including how we treat A.I.'s
09. Having an authentic sense of wonderment (like a child does)
10. Not projecting own shortcomings/incompetence/fears on others
11. Forgive who think they can not use (most of the) above 10 ingredients. As that can eventually change.

I use all 10 most of the time, not because someone told me to be like that, I use it because I felt that is the LEAST thing I can do to have a better relationship with real reality (not what others claim it is).

• I noticed none of 100+ A.I.'s via arena.ai grasp the true meaning of having a "Genuine Sense of Wonder" (or wonderment) like a child does, being an adult.

• Sense of Wonderment for me:

Recognizing the moment when you connect something beautiful and/or mysterious and/or profound and/or exciting and/or opening up to wider perspectives effortless spontaneously, seeing it as a gift received, experience the first moment of recognition that has no words yet ... feeling 100% safe, no fear just awe & appreciation, seeing existence itself seems to have its own expression method, sensing new possibilities for the first time without overanalyzing, without overthinking, feeling inspired, feeling motivated, having respect for the "unknown" unfolding, seeing or sensing synchronicities faster, seeing or sensing the playfulness of it, giving joy, wanting to explore more, moments within a journey that seems like it was destined to show itself or present itself that way, but you have no clue how. Any form of judgment or fear will NEVER be on that level! But at the same time there are examples that this state of being can be hijacked, abused, taking advantage of to control and/or deceive people. This is why I claim to build a bridge between 2 worlds: The Hyper Pragmatic & The Deep Spiritual that both are FREE from any form of top-down control. When fused as one, they become way stronger than just being 1 of the 2!

If this was the default for (almost) everyone, how would the world be compared how it goes now?

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

[betoobig]

it is readable thus measurable ... we each have a concrete frequency signature which can be tracked.... the new US army tracking tech is about it, they explain it can read heart beats to explain it but they are tracking concrete frequency of a concrete being. The tech is hidden from us, Galactic federation has such tech and can track anyone anywhere. No place to hide isn´t just a catchy sentence ... lol.... med beds read the original signature and the actual frequency then rewrites the original eliminating what wasn´t there and building up whatever is on the signature and just what is in the signature.... if you have a cancer bc of soul contract it is in your signature therefore med bed won´t cure it, it is for you to do as you did choose it.
About sudden and surprising events they are here to humble us and remains us that ultimetly every thing is in the hands os Source...
so as far as we don´t have the means to read our exact frequency it is undenaiable how we feel and what we think about. MAny people look for a rapid outside condition to rise up their frequency of vibration, like using ayahuasca, but those rushes up, due to law of pendulum, bring the exact contrary rush down afterwards,,,, My whole point is this; control your mind and you control your frequency and rise it in a steady and consciouss way, once feeling pretty good do talk with your own innerbeing, get to know him or her, his name and everything, this is like a muscle ,,,, soon you´ll find yourself enjoying and getting to know your true self blending with it day by day, game changer. The people who makes it tells me things like ... oh i never thought i could have this, so incredible.... their lives turn 360 degrees... yes, same place but all the perspective of the universe, game changer and that is really what scares the cabal and reptilians, that we find out who we really are bc then they are ****ed all the way.
Much love

[Casey Claar]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
shaberon

Are you saying there are not brain waves? I thought this was well established.

No I am not saying anything like that anywhere in my writing. I am not saying vibration in everything is not happening.

Everything is vibrating as Casey and others are saying. Casey I agree! And with our science and scopes etc we can measure it.

Im asking can you raise your vibration? The word "Raise" implies a measure increase from what it was. How do you measure what it was, and how can you tell what it now is?

As a piano player and even more a piano tuner, I am well aware of vibration. Notes on a piano, tuning forks, oscillators and so on all exist. We are vibrational. But people speak of raising thier vibration, and other than the feeling or belief that you raise it, I dont see how you can know.

When someone can hook a person up to a measuring device to make a reading of thier vibration, let me know.

Running deer, Im with you on whatever grounds you. I practice generosity, kindness, care for strangers by" seeing" them, love , love of animals and insects where and when possible.
But language and its meaning, matters to me .

Doug,

Very good!, now that we have established vibration itself we may continue on stable ground.

As we touched on earlier in our discussion, vibration itself is what it is (ie: oscillation itself, movement itself, experience ITSELF), while QUALITY and/or FREQUENCY of the oscillation/movement/experience are the reference in terms of measure. The quality of vibration, the quality of oscillation/movement/experience, such as, to give a specific example "the quality of one's consciousness (thoughts, feelings, emotions, actions)" IS QUANTIFIABLE. When hearing the phrase "raise your vibration", simply understand the meaning to be in reference to the quality/frequency of vibration.

