Soul Retrieval

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Friends, to start this most interesting new topic I'm copying a reply I made to Szymon a few hours ago on an entirely unrelated thread, AI being the subject but with Szymon briefly referring to how MKUltra processes 'break a mind'.

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Posted by Szymon (here)
...and how the mind seeks escape under pressure. It disassociates itself.

The soul/spirit can fracture under the same high-stress circumstances, and part of it can escape (exactly the right word!) to some safe place elsewhere in space, locally or even in a galaxy far, far away. (It can even go hide out somewhere in a different time.)

Shamans call the process of repairing this soul-fracture 'soul retrieval', and the whole phenomenon is fascinating and 100% real.

[petra]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Dear Friends, to start this most interesting new topic I'm copying a reply I made to Szymon a few hours ago on an entirely unrelated thread, AI being the subject but with Szymon briefly referring to how MKUltra processes 'break a mind'.

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Posted by Szymon (here)
...and how the mind seeks escape under pressure. It disassociates itself.

The soul/spirit can fracture under the same high-stress circumstances, and part of it can escape (exactly the right word!) to some safe place elsewhere in space, locally or even in a galaxy far, far away. (It can even go hide out somewhere in a different time.)

Shamans call the process of repairing this soul-fracture 'soul retrieval', and the whole phenomenon is fascinating and 100% real.

I'm behind this 100%. I know for sure that I'm a fraction of what I used to be.

I feel like the process of reintegrating if that's the right word is starting to come naturally. It's nice, I thought I was going to have to do a whole pile of work but it's amazing what the body and mind can do to heal naturally.

[Rawhide68]

I can only speak from my own sane experience.
As John Lenon and The Beatles sings, Love is all you need!
Right!

[petra]

Posted by Rawhide68 (here)
I can only speak from my own sane experience.
As John Lenon and The Beatles sings, Love is all you need!
Right!

My mum would disagree lol. She always said "you can't live off love". Mom and dad loved the Beatles btw

[Irminsül]

Hi Bill. I find what you’re proposing intriguing. Under what circumstances, according to this, could the spirit supposedly fracture? Severe trauma or something like that? Is any of this related to the process by which an MK-Ultra agent is supposedly created? Because from what I’ve read, they talk about how their personality (and perhaps their spirit as well?) has been fragmented. I’d like to take this opportunity to point out the difference—which many of you are surely already familiar with—between spirit and soul. This distinction has been highlighted by most major religions, spiritual philosophies, and esoteric schools. According to them, it’s more or less as I’ll describe now.
Spirit: a divine, eternal, transcendent, and immutable principle; the highest part of the being.
Soul: the individual principle of consciousness, identity, emotions, will, and experience; that which evolves, learns, and mediates between the spirit and the body.
And finally, I ask you, Bill, on what basis do you maintain that this idea—that the spirit can be fractured—is real, and that it can also be repaired?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Irminsül (here)
Hi Bill. I find what you’re proposing intriguing. Under what circumstances, according to this, could the spirit supposedly fracture? Severe trauma or something like that?

I don't understand this very well (at all!), but as best I know the trauma or stress can readily be in the 'natural' flow of one's life — anything that could happen to a person that might be called (or feel like) a 'severe blow' to the spirit.

I first learned about this (in more detail than just a passing reference) from a good friend of mine who was a highly trained and experienced scientology practitioner (in the 'Free Zone', NOT the Church of Scientology). His partner walked out on him, and he was devastated. Literally 'heart-broken' — which is of course a very interesting use of words, if one stops to think about it. It may NOT always be just a linguistic metaphor.

He went to work to remedy his distress using every scientology technique that he knew — but that failed.

So he went to an Aboriginal Shaman (he was Australian) — and that quickly handled the whole problem. It was a soul retrieval issue, which wasn't recognized in scientology processing, as in all of scientology theory (which is extensive and very well-researched, especially in the 'Free Zone') the soul or spirit is always held to be an indivisible sovereign entity. But my friend discovered that was actually incorrect.

