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    Default Re: The simple facts and fictions about Israel and Zionism: How to debunk blatantly false Zionist propaganda

    This is what the USA is aiding and abetting every day, the reality on Palestinian ground, attacked by terrorist zionists in uniform, with weapons paid by USA taxpayers:

    "The (Israeli) ambassador to Denmark has protested against the release of this video. Let’s make it go viral worldwide"

    To view video click on link below.
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/2127102074817564

    As Thomas Massie recently stated, if USA stopped funding Israel, within a month there would be peace in the middle-east.
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    So seven million Israeli Jews have given 94% support to an atrocity exhibition, the two billion Muslims surrounding them, won't forget for a thousand years. You can get five years for questioning the blatantly fake narrative of Oct 7, in Israel. How could a free people get themselves in this position, they've been royally false flagged, tricked and lied to, I suspect the satanic Cabal behind it all, know Israel hasn't a chance, they just keep mankind occupied rolling with the punches.

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    To keep it straight in my mind, I like to remember that the name Palestine is an image make-over. They are actually the Philistines of the bible. We were warned off them millennia ago as two-faced trouble-makers. Over time, nothing has changed, other than their name.

    They breed terrorists - for more than three generations, foregoing a normal existence in exchange for a vitriolic hatred of their neighbours.


    This image make-over extends to the religion of the region, which was always known as the interloper.
    They tied their wagon to the Abrahamic religions in a genius move - the Arabs are nothing if not very clever and devious.

    Then, when the time was ripe in this woke era, they made inroads with the Marxists and radical "progressives". That marriage made in hell has attempted a coup against the west, using national collaborators to sell out their own kind to the woke mob.

    The west is dying an ignoble death, a suicide really, while trying to extend inclusion to all comers.


    The white race is under attack. We are being subverted from within. Many, the majority are falling for the rhetoric, swept away on flights of fancy of what the world could be like if only there were no whites peoples.

    We are no longer British, Polish, Hungarian, Czechoslovakian. We are simply "white". And the world believes we need to be barbarized in a least common denominator like fashion so we no longer uphold the western values of merit and hard work and ingenuity.


    The world speaks of genocide against Israel. But where is the Congo, or Nigeria on the outrage map? That is a real and true genocide. No outrage there because it is not the new boogeyman, the evil regime, the "Zionists"!
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    To keep it straight in my mind, I like to remember that the name Palestine is an image make-over. They are actually the Philistines of the bible.
    Dear Ernie, without discussing any other parts of your post, I'd like to offer the important correction that the Palestinians and the Philistines are not at all the same people.


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    There is an argument to be made that it is a valid connection, however it is weak in terms of scholarly investigation. But the roots of lineage are blurred by time, and although the Philistines are said to have died off and been assimilated by other conquering peoples, their roots are incontrovertibly from that region.

    Because of scant and over-lapping records and ancient victors' tampering with the histories, the roots of the Philistines is not known with certainty.
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    Could also be said that the roots of the Ashkenazis that are currently genociding Palestinians are blurred and uncertain. But in fact it's already been ascertained that Ashkenazis aren't genetically related to semites.

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    Could also be said that the roots of the Ashkenazis that are currently genociding Palestinians are blurred and uncertain. But in fact it's already been ascertained that Ashkenazis aren't genetically related to semites.

    Well, in the sense not descended from.

    This has come up before; there is a genetic study done by one person, which claims they are.

    It was followed in about six months by a study done by about twenty people, which shows they are not. Almost every legitimate genetic study requires a rather large panel to run it, usually multi-national.

    There is a good chance Ashkenazis are converts from the Khazarian era, and, on that, no Khazarian revival is evident...in the sense of them being distinctly Turkish/Altaic.

    But, politically, it is an Ashkenazi state, in the sense that Sephardics and others are lower in the social hierarchy, and of course the notorious dictator.

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    War is genocide. Until the media made it clear what war is, no one had any idea of the real atrocities of war. It is merciless and cruel, heartless and dehumanizing. Where war is, genocide is a real possibility, and is certainly the intent of both sides. What would Iran do with the bomb? Immediately launch it against Israel to attempt genocide.

    But there is no war in Congo or Nigeria or Uganda. They are just simply murdering, eradicating, non-Muslims, mostly Christians. The Americans have just finished an excursion into Nigeria, eliminating 200 terrorists.

    But no big stink, its just the same old story, sanctioned by the red/green alliance and their media lackeys, as Islam conquers nation after nation by actual genocide.
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    Ernie, the Israel genocide of Palestinians isn't only a 'war'. It's the most gratuitously vile, sadistic cruelty infliction on a civilian population that the modern world has ever heard of. It's even worse than what the nazis did to the Jews in WW2. Israel is now openly stating its aim of dominance of the middle-east, and the world. Israel is the one that created the waves of Arab refugees, and conducting islamophobic psyops.

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    Very interesting. First time I hear of this Shabtai secret Jewish society, and its connections to Indian politicians & to JD Vance, Israel & Jeffrey Epstein, and who gets to pick and choose USA politicians. (It's not the american voters.)

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    I am no fan of what Britain was doing in Northern Ireland, but when old soldiers who were following orders, are still being taken to court, while the Government is an accessory to the current genocide in Gaza just stinks. Obviously the US would have had a very different attitude to Britain using anything like the methods the IOF uses on the Palestinians.

    In on the fringes of power by Churchill's Priv sec John Conville, he writes about a shooting weekend at the Lionel Rothschild's estate, where Lionel was lobbying for Germany to be given to the Jews' after the war, this was a negotiating tactic but shows how the fates of billions can be corruptly and negatively affected by the all conquering power of compound interest.