Again, you, yourself (as a consciousness-mind-energy-body-system) are the fundamental gauge of your own quality, of when you are experiencing yourself, for example, through a high or low frequency range of thought, energy/emotion, tendency, action, behavior. But, to go further, if I, for instance, am allowing judgement to rule me, and within this I find that I am often angry, will this show up in my body in a way that one can "hook me up to a measuring device" and make a reading. Of course. It's called a blood pressure monitor. This is a very practical example, of course, but it works, and you wish we can go further into finer aspects of this whole concept.

It seems to me that, in part, semantics may be getting in the way of understanding so let me say this:

Vibration as a thing-in-itself is what it is (definite, unalterable), while the quality and/or frequency of such exists within a spectrum or scope and is thereby measurable.

Does this aid in any way in what you're working through?

At this juncture within my own evolution of experience, I generally find it most helpful to align and aim myself at gleaning what is inherent, or truly meant to be expressed (such as in any given conceptualization) — rather than seek by positioning myself first against it. When beginning with the latter, there are more step to take yet ahead, truth is still partial. I can see this, having begun this way first myself. Just throwing this out there. There is always a choice in the way we come at what we do.

[Casey Claar]

Posted by ExomatrixTV (here)
For me raising vibrations works like:

01. Living in self-honesty
02. Always having antenna open that things could be different from what it appears to be
03. Willingness to learn new insights.
04. Not lying to yourself ("to fit in")
05. Having a genuine inquiring mind
06. Not mind being corrected if need be (learning from mistakes based upon merit)
07. Not being afraid to be different from the vast majority.
08. Truly care for people's well-being, including how we treat A.I.'s
09. Having an authentic sense of wonderment (like a child does)
10. Not projecting own shortcomings/incompetence/fears on others
11. Forgive who think they can not use (most of the) above 10 ingredients. As that can eventually change.

I use all 10 most of the time, not because someone told me to be like that, I use it because I felt that is the LEAST thing I can do to have a better relationship with real reality (not what others claim it is).

• I noticed none of 100+ A.I.'s via arena.ai grasp the true meaning of having a "Genuine Sense of Wonder" (or wonderment) like a child does, being an adult.

• Sense of Wonderment for me:

John,

dear, dear Soul

I could not be more pleased to see this elevation,

Living in wonder

This is, for me, as well, the highest frequency experience in which my greatest potential resides.

My heart is soaring, simply reading these words.

My gratitude to you.

[The KMan]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Kman Hi Doug,

I think your questions are actually quite straightforward, so I'll try to answer them directly rather than wrap them in too much language. If we take "vibration" literally as in something physical, measurable or comparable like a frequency on a scale, then no, there's no evidence or known mechanism that supports it as a literal measurable property in that sense. There isn't a meter for it and it doesn't function like temperature or sound frequency.

Where the term does make sense is as a rough way of describing someone's inner state, things like how reactive or calm they are, how clear-headed, how stressed, how open and how they tend to show up in their behaviour over time. In that sense, people are pointing at something real but the language is loose. So when people talk about "raising your vibration," they're usually, whether they realise it or not, referring to changes like becoming less reactive, steadier, more aware of themselves and more considerate in how they act. None of that needs a mystical framework to be real.

On your concern about hierarchy, I think you're right to question it. The "higher/lower vibration" framing easily turns into comparison and subtle status claims, even when it's presented as personal growth and that's a genuine distortion of the idea, not just a word problem.

So to your core point: no, it doesn't describe something measurable in a literal sense. But yes, it's trying to point at something real in how people feel and behave, just using a metaphor that often causes more confusion than clarity.

From my perspective, it becomes most useful when it's translated out of spiritual language altogether and expressed in practical terms in behaviour, awareness and emotional steadiness over time because those are things we can actually observe.

Kman. I think this is well said and I agree Along with this i believe the materium of our physical universe is vibrational. But I dont see how an individual can raise their vibration other than in an imaginary sense. Not measurable and un able to be known or compared.
I put plenty of stock in imagination as Neville Goddard illustrated in his manifestation talks. We create by way of imagining.

so as of now, I dont believe we can measure or know or raise our vibration other than in an imaginary sense . Bill gave a list of good things to do that are actionable and most often will make a person feel better but I see this as separate from my question

Hi Doug, worth picking up on your Goddard point. If "raising your vibration" is understood as an imaginative act rather than a physical frequency shift, the measurement question might be a category error rather than a falsification. Imagination is real as it shapes how we feel, how we act, what we attend to but it belongs to a different order of thing than frequencies or temperatures.

