Gnosis

[arjunaloka_official]

Posted by Vicus (here)

The 10 commands are only for us (be obedient and suck it up!) NOT for them.

Galatians 6:7: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows".

Some people think they are above that law - I doubt it.

[Vicus]

Posted by petra (here)
I haven't even read the bible but feel like I met Jesus... and God. Lucifer was there too. I don't know what gnosis is at all but here I am posting this anyway. It's like.. memories downloaded into my head. Perhaps I'm just nuts. I really hope to get some answers in the afterlife which could be why I'm ready to die

I remember thinking it should be possible for people to be "born knowing" kind of like how a mongoose is born knowing how to kill a cobra

I was there too...and from whatever help came,was not too late...as reminder got a very special tattoo, to not fall in that mental trap never again!

[Vicus]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)

Posted by Vicus (here)

The 10 commands are only for us (be obedient and suck it up!) NOT for them.

Galatians 6:7: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows".

Some people think they are above that law - I doubt it.

Go to Argentina and tell that to the rests family(if any) from the 30.000 killed and/or still missing...
All of that whit official "approve" from church entity's include the previous Pope...

[White Cedar]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)
@white cedar: ...would you still say that the Ten Commandments (phrased positively) make sense though, even though you seem to say they are not part of the gnosis?

Yes, loving God, family, not stealing, not cheating, not killing, make a ton of sense!

[White Cedar]

there is nothing on ten commandments that can make someone sleep, not cheating, not killing, not stealing, loving God are good things, not having envy, etc. Makes no sense saying it keeps people obeying. Cause, if people are not obeying these "rules"we should be killing and stealing and hating God?

[shaberon]

Posted by sdv (here)
...that god of the Old Testament and god of the New Testament do not seem to be the same being, or Yaweh had a complete personality transplant. The gnostics claim that Jesus came from the true god, the one from which all creation emanated, but as in the Kabbalah, that creator is beyond our understanding so we must know the creator with our heart and connect to the divine spark of that creator that is within us.

El is the prototypical Canaanite deity.

Yhwh was brought forth by Elijah around 900 B. C. E..

Jesus only spoke of El, or, what appears in text as Theos translates Biblical Aramaic Elaha.

If he was involved in a restoration, this suggests the Order of Melchizidek.

Now, in one sense, this order is effectively headed by Shem. If you will refer to the Abrahamic traditions, notice he is reduced to a pat, charming "Good Shepherd" image without siubstance. And yet someone has the audacity to name a language family for him.

Well, there is a tradition of Shem, that is, a Semitic religion, Mandeanism. In this view, Shem is effectively the Good Shepherd across the Bridge of Death.

This is peculiarly similar to Islam.

There are two things that pay practically no attention to the afterlife, Judaism and Christianity.

It is in Islam, Zoroastrianism, and with the Mandeans.


It may be possible to make sense of him objectively.

This is in response to the mention of Lake Urmia.

That's because at an era around 10,000 B. C. E., humans inhabited Ice Age refugia. There wasn't any traffic.

One of these places is the Armenian Highlands, and, the next nearest is the West Caspian Shore, which has rock art datable to about 10,000 B. C. E.; and so the early migration of these people is thought to be towards Lake Urmia. It is possible the Sumerians came from this. Unfortunately, there are no definite Sumerian genetics. We just know they were there with a language not thought to be related to anything. But yes, there is someone you would have to call West Iranian that is not Semitic.

Emigrations from Armenia would appear to be "Indo-European" (Caucasus, Catal Huyuk), and also Semitic, in the sense that Aleppo was settled around 8,000 B. C. E.; it is thought this wave continued south and covered the Arabian peninsula around 5,000 B. C. E..

Linguists will tell you it's impossible to say the "Semitic language family" belonged to these people, but, on the other hand, there is no human displacement or any kind of cross-migration evident at this time. It's the same people. And of course there isn't any evidence to say they spoke any other language.

There must have been someone who inaugurated fixed agriculture somewhere around Aleppo many thousands of years ago. There definitely was a symbolic Shem in this way. The only plausibly known thing he would have spoken would be Aramaic.



I don't quite believe in theoretical "proto-" languages, for which, Gnosis is said to come from the root gneh, which there is zero evidence for. I would, however, tend to agree with the known language family and that these are older examples than Greek, such as Hittite:


ka-ni-eš-zi /⁠kane/iššzi⁠/, “to recognize, acknowledge”


Tocharian A: kñā-

Sanskrit: ज्ञा (jñā)

Sanskrit: ज्ञान n (jñāna, “knowledge”)


Avestan: 𐬰𐬀𐬌𐬥𐬙𐬌 (zainti, “understanding”)
→ Middle Persian: [script needed] (znt' /⁠Zand⁠/, “Zand of Avesta”)


In these discussions we always give it the interpretation of Transmundane:


Jñāna (ज्ञान) (Sanskrit; in Tibetan: ye shes) — (lit. “Gnosis”)


And so I don't claim to be a Gnostic, but I am compelled to say that is the translation for what I do follow.


