Zionism, Ufology, the Apocalypse, and the Dawn of the Messianic Age

[shaberon]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
Basically, my idea here is that war related events (mostly the war in Israel, but perhaps what is happening now in Iran, and also perhaps the wars the occurred in Iraq in the last 35 years) are being driven by various occult belief systems about something imminent and apocalyptic . These beliefs could be based on ancient prophesy, modern revelations (channeling, ET encounters, Marian apparitions, etc.), obscure science, and some hidden interpretation of the combination of these ideas. There are ideas that are circulating in the hallways of government by the operators we do see (government, military) and also by those we don't (the "deep state", secret societies.)

This is a "thing" in the sociological sense, Millennialism perhaps, which has incidents starting in about our year 1,000.

My response is it is the most dangerous type of belief to have.

St-Yves, the author of the Synarchy material, wrote his first book in response to the Jehovah's Witnesses I think, who were for sure Jesus was returning around 1870. This got taken very seriously in France. Instead, he promoted the Agartha idea, which was taken up most seriously by Thule Gessellschaft, and is being used in Ukraine right now.

What we have over here is a form of Accelerationism, and I don't like to dwell on it.

The origin of these things is Sassanian Zoroastrianism and Manicheism.

What can be found in Biblical critique is certain lines, e. g. in Ezekiel are given an interpretation.

"But," they will say, "what about what is in the Book of Revelation?"

Answer:

Revelation has never been taught in Christianity and it is not even used for readings.


It was admitted into the canon somewhat reluctantly, just for personal contemplation. So, almost every thing in this field or subject is an assertion, a claim. The whole eschatology is a re-working of late Zoroastrianism. It's not found with Zoroaster himself.

I would suggest it exploits fear of death.

Because I lack this, none of that stuff works on me.

For the most part I would agree with the quote, there being one main doctrine of Zionism, but multiple facets can operate in order to eat your mind one way or another.

I might tend to say wars are mostly economical, whereas this psycho-sociological factor is grease for the fire. It keeps happening in different ways, like the Proteus of Accelerationism, which I would rather not succeed.

[Kryztian]

Posted by shaberon (here)

This is a "thing" in the sociological sense, Millennialism perhaps, which has incidents starting in about our year 1,000.

Yes, comparable to millennialism, but some differences:

1) Millenialism is usually based on one (or maybe two) ideas, while this is based on numerous different ideas that have completely different sources (Chabad/Lubavitcher prophesy, Marian apparitions, Chris Bledsoe contact experiences, ancient scripture etc., etc., etc.)

2) Millenialists put their ideas out there in the open, whereas most of the people here are pretty mum about what they actually believe. I was wondering if part of the plan is to knock down the Dome of the Rock and build the next Temple of Hiram Abiff. But I had no proof of this until I heard that Pete Hegseth announced the plan himself.

3) The goal of millenialists is their own salvation, and the salvation of others. I think the goal of many here is to exert even more power and control over the rest of humanity that survives the upcoming event.

My response is it is the most dangerous type of belief to have.

Amen. And who knows, these ideas might be the most dangerous to the ones who hold these beliefs and are acting on them.

[Kryztian]

Tucker Carlson: It dawned on me the other day, years after it dawned on you, that there are no secular leaders of anything and that people pose as "science-based" and non-religious, but everyone who has power in the world is religious. I have noticed they just have different religions. And you've been on this for a very long time. So let's just start as big as we can. What's the purpose of communing with the supernatural for leaders? Why do leaders do it?

Sean Stone: [...] Someone said this to me. There are non-powerful people who are Freemasons, but there are no powerful people who are not Freemasons.

Tucker Carlson: Freemasons.

Sean Stone: Freemasons.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lthBJP3wMLk

[DNA]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
According to Madame Blavatsky Saturn,Moloch and Baal all represent the same God.
We could probably slap the Gnostic term Yaldaboath on this same entity.

That should be cited because it is conflatory.

There is no Baal. There are the Baals, subsidiaries of El.

The main difference being exposed is that Yaldabaoth is merely a single Baal, the one favored by Judea and re-named. It was then used to mentally delete the others, so we don't understand them.

Here is the question.
Is it real?
People are so used to talking about this stuff with the framing of mythology no one ever stops to ask this question.
Is this entity the control mechanism referred to in the Watchawski movies?

