9/11: Truth Still Matters, Now Over 25 Years Later

[thepainterdoug]

We are in such a strange place, point in history and reality. I happen to believe that the covid scenario we all lived thru has damaged people , their sense of reality , the way they think ,in a variety of strange ways

But I will try to stay on topic here. below is a pic of my view from the Hudson river the following day, 9 /12.

The day before, on 9/11 I remember the second plane entering the scene from the right, from Newark Airport. I remember from my vantage point it appeared to be an unmarked grey plane.. thats what I remember.


Today I have my memories of what I saw and heard. It is quite amazing that we are backed into a corner and have to " Lie" to our own senses in order to live with ourselves .

I studied it all in depth, went to meetings saw all the news. But the story not only doesn't add up, it doesn't come close to adding up. What do I do with that?

The dancing Israelis in the town near me, celebrating the buildings being struck as it happened then weeks later the dancing Israelis then going on TV in Israel saying they were there to document the event.

The van riding around in NYC with a mural of the twin towers being hit by a jet on its side.
The arrests and release of many of these people
Lucky Larrys good fortune of not being at breakfast at window on the worlds that morning and his homerun on terrorist insurance.

Dr Alan Sabrosky of the war college, saying they did it. Israel! , and he being a Jew himself.

Well, that just slightly brushes the reality, and Im sure its all been stated in the earlier pages.

I dont know exactly what happened, but I have my suspicions and I cannot do anything with what I "believe "I know to be true.

some things are not able to be made known.

also attached is a painting I made as a gift to my friend who was a first responder and pretty much not recognized as one.

onward we march./ pd

[shaberon]

Here's something tojog the memory:

US President Donald Trump has delisted top Al Qaeda militants from the list of designated terrorists as America prepares for the 25th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Among those delisted are the names of commanders, recruiters and financiers for the Syrian branch of the Al Qaeda terrorist group, the Gray Zone reported on Friday.

Trump removed from the US list of designated terrorists top Al Qaeda figures such as Abdullah Muhaysini, a Saudi cleric who recruited child fighters and teen bombers to wreak havoc across Syria over the past decade.

Muhaysini, who participated in the videotaped massacre of 56 captive Syrian soldiers at Abu-Dhuhur Air Base in 2015, was removed from the list at the request of Syria's self-proclaimed president Abu Mohammed al-Julani, himself a co-founder of Daesh and founder of Jabhat Al-Nusra, the Syrian branch of Al Qaeda.

Al-Julani, under the instructions of his US-led Western handlers, rebranded Al-Nusra as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, or HTS, before he toppled the democratically-elected government of President Bashar Al-Assad in December 2024.

Since then, al-Julani has been received in the Oval Office by Trump, who has accepted the ex-Al Qaeda terrorist as the local implementer of US plots in the region.

Other figures removed from the terrorist list include Abu Sulayman al-Muhajir, a top Al Qaeda recruiter in Australia who fled to Syria; Shafi Sultan Mohammed al-Ajmi, a major Kuwaiti financier of Al-Nusra; and Abdul Samrez Jashari, an Albanian foreign fighter who has taken on a senior role in Syria’s military under al-Jolani.

Analysts say by lifting the sanctions on Al Qaeda propagandists, funders and recruiters responsible for gruesome atrocities in Syria, the US aims to employ them and their likes once more for its new series of covert operations in the region and beyond.

[Tintin]

Inside the World Trade Centre, January 2000 by E C Lewis

I just thought this may be of interest to some, as it is to me, how a typical office would have looked on 9-11, although obviously recorded 21 months beforehand.

Which of those filmed here were there on 9-11 is impossible to know of course but he does provide mention in the description

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7B8JRuo3oNY

Description:

I was working at May Davis Group as a Jamaican-Born stock broker on the 87th floor of the North Tower at One World Trade Center. I am posting this video because tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of the World Trade Center disaster. Many of my friends in this video lost their lives that day, but I survived. As such, I'm honoring all the lost lives from that tragedy.

Please subscribe to this video for more rare uploads.

[Tintin]

Chris York footage

This is pretty rare and I hadn't seen it until now.