Well, there is a mystical experience in the Apocryphal Book of Enoch, and the vision is the oldest part; the stuff about giants and fallen angels was added later.

If I go on about Melchizedek, it absolutely destroys the New Testament. Just putting that there as a warning. What this means is a contrivance has been done, if you notice Revelation being added to the end, and Acts of the Apostles being moved. This is the main culprit. Acts is like a redux that buries conflations.

This becomes de-constructive towards a religion, but, fairly enough, does not really affect any of the sayings by Jesus. In fact, I find a couple of them quite highly useful. Except it doesn't give me a Gnostic Jesus; more like a would-be King. Or even Caesar. What if we said an absolute, unchecked dictator and that this was good.

The Greek phrase would be Tyrant Jesus.

If I were an ordinary citizen of the Roman Empire at the time, I probably would have gone for that in a split second.


That goes on to a different subject.


What we are doing in terms of Jnana is rather synonymous to Theurgy:

...the invocation or evocation of the presence of one or more deities, especially with the goal of achieving henosis (uniting with the divine) and perfecting oneself.

If you look into that, the expression Psyche for Soul is Orphic, so, this appears to be a rather recently-developed system, unlikely that this level of detail is itself particularly ancient. That is, there is the Pythagorean "One" in philosophy, there are several precursor ideas, but not such a distinct discipline or practice probably until Plotinus ca. 200s. It's not just the vision of a divine being, it is unification or self-divinization, which is a considerable difference.

[East Sun]

Could you please explain, the Transfiguration of Christ. Thanks!

[arjunaloka_official]

Posted by East Sun (here)
Could you please explain, the Transfiguration of Christ. Thanks!

My preliminary assessment would be:
Humans are water-dominated beings - the Transfiguration represents the conversion into a fire-dominated (plasma) being or light-being, I would say. There are also earth-dominated (silicium) beings. it is a matter of frequency or vibration, how the consciousness reflects. Between water and fire are the air-dominated beings.

I have read or heard somewhere, that some Buddhist (?) monks have also achieved transfiguration.

[Vicus]

From commandments 5 to 10 there are what we even today can be called "common sense" for life ,for a life without unnecessary conflicts...

But 1 to 4 are the "rules" impose in the "indoctrination "camp"...because they were quasi savages... (optimal...)

How long was that folk wandering trough the dessert from the moment they receive the Commands until reach that "promise land"? 40 years! Ridiculous !

Go to google maps and watch the distance between start and finish...by foot they could make it in 2days?

The 40 years was needed for indoctrination/imprint from 3 generations...

Then can the rest of the "work" begin ...

[Vicus]

From Jesus/Christ I don't know...

But for humans apart from a lot of water, is carbon... that's why paleontology could evaluate fossil rest , from animals and flora too...

in the Gnostic mythology when the EON Sophia plansh from the Pleroma (fullness) into the void, none willing ,create the Grit/Material Cosmos, and in that Grit is "born" that abomination : The Demiurge

From the Grit: Silicon

[Raskolnikov]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)
Could you please explain, the Transfiguration of Christ. Thanks!

My preliminary assessment would be:
Humans are water-dominated beings - the Transfiguration represents the conversion into a fire-dominated (plasma) being or light-being, I would say. There are also earth-dominated (silicium) beings. it is a matter of frequency or vibration, how the consciousness reflects. Between water and fire are the air-dominated beings.

I have read or heard somewhere, that some Buddhist (?) monks have also achieved transfiguration.

I like that assessment arjunaloka_official. And the Ten Commandments, the rules to live by given by God, are not a sufficient instruction book to achieve that transfiguration. Jesus' life was a better instruction book and to me that's the reason he was here, to show us "the way," not to save us. "All I do, you will do and more," or somethng to that effect, right. Similar to the alchemical process of turning lead (and some have said mercury) into gold, it's an alchemical process of turning our denser physical material into the lighter spiritual gold, so to speak, the transfiguration.

And yes, Joseph Campbell covered the many Eastern mystics who have achieved this state extensively in his books. Some even left their footprints in stone at the location their transfiguration occurred that are still visible today.

[arjunaloka_official]

Posted by Raskolnikov (here)

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)
Could you please explain, the Transfiguration of Christ. Thanks!

My preliminary assessment would be:
Humans are water-dominated beings - the Transfiguration represents the conversion into a fire-dominated (plasma) being or light-being, I would say. There are also earth-dominated (silicium) beings. it is a matter of frequency or vibration, how the consciousness reflects. Between water and fire are the air-dominated beings.

I have read or heard somewhere, that some Buddhist (?) monks have also achieved transfiguration.

