Soul Retrieval

[petra]

When I met the guy who thought he was the Devil (but he wasn't) he got me interested in watching the show Breaking Bad

Spoiler alert. It's about a man who is dying of an illness and looks to illegal means in order to provide for his family. It's a slippery slope, and towards the end he has pretty much lost his mind completely.

I got him to watch District 9 He didn't really like it.. he thought it was creepy.

[Docim369]

Ok let's do this.
The perfect time for this thread for me, to share my recent story. I did though hesitate, but then decided to share, maybe it could help someone else.
This year I have had several very tough emotional purging. And good coincidences, where I have been lead to books, stories and people.
As if everything was "set up" by the Spirit.
And the battle has been fierce but beautiful.
Let me mention just 2 very interesting books: Inherited Family Trauma - Mark Wolynn and Sould Retrieval - Sandra Ingerman.
Those two were real revelations for me.
Several times in these months I had felt an weird feeling, kind of tightness under the belly, navel part or what the Eastern tradition would call "hara".
There times were emotionally tough and one rainy day I was called to take MDMA, which is known for healing PTSD, trauma release.
I took time just for myself, played soft healing music and after about 6 hours I felt a part of return inside my body through the hara. Sandra Ingerman mentions that the lost soul parts tend to return that way.
I have felt a significant change of momentum ever since (2 months now). I perceive colors and sounds in a different, more lively manner. I am calm and grounded as I have not been in 25 years, since I had this soul part leave do to trauma of loss in partnership.
Since this retrieval I have put emphasis on integration, mostly by writing many pages of buried emotion.
I am not encouraging anyone doing any substances without great caution and respect and a clear intention!
It really is beyond words this experience! I have also seen other people notice something different in me. I am whole again, at least concerning this lost part.
Soul retrieval is real!
All the best, sending Avalonians love.

[petra]

Posted by Docim369 (here)
I perceive colors and sounds in a different, more lively manner.

Thanks for sharing Docim369! This part stands out to me particularly, would you care to elaborate? Do you have a favorite color? Any special feelings towards the color purple?

As for substances, I still do hash occasionally. I'm not supposed to, as it could exacerbate my psychosis. I'm being very careful.

Those books you mentioned sound important to me too! I have a weird family first of all, and I also think I might have several souls in my body (either that or I might be possessed). It's just SO HARD for me to read anymore, I don't really know why. I just can't read any books, and I used to love reading. PA is different.. I can read postings on here just fine. I usually skip the Youtube videos because they're just so long, and I just love postings like this one where people are straight and to the point.

[Docim369]

Nothing special concerning the purple color, despite being one of my favourites.
I have consciously chosen to live in touch with nature as i can, limiting smart screens and am going against the flow of smart IDs. I see the retrieval as a gift from Spirit

[Agape]

I can see Docim "has been there" and he is quite right . For most people OF TODAY
Soul retrieval would happen naturally once disconnected from internet,
discarding all ( or most of ) artificial IDs.

If it were meant to be "for real" the rest of "given identities" of this or another life too have to be discarded.
But that's where it would be very difficult for "normal, civilised people" to do,
physically, mentally or both.

There always are few "rockers" in the backwoods somewhere who actually did it but it's hard to do and it also requires lots of internal stability , "not to get lost",
not to lose one's good character despite being quite nameless, just a Being though very advanced Being because most people "can't see" and "can't see it that way".

I've also seen various spiritual souls on various stages of getting profoundly lost.

And also have seen people who got to lose themselves and "finding their Soul" by following somebody.


All of 3 groups above , individual losers , chance losers and devotees are in utmost risk of being captured by some very insensitive humans , being made to return to their previous state by coercive therapy ,
they're also prone to falling for chance friends , drugs and other experiments .


There still are monasteries, therapists and "good institutions" for people getting lost or practising "retrieval"; but there are bad ones too so before experimenting with one's Soul even individually everyone should be cautious .

Perhaps letting your best friend know about it. Or, finding good friend first then decide how to "get lost".

When my best friends tell me to "get lost" i know it's for their own private reasons .

Not a lesson , teaching or a therapy.


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[petra]

I am convinced this has something to do with chakras too but im finding it hard to wrap my head around

From what I understand so far, I have a lot of pent up anger and outrage to work through and because of that my chakras are closed for my own protection

[Vicus]

Twins

This thread is sooo far out that I'll give it a try to this question: What about twins?

Could be they share 1 soul? we know all they "mimic" each other...almost in everything...

My interest is because I got very bad experiences with them, almost "satanic", not in imagery but in action/reaction... one pair of them almost costed my life, and they just watching...

I'm still alive only because maybe a "helping hand" got me extra force and could liberate my hands ( I was tie, in a "war" game as child, and the put a plastic bag on my head...) and you know what could happen next...but they do nothing,just waiting...

