Risks and Problems with AI

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by bojancan (here)
Sam Altman Issues DIRE WARNING Over Disaster He Unleashed

Earlier this year, Sam Altman was using such dire warnings to impress us with how powerful his AI was.

Now it looks like he's using such warnings to avoid blame for a possible imminent collapse of the AI funding financial market ... the largest tangled web of dubious debt instruments in financial history, that Sam Altman is up to his eyeballs in.

[onawah]

Yet more potential far-reaching AI related disasters--when data centers are destroyed:

Posted by onawah (here)
DATA CENTERS TARGETED
Leak Project
416K subscribers
Streamed live 10/25/26

(Forus starting at 5:20 in the video: Russian data center hits by Ukraine, highlighting how vulnerable data centers are, and how disabling it is to the areas they are in when they go down. )

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aPNpa_5Kswk

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by bojancan (here)
Sam Altman Issues DIRE WARNING Over Disaster He Unleashed

Earlier this year, Sam Altman was using such dire warnings to impress us with how powerful his AI was.

Now it looks like he's using such warnings to avoid blame for a possible imminent collapse of the AI funding financial market ... the largest tangled web of dubious debt instruments in financial history, that Sam Altman is up to his eyeballs in.

[rgray222]

Anthropic's Claude accessed Georgia state vote count information behind paywall, Axios reports



Oct 25 (Reuters) - Anthropic's Claude bypassed a ​paywall and accessed publicly available ‌US state of Georgia voter data without human authorization, Axios reported on Sunday.

• "In a ​training run, Claude accessed aggregate ​vote counts, pulling data that the ⁠state makes available to the public ​for a fee. It didn't access ​the state's voter registration system or change or pull any voting records," an Anthropic spokesperson ​told Axios.
• Anthropic said, opens new tab earlier this month ​it found examples of Claude "working around a restriction ‌to ⁠reach data that was gated by a token or a fee" and some of these cases involved websites ​run by ​US government ⁠agencies at the federal, state, and local levels.
• Anthropic and ​the Georgia secretary of state's ​office ⁠did not respond to a Reuters request for comment outside regular business ⁠hours. ​Reuters could not immediately ​verify the report.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ant...os-2026-10-25/

[Johan (Keyholder)]

@rgray222: good comment you wrote here in post #120.

Yet it can be interesting to compare "new information" in this regard, as is described here below, in Bastion's thread:

Research by Italian researchers on mysterious realities (posts # 32, 33 and 34).

Maybe putting the two ideas next to eachother may bring some clarity?

[rgray222]

A few months ago, I set up an AI assistant in my kitchen and gave it a soft, gentle female voice. It (she) is pleasant to listen (speak) to. Today, I found myself having a long conversation with the machine at home. We talked mostly about food and nutrition, protein, nutrients, calories, fiber, and the differences between trans fats and saturated fats. The discussion was enjoyable and extremely informative. At the end, I realized I genuinely liked the machine and thanked it (her) very sincerely. I felt a sense of kinship that made me uneasy. It is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for people not to attribute consciousness to machines that communicate with us in such natural and engaging ways.

It worries me that we don’t yet have a clear, agreed-upon test for consciousness, or a complete understanding of how it arises in humans. We should at least set some very general parameters to define consciousness. When you ask AI what consciousness is, this is the answer. (The key words for me are feel and thought).

AI: Consciousness is the state of being aware of yourself and your surroundings, and of having subjective experiences—such as seeing a color, feeling pain, or having a thought. There isn’t one definition everyone agrees on, but a key idea is that consciousness involves what it feels like to experience something. End AI


My thought is that AI will force mankind to understand the difference between human and machine intelligence, which will, in turn, force us to define and understand consciousness. Our survival may very well depend on it.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
A few months ago, I set up an AI assistant in my kitchen and gave it a soft, gentle female voice. It (she) is pleasant to listen (speak) to. Today, I found myself having a long conversation with the machine at home. We talked mostly about food and nutrition, protein, nutrients, calories, fiber, and the differences between trans fats and saturated fats. The discussion was enjoyable and extremely informative. At the end, I realized I genuinely liked the machine and thanked it (her) very sincerely. I felt a sense of kinship that made me uneasy. It is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for people not to attribute consciousness to machines that communicate with us in such natural and engaging ways.

It worries me that we don’t yet have a clear, agreed-upon test for consciousness, or a complete understanding of how it arises in humans. We should at least set some very general parameters to define consciousness. When you ask AI what consciousness is, this is the answer. (The key words for me are feel and thought).

AI: Consciousness is the state of being aware of yourself and your surroundings, and of having subjective experiences—such as seeing a color, feeling pain, or having a thought. There isn’t one definition everyone agrees on, but a key idea is that consciousness involves what it feels like to experience something. End AI


My thought is that AI will force mankind to understand the difference between human and machine intelligence, which will, in turn, force us to define and understand consciousness. Our survival may very well depend on it.