I like that assessment arjunaloka_official. And the Ten Commandments, the rules to live by given by God, are not a sufficient instruction book to achieve that transfiguration. Jesus' life was a better instruction book and to me that's the reason he was here, to show us "the way," not to save us. "All I do, you will do and more," or somethng to that effect, right. Similar to the alchemical process of turning lead (and some have said mercury) into gold, it's an alchemical process of turning our denser physical material into the lighter spiritual gold, so to speak, the transfiguration.

And yes, Joseph Campbell covered the many Eastern mystics who have achieved this state extensively in his books. Some even left their footprints in stone at the location their transfiguration occurred that are still visible today.

Thanks, I will look into Joseph Campbell when I find some time. I remember having heard of these footprints, pretty interesting stuff!

As far as the alchemical process is concerned, it seems one has to actively go through the different stages: you start in nigredo ("blackness") where you know nothing. Once you gain access to knowledge you move into albedo ("whiteness"). If you do not apply your newly gained knowledge however, you will fail to create the philosopher´s stone and instead remain in or end up in cauda pavonis (tail of the peacock), where you fall for vanity. If you manage to overcome this stage of vanity and inactivity, you will enter the final stage, which is called rubedo ("redness") and which represents the philosopher´s stone.

Transfiguration can probably also be described as a yoga siddhi. However I assume one first has to manage say levitation before one could aim for transfiguration, but, I am only guessing. Transfiguration might allow time travel.

[Vicus]

Little video only for "show"...

...to show that Gnosticism isn't a thing of the past...but today more powerful then ever!
and this little video is from 2016!...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oPIy3Mg2GdU

The Gnostic Counter Cultures Conference

[Vicus]

Posted by petra (here)
I used to ask myself what would Jesus do and the answer always seems to be "probably suffer"

He knew what he was getting himself into I guess, I'm just not sure suffering is necessary as we make it out to be. Sounds like a trick instigated by those who love watching things suffer

Check this post again!.... "There was no moral meaning to suffering,there was no Reason for it"

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1716025

[petra]

I'm not sure why I hate the bible so much. My mother used to say "the bible was written BY man, FOR man". Every time I try to read it I just can't stay interested. Genesis is pretty but that's about it.

I wonder if there are any correlations in the Koran? I've never read the Koran either but I remember my thoughts trying to insist that I read it. I basically told them to F off.. I'm not really interested in reading that either.

I don't know.. I guess I feel like there should be a better way to have Gnosis than through reading books. I've been trying to look to my dreams for guidance

[Vicus]

Petra: I read the Koran ... and it was exactly painful as the old testament!...the same entity claiming to be GOD! (this time called Allah) and plenty massacres too!

And same play you can find about Zeus/Jupiter,Thor, Mayas "god", indues "gods",Japan,China, and on and on...EVERYWHERE!

Buddhism is total other story...his origin isn't as "religion" but philosophic , and in his last years Gautama highest preoccupation was that after his death his teaching could be converted in a religion! with priesthood and all the rest middleman...until come to the people!...


He was born 500 years before Jesus... but both were against institutional "Church".
Now Jesus picked up Buddha torch...and the Gnostic picked up the Jesus torch...and the "reaction" against them was the same...from Imperial Rome...where the first "Cristian" Emperor was converted in his death bed...hilarious!

And Gnosticism was never build as "Religion".

But make such questions in your post , made of you already a Gnostic!

UPDATED BUDDHIST for the Internet times...

[petra]

My friend is a Buddhist and I remember thinking he's one of the most spiritually evolved people that I know even though he considers himself an Athiest. He doesn't believe in aliens, he thinks the universe is just full of people. We just kind of have to agree to disagree on that one.

[shaberon]

Posted by arjunaloka_official (here)

Posted by East Sun (here)
Could you please explain, the Transfiguration of Christ. Thanks!

My preliminary assessment would be:
Humans are water-dominated beings - the Transfiguration represents the conversion into a fire-dominated (plasma) being or light-being, I would say. There are also earth-dominated (silicium) beings. it is a matter of frequency or vibration, how the consciousness reflects. Between water and fire are the air-dominated beings.

I have read or heard somewhere, that some Buddhist (?) monks have also achieved transfiguration.

Seen in these terms, as Elements, we are explainable as similar to Rosicrucian Alchemy.

Rather than a chemical reaction, the following is a meditation manual.

In the gold the four elements are contained in equal proportions.'' Thus the Quintessence was often symbolized by the hexagram (``Solomon's Seal'') because it unites the signs of the elements.

Roughly speaking, the elements are covered in dross, and you purify them, and this begins a motion:


Refinement Toward the Quintessence




And then, they discover the third dimension with torque:


Sublimation Toward Quintessence




This makes sense, doesn't it? First they are showing the way you are sitting, and then the last vertical line is referring to the spinal column.