He then developed a scientology technique to address the problem, a complicated variant of one of the existing processes. But he told me that the shamanic technique that he experienced was very different — though he did NOT explain that to me, so that's something I don't know a thing about. (I'd love to learn more!)

And a brief personal footnote: I know for a fact that that this is a real phenomenon, as I experienced it myself a number of years ago and was able to fix it on my own. My conclusion was that I do suspect this may be a far, far more common thing than almost anyone is aware of.

[Arcturian108]

As some of you know, I believe in a multiple soul theory, where several souls share a body, much like three passengers in a car. There is one driver, and two passengers. When the driver gets tired, one of the passengers takes over the driving. In this same way, when there are three souls attached to a body, one of them controls the body, while the others rest. Usually from my experience with clients, a soul rules the body for about two years, then there is a changeover. Soul retrieval is a different phenomenon, from a shamanic tradition, of which I have no training, and haven't felt the need to explore.

Just now, I asked my guides what percentage of the human population has more than one soul, and I got the figure 70%. It is very likely that those who are reading this post are multiple-souled. My book about this phenomenon was published in 2007 and is still in print.

I have believed this theory for about 30 years, and have applied it to clients who come to me for help, especially when they are depressed. I have been able to coax the depressed soul out of their bodies with the help of my spirit guide (Babaji of the Yogananda tradition). Sometimes the client feels immediate relief, or does so within a day or two. This process still leaves the remaining souls in control of the body, so that nothing is really lost except their depression.

I am not in need for more clients, and just wish to inform the Avalon community of such possibilities. I have been truly gifted with this ability to diagnose and treat soul issues, and so far I have trained about 15 others in my methodology to carry on this knowledge and ability into the future.

[petra]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
As some of you know, I believe in a multiple soul theory, where several souls share a body, much like three passengers in a car. There is one driver, and two passengers. When the driver gets tired, one of the passengers takes over the driving. In this same way, when there are three souls attached to a body, one of them controls the body, while the others rest. Usually from my experience with clients, a soul rules the body for about two years, then there is a changeover. Soul retrieval is a different phenomenon, from a shamanic tradition, of which I have no training, and haven't felt the need to explore.

Just now, I asked my guides what percentage of the human population has more than one soul, and I got the figure 70%. It is very likely that those who are reading this post are multiple-souled. My book about this phenomenon was published in 2007 and is still in print.

I have believed this theory for about 30 years, and have applied it to clients who come to me for help, especially when they are depressed. I have been able to coax the depressed soul out of their bodies with the help of my spirit guide (Babaji of the Yogananda tradition). Sometimes the client feels immediate relief, or does so within a day or two. This process still leaves the remaining souls in control of the body, so that nothing is really lost except their depression.

I am not in need for more clients, and just wish to inform the Avalon community of such possibilities. I have been truly gifted with this ability to diagnose and treat soul issues, and so far I have trained about 15 others in my methodology to carry on this knowledge and ability into the future.

WHAT?! First I have heard of this and it really resonates with me greatly! What book is this you speak of? Is it freely available?

I was told that I am a "group soul" that something went "wrong" with. The depression part is starting to go away, but everything feels so surreal all the time now. I have to be medicated because of psychosis - sometimes my thoughts will talk to me and try to get me to play some foolish "game" with them. In my case it's like having a couple of kids in the passenger seat.

It's interesting to consider what might happen when I die. I always expected to die alone but following these experiences I expect to have company when I die. I feel a lot safer like this

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
Just now, I asked my guides what percentage of the human population has more than one soul, and I got the figure 70%. It is very likely that those who are reading this post are multiple-souled. My book about this phenomenon was published in 2007 and is still in print.

Posted by petra (here)
WHAT?! First I have heard of this and it really resonates with me greatly! What book is this you speak of? Is it freely available?

