Gnosis

[Vicus]

This will be nothing news for this forum,because this forum is already about: knowledge.

About Everything! I just wanna ad a drop to it.

I'm not a genius in nothing, only very curious, and not pretend to teach anything and absolute
not to preaching because I'm searching the same like you!

For now ,as introduction 2 little videos from one of my favorite homepage:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2H6dUf2v5hE

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dM8GPZgernI

[arjunaloka_official]

Does Gnosticism outsource responsibility? If so, does it thereby also outsource power?

[sdv]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)
Does Gnosticism outsource responsibility? If so, does it thereby also outsource power?

Gnosticism is actually the opposite. It requires personal responsibility (unlike most religions where you submit to the authority of the church and ultimately god).

[Rawhide68]

It makes me think of what Corbets/Knapps whisselblower Mathew Brown said.
We are living in the Matrix, just much more boring verson than the film .

[arjunaloka_official]

Posted by sdv (here)
It requires personal responsibility (unlike most religions where you submit to the authority of the church and ultimately god).

How would you describe this responsibility, what do you need to do in Gnosticism to achieve liberation? Could you tell the main points or steps?

[arjunaloka_official]

...also, does Gnosticism deny the authority of the Lord?

[petra]

Tom Montalk has a gnosis section located at Https://montalk.net/gnosis

His stuff is what woke me up so to speak. There's many parallels in his work with In The Light of Truth by Abd Ru Shin. I just didn't like the chanelled material and it made a lot more sense when coming from Tom

[Vicus]

Ha! I knew it! open so a Tread would open a can of worms...

That is why I wait so long...first test the waters and now voila! the cat is out of the bag...

But I think we can navigate it , with your little help...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IeUbj_xpv7c

litle by little...

[Vicus]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
It requires personal responsibility (unlike most religions where you submit to the authority of the church and ultimately god).

How would you describe this responsibility, what do you need to do in Gnosticism to achieve liberation? Could you tell the main points or steps?

You need only GNOSIS/ knowledge , and we are already using the best tool for that: internet

You are who decide if the infos are good or not for you, that's why you got a free will , nobody should decide for you, none goverment
slave,none priestess of any kind,none BOOK,none dogma...

Its only up to you!

[shaberon]

It's an umbrella term.

There is, for example, Jewish Gnosticism and Christian Gnosticism, which cannot be identical.

Arguably, Christian Gnosticism is not Christian. All Gnostic texts are based in sayings gospels, whereas the New Testament only has synoptic gospels, that is, ones with biographical information.

Moreover, the main doctrine advanced by the synoptics is physical resurrection, whereas the power in most gnostic streams leads towards a spiritual or "aerial" existence.

Most of these trends were erased, except there are two closed living gnostic societies, the Druze and the Mandeans (who are neither Jewish nor Christian).

Being none of those, personally, I have found what I do is translated as gnosis, and in that sense the language itself would make a gnostic of me, but English is particularly weak for such things. Things are a bit different if you never had any interruption or break in a gnostic view; I don't understand how to take something far more basic and make it more important.

For example, I was told, somewhat recently, that God is external, that you were removed, until you fulfilled an external directive, such as the Ten Commandments. I am completely and totally unable to understand this, and it sounds nothing like any of the gnostic sources.

So this is a big argument against standard theology, containing within itself, numerous refined arguments such as the difference in Valentinus or Plotinus on emanational systems, or Pistis Sophia which portrays a Divine Marriage versus Merkaba which is more like "viewing the presence", lots of different things under the hood here.

[Vicus]

Enough nicety's

Now I'm gonna go hard core...

Gnostic dint called themself so...they called themself Telestai/Teleste something like "who aim to"...

"Gnostics" was a slur word like "smart asses" impose from Irenaeus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus because he cant stand any argument with them...

The oldest trick in the book: if you cant beat them just ridicule them or exterminate them.(or both)

There are various groups of "Gnostics":

The Sethians,called after the third child from Adam and Eve (Seth), the Hard Core Gnostic, the Ophites : meaning ophite=snake) because they saw the snake in the
Garden story as the good guy,who brought knowledge to humans, not blind obedience ...and proof the lie from supposed all mighty god ! ( if you eat from that three you would die!, etc,etc...)

And the others (Valentinias,etc) well is up to you to search...(they were softies for me...)

Questions.

Why an all powerful Creator say something like: I'm a very jealous god ,you should not worship any other or images of them ??? when he /it is the origin from all that it is?

That alone sound like petty EGO ...does god have an ego for his creation? or there is another Creator that he don't know ?



All of that is why "Gnostics" were persecuted and eliminated all the time ...just because their life and believe was opposed and was threatened the new imperial dogma,etc...

[arjunaloka_official]

Posted by Vicus (here)
You need only GNOSIS/ knowledge

Knowledge, or wisdom?

Don´t you also need love?

[arjunaloka_official]

Posted by Vicus (here)

they saw the snake in the Garden story as the good guy

Jesus said "You Will Know Them by Their Fruits". What is the fruit of the snake´s advice? Isn´t it Expulsion from Paradise?

Posted by Vicus (here)

proof the lie from supposed all mighty god ! ( if you eat from that three you would die!, etc,etc...)