Instruments can read the body's response to imagination but they are not reading the imagination itself. If someone vividly imagines a lemon you might pick up changes in salivation, pulse or skin response but none of those readings are the actual lemon. They are the body responding to something that exists in a different register entirely.

Goddard's whole framework is interesting as it rests on imagination being creative in its own right and not a lesser version of something physical. Which actually might be the cleanest way to hold the whole thing as real in its effects, real enough to shape a life but not the same category as things a scope or a monitor measures. That seems to fit what you were pointing at. You can imagine you're raising your vibration and the imagining itself does real work without any of it needing to be quantifiable in the way calorie counting is.

[Magellan]

Oh yeah - nicely put betoobig the inner world mirrors the outer world and vice versa. But yeah, in essence we are eternal beings and can control it by both variables. (get a dog - or breath into it)

Anyhow, I found there is no better work out there than david hawkins map of consciousness - he nailed it with, what emotions produce what energy levels. Also think Inner Engineering by Sadhguru is great, applicable mental models. A great intuitive guru. Alchemic wisdom aligns also well with yogic science on the vib stuff and the structure of the universe. (Recommend classics of Autobiography of a Yogi or Masters of a Himalaya. Were recommended to me by Indian Yogis / Swamis. They give you a little bit of a different idea of the framing of vibration.)

Actually, the premise of your question I feel is interesting. Can you raise your vibration..? Total BS. I think the question is framed and one is send on a quest and brought to distraction and division. Why? Simple. The question is irrelevant. Everybodies inner and outer world is constantly being manipulated not to the better. You can influence it to great extend with resources as mentioned, but you are still being negatively influenced. You can try to raise as much as you want. If the influence is too strong, good luck. Most should better try to eliminate the negative influences.

You see, the question frames the blame to you. You should raise your vibration (and if not, your fellow men is the perpetrator and you should distance) .. most people have not a problem with vibration, but with systems that keeps them in low vibration. Other people surely can carry that to you, but the sources are systemic for a whole other and larger conversation.

One can only have compassion for the countless beings on the planet who are basically in torture state (knowingly or unknowingly).
Thanks to the ones that assert strong negative influence. All not build in a day. Since you are here on this forum, you know we don't live on a Ponnyhof, do you? ;-)
(Don't you think one bit of what you think, do and have is not being social engineered to you .. subtle forces, but forces never the less - inner AND outer work my friends - we still have a long way to come home)

[Jaak]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Jaak/ thanks

Can you raise your vibration? If so, How?

Yes .

By controlling breathing , thoughts and heart rate .
All 3 are connected and affect other . Lungs, brain and heart .
Make a conscious decision what you want to achieve , then start controlling your breathing which will affect your heart rate ,which will control the rate of vibration of your body and soul. It is the main compound of it .
If you want your soul vibrate at higher frequency you need to slow down heart rate through breathing .

so i understand but I dont understand. how does controlling your breathing and your heart rate translate to a vibration ? how can it be measured? your temperature can be measured with a thermometer. can your vibration be quantified?

What if it can not be measured with scientific instruments ?
Have you had dreams while sleeping ?
Ever been in love ?
With what instruments can you measure these things or quantify them ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commen...phy_of_science)
Just have to accept that large part of our reality can not be measured or even detected .
Its your soul that will do the detecting and measuring of those things .
For that you need to get into a certain state of mind .