Edgar Cayce talks about the war in Atlantis being between the children of light and the sons of Belial which is probably the same thing as Baal so Saturn worship goes back to Atlantis if you want to take Edgar Cayce seriously.

Belial comes from a phrase meaning "worthlessness", so, it is definitely not the same as any Baals.

Hebrew and Latin are quite young languages and don't "go back" to anything. But if you look at Virgil, the "Golden Age of Saturn" -- i. e., pre-Roman Latium -- was stolen and re-interpreted as a prophecy about Jesus. It's not. It was a cherished memory until forgotten.



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Human sacrifice is so universal all through history including contemporary history.
Is this all to Baal, Saturn?

Is Saturn a real thing, entity?

Saturn is a Latin re-naming of Greek Cronos, so the question would be if Cronos is real.

The Latin name happened to be used for a person, the founder of Latium culture, before this Greek interchange was apparent.

What is all the evidence of sacrifices? Allegations? If I look at the largest ancient culture, IVC, it is nearly impossible to find weapons. Although there may be centers of slain people, occasionally, "universal" would not be an adequate description.


See, for example, this post referencing Baal Peor (Belphegor) as the focus of Israeli ritual abuse. It's not "Baal", it is a specific practice of the Moabites. Is it authentic to what they are doing now?



I would say that "demonology" is swill because "demon" is already a Jewish mis-appropriation of language.

On the other hand, Jesus said you cannot serve Elaha and mamon (money). This is perfectly meaningful. But "money" has been capitalized and re-ified into Mammon, that is, a being who lives in hell, is fat, covered with snot, has wings, and visits you every twenty minutes. This idea was coined in or about the 1500s.

Well, what we definitely have is....servants of money.

And so what is going around is a load of unhelpful fantasies, made up in relatively recent times. The truly ancient writings make no mention of this whatsoever. It's mostly an attempt to "demonize" someone else's pantheon, whereas prior to that, there was an attempt to understand the same thing in different languages.

I'm sure that a bunch of made-up things are saturating the military, the government, the civilians...after all, they can't sell original truth.

Automaton of dust.

Bro this is why no one talks to you.
You're too busy trying to act like the smartest guy in the room
It ends up making you look like a dumb@ss.
Instead of answering the question you argue semantics.

Read the room bro.
Stop trying to act so smart.
Try participating instead of perpetrating.
It's a conversation not a dissertation.

I thought about erasing this but in all honesty it is something you need to think about.
Also it will piss Krystian off because it is off topic.
And you have to jump on those opportunities when you can.
Nothing but love Shebaron.
Go back and try honestly answering the question.
Simple answer.
Usually accomplished in two paragraphs or less.
Remember less is more
Peace brother

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DNA (here)
trying to act like the smartest guy in the room

Marcus, do take a moment to read through shaberon's posts on his thread Pawlsy the Cat is Her Name.

He is the smartest guy in the room.

[shaberon]

Posted by DNA (here)
I thought about erasing this but in all honesty it is something you need to think about.
Also it will piss Krystian off because it is off topic.

Thanks for the free advice.

You 100% copied a supposedly excessive post without responding to a single one of the subjects.

He did.

[shaberon]

Posted by Kryztian (here)
1) Millenialism is usually based on one (or maybe two) ideas, while this is based on numerous different ideas that have completely different sources (Chabad/Lubavitcher prophesy, Marian apparitions, Chris Bledsoe contact experiences, ancient scripture etc., etc., etc.)

2) Millenialists put their ideas out there in the open, whereas most of the people here are pretty mum about what they actually believe. I was wondering if part of the plan is to knock down the Dome of the Rock and build the next Temple of Hiram Abiff.

Point taken.

Meaning the human mind -- or at least the Euro-American one whose literature and deeds we are within -- didn't have a whole lot of contents besides the Bible until quite recent times. Most of the other sources are quite new, and a disconnect from anything truly ancient, composed of their own imagination.

The traditional sources continue to exist, so there is a lot of momentum in a similar direction. The millions of Zionists around me are certainly very small-minded, because it's a refusal to listen or to accept any questions about their serious belief. But then you could argue, these are not power brokers in Washington, or on the international level, which of course is why the Epstein saga is a bit dismantling. Something from the second category of sources may be present.

It's indisputable that Zionism is a power/control method, for which the easiest route is aquiescence via mind control. The better we understand the eruption of dangerous ideas, the better we can inoculate, at least, ourselves against it.