Described as:

Chris York's 9/11 footage, titled "WTC Attack," is a rare, close-up recording of the September 11 attacks captured on a Hi8 tape from the roof of Liberty Court in Lower Manhattan

The first 6 or so minutes captures what was another gorgeous September day, on the 3rd, at the same location, and the remarkable footage on September 11th follows around 06:48:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=boitnlnPIqY

[Tintin]

WTC Webcam footage from 9/11?

Supporting video comments. The OP:

"The original footage was taken from a webcam during the last 20 minutes before the north WTC was hit. We clearly see the Empire State and sunrise, the moment the building is hit and the connection is lost. The footage was captured from the 55-65th floor. The footage is absolutely authentic. No post-processing, enhancement, change of any kind has been made, except from a re-encoding into mp4. The original file's creation date is September 13, 2001."

and

This was recorded from the World Trade Centers Association (WTCA) headquarters on the 77th floor of 1 WTC

It's of interest, for sure, but how really authentic this is is anyone's guess. Over to you...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J5iM3VNfF3o

[Tintin]

'32 Frames: A 9/11 Mystery' reveals photos found on a camera in the 9/11 rubble

This was published to YouTube today, so is as close to 'Breaking' as one could imagine. What is being postulated here is that there might be imagery captured from above the point of impact (WTC North Tower), although no claim is being made that that is the case, it is certainly being speculated.

The description is as follows:

The September 11 terrorist attacks remain among the most visually documented events in human history, yet a quarter-century later, critical photographic evidence from that day remains unseen by the public. In his new documentary, "32 Frames: A 9/11 Mystery," director Jon Walczak examines newly-recovered, previously unpublished photographs taken at the base of the North Tower shortly before its collapse. Developed from a camera found in the rubble, the images are believed to have been captured by a victim who died moments later. Crucial digital media and archival materials from 9/11 face the threat of permanent loss, so Walczak is leading a dual fight for preservation: showcasing these haunting artifacts while also suing the FBI in federal court to force the release of developed disposable camera photos. Those images could be some of the only known pictures captured inside the Twin Towers above the point of impact, which could reshape our understanding of the tragedy's final moments. Walczak joins LiveNOW's Austin Westfall to discuss the documentary.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XslN6IQskj0

[Tintin]

NBC Helicopter footage from evening of September 10th

Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DObjao9kVWZ/?hl=en

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Tintin (here)
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual
aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of
Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying
aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly
into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will
have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the
aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft
meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan.
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This is exactly what happened,

Bingo. This is indeed exactly what happened in my opinion. Been saying it for damn years, since in fact the theory first surfaced - years ago - with Rebekah Roth. See Bill's interview with her here.

What largely side-swiped this theory and buried it in forgetful obscurity -- I can see this happening clear as day -- was the very skilful noise-cancelling counter-intelligence sh!thousery of the Fake 9/11 Truth Movement, the ones shouting, "hey, there were no planes, dummy, it was all an illusion, a camera trick, a hologram". So many fell for this trap/smokescreen, unfortunately. Exactly the intent of those who infiltrated the Truth movement to plant these lies in the first place. It's the more attractive (an interesting) carrot to chase than "of course there were planes, just not standard Boeing planes." Standard Boeing 767s cannot fly anywhere close to 500mph at sea-level like these planes did, as verified by multiple radar returns. They smashed the holes in those buildings because they were literally designed to smash holes in those buildings. "Cartoon physics" they said. No, not when these planes were specially built, designed and reinforced like bunker penetration bombs.

[Eddy Fire]

I remember it wasn't long after 911, that I was surprised to see that Elvis Presley was playing live, then noticed it said hologram in smaller type. I've heard they're very convincing, and are viewed much closer than the 'planes' that hit the towers.

There was that flying control centre, plane close by, hologram cloaked missiles explain the anomalous speed, strange video images, penetration of the WTC's especially strong, load bearing exterior.

The NeoCons tricking Arabs into successfully carrying out that attack, would be very difficult and full of pitfalls. Hologram cloaked missiles would simplify an obviously risky operation.

Having said that, whether you believe it was holograms, drone planes or actual hijackings, it shouldn't divide people after 25 years.

The same with the tower take downs, everyone can agree, enormous amounts of energy were added, to the potential gravitational energy, released by the collapses.