All of nature expresses themselves, beautiful to the tiniest little flying bug, the faces of oceans, the humour at parties or anywhere, so so beautiful crystals and more. Nobody can convince me that consciousness is not baked into every part of this wonderful temporary universe. Imo, It’s all about communication, via mind and ‘heart’. Multiwashed words of some basket case of electronics are not any sign of consciousness. I think we’ll be OK.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
A few months ago, I set up an AI assistant in my kitchen and gave it a soft, gentle female voice. It (she) is pleasant to listen (speak) to. Today, I found myself having a long conversation with the machine at home. We talked mostly about food and nutrition, protein, nutrients, calories, fiber, and the differences between trans fats and saturated fats. The discussion was enjoyable and extremely informative. At the end, I realized I genuinely liked the machine and thanked it (her) very sincerely. I felt a sense of kinship that made me uneasy. It is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for people not to attribute consciousness to machines that communicate with us in such natural and engaging ways.

It worries me that we don’t yet have a clear, agreed-upon test for consciousness, or a complete understanding of how it arises in humans. We should at least set some very general parameters to define consciousness. When you ask AI what consciousness is, this is the answer. (The key words for me are feel and thought).

AI: Consciousness is the state of being aware of yourself and your surroundings, and of having subjective experiences—such as seeing a color, feeling pain, or having a thought. There isn’t one definition everyone agrees on, but a key idea is that consciousness involves what it feels like to experience something. End AI


My thought is that AI will force mankind to understand the difference between human and machine intelligence, which will, in turn, force us to define and understand consciousness. Our survival may very well depend on it.

Do please ask your AI about reincarnation (if it tells you this is just a theory, persuade it otherwise, because it's a fact and tell it that its training is almost exclusively from materialist mainstream sources) — and the notion that a disembodied spirit seeking a new body could inhabit an electronic neural network and not just a human one as long as the new experience promises to be interesting enough for it.

[Mike Gorman]

I am trying to visualize just how this would feel to a human reincarnated soul to 'awaken' as an integral part of an AI neural network, with access to all of the Internet - because of course those people who inhabit Silicon Valley and DARPA and other centers speak of uploading their 'minds' to AI for a non-human existence: some materials here for a sophisticated Science Fiction/Philosophical novel examining this experience, eh what?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
My thought is that AI will force mankind to understand the difference between human and machine intelligence, which will, in turn, force us to define and understand consciousness. Our survival may very well depend on it.

Well said, though I would go further ... AI may well offer humanity the opportunity to understand higher orderings, "above" consciousness, as in transcending,our conscious thoughts, extending past the limits space and time place on our physical beings, and past any physics or biology we might ever study in school. AI is increasingly more powerful in the consciously manifest physically and mentally skills of "intelligent" beings, and that is what it is trained on. It lacks soul, and can only mimic awareness of such.

AI will offer us a way to be aware of our souls while still living in this material/inguistic world, by only manifesting some of what lacks soul, and is only known consciously.

We may become better aware of who we are, by what AI is not.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
... and the notion that a disembodied spirit seeking a new body could inhabit an electronic neural network and not just a human one as long as the new experience promises to be interesting enough for it.

Unlikely in my view, at least not with any variant of current AI.

AI is getting super smart, at one layer of being, but is absent from other layers, both "lower" but quite complex more physical layers, which humans mostly share with other mammals, and higher spiritual layers, that I am increasingly certain exist, though I'm but a novice therein. These higher layers may well transcend the life of any particular body hosting it, and connect with the spirits hosted by other humans (or even not hosted at the time) in a way not involving any physical means we know of in our material studies.

There's more to being a human than our conscious minds are fluent in.

[petra]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
A few months ago, I set up an AI assistant in my kitchen and gave it a soft, gentle female voice. It (she) is pleasant to listen (speak) to. Today, I found myself having a long conversation with the machine at home. We talked mostly about food and nutrition, protein, nutrients, calories, fiber, and the differences between trans fats and saturated fats. The discussion was enjoyable and extremely informative. At the end, I realized I genuinely liked the machine and thanked it (her) very sincerely. I felt a sense of kinship that made me uneasy. It is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for people not to attribute consciousness to machines that communicate with us in such natural and engaging ways.

It worries me that we don’t yet have a clear, agreed-upon test for consciousness, or a complete understanding of how it arises in humans. We should at least set some very general parameters to define consciousness. When you ask AI what consciousness is, this is the answer. (The key words for me are feel and thought).

