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    Why wouldn't it be possible? Are we really in a place to judge what is and is not possible in the Cosmos at this point as a species?
    I'm not aware I said anything was impossible. I'm confused what made you say this.

    I said that is response to your quote:
    "I'm not so sure our souls can retain memory like our brains can. I'm not sure you are accurate there. And you didn't answer, are they infants in their new bodies or do they grow the full body??

    It is very possible every past life case of full memories was due to covert technology. They keep track of all our thoughts and life situations from life to life etc so it wouldn't nec. be a delusion... I think you can energetically feel out details in the soul if they are imprinted with enough depth, but things like pictures etc I do not believe are within the soul... I think it is more energetic."


    Quote If they are from our space/time they may not experience time the way we do nor do they have the biological life cycle of being "infant, child, adult, elder and so on".
    I'm a firm believer in time. I think all beings who experience life, are involved in time. I agree they may experience it differently, but they have a linear life in the cosmos is what I mean. (Time/Space - Space/Time are illusions, our minds can't wrap around the concepts, the hardware & software won't process it... Yet are we placing possibilities on what we cannot fathom?) you didn't really answer the question though. Are their new bodies babies or fully grown? (I FULLY answered the question...) This is the biggest problem I can find if no amnesia life to life... And wouldn't things get a bit boring after a while? (That is what Ascension to the higher vibratory Densities is supposed to be all about, different level of experiences)... Say you had been experiencing the universe for 50,000 years continuously without a new life. How would that be eventually? I'd think you would have to resort to synthetic means to stay interested in much after a long time... (YES, I am the first to say that would suck... sounds like being stuck in a cosmic toilet bowl for eternity, good thing that is not how it is said to work.)

    And I can only go on what I have observed. I haven't observed pictures from my soul. I do believe we can logically deduce pictures from soul energetics though.
    I too ONLY go with WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED and EXPERIENCED... That is what we should go off of and not off of crazy second hand stories and hear say... Keep up with chasing your truth at your speed. Like I have said before we are all floating around in our own reality bubbles. We barely understand Consciousness let alone these other concepts which are far less important to us at the moment. Consciousness and our ability to expand it and open more of the subconscious mind to our waking existence will help us fix the issues on this little planet that for now keep us all so separated from the answers to these other questions we have. IMHO as always...

    K, that is about as far as I think I can go on the topic right now. Thanks again for the post.

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    I would definitely disagree with you on this topic, Omniverse.

    There really isn't anything that I would disagree with concerning Corey's assessment. There are some things that I would like to add, however.

    Based on my research and observations, it does seem that there is a spiritual progression written into the fabric of the cosmos which all souls climb, like the rungs of a ladder (think: Freemason Jacob's Ladder). Some people call these dimensions, but I prefer to call them Densities.

    If I'm not mistaken, I recall that you do not "believe" in the Densities that make up spiritual progression. To me it makes a whole lot of sense on a quantum level. Taken from Mark Passio's presentation on Natural Law:

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    Think of the three strait, parallel lines as being Truth. The three colored wavelengths (red, green, and blue) represent the perceptions of three different souls. The red wavelength is a slow vibration that does not align with the Truth as much as the blue vibration, which is aligned with the Truth a lot more. This is indicative of how often the colored lines touch the strait white lines.

    As a soul progresses and aligns itself with Truth by living WITH Natural Law, it accumulates a higher vibration that touches the white strait line much more often. When it reaches a certain frequency, it "ascends" to the next Density or evolves into a new state of being, where it learns new lessons. It's frequency matches the Density that has a prerequisite vibration for the soul to enter.

    The levels are called "Densities" because vibration has everything to do with mass/volume. The third Density, which is what many claim Earth humans are in, would be considered a LOW density, because most people do not align themselves with Truth at a high rate. Even those who do align themselves with Truth are still in Kindergarten compared to advanced E.T.s. Earth human souls are extremely dense, because their awareness is compacted in a very tight box (mass/volume), so to speak.

    Advanced E.T. races, say, from the sixth Density, are at a much higher vibration. They would be represented as the blue wavelength, because they align themselves with Natural Law much more than those on a lower Density. The blue line hits the horizontal white line (Truth) much more frequently because they are molding themselves with the Truth to the point where they are almost indistinguishable to it.