”Your Multiple Souls - How They Direct Your Creativity,
Genius, Complexity, and Moods,” by Ruth Rendely

Summary:

Often when some breakthrough in science or technology occurs, several individuals, unbeknownst to each other, simultaneously arrive at the same conclusions. For the past twenty-five years Ruth Rendely has been waiting to see if someone else would come forward with the revolutionary discoveries about the nature of souls that she first comprehended in 1989. At that time she was living in Japan, and began occasionally doing past-life readings, exploring her abilities as a psychic counselor, in addition to being a lecturer at two Tokyo universities. For some unknown reason, while she was doing these readings, a spirit guide began imparting some new information to her about human souls. He kept showing her clients who had more than one soul, and saying that it was normal.

This book is the result of that exploration, which reveals why souls might want to share a body, and what happens when they do. This theory helps to explain complexity in human behavior. Complex normal behavior can mean problems in relationships and career choices; while complex deviant behavior can mean murder, mayhem and suicide. Although most of us hold a reverential feeling about the nature of the soul, in reality souls vary in levels of maturity and treat bodies on a sliding scale between respect and disrespect.

Ruth has been shown instances of souls treating bodies much like teenagers going for a joy ride in a stolen car-riding for a few days, and then abandoning the car. What almost nobody realizes is that quite a few souls avoid attachment to a body before that body reaches physical maturity. When Ruth's spirit guide first presented these theories to her, she was naturally dumbfounded, but after he trained her to practically apply them, she became convinced of their veracity. Since those early years, she has assisted souls in entering and exiting human bodies. Her talents go beyond clearing entities, or lost souls, from a person's aura, which many adepts can do. With the help of spirit guides, Ruth has literally induced what the author Ruth Montgomery referred to as "Walk-ins". Most individuals who have experienced these changes have felt profound relief. Ruth has stopped counting the number of suicides that she helped to prevent in utilizing this knowledge and procedures.

[petra]

This sounds familiar! I remember her name, Ruth Rendely. Thank you for providing a summary you have no idea how helpful that is.

[The KMan]

An interesting discussion. Throughout history many cultures have tried to explain trauma, identity and consciousness in different ways whether through psychology, spirituality or religion.

Reading some of the comments, I couldn't help wondering what Freud and Jung would have made of the idea of multiple souls sharing one body. They certainly recognised that the human mind is far more complex than we often realise but they approached it from a very different perspective.

As for me, I have spent plenty of time looking within over the years and unless someone is hiding exceptionally well then I'm pretty sure there is only one of me in here . . . LOL.

That said, I'm always interested in hearing how others arrive at their beliefs and what evidence has led them there. I think curiosity and respectful discussion are far more valuable than simply accepting or dismissing ideas.

[Agape]

......on the "ensoulment topic".

When I said "ensoulment" it ocurred to me almost instantly how further the topic goes.

Spirit is boundless, formless , the fastest among all existential phenomena we get to experience in our dreams, contemplations, meditations and prayers.

Soul ( the term was disqualified by so many orthodox scholars and materialistic philosophers ) on the other hand , has a form. Only Soul can see another Soul or recognize it

According to the "sacred Hindu, Buddhist and many other traditions" the Soul starts formatting itself alongside physical conception in human uterus and gets to reexperience itself from the birth to another universe that is our human world.

There are many other worlds where Souls come from other than this world.

And there are of course "old souls of this planet" who have experienced various stages of primitive metamorphosis and later, "conversion" by genetic enhancement by "advanced intelligence from Space".

They all qualify as souls on various stages of evolution , for me.

But they are rarely in perfect shape after enduring several traumas, starting from birth to yet new human family , being owned, being rejected, given education and punishment for sisters folly, and endless attempts of human society to "socialise a man",

once a Soul rises to it's revolt against human manipulation ,
listening to the guiding voice of clear Spiritual intelligence
there is nothing to keep it bound.

Millions of souls, as I see it, still live entrapped in slave human factories.


Ancient Egyptians recognised 3 types of Soul that were referred to as Ka, Ba and La.

Ka was the "life breath" of human Soul on the Earth.
It represents the "union" ( yog, jog , etc ) of Mind and Energy ( prana in Sanskrit ).
It manifests as our innate ability to speak and express "own will".

Ba ( Bah ) is a more advanced type of Soul ( Kha ) formed again by union of more subtle type of Mind and Breath ( energy, prana, chi ) that arises during important times of life and shortly before death in order to help us cross to the next world .
It may appear times bigger than Ka and be tangible to those in presence.