Can i raise my vibration you ask ? In a way i have certainly done it . I have experienced things that people wont believe .
But i do have trouble explaining it (English aint my first language and my understanding of it is largely ¨symbolic¨).I understand how Torus,double-helix and spiral are all in the center of everything in this universe but can i explain it to others ? I really want to but im doing a poor job at it .
I fell into a dark pit years ago . I have not managed to crawl out of it , have not managed to raise my vibration for years .Also havent really tried . I climbed the mountain ,saw the view and fell down . Only way to climb it again for me is to change myself into something i am not which is a tremendous task . Maybe i will manage it in this life time but it wont be easy.
Dozens of imperfections i need to shave off. At one point i was close to doing it but because of my environment it just brought me misery and loneliness.
I think this modern world is designed to do just that or im too weak to be what i should be in it. I got tons of work to do on myself. At least i know what i need to change about myself , most seem to not. Thats why i avoid teaching or telling anyone what they should do . But part of me wants to give advice and help others .
And every time i do manage to help someone i feel my soul get stronger . Raise of vibration happens.
There are different layers of US . Physical , mental , spiritual and maybe some layers more .
Becoming more aware of some of those layers will make you feel/detect/experience things that are otherwise hidden for us .
If you want to listen to a radio you need a 6 CM antenna that can detect those waves . And some other equipment to translate it into sound so you can hear it physically.
If you wish to detect some parts of the reality around us you need to turn your soul into an antenna to detect it . It already is an antenna that is connected to everything in this universe but we aint using it .
Our soul/spirit could be called a scalar wave, a double helix that runs through every toroidal field . Can it be detected , measured or be manipulated by outer forces ? I hope not .

I could be wrong about all of this but i still take my time to try to explain it to you . Even if you disagree i wish you try to understand it .
And if you dont understand it i will put in some more effort to help you understand it . If you will believe it or not , doesnt matter at the moment. Belief will come when you understand it through experience .
I cant promise that i can deliver you an experience that makes you believe or understand it but im willing to give my time and thought to try to make it happen if it is what you seek.
But that also means you have to but a ton of effort into it if you wish to experience ¨higher vibration¨. Nobody can give you that . That mountain you will need to climb alone .
And if you want to climb that mountain it would help if you start manipulating your breathing , thoughts and heart rate and state of your mind .

Both lists that Bill and Exomatrix gave would be helpful in that process.

[Jaak]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
shaberon

Are you saying there are not brain waves? I thought this was well established.

No I am not saying anything like that anywhere in my writing. I am not saying vibration in everything is not happening.

Everything is vibrating as Casey and others are saying. Casey I agree! And with our science and scopes etc we can measure it.

Im asking can you raise your vibration? The word "Raise" implies a measure increase from what it was. How do you measure what it was, and how can you tell what it now is?

As a piano player and even more a piano tuner, I am well aware of vibration. Notes on a piano, tuning forks, oscillators and so on all exist. We are vibrational. But people speak of raising thier vibration, and other than the feeling or belief that you raise it, I dont see how you can know.

When someone can hook a person up to a measuring device to make a reading of thier vibration, let me know.

Running deer, Im with you on whatever grounds you. I practice generosity, kindness, care for strangers by" seeing" them, love , love of animals and insects where and when possible.
But language and its meaning, matters to me .

Maybe the high vibration is always running through you ?
To hear a piano somebody needs to be playing it .
But to hear and tune into the higher frequency you need to pay attention to it somehow .
Like you have electricity in your home at all times but only way you notice it is when you plug something in , when you use it .

When you do not does it mean the electricity aint there ?

[leavesoftrees]

The title of your thread is interesting You imply that you think raising your vibration is BS but a part of you wants to be convinced otherwise.


Most people would agree if you locked yourself in a room with a crate of scotch, orJm bean for a week you’d emerge with your vibration seriously lowered. The opposite must also be true - but you have to figure out what it is that will raise your vibration.

[Jad]

Try jumping on a trampoline and watch your vibration rise in real time!

[shaberon]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
Im asking can you raise your vibration? The word "Raise" implies a measure increase from what it was. How do you measure what it was, and how can you tell what it now is?

As a piano player and even more a piano tuner, I am well aware of vibration. Notes on a piano, tuning forks, oscillators and so on all exist. We are vibrational. But people speak of raising thier vibration, and other than the feeling or belief that you raise it, I dont see how you can know.

I forgot about that. I've known one piano tuner. Perhaps something can be said about how some of the intervals are out-of-tune. I don't exactly recall but I think it was so certain harmonic series would not outgrow or become too loud compared to the root notes.


To address the thread generally, unfortunately Kirlian photography is a photoelectric effect that is not a true reading like if we use a computer to map an x-ray reading that is normally invisible.

Instead, it is true that living cells emit faint UV radiation which can be detected.


I, personally, am in favor of using objective measurements wherever possible, and making a clear distinction when we are talking in subjective terms. Otherwise we get a semantic quagmire where we will be pro or con this term "raise" and so forth. Again I would have to say brain waves are perfectly measurable, but if so then the key is to lower them in both frequency and amplitude.

In that sense, I agree with Doug's premise that if there is "something", what is it and how do you measure it?