The parallel that I know of, is not terribly specific, more like a conglomerate. If peculiar ideas coming from the 1920s could be described as "New Age", this was captured by a fellow called Maurice Strong in Colorado. He was a Canadian industrialist de-industrialist; in other words, also behind green/environmentalist movements. When asked about the future of industrial countries like Canada, they "go poof". An expose' was posted on the forum by someone other than me.

What was going on was an attempt to sandbag counterculture or human will. He brought together diverse groups like Tibetan Buddhists and Native American shamen. So then you get, for example, a Navajo, who has taken on a weak, watered-down Jesus, who is then ripe for a Millennial or more extreme Apocalyptic belief. That's kind of the idea. The American and the Tibetan have both been removed from their authenticity and wrapped into some "global mission" that doesn't really do anything.

Yes, the idea of survival of a mega-event is a motivation at work here. However Mr. Strong passed away somewhat unexpectedly; by now, several re-iterations are likely. We are pretty close to creating an oil catastrophe, and/or Greater Israel, leaps and bounds beyond the Strong era.

[Kryztian]

Posted by DNA (here)
mething you need to think about.
Also it will piss Krystian off because it is off topic.

What I find upsetting is that you posed a question and one of the most intelligent members on the forum took it seriously and took the time and effort to write a detailed and thoughtful response.

I just want to give a big shout out to Shabeon and many other Avalon members that take the time to write intelligent posts and continue to do so despite some of the abuse they endure. We also need a "Thanks, no I really, really mean it, Thanks!" button (in addition to the regular "Thanks" button) we can click.

[DNA]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
I thought about erasing this but in all honesty it is something you need to think about.
Also it will piss Krystian off because it is off topic.

Thanks for the free advice.

You 100% copied a supposedly excessive post without responding to a single one of the subjects.

He did.

I made a reference to Edgar Cayce.
You told me the terminology was wrong due to a Latin spelling and tried to correct me.
Do you know who Edgar Cayce is?
I don't think you do otherwise you wouldn't have tried to negate his contribution due to a Latin spelling correlation.
Cayce has a direct line to the akashic records and has proved it.
More so than Blavatsky.

If Cayce says there was a cult in Atlantis called the children of Belial from 12,000 years ago that probably negates a one thousand year old semantic interpretation from Latin.

In this forum I may make the mistake of taking it for granted that you know what Bohemian Grove is and that context for Moloch.
That you were aware of the WikiLeaks publication of Hilary Clintons emails and the veritable admission of John podesta and Hilary Clinton in performing child sacrifices and torture to Moloch.

I suppose I'm guilty of assuming you are aware of the Jeffrey Epstein emails proclaiming the torture, sacrifice and cannibalism of children
While involving the most successful famous rich people in the world all while in service of Zionists in Israel which begs the question is the Judaic God really Saturn.
The Kyzarian Jews are the archetype for Hansel and Gretals child eating witch.
Is that a thing?
History books are sanitized to such a degree we can't find this kind of answer there.
It's in our contemporary world we will see these things.

I'm looking at this from an abstract perspective and I'm not concerned so much with literal translations being as a God should be known by their actions and demands more so than their name, and that name would change according to different tongues and cultures.

In bone shards of the skin Walker linger by Haas Lohres he recants an actual story of a skinwalker told by their surviving child in northern Arizona.
The number one way to spot a skinwalker is their sudden rise to wealth and the requirement is the murder of a child preferably their own.

I apologize for my crassness and retort due to my perceived slight in your negation of my question.

I'm getting closer and closer to thinking this is the truth though.
It's a scary question.
It's so scary many folks refuse to entertain it in conversation due to it's implications.

[Kryztian]

Sir Isaac Newton was one of the greatest scientific and mathematical minds of all time. He invented the fundamental theorems of differential calculus, developed the basic laws of motion, and also revolutionised the science of optics.

All of his scientific achievements were done in the service of his quest for God, and he devoted a significant portion of his life to theological studies and biblical scholarship. For him, religion and science were two sides of the same coin.

Biblical Prophecy: Newton believed that the Temple held clues to understanding biblical prophecies, including the end of times. He sought to decode these prophecies using the Bible's dimensions and descriptions of the Temple.

Architectural Dimensions: Newton meticulously studied the measurements of the Temple, as detailed in the Bible and other historical sources such as Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews. He thought the Temple's design reflected divine order and could reveal secrets about God's plan.