Advanced meditators and various Saints with deep experiences "between life and death" and long time mediators sometimes manifest and "hold" the state of Ba ( higher souls body ) for prolonged period of time ,
utilising its "magical properties".

The highest aspect of Soul called La ( Lah ) was only experienced during focused prayers, temple chant or generally by individuals who achieved communion with AL .. the Almighty .

The syllable Lah , meaning noble , transpires in many Eastern languages .


The term Spirit can ( unfortunately for humans ) signify many other Spirits of Ancients other than Holy Spirit.
There is "spirit of all things" called Shinto in Japanese priestly tradition and there are countless non human spirits of many orders inhabiting this Planet .

According to Tibetan people who are still alive and whose ancestors studied both Bon and Vajrayana Buddhist traditions that specialise in the knowledge of spirits, demons, demigods , and so on,
hundreds of classes of such ( lower spirits ) have been recorded in the past.

Instead of exorcising them they were generally invited to prayer offerings and bound by oath, never to harm lives . Unless they caused harm their presence could be called in , during trance and they could have had prophetic or warning message for humans.

Even though as you may well guess they did not like "strangers" a lot and it's generally considered bad manner among shamans to disturb "each other's spirits".


The lowest class of spirits live of course, in alcohol bottles

but not to be confused with Jinns ,

Beings of Light trapped in this human world ,
exploited for service .


( I know I have said something but did not say it all )


Soul retrieval is something today's methodologists and psychoanalysis really can not get hands on .The knowledge truly is only in hands of "primitive healers", shamans, some lamas and Hindu priests also have the knowledge and the power to call "all your Soul in",
even for a timebeing.

The fullness of which , to the effect of "enlightened soul" is still reserved only for VIPs .



With the lightest solular humor ,
in memory of Omnisense


🦥


Btw La is considered the higher aspect of Ra , in Egyptian mythology , the closest term to which is Live Light ( in all its universal aspects ) , whereas Ra is the manifested, fierce ruler of life on Earth,
La is invisible ( but can be heard or appeased by sacred music , frequencies and chants ).

Not sure modern science knows anything about it

[Open Minded Dude]

The Monroe Institute also offers seminars for 'retrievals'. It is called 'Lifeline' and was still created by Robert Monroe himself.

In Lifeline program, 'soul retrieval' normally is understood in the way that you help 'other' souls to move on when they are stuck after death.
But there is also a part for 'lost fragments' of one's own soul that seems to be similar in concept to the Shamanic soul retrieval practice to me.

Retrieve lost aspects of yourself and enrich your life. Retrievals can also include reclaiming lost aspects or fragments of yourself. This healing process enables you to reconnect, feel whole again and embrace your total self.

https://www.monroeinstitute.org/products/lifeline

As an 'off-topic' sidenote: I have limited experiences with doing retrievals for 'other souls' via Astral Projection, too, although I did not learn it from a TMI seminar but just books and / or from some of my spirit guides showing me the way a little. Not sure if I also retrieved 'myself' which would then fall into the category of this thread, but I do not entirely exclude the possibility. Some helping experiences (also in dreams) had the 'feel' of 'self' rather than 'other'. So.. maybe ...

Btw, I wanted to write a book about 'soul rescue' and it is even still in the making. I'm still a beginner though and not very good at it since I am not very good (anymore) at willfully and consciously projecting anyway. Currently and for a while now all my activities in this regard have been stalled now due to a long dry period of being 'grounded' in Earth life (happens to many projectors / OBErs).
Anyways, should I ever finish and publish my book I will post it on Avalon in a separate thread (I want to offer it free of charge then, so no sales pitch involved). I can post a link with a description and even free chapter if s.o. is interested. Again, it is however about retrieving / helping 'other souls', so it's different from this chapter.

Btw, I had bookmarked another soul retrieval thread from Avalon from years ago. It is also about helping 'other souls':

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...ur-Experiences

[Isserley]

From another thread about vaccine harm, but also relevant here. There is a big chance that vaccines and modern farmaceutical medications can also banish souls from the body.

