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    This is our Dharma talk from encountering Mahamaya and the presence of Five Families.

    It's almost simple, but, we also keep seeing numerous publications that keep saying something is something. It's not. There are times and reasons for it to be one way or another. Mahamaya is not a beginner text, but it is quite compact and a very useful example. We'll go over it and some of the others, and say, sometimes they are valid, and give you the lead to figure out what those times are.

    It's not quite a sex-changing entity like Bhurkumkuta may be. There are masculine and feminine versions of it, just like nearly everything else in Sanskrit. The sadhanas are based on Heruka Mahamaya.


    Ariana said, "There are archives on it.

    What is immediately obvious is juxtaposition in the union of Heruka and Buddhadakini. It's not 'Akshobhya and Consort' as if a normal Vajra Family couple, because they are in two different Families.

    It is a Buddha Family-centered mandala, because Vajra Dakini is in the East.

    Buddha Dakini is Red, while Lotus or Padma Dakini is White.

    The tantra is more about Vajra Dakini or that is who he is meditating to/on."


    Fleep said, "It has a final or additional subject that refers to Subtle Yoga."



    Quote tāramuktāphalanibhaṃ jñānāmṛtabinduṃ dhyāyāt|
    Quote iti binduyogaḥ |

    I said, "That is like a large Sadhanamala exercise with songs.

    There is also a Mahamaya with Ratnakarasanti's Gunavati Tika Samhita.

    You find a certain designation for dakinis."


    Quote ḍākinyaśceti vajraḍākinyaḥ| tāsāṃ kirdṛśīnāmityāha--guhyeśvarīṇāmiti|

    "There is also a section where he deals with the fact the Five Skandhas are supposed to transmute into Five Wisdoms."


    Quote pañcajñānānyeṣām-- ādarśanñānam, samatājñānam, pratyavekṣaṇajñānam, kṛtyānuṣṭhānajñānam, suviśuddhadharmadhātujñānaṃ ceti |


    "That's what I mean.

    If you melt the skin of the Bodhicitta, the illusion of Form arises as the Adarsa or Mirror Wisdom. If you are not good at this, it will get ripples and you will go away, or, if you hold it, you will melt the layer of Greed and experience Equality Wisdom. If you make it all the way around, you will go into the Dharmadhatu itself."

    Fleep said, "It's hard like a pearl, and then you melt it into basically semen."

    "Yes.

    It might be warm but it's not literally like a grease fire or anything drastic. I think there might be fiery feelings and headaches associated with failure to concentrate Fire on the Bodhicitta. Something that would be self-correcting, for me, at least."

    "I like that. If this hurts, you're doing it wrong."

    "I think so.

    That's why I want to keep doing it, and I'm not that good at the sadhanas that are supposed to cause it. You all will be more of Buddhists with it than me.

    It's a somewhat rare aptitude seen once in a while, for example, in Dolpopa, who mastered Dharana on retreat in about six months, but, I think he was overzealous and bent the Yogacara terminology in a way that did not need to be done."


    Genta said, "So you've gone from a profuse saturation in the head, which you say is the First Joy, to a thing more like the Bodhicitta is the metal head of a trident and when it melts it just drops. When it hits the lower center, it stops and its nature changes and it climbs back up in a very passive way. But the lower center is not actually the root, it's The Vessel, Bharati.

    Other than that, you haven't really performed the divine or Dharma portions of the teachings, except you can tell about the Skandhas and Prajnas, which just happens to be the main point of it all."

    "Yes. I'm trying to listen to what Buddhism says, rather than just doing the physiological process, which I could do at will with nothing at all. It would just be time spent."

    Fergus said, "In actuality, it must be the Prajnas, the Wisdoms, that are to be Known."


    "Seeing Marici, then, it seems to make sense as fire hitting the bindu, and then she is Vajradhatvishvari without any Vajradhatu.

    That is what the mandala systems are for, and why she is packaged with it. It's indirect, but it's parallel."


    Relative to Maitreya or Jampa, Vajradhatu:


    Quote ...is located to the left of the Byams pa image that gives the lhakhang its name.


    "Quite visibly this is the main thing being done here."


    Quote The verse identifying the master painter is found - in diminutive script - beneath the Vajradhatumandala.

    The majority of mandalas subsidiary to the principal Vajradhatumandala represent Vairocana in his krodha forms, or in his aspect as peaceful Vajrapani (Phyag rdor), in the centre of various emanatory retinues.