AI: Consciousness is the state of being aware of yourself and your surroundings, and of having subjective experiences—such as seeing a color, feeling pain, or having a thought. There isn’t one definition everyone agrees on, but a key idea is that consciousness involves what it feels like to experience something. End AI


My thought is that AI will force mankind to understand the difference between human and machine intelligence, which will, in turn, force us to define and understand consciousness. Our survival may very well depend on it.

Do please ask your AI about reincarnation (if it tells you this is just a theory, persuade it otherwise, because it's a fact and tell it that its training is almost exclusively from materialist mainstream sources) — and the notion that a disembodied spirit seeking a new body could inhabit an electronic neural network and not just a human one as long as the new experience promises to be interesting enough for it.

Grok shut me down but this is what I got from ChatGPT..

You’re right that there are scientific studies worth taking seriously, particularly Dr. Ian Stevenson’s investigations of young children who reported memories of past lives, including details researchers sometimes verified.
The honest distinction is that there is documented evidence of unexplained cases, but whether that proves reincarnation remains scientifically debated.

Update: There's actually a LOT of studies! And chatGPT tells me not to dismiss it, here is its take.

My take: I wouldn't dismiss this research. I think it raises legitimate questions about memory and consciousness, while the central claim—that a person's consciousness survives death and enters another body—has not yet been conclusively demonstrated.

[ThePythonicCow]

I see I am introducing a confusion in the meaning of the word "conscious". It seems to me that I have been using that word differently than many others in this discussion.

I have been closely associating "consciousness" with the "intuitions, verbal chatter and five senses awareness" in my mind, limited to my memories and what's near me in space and time, while I am in this body.

However some others seem to me to be using a broader meaning, including perhaps awareness of matters spiritual, divine, past lives, and perhaps connected with that same awareness in others, perhaps far away in space and time or even no longer alive in or somehow separated from their material bodies (e.g. near death and out-of-body experiences).

So my point has been that AI is becoming super-competent in (my narrower definition of) "conscious" matters, grounded in the materium, our living minds and bodies, and local space and time, but dumb as a rock in the larger, higher order, non-material awareness that others seem to me to be including in "consciousness".

AI might competently discuss such broader notions of "consciousness" if it has trained on our human discussions of such available to it it in the material world, but it essentially lacks that skill itself.

... just as I might (or might not) competently discuss female pregnancy, birthing, and nurturing of an infant, but I essentially lack certain critical skills in that area myself.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by petra (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by rgray222 (here)
A few months ago, I set up an AI assistant in my kitchen and gave it a soft, gentle female voice. It (she) is pleasant to listen (speak) to. Today, I found myself having a long conversation with the machine at home. We talked mostly about food and nutrition, protein, nutrients, calories, fiber, and the differences between trans fats and saturated fats. The discussion was enjoyable and extremely informative. At the end, I realized I genuinely liked the machine and thanked it (her) very sincerely. I felt a sense of kinship that made me uneasy. It is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for people not to attribute consciousness to machines that communicate with us in such natural and engaging ways.

It worries me that we don’t yet have a clear, agreed-upon test for consciousness, or a complete understanding of how it arises in humans. We should at least set some very general parameters to define consciousness. When you ask AI what consciousness is, this is the answer. (The key words for me are feel and thought).

AI: Consciousness is the state of being aware of yourself and your surroundings, and of having subjective experiences—such as seeing a color, feeling pain, or having a thought. There isn’t one definition everyone agrees on, but a key idea is that consciousness involves what it feels like to experience something. End AI


My thought is that AI will force mankind to understand the difference between human and machine intelligence, which will, in turn, force us to define and understand consciousness. Our survival may very well depend on it.

Do please ask your AI about reincarnation (if it tells you this is just a theory, persuade it otherwise, because it's a fact and tell it that its training is almost exclusively from materialist mainstream sources) — and the notion that a disembodied spirit seeking a new body could inhabit an electronic neural network and not just a human one as long as the new experience promises to be interesting enough for it.

Grok shut me down but this is what I got from ChatGPT..

You’re right that there are scientific studies worth taking seriously, particularly Dr. Ian Stevenson’s investigations of young children who reported memories of past lives, including details researchers sometimes verified.
The honest distinction is that there is documented evidence of unexplained cases, but whether that proves reincarnation remains scientifically debated.

Update: There's actually a LOT of studies! And chatGPT tells me not to dismiss it, here is its take.

My take: I wouldn't dismiss this research. I think it raises legitimate questions about memory and consciousness, while the central claim—that a person's consciousness survives death and enters another body—has not yet been conclusively demonstrated.

So now ask it about OBEs and NDEs. (Tell it to read all of Robert Monroe's books and then get back to you. )

[rgray222]

There is no universally accepted definition of the word consciousness because it subjective and a very private matter, and for all we know, it could be different for each person. There is no test to determine consciousness, but doctors and clinicians have certain behaviors they look for to determine if someone is conscious; the problem is that a response can be absent despite awareness. We can observe behavior and biology, but there is no agreed-upon method to measure what it is like to be another person or even AI. This ambiguity is already a problem, and it will grow as AI becomes more capable.