When I was free they run... because If I get them ... well I don't know if I could restring the consequences...

Here another twins "experience": https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1704514

One "positive" experience was with female twins... but I dint trust them either
and prefer not getting close...

[Arcturian108]

Posted by Vicus (here)
Twins

This thread is sooo far out that I'll give it a try to this question: What about twins?

Could be they share 1 soul? we know all they "mimic" each other...almost in everything...

My interest is because I got very bad experiences with them, almost "satanic", not in imagery but in action/reaction... one pair of them almost costed my life, and they just watching...

I'm still alive only because maybe a "helping hand" got me extra force and could liberate my hands ( I was tie, in a "war" game as child, and the put a plastic bag on my head...) and you know what could happen next...but they do nothing,just waiting...

When I was free they run... because If I get them ... well I don't know if I could restring the consequences...

Here another twins "experience": https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1704514

One "positive" experience was with female twins... but I dint trust they either and prefer not getting close...

Twins do not share a soul. They each have their own souls.

[petra]

What about gingers? Just joking!

I used to research psychopaths and came across some stuff about "soulless people". I asked my mom about it and she told me I was foolish. But I still wonder about that too. Maybe there never used to be any soulless people but there are now. I mean the world is getting pretty bad. She also told me there were NO new souls, and I was horrified. No new ones?! Why?! She did not have the answer to that one.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

She was sort of right. Every soul has always existed and always shall exist. This is because every soul is a fragment or splinter of God, and God has always existed and always shall exist (as best as we understand, metaphysically speaking). Technically speaking, there are no old souls and no new souls -- but there is the new unfolding of consciousness, which I assume is an ongoing process. So a soul that has always existed may not always have been consciously aware of itself.

A billion years ago, let's say, you and I both existed, but not as we currently exist. We may have been a form of elemental spirit energy, merely observing Creation, not participating in it. For that to occur, a spirit needs individuation, to be imbued with the breath of God. Consciousness, or the habitation of spirit with a soul.

Perhaps it's more accurate to say every soul has a spirit that has always existed. The soul part, the individual consciousness, did have a beginning relatively speaking.

Then there's the further distinction of some 'souls' having more awareness, or more enlightenment. These are the souls that seem to be higher up the spiritual ladder than we are. They are more advanced than us because they have had more experience, which means, usually, they have had more incarnations. The perceived young soul is therefore that which has had less incarnations or obtained/accrued less wisdom than a soul further along in spiritual evolution. Although we are all moving to the same destination, spiritually speaking, we are walking along paths, often winding paths, of our own choosing, and at a pace of our choosing, too, because free will is involved.

This is a bit of a cluster bomb of many overlapping thoughts. Maybe it makes sense, maybe not.

[petra]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)
She was sort of right. Every soul has always existed and always shall exist. This is because every soul is a fragment or splinter of God, and God has always existed and always shall exist (as best as we understand, metaphysically speaking). Technically speaking, there are no old souls and no new souls -- but there is the new unfolding of consciousness, which I assume is an ongoing process. So a soul that has always existed may not always have been consciously aware of itself.

A billion years ago, let's say, you and I both existed, but not as we currently exist. We may have been a form of elemental spirit energy, merely observing Creation, not participating in it. For that to occur, a spirit needs individuation, to be imbued with the breath of God. Consciousness, or the habitation of spirit with a soul.

Perhaps it's more accurate to say every soul has a spirit that has always existed. The soul part, the individual consciousness, did have a beginning relatively speaking.

Then there's the further distinction of some 'souls' having more awareness, or more enlightenment. These are the souls that seem to be higher up the spiritual ladder than we are. They are more advanced than us because they have had more experience, which means, usually, they have had more incarnations. The perceived young soul is therefore that which has had less incarnations or obtained/accrued less wisdom than a soul further along in spiritual evolution. Although we are all moving to the same destination, spiritually speaking, we are walking along paths, often winding paths, of our own choosing, and at a pace of our choosing, too, because free will is involved.

This is a bit of a cluster bomb of many overlapping thoughts. Maybe it makes sense, maybe not.

Makes a LOT of sense, thanks! I like the creative use of the word "splinter" too. Have you written any books, Mark? If not perhaps you missed your calling. I find your writing easier to read than most books I have come across.

A billion years ago hey? That's a LOT of years. I'm getting exhausted just thinking about it.