As a central part of the spiritual journey, Soul Loss (while dreadfully painful) is actually a gift hidden in disguise. For once we become aware of it, we begin to undergo a spiritual alchemy of longing, searching, seeking, transforming, and eventually finding our true Home.

Soul Retrieval, therefore, is a crucial element of every spiritual journey. Without seeking to become more ensouled, we remain in a state of dissociated numbness.
We remain in an unhealthy place of isolation from the world – never quite fully being in it or using its creative obstacles to grow.

https://lonerwolf.com/soul-retrieval/

[shaberon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
...how MKUltra processes 'break a mind'.

It doesn't take this extreme.

Our school would simply say, all beings are broken, are a little bit crazy.

The most smug one in denying it, is the worst affected.

An honest review of Zoroastrianism will determine it to be psychotherapy. It's close to a sub-sect of the Veda. Re-wound to the original expression, spiritual practice in Sanskrit is Mantra Veda, and a mantra is manas (mind) plus tra (to protect). At that level, there aren't distinguishing terms; the manas is the human being, or its mind, or the mental processes continuing after death.

I suppose that corresponds to "soul", but these expressions are relatively useless to me in any technical sense. I use it for convenience, because, taking Buddhism as a higher resolution on Vedic metaphysics, it actually really does use Atma, the thing so much time has been spent saying Buddha denied. We do in fact see such a thing as Hadaya Vattu or "heart seed" as permanence. And this is one of the main things, because, it implies the brain is not the mind. The seat of consciousness is not the heart, physical organ, but a subtle energy that lives there, shrouded by ignorance.

You can feel it. I have to consciously expend effort to enter this heart-awareness, and, then it feels like that's where I live; unfortunately, the smallest things tend to suck you back into the brain and be obsessed with its functions; and so in this sense, we would deny "Atma", because there is no true existence in that stuff, and any type of concept is not the Atma. Certainly nothing like the human personality is permanent.

I have read comments from H. H. Dalai Lama, where he is sad that he cannot totally sympathize, because of his mind training he has never been depressed and doesn't know what it is.

Because I have experienced everything from depression and dissociative disorders, neurosis, psychosis, suicidal and homicidal tendencies, I am in a far more genuinely sympathetic position about mental and emotional disturbances, but, also, what it is like to purify them, at least temporarily.

I'm not sure if this is the same as retrieval, but I will say it is much bigger and older than what we know as psychothreapy.

[petra]

Wow. Well I'm pretty sure I have PTSD from all of the mental onslaughts that have been going on. I remember thinking that no amount of psychologists or whatever else would ever be able to help me. I am the only one that can help me. Well God too, but only if I really need it! Same with the Angels. This is MY battle, and I'm sure many of you feel the same way about your own battles.

I'm not denying that some people could use help, but I am just way too far beyond that now. I've really taken the "war within me" thing to a whole new level, but instead of evolving it's more like dissociating.

My mother used to say things needed to get worse first before they get better, and also that it was evils "last stand" so to speak. I still don't fully understand but I try to take my parents seriously. I love them and their hearts were always in the right place. Sorry to go so off topic, maybe it's interesting to see where my thoughts are going with this? Who knows.

[Agape]

I think that "soul retrieval" is the most difficult topic to discuss because , once accomplished it does not need to be discussed.

But even casual people can understand about MK Ultra 😆

To give you an example , we have tried MK Ultra at summer camp , that was English - German payed camp lasting 3 weeks for 12 to 14 years old . We had great and vanguard type of teachers who loved to sing Beatles and they did not torture us with classes ( just about 3 -4 hours morning ) and for the rest of the day we had outings, trips to woods, some very long walking trips and tried yoga too since one of our teachers was a singer and certified yoga teacher.

We lived in building instead of tents , recreation type of holiday , in quiet location in the southern Czech Republic surrounded by nature .
It was the only time we could escape our "helicopter parents" and constant domestic drill so I really loved going there for 2 or 3 summers .

We tried hypnosis on each other and also game one of the girls suggested called "Green Apple".