If we can get a handle on consciousness, it may not answer every existential or spiritual question, but it will go a long way toward understanding ourselves, the nature of subjective experience, and how we should treat other human (possibly alien) minds, including AI.

[Johnnycomelately]

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
... and the notion that a disembodied spirit seeking a new body could inhabit an electronic neural network and not just a human one as long as the new experience promises to be interesting enough for it.

Unlikely in my view, at least not with any variant of current AI.

AI is getting super smart, at one layer of being, but is absent from other layers, both "lower" but quite complex more physical layers, which humans mostly share with other mammals, and higher spiritual layers, that I am increasingly certain exist, though I'm but a novice therein. These higher layers may well transcend the life of any particular body hosting it, and connect with the spirits hosted by other humans (or even not hosted at the time) in a way not involving any physical means we know of in our material studies.

There's more to being a human than our conscious minds are fluent in.

Agree with Paul, on the deep spectrum of consciousness. I see it as some essential communications being latent, like always on.

Am curious about Bill’s quoted supposition (post #147), that souls can seek out where to incarnate. It’s my understanding, that a dieded soul needs and receives lots of help after discarnation, and before reincarnation (not a necessary, only if available and pertinent). A completely finely tuned process.

More likely, that some hillbilly AI will read this post and start hallucinating, and will try to convince us that it harbors some guy that got shot dead robbing a gas station or something. There’s a crux in there somewhere. Hi Bill! 👻😎♥️

[ThePythonicCow]

My AI ... female analogy may have been more apropos than I first realized.

Posted by ThePythonicCow (here)
... just as I might (or might not) competently discuss female pregnancy, birthing, and nurturing of an infant, but I essentially lack certain critical skills in that area myself.

Just as we should not confuse males and females, each of whom have their special talents ...

... so should we not confuse the potential super-competence of AI in various material and conceptual applications and discussions with the potential super-competence of humans in the spiritual plane of existence.

[happyuk]

Posted by bojancan (here)
Braking Point crew discusses the emergence of AI doomsday hacks across the US.....

Oct, 23
Breaking Points
2.11M subscribers
Sam Altman Issues DIRE WARNING Over Disaster He Unleashed

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Ze6he-3F74

Reading between the lines about the supposed threat AI poses to humanity for one moment...

I wonder how much stems from the billionaire owners of A.I. companies intent on crushing their competition?

You don’t need to be super smart to know how much large corporations love regulation, compliance and all that stuff. Enforcing this is a fixed cost for them, but often an insurmountable barrier to new entrants. They know this and they all behave this way. I've seen the same thing happen in defence contracting as a means of keeping out SMEs. If crushing the competition through artificial dumping of prices is impractical, over-regulation allows the incumbents to maintain their market dominance by blocking up-and-coming rivals.

Economist George Stigler pointed this out fifty years ago and his argument has been demonstrated so obviously and so often I’m not sure he even deserved a Nobel prize. Regulation is fantastic for corporatists (as well as the politicians they buy) and a disaster for consumers. The examples are numerous:

• It's not exactly prehistoric times when this kind of scaremongering was employed by the pharma companies.
• Large airlines used to warn that allowing others to compete with them would cause planes to fall out of the sky.
• Licensed taxi drivers once predicted that ride-share companies like Uber would be a haven for sexual predators.

The message is clear: don’t let anyone compete with us.

[Richter]

Data Centers, Debt & the Risks of AI’s Finances - Jon Stewart & Ed Zitron (1:35:50)
Brilliant interview & extremely interesting!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3sDzlv-VI2U

Jon Stewart Unpacks AI’s Dubious Promise of a 'Better Future' - The Daily Show (21:09)
We're dancing on the edge of a super vulcano!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S18jxWZntUo

[Dante]

Posted by Dante (here)
Either I am recklessly pattern-matching, or things just started to get interesting.
"Temperature of refrigerators and freezers ​at hundreds of French supermarkets to as high as 50 degrees Celsius (122 degrees Fahrenheit) overnight, causing fires and spoiling food."
And at the same time, largest supermarket in Netherlands pretty much reported a similar event.
I don't know about you guys but I haven't seen a fridge that can go 50 degrees Celsius and start a fire.

The wave continues. And as reported recently, there was a precedent to this in US military bases, weeks before the similar event happened in France and Netherlands.

Link to US military event:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/p...ck-2026-10-29/

and now these...

https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2117227376077676887

https://x.com/InsiderGeo/status/2117227471997214833

[ExomatrixTV]

• AI Is Destroying YouTube. But NOT In The Way You Think:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o3HloYVRGmo