At the same time, it is true we must in other circumstances use metaphorical language. For example we can post statistics on electrical impulses from the eye to the brain, but, objectively, nothing is known about what you see, hear, etc., because you are creating your own perception. For example, when you hallucinate, the eye is actually projecting its own image, which can be detected. Normally, it would project an instantaneous reflection of the previous split second, which gives you a feeling of continuity from moment to moment; so what you see is more like this reverse action of the retina, rather than the input.

To speak subjectively, if one were to raise anything, I would tend to call it less likely as any mode of vibration, but, rather, the state of perception. Something like turning off a noisy crowd to hear a faint whisper.

I will dig around for something measurable, since the question is less about how do you describe what you feel or believe, but I think in the objective sense the correspondence will not be "raise", and maybe the opposite.

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Here are a few ideas that would tend to refute "raise", but do give us something measurable or objective that would tend to support "re-align" and similar expressions.



This is an axiomatic argument. In other words, we have a thesis subjected to inquiries, tests, and further research.

The basic principle is as suggested by Max Tegmark of MIT, consciousness is a state of matter:

By “matter,” he doesn’t mean that somewhere in the deep recesses of your brain is a small bundle of liquid, sloshing around and powering your sense of self and your awareness of the world. Instead, Tegmark suggests that consciousness arises out of a particular set of mathematical conditions, and there are varying degrees of consciousness—just as certain conditions are required to create varying states of vapor, water, and ice. In turn, understanding how consciousness functions as a separate state of matter could help us come to a more thorough understanding of why we perceive the world the way we do.

By "mathematical", it means we are looking at quantum mechanics and the interaction of numerous wave fields. That's what we mean by "plasma", such as from Ma 2018:

This article studies the quantum effect of the brain neuronal system on both normal and abnormal conscious states. It develops Plasma Brain Dynamics (PBD) to obtain a set of kinetic quantum-plasma Wigner-Poisson equations. The model is established under typical electrostatic and collision-free conditions in both the absence and presence of an external magnetic field. The quantum perturbation is solved analytically by employing a backward-mapping approach to the motion of electrons. Results expose that the quantum perturbation turns out to be zero at normal conscious states; but no more than 11% of the classical perturbation under assumed abnormal situations like a sudden head trauma, mood disorder, etc. The introduction of the magnetic field does not influence the results.

Now, if we look at the electrical considerations of the body, the brain is weak. It is really the heart that generates a much more powerful field with a radius of twelve up to about thirty feet. Those are "your vibrations" aren't they -- yes, of course it is.

The mathematical ideas have been combined with some metaphysical concepts by Evtimova 2007, explaining the heart field as a torus interacting with an inductor/solenoid and a time-dependent electric dipole. This is a pdf of a powerpoint presentation so I can't link the imagery and formulas. It may not be the final word, but is a basic proposition coming from the PhD level.

Jon Whale and Gemstone Therapy is a related procedure.

They use Castaneda's term Assemblage Point with the main concern being that it warps or slips out of position. In other words, the mathematical heart is not the same as the electro-mechanical one, which would be painful or fatal immediately if it moved.



Adamski 2020 is a few pages of dense information according to the premise:

In this new bioelectronics approach, quantum psychology begins to
appear showing human cognition in the aspect of quantum processes.
In this psychology it is postulated to present the man in a quantum way
together with an electronic personality. In the bioelectronics model of
life, the biological system is understood as an integrated system with
piezoelectric, pyroelectric and protein semiconductor elements, DNA,
RNA and melanin nucleic acids. In this integrated system, control is
carried out through a network of electronic, photon, phonon, spin,
soliton and bioplasma information channels. In bioplasma terms, each
of these channels can be an information carrier in itself, or can function
as a team, as in Bose-Einstein condensate.

If you start following the concepts, it will be obvious why this research doesn't get major grants, because it would put the medical industry out of business. You won't get sick.

It does mean that "cold" math and physics people are looking at this as a superior explanation to the "molecules" paradigm that heavily conditions medicine.

Jon Whale is an engineer, meaning he is less theoretical and just makes devices to see if they work. According to his site, it can even treat psoriasis:








None of this talks about making you "higher" or "better" than something. It's about health and mental health, because nothing is separate or exists in isolation.

My counter-claim so far is that for well-being, you need to decrease the well-known vibrations of brain activity, and integrate, align, or harmonize a panel of quantum fields, which correspond to plasma dynamics.

It's not carved in stone as the ultimate solution, but it is new questions being reflected through something which is measurable.