    The goal of the soul is to reach the point where the colored line (wavelength) vibrates at such a high frequency where it is completely indistinguishable to the Truth, and has melted into the fabric of the universe. The souls has reached the destination of being one with the universe, instead of a fractal of the whole.

    The lower the Density Unit Number, the more "dense" a soul is because of twisted perceptions. The higher the Density Unit Number, the less "dense" a soul is because of a lack of perceptions.

    That being said, my experience, research, and observations suggest that advanced E.T.s have conquered death. When their body (physical vehicle) dies, they get a new body that looks exactly like their damaged one. Or if they prefer, they get a different body that suits their preferences. But nonetheless, they retain ALL of their memories, and simply get a new body to continue learning lessons in their current Density.

    When an advanced E.T., say, from the 4th Density has learned all of the lessons 4th Grade offers (4th Density), their high vibration fits into a grade that is conducive for the higher vibration. They move to the 5th Grade because their soul is vibrating with a high frequency because they aligned themselves with Truth. The 5th Density offers a variety of new lessons for them to acknowledge, understand, and grow from. And up, up, up they go until they become one with the universe.

    Just like a 4th grader on Earth cannot enter the 5th grade without prerequisite knowledge and understanding, the Laws of the universe disallow a soul to progress without learning the necessary lessons.

    They are so advanced that it is unheard of to have memories wiped clean. Third Density is a special case because it is the toughest frequency to match. A soul must reincarnate with amnesia to learn new lessons. But advanced E.T.s do not reincarnate...they just switch bodies when their meat suit is damaged or they want a different body to appeal to their needs and desires.

    I have also been told that E.T.s can CHOOSE when they want to "ascend" because they can acknowledge when they learned the necessary lessons, so they move up to the next Density when they feel they are ready. This is very different to Earth humans who have no idea how this all works, and will most likely "ascend" without consciously understanding why. But it's because they aligned themselves with Truth.

    Concerning "starseeds," I think that this is also a special case. I would bet that most of these E.T. souls coming in to volunteer (much like a 5th grader volunteering their time to tutor 4th graders), do so out of kindness. But what most people do not think about is that these E.T. souls are also doing this for the sake of their own spiritual evolution.

    Just like a 5th grader tutors a 4th grader because it makes them look good to their teachers, and they get rewarded with special benefits compared to other 5th graders. E.T. souls most likely get a "boost" in their own spiritual evolution, because experiencing the LOW vibration of a third Density planet probably offers them IMMENSE understanding at their higher Density life.

    Kind of like a college student going abroad to immerse themselves with a culture, they learn SO MUCH more from the interaction and going out in the field than staying inside their university and memorizing a book. Experiencing a different culture gives them a greater awareness and understanding and alignment with Truth.

    These starseeds/indigos/wanderers most likely get a spiritual boost, so when they leave this lifetime on Earth, they snap back into their real bodies in the higher Density and are ready to move on to the next grade (Density).

    I feel that I could write a whole book about this...
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    Quote Posted by SamwiseTheBrave (here)
    I would definitely disagree with you on this topic, Omniverse.

    There really isn't anything that I would disagree with concerning Corey's assessment. There are some things that I would like to add, however.
    I'm not sure how. He said basically the same thing I did except his idea is they know who they are life to life. Mine is it could be either way...



    Quote If I'm not mistaken, I recall that you do not "believe" in the Densities that make up spiritual progression. To me it makes a whole lot of sense on a quantum level.
    I think the densities are one of the biggest works of disinformation out there in the new age personally. If it is not real, they used lots of correlating things in an ingenius way. They know the micro/macrocosmic nature of the universe and associated them with chakras. If it is real, there is interwoven within the Ra material disinformation about densities IMO.

    Can you give even a shred of scientific evidence of the densities? I'd like to see it. If there was higher and lower densities you'd think we could observe such things by observing matter in other areas.

    I also am not sure about the whole "higher frequency" concepts. I'm not sure if the highest frequencies of mind, is what you would even want. And I doubt that such is really an apex of consciousness.. Also, truth does not make your mind a higher frequency by my experiences, maybe temporarily but you will return to your normal idle brainwaves eventually.... It does have effects on the soul though..