In relation to the Elements, I would like to borrow the astrological expression Fixed Cross.

True East is the way you are facing. You always face wherever your face points. This is permanent, no? Can't change it.

Where are you?

Infinity extends equally in all directions, which means you are at the center of the universe -- in fact you can't move from that position.

In mortal life, it seems like I move around and face different directions, so we sit down and face East and do something similar to the above.

When the Elements are thought of as similar to states of consciousness, that would be the idea. An Element is really the Object or the Knowable, and it is up to you to figure out if you are perceiving it in an illusory, contaminated manner, or if it is Pure. A spiritual practice would be the transform from one to the other.

That is the major basis of Buddhist Yoga, but not really Buddhism in the sense this is not really a requirement. But yes frightfully similar to Alchemy or even Pythagoras, and the Indian Vinasikha which was the secret knowledge of the kings of Pagan and Siam. These are all similar because they are dealing with Five Elements.


Anecdotally, I will say when I first came to this, I rejected the idea that Space is an Element. Obviously not, I thought. I figured these guys must be masters of Chinese watercolor art, but Space isn't anything.

This caused a blockage.

I got through it, although the psychologist, Jung, did not.

From what I can recall about the Transfiguration, biographical narrative, it is the one time Jesus came remarkably close to a holy site of Qadesh, the Canaanite female spirit.


If you understand Siddhis, this puts me in the position to say that Buddhist Yoga is the cultivation of two siddhis that are not in other yoga. The others are called Mundane or Laukika Siddhis, such as levitation, or astral projection, or things like that, which is basically not seen as required or necessary, but may be experienced.

Also, it is not strictly monastic but for anyone.

[shaberon]

Posted by petra (here)
My friend is a Buddhist and I remember thinking he's one of the most spiritually evolved people that I know even though he considers himself an Athiest. He doesn't believe in aliens, he thinks the universe is just full of people. We just kind of have to agree to disagree on that one.

Great Chiliocosm:


From: Vimalakirti Nirdesa Sutra

(1) The text describes the Buddha using His transcendental powers to create a single canopy which contained the great chiliocosm, representing the vastness of the universe and the power of the Buddha.[1] (2) The vast universe inhabited by countless beings, wherein the teachings and actions of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas resonate.[2] (3) The vast universe as perceived in Buddhist cosmology, illustrating the significant and intricate nature of existences and realms.[3] (4) A vast universe that would be filled with countless Tathagatas, emphasizing the magnitude of Bodhisattvas and their offerings.[4]



VKN is the foundation of all eighteen parts of the Mahayoga cycle.

It tells us beings.

It doesn't specify a material body. Ghosts would count. In fact, their natures are probably very intricate.

This is just taken as a fact; in general, there is no focus on such worlds, or visitors, etc., because the focus is on the chiliocosm you experience inwardly or subjectively.

[shaberon]

Posted by Vicus (here)
He was born 500 years before Jesus... but both were against institutional "Church".
Now Jesus picked up Buddha torch...and the Gnostic picked up the Jesus torch...and the "reaction" against them was the same...

The only Buddha found west of Afghanistan is from about the second century, in Berenike, Egypt:





It was made by someone there out of local marble.


The best explanation is the Therapeutae:

Some authors have pointed out similarities between the Therapeutae and early Buddhist monasticism, a tradition that is several centuries older. As described in the 1st century CE text Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Egypt had intense trade and cultural contacts with India during the period which, combined with evidence in the Indian Edicts of Ashoka of Buddhist missionary activity to the Mediterranean around 250 BCE, has led to the hypothesis that Therapeutae might have been a Buddhist sect composed of descendants of Ashoka's emissaries.

Considered also as the first Christian monks, it should be said the meaning is much broader, including Zoroastrians, for example. Alexandria being one of the most important places of the classical world, all nations were pouring into it. If I were to consider it is possible they were healers, then perhaps it could also be true for Jesus, i. e. one of them.


The Therapeutae represent the origin of Hesychasm:


Katharsis (κάθαρσις) or purification,
Theoria (θεωρία) or illumination, and
Theosis (θέωσις) or deification (also referred to as union with God)


of which we only have the church version. But the basic idea is similar to Yoga or Gnosis.

The presence of the Therapeutae is approximately the lifespan of the Parthian Empire.

The Buddhism I am aware of begins in writing with Emperor Asoka of the Mauryan Empire, in the early times of Parthia. Here is where we get, literally, a Rosetta Stone between Sanskrit, Greek, and Aramaic:


Dharma -- Eusebia -- QST (Qusut)


That is not Biblical Eusebia and this doesn't really have anything to do with the Old Testament either.

It tells me, personally, that the Sanskrit tradition was able to have at least a minimal conversation on important values with these two other cultures. One of them was the native language of Jesus, and the other, he probably knew (and used).