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    I am no fan of what Britain was doing in Northern Ireland, but when old soldiers who were following orders, are still being taken to court, while the Government is an accessory to the current genocide in Gaza just stinks. Obviously the US would have had a very different attitude to Britain using anything like the methods the IOF uses on the Palestinians.

    I am a result of what Britain was doing in Northern Ireland.

    From that perspective, I can only say that some people have a very different attitude towards Britain, but, we also have a very different attitude towards the US.

    On the first, we pin Zionist hegemony on Oliver Cromwell.

    On the second, with regards to the previous posts, Yale University is also a Zionist garden since its very early days.

    On "if they had known", most people, for instance, would probably not given their lives to stop Hitler, in order to turn around and give the world to the rest of the Nazis, cementing it with Zionism. But the US in now a living history of such failed military excursions.

    On the mention of "compound interest", then, yes, we could say most of what we experience is due to that titan, the Bank of England, 1694. Everything is more or less built on that foundation.

    In more recent times, in America, the big eruption of Zionism out of an elitist dream was accomplished by television.

    At least now, half or more of the country is avidly against it. This is like a weird form of self-destruction by former Anglo superpowers. They have thrown it away by insulting the intelligence of lowly common folk.

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    Should have said Churchill's Priv Sec was John Colville, also contrasting IOF unfavorably with Britain in Ireland wasn't approving UK, but will sound that way to Irish. Shaberon, perhaps you might recommend books or Doc's, I've found little informative revisionism on the 'troubles'.

    In 1915 Rothschilds failed to prevent publication of the story of their advanced knowledge of the outcome of Waterloo*, in a NY court. We can be confident they had good lawyers, which means power hasn't changed hands in Britain in 210 years.

    AI says, after being slapped around a bit, privately owned Fiat currency costs the UK £210 billion annually, Left and Right must unite on this, it's 333 years since B of E in 2027, it would be a great time to end it. Nationalise the money supply now, cancel the national debt, all assets, property and equity bought with QE money should become Sovereign wealth fund for UK to renew, as the people have already paid for it in lost wealth, due to the Debasement of Currency.

    * Arno Russo's Trading Places based on this, Dumas shows the Count of Monte Christo interfering in visual telegraph, and Danglers the Bankster, transforming debt into cash, he was either whistle blowing or revealing the method.

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    Shaberon, perhaps you might recommend books or Doc's, I've found little informative revisionism on the 'troubles'.

    Do you mean Northern Ireland or the early presence of "Zionism" in the UK?

    They are not quite the same subject, but quite close in historical context. It's inseparable from the idea to keep a Catholic on the British throne.

    What happened during the time of King James was the publication of The Geneva Bible. This contains two footnotes in the Letters to the Romans that are the root of Christian Zionism.

    King James forbid it as "seditious". The first problem is that it would make Israel more powerful than the UK, and, secondly, it would probably no longer be a kingdom, since the origin is the Republic of Geneva. It's both a religious and political threat.

    You will find in around the fifth re-printing of the King James Bible that the footnotes have been inserted. Because of this editorializing, there is no such thing as the King James Bible today.

    What happened with Cromwell is a lot of supporters got buyer's remorse when he came to power. It came to be realized that maybe he was no saint. Executing the would-be King Charles was the breaking point. Cromwell was the first head of state to plan on using the Jewish diaspora for British hegemony. All successive governments have carried this policy.

    His ardent disciples were the Puritans, which of course are the same in Massachusetts, although Americans generically call them "Pilgrims".

    Therefor I take our Thanksgiving Pilgrim as the worst, most insidious kind of Zionist propaganda.

    Finances, violence, and other propaganda are perhaps better posted in other areas. The idea of Jews "returning" simmers in British and American Protestant churches, although it does not gain that much traction since there are those who perceive it as wrong. It was hyped and pushed forwards in both countries in the late nineteenth century, such as the term "Zionism" refers to a British political movement of 1884. It marks a transition from an idea to a settlement system which gains governmental support around the time of the Great War.

    On that note, propaganda was not needed...it did not work because of diplomacy, but because of religious sensibilities. Despite the fact it was created in 1580 by tampering with scripture, people had strong feelings it was the right thing to do.

    I don't share those beliefs, but, for the time, it does seem to be a useful outlet, due to the lack of an honest discussion about what is the whole problem of Jews in Western Europe. Why is England the first country to try to drive them completely out.

    Like with Cromwell, there is buyer's remorse at the time of the Nakba. Because my country has been supporting it without my permission, we have a problem.

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    Best explanation I've heard of why so many of these fundamentalist 'christian' mega-churches seldom preach about the gospel, but are mostly focused on the old testament.

    The Noahide Laws Are Real, They're In Congress, & Elites Are Pushing Them

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    The plan to designate criticism of zionism as 'hate speech'...

    Beginning at 6:00, an Oracle executive says this regarding Tic Toc social media use, propaganda, and Oracle AI:
    "Here's a few things that we did to advance the agenda for the Israeli military, that I really can't talk about to be honest. We have some really profoundly scary technology at Oracle, and we wanted to make sure it was available for the effort."

    Lowkey EXPOSES Netanyahu’s TERRIFYING $14 billion Plan to Control YOUR MIND


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    At Oracle’s AI World conference, Safra Catz and senior executives declared unwavering support for Israel; From public statements to double salaries for Israeli staff and donations to MDA and the IDF, the company chose values over profit

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    "No matter who we vote for we end up with Netanyahu". Only collective action, such as a general strike, will get us out of this mess.

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