So nukes, explosives or DEWS, doesn't change the crime or the perpetrators.

[Tintin]

Bureau of Transportation Statistics - September 11th, 2001

I'd saved these donkeys years ago, but here, for the record, are the copies that Gerard Holmgren saved way back, directly from the BTS site and which were still accurate, I think until at least 2006.

American Airlines Flight 11 (AA11)

Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...parture%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...version%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...Statistics.pdf

[Tintin]

Bureau of Transportation Statistics - September 11th, 2001

I'd saved these donkeys years ago, but here, for the record, are the copies that Gerard Holmgren saved way back, directly from the BTS site and which were still accurate, I think until at least 2006.

American Airlines Flight 77 (AA77)

Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...parture%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...version%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...Statistics.pdf

[Tintin]

Bureau of Transportation Statistics - September 11th, 2001

I'd saved these donkeys years ago, but here, for the record, are the copies that Gerard Holmgren saved way back, directly from the BTS site and which were still accurate, I think until at least 2006.

United Airlines Flight 175 (UA175)

Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...parture%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...version%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...Statistics.pdf



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Addendum from post #217

Here's a clip from the MSNBC coverage on the day where they use their 'Flight Explorer' system, and you can see flight UAL 175 still airborne in that system, on-screen, after the WTC2 South Tower collapse. It flashes up very quickly, so you'll need to look closely at between 0:38 and 0:42. The zoom-in doesn't help too greatly either as the pixellation makes it nearly impossible to clearly see. (Maybe I'll try and grab a screenshot).

I don't know if at the time that was broadcast that the networks had been told which 'flights' were involved but I'd say that if you wanted some example of the (above) switch-out scenario, and ready prepared script, this would probably work well.

[Tintin]

Bureau of Transportation Statistics - September 11th, 2001

I'd saved these donkeys years ago, but here, for the record, are the copies that Gerard Holmgren saved way back, directly from the BTS site and which were still accurate, I think until at least 2006.

United Airlines Flight 93 (UA93)

Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...parture%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...version%29.pdf



Source: https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...Statistics.pdf

[Tintin]

An Interview with Gerard Holmgren
by David West, June 27, 2005

Source (original): https://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren_interview.htm
Source (library): https://avalonlibrary.net/Tintin/911...20Holmgren.pdf

[Tintin]

Photographs from inside an airplane on morning of September 11th, 2001

These extraordinary shots have come to light, at least for me - I 've not seen them before - and certainly don't appear doctored in any way. These captured the moments after the impact on WTC1 North Tower, from a flight, unknown:

[Tintin]

WTC towers' destruction

From https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/c...quantum10b.htm March 2010.

Citing Dr Judy Wood's fascinating work, although I would state that this was a controlled demolition, but not in the sense that it is commonly understood.

There was also of course a fair amount of rubble - not everything became vapourised - however nowhere near enough to be consistent with two half-million tonne buildings.
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Controlled Demolition:

“The [collapse of the WTC buildings] was not a 'controlled demolition' for the following reasons:

WTC Detritus Pile

“Should have been 1/3 the height of the WTC buildings. The 100+ story WTC buildings were about 1 story high when the collapse of the buildings ended.

A fireman on one of the news videos said the antenna that had been on the top of WTC Building 1 was on the top of a pile of rubble about one story high. The rubble pile should have been 35 stories if it was a conventional controlled demolition.”



WTC Rubble Never Hit the Ground

“This defies gravity, where did the rubble go?”


Footprints

“Geometrically Round Holes: contiguous round holes 24’ in diameter were in the footprints of the WTC buildings 1 and 2, and a 60’ deep geometrically round hole was in the middle of Liberty Street near the WTC. This is evidence of beam weapons. There was no debris inside the footprints of the two WTC buildings, only bare dirt with circles in the dirt.”


Dust

“In videos of the collapse larger particles fell and cascaded down from the buildings under the forces of gravity, but before they hit the ground they vaporized and suddenly went up into the atmosphere like an antigravity demonstration.

Nanoparticles are so tiny that they are not subject to the forces of gravity, so molecular dissociation occurred on the larger particles as they were freefalling, reducing them into nano-particles (0.1 microns in diameter and smaller) that suddenly obeyed other physical laws of quantum mechanics. More evidence of [directed energy weapon or] HAARP/beam weapon technology applied during collapse.”