    The verses beneath it identify it as the Guru Mandala, "the root mandala of the mahayogatantra", and "the basic instructor and trainer in the root tantra". Ngor chen Kun dga' bzang po is identified here as the Lama of this tantric lineage.

    "You have to import that idea to the visible list in Appendix A and discover the next neighbor is Dharmadhatu Vagisvara Manjughosha.

    This collection is mostly Sarvadurgati Parishodana mixed with Namasangiti. Those aspects of it are recognizable and why they can be said to be progressive, related practices.

    The upper sanctum is a mostly un-reported collection of tantras such as multiple Chakrasamvaras and so forth."


    Dinky said, "The example photos aren't clear enough to make out any details. But you can get the general impression of the Vajradhatu."




    I said, "What we have done is describe a dharani-based goddess equivalent of this.

    Considering this to be an Ngor monument, you may have noticed it is the actual Ngor Monastery where we first found details of Sadhanamala deities like Mahacinakrama and Four Arm Sita Tara."


    Fergus said, "Is it subsumed in the band's use of Heruka-centered Six Families?"





    "Maybe started by.

    Vajradhatu is a Vairocana-centered tantric progression.

    Dakini Jala isn't really a progression, it's more like a template, more like the beginning of a conceptual Vajrasattva. It's perhaps more like the attributes of the Families individually.

    Manjushri is generally held to be an agent of Vairocana, so, the slightly later tantras like STTS, SDPT, and Namasangiti, are based in what look like layers of Wrathful Deities, Mt. Meru, and an Omniscient Vairocana.

    So we take our conceptual Cemetery Heruka as above and look at Mahamaya Tantra what happens. Buddha Dakini is on him. He is in Vairocana's spot. Vajra Family has its spot in the ring. And it becomes mostly about Vajra Dakini.

    What Muses has on Naro even goes on to Utkranti or Transference."


    Quote The time to apply this yoga is instructed by the Tantra of Vajra-Dakini as follows:

    "When the time (of death) comes,
    This teaching is applied.
    If the time (of death) is not near when anyone applies the teaching,
    He is committing the crime of slaughtering Buddha;
    He will certainly fall into hell and be scourged.
    Therefore, one should carefully and diligently study the signs of death."


    "Most of our Yoga is training for this."


    Quote (Purification means that through the practice of Heat Yoga the body and mind are purified.) Without purifying the body through practicing the Heat Yoga it will be useless and futile to perform the Transformation Yoga. This is said in Bhaba Bhadras, because the Tumo practice is the very foundation of Transformation Yoga. The Tantra of Vajra Dakini also says:

    "By means of the Vase Breathing the door is bound (opened).
    Thus, the hole of the door is purified."

    The Tantra of Gdan-bzhi as well as the Tantra of Sambhuda says the same thing. They stress the necessity of having a (tamed) prana for practicing the (Transformation Yoga), only because through practicing the Vase Breathing can the pranas, which run wild toward all organs and gates in the body, be fairly gathered (or tamed). Some people say that, if one reaches the lowest stage of Vase-Breathing practice, one is qualified to perform the Transformation Yoga. This shows their ignorance of the teaching of Tantra.

    In performing the Transformation Yoga, all the nine gates of the body except the Golden Gate on [top of the] the head should first be closed to prevent the escape of the consciousness through these gates. The consciousness should be allowed to exit only from the Golden Gate. According to Tantras, these conditions are required to meet the qualifications of a perfect ground upon which the qualified Tantric yogis may perform the Yoga of Transformation.

    Furthermore, a perfect visualization on the exit of consciousness described by the Tantras is required.

    "That is compatible with this note on the Vow."


    Quote Advayavajra, in his Čaturmudrā, refers to Mahāmudrā in very much the same way that Śakti—as ultimate Divinity as Goddess—is referred to in higher treatises of the Hindu Tantra: "She is not an object subject to time… she combines saṃsāra and nirvāṇa; her substance is universal Love; she is the unique essence of the Innate Transcendent Bliss."

    "Okay. So you have a sort of maximal use of Vajradakini, which is at the Crown Center and at Death, but you, or I, or we, don't have a Vajradakini.

    She is directly addressed as the very beginning of Ratnakarasanti's Mahamaya commentary, as a guide to Five Knowledges and the Tri-kaya."



    Quote || namaḥ śrīvajraḍākinibhyaḥ ||



    namaḥ śrīvajraḍākinyai ḍākinīcakravatirne|
    pañcajñānatrikāyāya jagattrāṇavidhāyine || 1 ||


    this chick is going to eat the Imaginary Nature of Yogacara and try to deliver you some Void Essence:


    Quote yaścaitā vajraḍākinyaḥ parikalpitabandhanān

    "We find one topic of vast secrets, parama guhya, governed by Mahesvari."


