Brainwashed...The *Alternative* Community Can Also Be Victim of Skilled Propaganda

[AutumnW]

If you don't read from a wide enough spectrum, you end up tunneling deeply into a narrow spectrum of opinion and *facts* from *credible* sources.

There has NEVER been a better time to expose yourself to a vast body of knowledge. AI can help with that. It's not always correct, but it's not bad at compiling a huge amount of data and prioritizing it fairly decently.

Ironically, AI that they created, may help to undermine Thiel, Altman, Gates. Larry Ellison, whose media involvement has silenced any coverage of climate problems, or proper contextualizing of current crises, could be undone by it, too.

Climate change is a subject so rife with conflict of interests, you have to dig for original sources carefully and find out if those sources are working stealthily for monetary reward of some kind.

Essay by Naomi Klein

Retooling and rebranding the old ambitions and privileges of empires, they dream of splintering governments and carving up the world into hyper-capitalist, democracy-free havens under the sole control of the supremely wealthy, protected by private mercenaries, serviced by AI robots and financed by cryptocurrencies.

https://www.theguardian.com/guardian...-times-fascism

[shaberon]

That's something of an insidious nature.

In my younger days, I realized I was becoming prone to what we would now call a Green Nazi.

Long story short, this mostly concerns, as per the last word in the link, Fascism

It means exactly this capitalistic form of government, for the benefit of all these companies who try to spin something that you want.

So, if I "wanted" to curtail environmental issues, they saw me coming.

That doesn't actually address any environmental issues; instead, it leads you to the position of either being a willing idiot, or, a victim of reprisals.

The first way to cause it to not work is don't buy what they're selling.

Recently, it was "Happytalism", cranked out by the guy who founded New World Order as a private company in 1980.

Not going to work. Putting something in a colorful package so I will buy it does not make me happy.

So far, we have a tremendous volume of ideas that have failed to change a thing. How do we reach a superior ideology backed up by a better course of action?

I get the sense that there are only about five or six "negatives" that we might be able to reach a broad agreement on, and, it's not possible to get a much better answer until we reach that point. At the same time, I'm pretty sure if we "do nothing", if we make it easy for wealth to enslave governments, Fascism wins.

By this, it means the meticulously-honed governments of Europe and America in the "neo-colonial" phase. You can't twist it away from the designated targets with comparative arguments about limited or isolated conflicts like in Africa or the Arabian peninsula, which are not a blanket force swallowing up the world. It does not refer to the very temporary example of Nazi Germany, but it does refer to Zionist Israel as an ongoing Euro-American project.

At least in this country, the November Midterms will show the tip of the iceberg as it begins to tip the other way. You notice what the establishment is screaming. Communists! That's the first clue, the modus operandi of Fascism, confessed so plainly a machine could read it. Dollar dominance and squash communists everywhere. Not a joke!

Some kind of Anglo racist spouting "Communists!", that person is a joke.

I have no enemies by birthright or political propaganda, and the whole mentality of threatening us can be expurgated from the vocabulary.

[AutumnW]

Excellent Shabaron. Thank you. I like your emphasis on limited conflicts as opposed to blanket forces.

And the Environmentalist faction of the climate change ideology saw me coming. But I was never sucked in to the Eco-fascism extremist thinking that dismisses space weather altogether, and other natural epochal changes that likely also play a role in climate change.

I wouldn't be open to both sides if I hadn't read extensively from both sides, and I assume you have done the same.

Yes, the old Red Scare bull**** that should have been left in the 50's is back and using the agonies of an economically displaced population to reframe corporate control of government, as Communism, rather than Corporate Fascism.

The midterms in November WILL be interesting, but for those questioning Corporate Fascism, the intensified Red Scare propaganda won't work. It will have the opposite effect.

[Ernie Nemeth]

What's the "ism" in the middle ground?
You know, the ideology of living and let live. What's that called? Can we get on board with that? Nazism and communism are the exact same thing. It's government capture or control, that's it. The common denominator is government. No one ever says no government, right? Someone has to govern because the people are too stupid or immured in pursuits of self interest.
Or is that with government there is always a way to shove policy down the throats of those who oppose it?
Regardless of ideology, people want to be left alone to live their lives.
What's that called? Liberty? Freedom? Death? Tyranny?
Anarchy?
Utopianism?

[Sue (Ayt)]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
What's the "ism" in the middle ground?
You know, the ideology of living and let live. What's that called?

libertarianism maybe?

[East Sun]

If you take religion seriously you will be at the mercy of all sorts of scam artists and crooks.
I finally realized that in my late, more aware years.

That should not turn you off to religion. Just be wary of false prophets lol.

[shaberon]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
No one ever says no government, right?

They don't.

We can come up with hundreds perhaps thousands of conflicts and revolutions to remove a government.

Nothing really about remove government.

Try Bakunin? There is some ideology about it, and that perhaps is as far as it has gotten.

[shaberon]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
The midterms in November WILL be interesting, but for those questioning Corporate Fascism, the intensified Red Scare propaganda won't work. It will have the opposite effect.

The country that most resembles the industrial capitalism that caused the early United States to prosper is China.

The current United States is an amalgam of the former "Powers" who are essentially Fascist in character, meaning even if, for example, France has socialist programs within its government, it is probably more responsible for Fascism than anybody. Mostly along resources and industrial lines. The total sense of the word involves the London School of Economics, meaning financial capitalism. This is a cold, calculating, ever accumulating force, balled together in an obvious way, which for a while, used a blanket term, communism, for a discontinuous, multi-faceted, salad tossing, of, more or less, those questioning Corporate Fascism like you said.

So we release the Cold War mentality.

It was more or less racism.

[Vicus]

Posted by Sue (Ayt) (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
What's the "ism" in the middle ground?
You know, the ideology of living and let live. What's that called?

libertarianism maybe?

Anarchist Gnosticism ?

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...=1#post1721139

[AutumnW]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
What's the "ism" in the middle ground?
You know, the ideology of living and let live. What's that called? Can we get on board with that? Nazism and communism are the exact same thing. It's government capture or control, that's it. The common denominator is government. No one ever says no government, right? Someone has to govern because the people are too stupid or immured in pursuits of self interest.
Or is that with government there is always a way to shove policy down the throats of those who oppose it?
Regardless of ideology, people want to be left alone to live their lives.
What's that called? Liberty? Freedom? Death? Tyranny?
Anarchy?
Utopianism?

It depends what you want to let live, where and how, right?

And can anyone say, "Government", is truly Government, in the US, if it's controlled by Corporations? Reduce the power of Corporations and you might hand back the upper hand to Government.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Corporations controlling government is Fascism.

I get your point about what we let live.

These are the reasons I maintain that materiality is fundamentally an illusion.
Because here we think we are separate, isolated, and capable of independent thought.
But independent thought is impossible in the presence of the Complete Thought that created the universe.

Every thought ever thought is included, it must be, for reality to be continuous, harmonious, and coherent.
There is nothing left out, overlooked, or considered unimportant.
There is nothing new under the sun.
There are no surprises.

And that's how we know we are incomplete beings, as we perceive ourselves today.
For us everything is new, and everything is a surprise...
We do not know, so our own thoughts must come to us unbidden and contextually incorrect.