I've often wondered if there's a way to speed up the process of learning souls, without the use of books. Thus reducing the amount of incarnations needed. I'm still skeptical about reincarnation to be honest, it feels shifty to me (sorry). I know for sure that I do not want to reincarnate so I really hope it doesn't "just happen again anyway". If I have to come back, at least let me be a bird or a plant or something that doesn't need to think about itself so much (ha ha)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Unfortunately, enlightenment -- required to achieve mastery of oneself -- cannot be achieved in a single life on Earth, the chaos of which is the perfect proving ground for spiritual progression. It requires many visits or go-arounds. Because life, this Earth, it's a school. And why do we go to school? So we can get qualifications, graduate, and go on to greater things. But you don't get to graduate after one day of attending school. You have to keep going back many, many times.

Reincarnation is just the same. Where there are a thousand and one experiences to be had in a thousand and one permutations and from a thousand and one perspectives, as male and female, short and tall, ugly and beautiful, in lowly conditions and lofty, in broken bodies and pristine -- there's going to be a thousand and one incarnations. This is why we must live many lives. We must live a rounded experience to become a rounded individual. It's a cosmic constant and utterly inescapable, unless you want to stand still. And you can do that if you wish. Never live any lives at all. But it would be the same as watching movies for eternity, never starring in one yourself. You'd get sick of watching people have fun, feel pleasure, living adventures, living "life", from the bodiless astral plane -- eventually you'll want to come and experience it first hand. To star in your own movie and gain experience by living it.

From the bliss on the other side, where you feel safe and loved and everything is wonderful, "life" looks very easy. I think every soul believes that in the beginning. They don't know what it's like to be in a heavy, slow moving reality, separated from God, cut off from your higher self. There's a reason babies start crying the moment they are born. It's tough down here. It's miserable. But it can also be so beautiful. That's the polarity of earth, and it's what makes it so attractive. But it's easy to make mistakes once you're on the incarnation wheel. Mistakes need correcting. You cannot move on until you balance what you put out of balance.

This is the law of cause and effect. You instigate a cause, you must experience the effect. Good or bad. The effect doesn't rebound until the optimal conditions are met. Sometimes that will be in another life -- another reason why reincarnation is necessary. This is called a karmic debt. Before merging with a fetus and starting your incarnation you know exactly what you want to achieve and what debts you need to repay. You forge plans, make contracts, and design situations that will test you. And of course, you cannot come in with your eternal soul-memory intact. Life wouldn't be a test if you knew the answers. Life is about constantly testing yourself, and advancing the quality of your character.

It's in our natural spiritual makeup to constantly push forward, trying to perfect ourself. It's not a hard sell when you know that many amazing, wonderful things lie just beyond and above your current soul level. Existing on a higher plane, you have to increase your awareness, your mastery, and thus your vibration, to reach them. These are the planes where you can be the guides and teachers of less experienced souls. But you can't be a guide or a teacher until you've experienced the same tests, and passed them. You can't be a healer of souls, or of the people on earth, until you yourself have suffered and conquered. Even this is just the beginning. Above and beyond guides and councils lie yet other dimensions/universes where you can touch new realities, new potentials, and experience things you've never dreamt. Then there's the Angelic realms, and the Christ/Logos densities of awareness. There's the creation level itself, where new worlds are born and new life seeded. Where new galaxies are woven together from the cosmic dust. Creation is endless, and so are the possibilities. You're destined to have a hand in it all.

But you have to prove yourself worthy first. And again, you cannot do that in a single life.

The overarching goal of 'incarnating' is to find love, learn love, be love, and obtain self-mastery, to the point where you do not need to have any more 'physical' lessons. You no longer need to incarnate. You instead become pure energy and enter into the wholeness of your ultimate self. Then and only then do you graduate to the higher levels and become a timeless, limitless galactic being of total awesomeness.

[petra]

This makes me slightly less skeptical! Thanks Mark!

I was once told I can either think of the world as a school or a prison, it is up to me. For me I just see it more like a prison..

It's not as if I choose to see it that way, it's what my intuition tells me. My intuition is different than my mother's. I remember getting IDed at the store before and they would not take my real ID! She said that she just had a bad feeling about me. How can intuition go SO WRONG? Maybe I just don't belong here.

I just hope that when I die there will be answers. Ones that make sense.

[shaberon]

Posted by petra (here)
I am convinced this has something to do with chakras too but im finding it hard to wrap my head around

From what I understand so far, I have a lot of pent up anger and outrage to work through and because of that my chakras are closed for my own protection

In our view, you don't have any chakras.

The possibility that you could, is a bit like Docim's post on re-integrating through a lower center..."hara" is not an eastern tradition, it is Japanese, such as hara kiri "stomach cut" as ritual suicide.

What we would tend to call the first chakra is this same region, but it is, so to speak, "treated", or consciously worked on by you to the point where it works. In other words, it has to have a mental fuel additive, and attain a certain function. Because this function is a permanent end of what seems to trouble you, ergo, you haven't got any chakras.