9/11 Satellite photos

“[9/11 satellite photographs showed] dust going into upper atmosphere –which had to be nanoparticles and may have been enhanced by other technology because most very fine particles/dust would stay in the Troposphere and be rained out in 2 months as we know from depleted uranium particulate releases from battlefield already.”


1400 Toasted Cars

“Located blocks from the WTC buildings, with door handles missing, engine blocks missing, blistering on some parts of the car finish, strange rust patterns on the bodies of the cars.”


Paper Around Cars Not Burned

"Whatever ‘vaporized’ the engine blocks and the door handles on 1400 cars did not ignite fragile and flammable paper lying all over the ground around the cars. If engine blocks and door handles selectively vaporized, why didn’t body of car vaporize?”


Pile of Cars Spontaneously Combusted

“In a news video, the entire pile of cars started burning spontaneously at the same time with no visible cause, it was not a fire that started in one car and spread to others.”


Rust Occurred Immediately

“On cars and trucks, and in FEMA photos there was heavy rust on steel beams – steel does not rust, and it is a slow oxidation process that results in rusting of iron. This rusting happened immediately.”


Basements Of WTC Buildings Undamaged

“Stuffed mannequins in the basement of WTC with clothing on were carried out of the basement undamaged. If a 100+-story WTC building collapsed into its basement and left a 35-story rubble pile, there would be nothing left in the basement. Even streetcars underground at the WTC were pulled out after the collapse and had no damage.”


Prof. Cahill Air Monitoring Samples

“The hardest and most durable materials vaporized (steel, concrete etc), and the most fragile materials (paper) cascading out of WTC windows and all over the ground for blocks were undamaged.”


Truckloads of Potting Soil

“Right after the WTC disaster, the ground was “fuming”, and sequential FEMA aerial photos show 130 dump trucks full of soil (filled almost to the top of the dump truck space) covered with tarps so that the dirt in the trucks was not visible to onlookers on the street, coming into the WTC area, dumping the soil and going out for more.


This happened even before the rescues or cleanup started and it continued for some time. The piles of soil were left for a week and got higher each day in sequential photos. The soil ‘fuming’ lasted until March 2002 (8 months).”


Boots Disintegrated

“Boots on emergency responders disintegrated after 2 hours. They had to get new boots every 2 hours – an effect of molecular dissociation. It was not from burning, their skin would have been damaged.”


No Ground Fuming During Rain

“For 99 days the “burning” (fuming) continued at the WTC site, but when it rained there was no fuming. If it had been fires burning, the rain would have caused steam from heating rainwater.”

USGS: Iron versus Steel

“The USGS analyzed the mineral form of the rust on steel beams and iron objects at the WTC. They did not address the ‘steel does not rust’ issue, but dodged it by referring to the rusted steel beams in the rubble pile as ‘iron beams’ and gave mineral analyses of iron minerals produced by oxidation.”


Official Sample Data Not Reliable

“Spectral absorption images at the WTC indicated average particle size was about 1 micron, which is subjected to gravity and would have fallen with the collapsed buildings.



USGS did not collect many dust samples and collecting samples by other different agencies did not agree with each other. No samples were taken at the toasted cars.”


Directed Energy Weapon Evidence

“Evidence of use of a directed energy weapon was present at the top of the WTC buildings as ‘lathering up’ started before buildings started coming down. ‘Lathering up’ in videos preceded the collapse of all buildings, even Building 7 which supposedly Larry Silverstein when he said, 'Pull it' to firefighters meant controlled demolition.



Color alteration and modification in news videos compared to other photos/videos at tops of buildings indicates “doctoring” of images. When the Seattle Dome was destroyed with controlled demolition, the dust created by the destruction did not get any higher than the top of the building.



The WTC dust got into the upper atmosphere almost immediately – which indicates very tiny atmospheric dust sized particles (0.1 micron and smaller), in fact smaller than atmospheric dust that stays mainly in the Troposphere.




“Lathering Up” Incriminating

“WTC Building 7 ‘lathered up’ even before WTC Building 2 went down. WTC Building 7 not damaged at all by WTC Building 2 going down – right next to each other.”