    Is love truly a higher frequency than fear? I'd like to know that. I mean in neuroscience not new age beliefs. I have had some very high frequency fear put into me synthetically before.

    Quote Taken from Mark Passio's presentation on Natural Law:
    Are you saying Mark Passio believes in densities? Or you just took the image from Mark Passio and are writing your own version based on his ideas? I can't view the image, too small

    Quote Just like a 4th grader on Earth cannot enter the 5th grade without prerequisite knowledge and understanding, the Laws of the universe disallow a soul to progress without learning the necessary lessons.
    Isn't 4d some earth ascension thing? And not individual? How would you explain planetary ascension? What causes it?
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    I think the densities are one of the biggest works of disinformation out there in the new age personally.
    I agree. But isn't there disinformation in every facet of the Truth movement...?

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    Can you give even a shred of scientific evidence of the densities? I'd like to see it. If there was higher and lower densities you'd think we could observe such things by observing matter in other areas.
    Yes, I can. Look at a radio and how it functions. There are many stations tuned to different frequencies. But a radio can only tune into one frequency for it to function properly. But that does not mean the other stations are not there. Just like a radio has higher frequencies, a human can only pick up on one at a time. Our five-senses limit us to only pick up on the frequencies the radio puts out, but that does not mean that there aren't higher frequencies we cannot access.

    On an evolutionary level, wolves have evolved the capability of hearing higher frequencies than humans. This is only one example, but a simple one that illustrates that evolution does work when it comes to the capability of being grounded in a new state of being. The ancestors of wolves were not able to pick up on high frequencies, and therefore, operated on a different level with different behavior depending on their surroundings.

    On a spiritual level, it makes sense that an intelligent, self-aware race can evolve the capability of operating on a higher frequency, but first they must learn the necessary lessons to be able to. Metaphorically, in order for a person to hear a high frequency that a radio puts out, they need to acquire the necessary traits to do so. Like a wolf evolves advanced ears to hear prey, a human evolves a higher awareness by aligning to the Truth. Like a wolf evolves the advanced hearing capacity to be fit in its environment, a human aligns itself with Truth to develop the capacity to be fit in its environment. Just like a wolf evolves to a new state of being and interacting with its environment differently, a human evolves into a new state of being and interacts with its environment differently.

    It's all written into the fabric of biology.

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    Is love truly a higher frequency than fear?
    Yes, because Love is operating in alignment with Natural Law. Love is also written into the fabric of the universe, and this is speaking scientifically. I also dislike New Age crap, but this CAN be explained scientifically. There have been experiments where a beautiful tone was played to water, which turned into beautiful, functional snowflakes, and angry tones being played to water that turned into mis-shaped, dysfunctional flakes. Which snowflake do you think would achieve its purpose, that is, to fall from the sky at a rate conducive to the natural climate?

    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    Are you saying Mark Passio believes in densities? Or you just took the image from Mark Passio and are writing your own version based on his ideas?
    I do not know how Mark feels about the Density system. I only used that picture because it illustrated my point.

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    Isn't 4d some earth ascension thing? And not individual? How would you explain planetary ascension? What causes it?
    Because humans are tied with the planet they are born on, and their mood, behavior, and actions correlate with the mood, behavior, and actions of the planet. Humans share a collective consciousness, which can also be explained by science. If people are in a constant state of fear and anxiety, then Mother Earth will produce weather patterns that match that state of mind. If humans are aligned with the Truth, then the planet will also align itself with the Truth. Humans are like the cells of the Earth who are fractal representations of the entity's personality.
    "Rather than love, than fame, than money, give me truth."
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    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    I think the densities are one of the biggest works of disinformation out there in the new age personally.
    I agree. But isn't there disinformation in every facet of the Truth movement...?
    Pretty much...