It's not the end of all anger, but, it is the quelling and order of all those who in their serried ranks manifest activity that is akin to boiling or tempest; a form of organization and re-direction, if you will.


As the least-technical example, ogress Hariti was said to steal five hundred children every night to feed her family. It's out of local folklore, and made into some of the earliest statuary. The point is, she was forced to convert. That means the former destructive power is now on the same quest for peace and wisdom as me. Here is a recent bhajan (popular or personally-composed devotional song) which should make the mental nature emphasized:

yo maa harati, jagata janani

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=imcM_1_Waws

"Hariti, mother of the world", doesn't make literal sense, it's not quite about her being the creator or anything like that, but more like the mother of the decision to heal rather than harm.

No, it's not complete enlightenment or anything like that, but it should be an obvious requirement. Were I to let it slip for a second, I would explode like Dr. Faust.

[petra]

Posted by petra (here)
This makes me slightly less skeptical! Thanks Mark!

I was once told I can either think of the world as a school or a prison, it is up to me. For me I just see it more like a prison..

It's not as if I choose to see it that way, it's what my intuition tells me. My intuition is different than my mother's. I remember getting IDed at the store before and they would not take my real ID! She said that she just had a bad feeling about me. How can intuition go SO WRONG? Maybe I just don't belong here.

I just hope that when I die there will be answers. Ones that make sense.

Ok.. I have had a change of heart. I guess I can think of this place like a school.

Lucifer took me to visit Heaven to get interrogated and I think I might be learning all my lessons wrong. It's hard to tell yet, we will have to wait and see. We called this school "Learnin' With Assholes".

Edit: Thanks shaberon too, I didnt really want to learn about chakras anyways

[shaberon]

Posted by petra (here)
I didnt really want to learn about chakras anyways

The corollary is that you said you were loaded with Anger.

Perhaps you are sensitive to citta vrttis or "mind whirlpools". Let's say in my normal, default state, given a chance, I personally become very peaceful and I have a sensation of integrity, of being put together in something like one big flame. I mostly feel like I am one heart-centered thing moving in one direction, up.

If something happens -- usually a human factor -- I may feel something like a reflex that snatches part of that tissue and makes it rush down and out.

If this is minor, I can balance it myself, possibly without even having a bad thought.

It doesn't take much to add the bad thought, then a strong emotion, until it has physical consequences and you wind up tense or shaking.

The standpoint of meditation, is, when seated quietly without any triggers, some beings are going to experience citta vrttis pouring out from their mind. Speaking as no exception, I would say yes, this happened to me, and, proper practice cuts it away.

In this way, Buddhist meditation is different from a lot of other systems because it does not directly address chakras. It can, when and if that becomes important to you, but it only comes from a Noumenal process, a cause within the mind. We are specifically dis-allowed from trying to suggest anyone start tweaking chakras and doing energy work. We have to have the right preparation where we face issues like Anger, which is, at the base level, Aversion, any negative reaction.

Along with that, we would say peace is not a starting condition, but the result of having processed Anger.

I suppose it is what psychologists would like to be able to help with, however the teaching accomplishes the purpose. I consider myself fortunate to have been able to develop this way, because, the more I see about what it is to be lacking, I can easily imagine I might have done something drastic or become violent or criminal. Without a good guide, the wilds might have dragged me down. I think we managed to put away a wendigo. But, yes, this is a serious struggle, to prevent what leads to everything from insanity to war.

[petra]

Posted by shaberon (here)

Posted by petra (here)
I didnt really want to learn about chakras anyways

The corollary is that you said you were loaded with Anger.

I'm learning to deal with it. You have a lot to say most of which I cannot understand. I'm at what you'd probably call the "little kid" level of understanding.

Posted by shaberon (here)
Along with that, we would say peace is not a starting condition, but the result of having processed Anger.

I suppose it is what psychologists would like to be able to help with, however the teaching accomplishes the purpose. I consider myself fortunate to have been able to develop this way, because, the more I see about what it is to be lacking, I can easily imagine I might have done something drastic or become violent or criminal. Without a good guide, the wilds might have dragged me down. I think we managed to put away a wendigo. But, yes, this is a serious struggle, to prevent what leads to everything from insanity to war.

My Buddhist friend has literally no anger so I can see that state in him. I rarely get mad but that feeling is still there. I'm never allowed to have kids. That just hurts, and it has changed me greatly. It has nothing to do with my mental state, all this happened after my child was taken away. They scammed me.

Talking to you is better than talking to a psychologist mainly because I know you're not going to lock me away.

One thing I can say for sure is I never felt violent. My mother did towards the end though. It started to scare me. She was upset at losing her grandchild.

In a way, I still feel her anger too. She wanted to rip some young girl's heart out and show it to her, that's how mad she was.