There were just girls in the room at that point, maybe one little boy who also wanted to play with us.


As a part of the game we carefully pulled curtains over all windows, locked the door from inside and arranged couple of candles around a single chair in the middle of the room.

Each of us had to play the "victim" on one round and then join the "investigators".

The "victim" was voluntarily tied from the back and put scarf over their eyes . The aim of the game was to torture them verbally by asking various personal questions, especially questions that were somewhat intimidating or even resembled some form of police harrasment until they admitted to be "Green Apple" .
We were kids, mostly girls who kept to their upbringing so we were rather gentle and most "victims" got laughing fits on the "torture chair" but never gave in.

Except for one girl who was my close friend, she was vulnerable and serious at that time , her parents were divorcing and so she started breaking down a bit , even admitted to be Green Apple .

The next day I gave her "hypnosis session"( for 12 years olds) that goes without words , looking to her eyes for 20 minutes she eventually fell asleep for the rest of the day and did not complain to the teacher .


Strangely enough we all got little ill towards the end of the camp and our parents said we look green on exiting the bus , I seemed to have lost couple kilos on the trip and got "punished" by hospital admission for 2 weeks just at the start of school year .

It was 1986 if i recall and I have had ET contact in the same year that was totally harmless but I could never mention it for next 20 years as I would be "crucified" by my psychoanalytic mum .

In principle though , it gave me tough lesson. I did not "like the game", I did not quite agree with it , I did not like making my friend cry or the aftermath but I wanted "us" to get mentally stronger .

And I will always remember what's MK Ultra about , convincing someone that they are ...anything, fake, murderous, suicidal, liar , any sort of bad bastard while they are still pure and completely innocent .

It's not in my good memories but it's unfairly possible that my friend "grew up" and started fighting with her younger brother after the experience .

Of course we did not cause each other harm. Parents are among majority of "true culprits"in that stage of life, practically speaking,
some convince their children about being "genius" while the kid is still struggling to read, others beat them and call them brats and idiots.

Some parents use excruciating emotional torture using their children as kicking ball btw them and the rest of family. Some torture children blaming their life failures and illnesses on the child ,
some do all of that and there is no escape from those situations till the child grows up and calls professionals for help.


It's debatable whether childhood abuse is better or worse than torture chambers in Guantanamo , of course the later has very bad name but them too use similar methods:
humiliation and regression to sweet childlike state before they force confessions to various crimes.

Some people never give in which does not mean they don't have internal injuries and "soul pain" for the rest of their lives or strange feelings of guilt for things they've never done ,
or feel constantly suspect of themselves being deceptive .

How to fix.

The problem of "adult" MK Ultra is that it employs very big and brute psychological and physical force . Most professionals in the "civil zone" can not and do not practise "deep enough" to liberate such experiences .

The "courteous nice smelling" therapist at the clinic with all the diplomas hanging on the wall start melting like a SOAP at glance , and ever after on hearing the "details".

No professional ever heard what's happened to me in Uruguay because I know the "school" , the people , and their utter inability to encounter anything.bigger than the "child in you".

There could be military anti-MK specialists but I don't know anyone like that.


The rest of professionals are soaps, used to hearing stories, narratives, delusions on soft cushions . For a fee . When their time is over any "real person" would better bow out and go before they also tell you how interesting , interesting life you've really had, how they envy you travelling round the world and how they can't afford more than .
You -the victim - have won the price every psychotherapist owed to have . Against the "brute force" now engrained within you, their own human nature comes up spontaneously .
Your "therapy session" ends up with nannying the therapist .

It's ok to continue looking for "stronger therapist" but they seem to be eventually, all the same human after all.

Only the "psycho" in the "Bay" knows better . He is the one who got you in touch with your soul before cutting you to pieces . Go scramble, you're great survivor with very good luck.


🍀

[Johnnycomelately]

I echo KMan’s interests in this discussion, and also his implied dismissal of the idea of multiple souks in one body.

I hesitate to speak what I think, because I haven’t gathered evidence, as he requested. My ideas here are from things I’ve heard and read, filtered through my experience, but not organized in a chain. But I want to speak.