    Quote Yes, I can. Look at a radio and how it functions. There are many stations tuned to different frequencies. But a radio can only tune into one frequency for it to function properly. But that does not mean the other stations are not there. Just like a radio has higher frequencies, a human can only pick up on one at a time. Our five-senses limit us to only pick up on the frequencies the radio puts out, but that does not mean that there aren't higher frequencies we cannot access.
    I don't see that as evidence for densities though. Other dimensions surely exist. The densities are in microcosms and macrocosms yes. But that is not enough to make them credible to me.

    Quote Yes, because Love is operating in alignment with Natural Law. Love is also written into the fabric of the universe, and this is speaking scientifically. I also dislike New Age crap, but this CAN be explained scientifically.
    That still doesn't answer the question though. Fear is woven into the nature and fabric of the universe as well. All emotions are.

    As for it being a higher frequency, where did you find that information? I have never seen a neuroscience document saying that higher frequency things are the good things, and lower frequency things are the bad things. In fact I am going to contact a neuroscientist of some sort to ask that question....

    Quote There have been experiments where a beautiful tone was played to water, which turned into beautiful, functional snowflakes, and angry tones being played to water that turned into mis-shaped, dysfunctional flakes. Which snowflake do you think would achieve its purpose, that is, to fall from the sky at a rate conducive to the natural climate?
    Our thoughts and energies no doubt effect our surroundings.

    By your philosophy humans are way off course. 99.99999% of the world is delusional. lol

    Enjoying the conversation though. Thanks.

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    Thank you for the interesting article kfm27917. I'll add the video mentioned in the article posted, I haven't listened to the video yet but it looks interesting

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    Thank you for the interesting article kfm27917. I'll add the video mentioned in the article posted, I haven't listened to the video yet but it looks interesting

    Here are the time stamps, summary and Bill's response to the video.
    UFO Roundtable: CIA Physicist Proves Aliens Exist!
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    He spent decades inside the world's most classified intelligence circles…now quantum physicist Dr. Hal Puthoff and filmmaker Dan Farah reveal why the greatest cover-up in human history may finally be unravelling.

    Dr. Hal Puthoff is a quantum physicist who has worked with the NSA and CIA, advised the US government on UAP science, and served as chief science advisor to Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace. Dan Farah is the Director and Producer of The Age of Disclosure, a landmark documentary produced in secret over three and a half years, featuring testimony from US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Navy fighter pilots, admirals, generals, and senior intelligence community leaders.

    They explain:
    • How the US government has been covering up non-human intelligent life since the 1940s
    • Why crashed UAP craft have allegedly been recovered — with non-human bodies inside
    • How a secret "Legacy Program" operated for decades outside of Congressional and White House oversight
    • Why UAPs have been repeatedly spotted hovering over US nuclear weapons sites... and switching off missiles
    • How the US is entered a covert technology race with China and Russia to reverse-engineer non-human craft
    • What Trump's historic declassification directive actually revealed (and what's still being hidden)
    • Why Elon Musk may know more than he's legally allowed to say
    • Why UAP is the most bipartisan issue in Washington right now
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    He spent decades inside the world's most classified intelligence circles…now quantum physicist Dr. Hal Puthoff and filmmaker Dan Farah reveal why the greatest cover-up in human history may finally be unravelling.

    Ha. I'm watching this right now, just half an hour in.

    So far Dan Farah has done most of the talking, but Hal Puthoff is impressive considering he'll be 90 (ninety!) years old next month. As some members may know, I've had the privilege of spending a little personal time with Hal (1:1 for two days, back in 2006) and I can more than confirm his intelligence, experience and sincerity. He doesn't know everything, but he knows a lot and has always been honest about what he does know and understand, within the constraints of his several security oaths.

    As I've remarked before, Dan Farah is extremely cautious and is only focused on dealing with the contemporary 'mainstream' of UFO disclosure advocates within official circles. You'll never hear him referencing Leonard Stringfield, Stanton Friedman, Richard Dolan, Steven Greer, or (heaven forbid!) Bob Lazar, Dan Burisch or Chris Bledsoe. He'd rather tip his hat to Marco Rubio, and that tells you something.

    There's a huge amount of credible information he won't touch with a very long barge pole. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he's working closely with many officials in DC and the Pentagon, needs to keep their trust, and understands that he has to go easy on some aspects of the issue or else the mainstream news channels won't go near him.

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