Well, do people die on Planet Earth? Does death exist in paradise?

Posted by Vicus (here)

Why an all powerful Creator say something like: I'm a very jealous god ,you should not worship any other or images of them ??? when he /it is the origin from all that it is?

That alone sound like petty EGO ...does god have an ego for his creation? or [U]there is another Creator that he don't know ?

Could it be that to some extend the reflection of the Lord in the Old Testament reflects humanity´s level of consciousness back then?
You have to please the customer, not yourself, i.e., the messaging must be suitable for the audience, right?

[arjunaloka_official]

Posted by Vicus (here)
All of that is why "Gnostics" were persecuted and eliminated all the time ...just because their life and believe was opposed and was threatened the new imperial dogma,etc...

The Ten Commandments clearly state that one shall not kill; consequently, Gnostics—obviously—must not be killed.

[Vicus]

Knowledge is "DATA" , you learn something ...



appropriate/good use of DATA is Wisdom

Love is always there,from the beginning of the quest...

[sdv]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
It requires personal responsibility (unlike most religions where you submit to the authority of the church and ultimately god).

How would you describe this responsibility, what do you need to do in Gnosticism to achieve liberation? Could you tell the main points or steps?

It would perhaps be best to go the following website and see what resonates with you. Each individual will come to the true knowing that they have a spark of the divine within them and find a path that works for them to be reunited with the divine (the true creator) ...

http://www.gnosis.org/gnintro.htm

You can find a good overall summary here as well ...

https://gnosticismexplained.org/

Note that most of Christianity regards gnosticism as a heresy, and Jesus is an important figure for gnostics. Note also that gnosticism is not a religion, even though it has set itself up as such in the US (first website) and has a bishop. The second website gives a
list of ancient texts that are considered to be gnostic. Most if not all were not included in the Bible.

My advice would be to read and contemplate and find what works for you to gain a deep understanding of and connection to your divine nature in the heart and soul.

[sdv]

Posted by Vicus (here)
Enough nicety's

Now I'm gonna go hard core...

Gnostic dint called themself so...they called themself Telestai/Teleste something like "who aim to"...

"Gnostics" was a slur word like "smart asses" impose from Irenaeus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus because he cant stand any argument with them...

The oldest trick in the book: if you cant beat them just ridicule them or exterminate them.(or both)

There are various groups of "Gnostics":

The Sethians,called after the third child from Adam and Eve (Seth), the Hard Core Gnostic, the Ophites : meaning ophite=snake) because they saw the snake in the
Garden story as the good guy,who brought knowledge to humans, not blind obedience ...and proof the lie from supposed all mighty god ! ( if you eat from that three you would die!, etc,etc...)

And the others (Valentinias,etc) well is up to you to search...(they were softies for me...)

Questions.

Why an all powerful Creator say something like: I'm a very jealous god ,you should not worship any other or images of them ??? when he /it is the origin from all that it is?

That alone sound like petty EGO ...does god have an ego for his creation? or there is another Creator that he don't know ?



All of that is why "Gnostics" were persecuted and eliminated all the time ...just because their life and believe was opposed and was threatened the new imperial dogma,etc...

The god with the ego in that instance was Yaweh. Yaweh was not the creator from which all things emanated, and Yaweh was not the only one calling himself god (the Old Testament has the names of many gods, which were called Elohim ... Yaweh was just one.) The proposition that Yaweh was an alien actually comes from a literal translation of the Old Testament (which is taken from the Torah), and may well be the truth! Also note that god of the Old Testament and god of the New Testament do not seem to be the same being, or Yaweh had a complete personality transplant. The gnostics claim that Jesus came from the true god, the one from which all creation emanated, but as in the Kabbalah, that creator is beyond our understanding so we must know the creator with our heart and connect to the divine spark of that creator that is within us. Does that creator have love and compassion for us humans trapped in a cycle of suffering? Well, you could see Jesus (and other true messangers including some angels and enlightened beings) as proof of that love and compassion.

[Vicus]

All of that knew it, but is refreshing to see it again...

For me the role of Jesus was gnostic 100% , he brought knowledge , and like in your post ,then ask Who are the Elohim worshipers today? and still why?

Well, I think we all know who they are...

[petra]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)

Posted by Vicus (here)
All of that is why "Gnostics" were persecuted and eliminated all the time ...just because their life and believe was opposed and was threatened the new imperial dogma,etc...

The Ten Commandments clearly state that one shall not kill; consequently, Gnostics—obviously—must not be killed.

I had to make that choice while I was fighting a war in my head
If it's kill or be killed, I choose to kill, and God knows this

[arjunaloka_official]

@sdv:


Quoting from the website:

Gnosticism is a type of early Christianity that taught that the material world was created by an evil being, and that Christ came to earth to liberate people from this evil world through the spiritual experience called “gnosis” – the root of the word “Gnostic.”

I agree that Jesus came here to save us. But why is salvation necessary in the first place? The Bible says: because humanity has violated the Lord's commandments—was it not precisely this that created that reality: Original Sin? The Gnostics say: It was not us, but the Demiurge. Jesus says: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” I harbor a faint suspicion that Jesus is right.