For myself, I’ve affirmed the idea that I have programs that control my options, through the whole range of my living interactions. I accept that these programs are due to say kharma, locked in by my ways in the past, from past lives incarnating and probably even before that. My goal, at each step through this life, is to change these. To fix what I’m being shown is wrong with my soul, starting by taking responsibility for what I find there.

I can see why disparate inate mindsets could seem to indicate different people, meaning different souls, but I think that these are simply different soul burdens peeking out. Dig a hole for your nasty tendencies, pour cement on top and hide them for the shame, and my understanding of kharma says they’ll reappear again.

Posted by The KMan (here)
An interesting discussion. Throughout history many cultures have tried to explain trauma, identity and consciousness in different ways whether through psychology, spirituality or religion.

Reading some of the comments, I couldn't help wondering what Freud and Jung would have made of the idea of multiple souls sharing one body. They certainly recognised that the human mind is far more complex than we often realise but they approached it from a very different perspective.

As for me, I have spent plenty of time looking within over the years and unless someone is hiding exceptionally well then I'm pretty sure there is only one of me in here . . . LOL.

That said, I'm always interested in hearing how others arrive at their beliefs and what evidence has led them there. I think curiosity and respectful discussion are far more valuable than simply accepting or dismissing ideas.

[Arcturian108]

Posted by Johnnycomelately (here)
I echo KMan’s interests in this discussion, and also his implied dismissal of the idea of multiple souks in one body.

I hesitate to speak what I think, because I haven’t gathered evidence, as he requested. My ideas here are from things I’ve heard and read, filtered through my experience, but not organized in a chain. But I want to speak.

For myself, I’ve affirmed the idea that I have programs that control my options, through the whole range of my living interactions. I accept that these programs are due to say kharma, locked in by my ways in the past, from past lives incarnating and probably even before that. My goal, at each step through this life, is to change these. To fix what I’m being shown is wrong with my soul, starting by taking responsibility for what I find there.

I can see why disparate inate mindsets could seem to indicate different people, meaning different souls, but I think that these are simply different soul burdens peeking out. Dig a hole for your nasty tendencies, pour cement on top and hide them for the shame, and my understanding of kharma says they’ll reappear again.

Posted by The KMan (here)
An interesting discussion. Throughout history many cultures have tried to explain trauma, identity and consciousness in different ways whether through psychology, spirituality or religion.

Reading some of the comments, I couldn't help wondering what Freud and Jung would have made of the idea of multiple souls sharing one body. They certainly recognised that the human mind is far more complex than we often realise but they approached it from a very different perspective.

As for me, I have spent plenty of time looking within over the years and unless someone is hiding exceptionally well then I'm pretty sure there is only one of me in here . . . LOL.

That said, I'm always interested in hearing how others arrive at their beliefs and what evidence has led them there. I think curiosity and respectful discussion are far more valuable than simply accepting or dismissing ideas.

There are definitely single-souled people on the planet, and you may be one of them. If my theory was simply a mental process, it would be easier to agree with you, but it is not. In the past 37 years I have dealt with hundreds of clients, to whom I applied this theory and received grateful validation. I have prevented several hundred suicides, so I am completely convinced of its validity. However, I am trying to avoid becoming famous in this lifetime, because the societal confusion that would result if my theory was widely believed is beyond what I can handle. Thus, I am perfectly happy that my book is not number one on the Amazon charts.

[rgray222]

The mind is the center of thought, emotion, and even perception; it exists only within the physical body. The soul is the true essence of a person, and while we are on Earth, it exists in conjunction with the human body and beyond the physical body. If we don't practice mindfulness (consciously or subconsciously) the mind can cause the soul to fracture or leave. I believe this is a self-protection mechanism. Those we consider “criminals” and those labeled as “mentally ill” need spiritual healing, prayer, meditation, and spiritual practices. Most people perform these tasks every day without ever realizing they are in a constant state of repair and growth. We haven't gotten there yet, but these people are in need of spiritual healing, not doctors or prisons.