Symbolism and theology: Newton saw the Temple as a microcosm of the universe, representing cosmic order and harmony. This interest aligned with his broader search for universal truths in nature and scripture.

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from "Sir Isaac Newton and Judaism"
by Bluma Gordon
The scientist’s recently disclosed private papers reveal his deep reverence for ancient Jewish wisdom.
full article: https://aish.com/sir-isaac-newton-an...BZxXzAYdNYMLsg

ir Isaac Newton was one of the greatest scientists of all time. Some of his most outstanding discoveries include the laws of optics or the physics of light, the three laws of motion, the laws of gravity, and calculus. He is also famous for his Principia Mathematica, the most widely read scientific work of all time, in which he explains the motions of the planets in a single mathematical system. Born in an age that embraced rationalism and shunned religious authority, Newton was also hailed as a hero of his era. Yet, recent divulgement of Newton’s personal writings challenges all common assumptions about his true identity.

Newton’s Private Beliefs

Newton’s private beliefs have been under the radar for hundreds of years, perhaps because of their unfavorable reception. Bernard Cohen’s book Franklin and Newton discusses the first time scientists discovered Newton’s personal manuscripts: He quotes John Maynard Keynes, the British great economist: “‘Upon his death in 1727, a very big box of unusual papers was discovered in his room. Bishop Samuel Horsley, who was also a scientist, was asked to inspect the box with view to publication. He saw the contents with horror and slammed the lid...’ shut.” The recent disclosure of Newton’s private manuscripts revealed that Newton was far from the archetype rationalist he was originally assumed to be.



After being tucked away for 200 years, Newton’s manuscripts were finally auctioned off in 1936. Keynes, The Babson family in America, and Israeli Professor Avraham Shalom Yahuda bought the majority of them and donated them to university libraries around the world. These manuscripts have been made available in the past 25 years.
Newton’s “strange” interests

It’s no wonder that both Christian and secular-minded scientists who had originally revered Newton had little incentive to publicize their findings. Newton’s manuscripts revealed that he took a keen interest in “archaic” Jewish wisdom. Newton’s knowledge of Jewish thought was not superficial; he referred to rabbinic works such as the Aramaic Version of Esther, Vayikra Rabba, the commentaries of Sa'adia HaGaon, Ibn Ezra, Rashi, Sifra, R. Aharon ibn Hayyim; Seder Ma'amadot (about the daily sacrifices) the Bartinurah and Talmudic passages from the Babylonian and Jerusalem Talmud in Latin. One of Newton’s manuscripts was entitled “On Maimonides,” where he quoted the Latin translation of Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah. 1

[...]

Newton’s Scientific Works and Maimonides

What may have irked scientists more than Newton’s private beliefs and practices was how he applied these beliefs to his theological and scientific studies. Parallels of Newton’s philosophy and Maimonides’ teachings are interwoven in his manuscripts. For example, Newton used Maimonides' "Laws of Sanctification of the New Moon" in his notes on “considerations about rectifying the Julian calendar”.

Newton studied the measurements of Solomon’s Temple and the Third Temple to come to a greater understanding of the earth’s dimensions. He understood that the Temple was a microcosm of the earth and “revealed the works of God”, the world’s greatest architect.6

To that end, Newton quoted excerpts from the Latin translation of Maimonides’ De Cultu Divino, where he explained the measurements of the Temple. 7 Newton also preoccupied himself with studies on the Jewish cubit or the amah (measurements used to build the Temple, the tabernacle, and its vessels) and the measurements of The Great Pyramid of Giza, which he believed to have derived from the Jewish cubit. He wasn’t merely dabbling in mathematics; the accuracy of his analysis of the circumference of the earth and his theory on gravity were dependent on these findings. He recorded his calculations of the Jewish cubit in his work A Dissertation upon the Sacred Cubit of the Jews and Cubits of the several Nations."8

Many scientists who feel less than favorably toward Newton’s beliefs and his method of study consider him a fool who dabbled in mysticism and pseudoscience. In response to the critics, John Maynard Keynes wrote: “There was extreme method in his madness...All his unpublished works... are marked by careful learning, accurate method, and extreme sobriety of statement, they (his controversial works) were nearly all composed during the same 25 years of his mathematical studies.”9

Much of Newton’s private life, as well as some of the drafts of his scientific works, is still hidden from us. It’s perhaps no wonder that he hid his true identity and means of study from the public; he would have likely been ostracized and his scientific discoveries immediately dismissed. Sarah Dry, author of The Newton Papers, notes that gaps in his original draft of The Principia suggests that he deliberately concealed them. Says Dry, “And it’s because Newton didn’t want people to know how he had come to his knowledge. I think that might relate to his religious beliefs.”