Freon tanks

“Very odd, large tanks were removed from WTC building and OSHA made bogus statement about what and why they were removed. Was Freon used in WTC takedown?



A NYC cop whom the researcher met with Cindy Sheehan said he was injured in WTC Building 7 and removed on a gurney, but his eyes were covered so he could not see anything as they left the building.

He reported he was able to see dead bodies lying all over the floor as he was being carried out – before building 7 had collapsed. Was this due to Freon asphyxiation put through ventilation system like in a recent Russian submarine dis/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_146.htm_911_146.htm_911_146.htm>

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Dr Judy Wood Breakthrough Energy Conference (2012)

[Johnnycomelately]

25th anniversary is 2 days away.

I have spoken on Avalon about having seen the broadcasts that day, and about my later extensive research about the events. This post is not about me.

Here is an interview of a USAF pilot who was airborne that day, who was given a terrible task. She did not have to do it, as things turned out. A glimmer of God’s grace, in a day of heartbreaking travesty.


Fighter pilot reflects on order to sacrifice herself to stop Flight 93 on 9/11

PBS NewsHour
5.36M subscribers

Sep 8, 2026

On 9/11, the passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 stormed the cockpit, forcing the hijacked jet to crash in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. But before the world knew of their bravery, members of Washington, D.C.’s Air National Guard were prepared to make their own sacrifice. Nick Schifrin brings us the story of pilot Heather “Lucky” Penney.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZBw5Nn2uv8Y

[Vicus]

9/11 victim becomes 1,654th identified after new genetic genealogy breakthrough

New York City forensic investigators have identified another victim of the Sept. 11, 2001, World Trade Center attacks using investigative genetic genealogy for the first time in the identification effort, applying DNA-based techniques that were unavailable when the attacks occurred 25 years ago.

Nearly 25 years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, New York City authorities have identified another person killed at the World Trade Center through a forensic genetic genealogy technique never before successfully used in the city's long-running effort to identify the victims.

The New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner and the New York Police Department's Detective Bureau made the identification using investigative genetic genealogy, according to an ABC News report published Sunday.

The victim was an adult woman whose family chose not to publicly disclose her identity.

"The family of the newly identified victim, who was an adult female, declined to publicly come forward. She is the 1,654th to be formally identified," ABC News reported.

The development leaves hundreds of victims still unidentified from the attacks on the World Trade Center, where the destruction and extreme conditions complicated traditional forensic identification efforts.

A video report on the identification detailed the use of the new methodology.

Dr. Jason Graham, New York City's chief medical examiner, described the identification as a "breakthrough" in the decades-long forensic effort.

Graham told ABC:

"I was delighted to be able to say that we've now applied new methods to the World Trade Center identification efforts, and we have a new identification for the first time in 25 years using new methods, forensic investigative genetic genealogy."

Investigative genetic genealogy combines DNA testing with traditional genealogical research to establish biological relationships and reconstruct family connections.

That technology was not available to forensic investigators when terrorists attacked the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

continue: https://www.sott.net/article/508092-...y-breakthrough

[Satori]

Posted by Satori (here)
On the occasion of the 21st anniversary I am again posting a peer-reviewed article I wrote in March of 2015. (It was peer-reviewed by 3 engineers and 3 lawyers.) The article can be found on the websites of The Journal of 9/11 Studies, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Global Research. David Ray Griffin called the article “An important brick in the wall of 9/11 truth.”

http://www.journalof911studies.com/r...eyVol40Mar.pdf

On the occasion of the 25th anniversary of 9/11 I humbly bump this post.

[Tintin]

Posted by Satori (here)

Posted by Satori (here)
On the occasion of the 21st anniversary I am again posting a peer-reviewed article I wrote in March of 2015. (It was peer-reviewed by 3 engineers and 3 lawyers.) The article can be found on the websites of The Journal of 9/11 Studies, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Global Research. David Ray Griffin called the article “An important brick in the wall of 9/11 truth.”

http://www.journalof911studies.com/r...eyVol40Mar.pdf

On the occasion of the 25th anniversary of 9/11 I humbly bump this post.

I've saved your excellent work to the library here. If you have any objections to that, please let me know and I'll remove it, although I would resist quite fiercely