Newton’s outstanding discoveries single him out as one of the greatest science influencers of all time. Perhaps we can now add his attempt to reconcile ancient scripture with science as yet another unique, albeit undervalued, accomplishment of Sir Isaac Newton.

[Mark]

Basically, my idea here is that war related events (mostly the war in Israel, but perhaps what is happening now in Iran, and also perhaps the wars the occurred in Iraq in the last 35 years) are being driven by various occult belief systems about something imminent and apocalyptic .

I absolutely agree with this. I checked out some of the videos here, and it seems clear that at every level of governmental action, across the world, fundamentalist belief systems are engaged in conflict based upon these older, embedded occult belief systems. The 'imminent and apocalyptic' part of it is what my comment was designed to address. The shift is imminent, we are in it now, the potential is cataclysmic, apocalyptic. I'm well aware of the foundational beliefs, have studied many of them in-depth and the stages are remarkably similar no matter the culture on earth. All systems seem to have some form of awareness of where we are in time and space. That kind of synchronization, despite geophysical positioning, all across the earth, speaks to what I believe to be so, that these are cyclic events that have occurred again and again, with humanity's collective memory being erased each time, hence our monolithic stone 'reminders' all across the earth to give future humanity some indication that something big is always coming at very specific points in the cycle.

It seems to me the two ideas you are focusing here are on:

1) Ideas of astrotheology related to the Precession of the Equinoxes (e.g. "the dawning of the age of Aquarius")

2) Ideas about Earth changes (big topic: the expert on the forum on those matters on this forum is probably Onawah.)


Yeah, I always check out Onawah's threads when I drop by and the precession is indeed a large part of my understanding. As a trained Geographer, the earth and its people have always interested me, so my research has always been informed by a scientific perspective. My own personal mystical experiences have been foundational to that, impacting my personal bias based on direct experience.

The are certainly a lot of Freemasons and other occult groups (Scientologists, Thelemites, etc.) who are quite interested in astrotheology and the CIA and NASA have lots of data on what could be going on beneath the Earth's crust or on energies coming into our solar system, so yeah, these ideas fit in well too.

They have access to information the rest of us don't. I always like to remember that for most of human history, science and religion were one thing. They were not seperate. That they are seperate now is the result of a concentrated and continuing - well, at least until recently - campaign to silo and seperate realms of information as if they were discrete, not continuous. One person learns about finance, another about politics, another about chemistry, another about biology, etc., as if they were all separate from each other when they are not.

I see it as a last ditch effort, since all of this occurred in the USA during the industrialization process in the late 1800s. The education system was parsed and divided, so no one person could make the connections that would lead to a deeper understanding of the nature of the world and reality. That has all broken down now as we perch here upon the edge of the abyss, looking down into the darkness or up into the light. Again, a time that these world cultures seemed to be aware would arrive eventually.


As for what is going to happen next to our dear little planet, I have absolutely no idea. I am mostly interested in the strange humans with their strange beliefs and where they are trying to steer human civilization.

At this point, I believe they are merely attempting to preserve what they have. And they are currently accruing as much capital as possible so they can secure material assets that will support their retreat underground. As the magnetosphere approaches zero and the world continues to fracture into warfare and senseless violence, as people continue to lose their ability to emotionally regulate and conflict continues to increase in homes, in public, in society in general, they will and are removing themselves, as such folk always have across time. Back in the day they had caves for protection, then stone castles, now gated communities, now and later, bunkers, a return to the underground as conditions on the surface get more difficult for some populations.

One of the people I posted about on this thread that I find really fascinating and who really gets overlooked is Haim Eshed.

Will do. I have not heard of them but am always down for a peek at another source of information. I research a lot of things, but withhold belief until it is confirmed by a preponderance of evidence.

I have no idea if there is anyone who has all of the cards, and some of the cards might be utter poppycock designed to get them to accomplish there little part in the story. But I just don't know.

Ditto, man. We can believe many things, but until it becomes real in our individual lives, we cannot truly know.