    Quote tāsāṃ paramiyaṃ guhyāṃ mahāmāyā maheśvari|
    mahāmāyā mahārau drā bhutasaṃhārakāriṇī||5||

    "In turn, this has to do with Five Families."


    Quote yata iyaṃ maheśvari, ata eva tāsāṃ paramiyaṃ guhyaṃ| tāsāmiti vajraḍākinīnām|


    iyaṃ tu pañcakulasādhāraṇī dharmatā pañcānāmapi tāsāṃ samatā, tatastāsāmapiyaṃ guhyāmiti paramaguhyāmeṣā|


    "Heruka, on acquiring the nature of Vajradakini, is going to make a jnana dakini murti, something like a Jnana Sattva of the Dakini class."


    Quote śriherukaḥ , tena samaḥ sadṛśāḥ | apiśabdād vajraḍākinīsamaḥ | sa iti yogi | tadatra herukasya jñānaḍākinīnā mūrtistadahaṅkāreṇa bhāvanīyā |


    Quote || iti yogeśvarīmahāvidyāsiddhinimittanirdeśaḥ ||1||


    Another area also concentrates around Vajradakini."


    Quote yeneti yena dravyagaṇena | gūḍhamataro vajraḍākinyaḥ || 2 ||


    iti mahāvajraḍākinīnāṃ mataṃ mahāguhyaṃ samāptaṃ sopacāram|





    Part of its Hetu or Cause or Grounds are the higher luminaries of Yogacara:


    Quote hetauprakṛtiprabhāsvaratve sati ṃahyotat phalaṃ satyapi hetau vinopayairbhavati

    Then you go through Vajradhara and Akasadhatu to get to Suksma Yoga. This makes Ramyam Rahasya Jnana. Ramye Rahasya is still the beginning of Dakini Jala and main festivity of most Chakrasamvara. With Dakini Jala it is being taught and trained. Now it is being applied in the Utpatti or Generation Phase.

    It is then called Sri Vajramrta Suksma Yoga.

    Followed by Kha-arisen Vajrasattva in the Navel.


    Quote sā tasya jñānajñeyarupatā | aya cāsya vajradharasya sukṣmajñānamudrākāraḥ | śrisamāje 'pyuktam

    ākāśadhātumadhyasathaṃ bhāvayeccandramaṇḍalam |
    buddhabimbaṃ bibhāvitvā sukṣmayogaṃ samārabhet ||
    nāsāgre sarṣapaṃ cintet sarṣape sacarācaram |
    bhāvayejjñānapadaṃ ramyaṃ rahasya jñānakalpitam || iti ||

    śrivajāmṛte 'pyayamasya sūksmayogaḥ sādhāraḥ sakarmaka ukata

    tiṣṭhate niścalaṃ vidyā amṛtaṃ dhyānamārabhet |
    dhyāyate paramaṃ tatvamamṛtaṃ bindurupiṇam ||
    khamadhye śaśisaṃkāśaṃ śunyatattvamudāhyatam |
    akṣayamavyayaṃ sukṣmaṃ vajrasattvamanāhatam ||
    nābhimadhye sthito devaḥ karṇikāgudagocare |
    sravate śukrarupeṇa bhagaliṅgāntare sthitaḥ || iti |

    These lines show some of the core ingredients.


    Quote sitasūkṣmbjnduryogaḥ |

    pañcajñānāmṛtaṃ tathā |



    Transmundane Awareness is Unelaborated, non-phenomenal:

    Quote lokottaraṃ jñānaṃ niṣprapañcaṃ virakhyam

    and then there is:

    Vajrayogini


    The rest of the tantra is Completion Stage:


    Nispatti Mahamudra Siddhi

    with:

    Akanistha which emanates Seven Worlds. Curiously, this is the only section that uses Simha -- Lion.


    Quote siṃhavikriḍitāṃ mudrāṃ yogino bandhayanti hi |
    prāṇāyāmaṃ suyantritvā dhyātvā jvalati tatkṣaṇāt ||16 ||

    akaniṣṭhabhuvanaparyante saptaloke carācare |
    sarve tato bhāvayanti na ca taṃ buddhayanti hi ||17 ||

    yogāntaramāha--siṃhetyādi | siṃho vīraḥ , tasya vikrīḍitaṃ yasyāṃ sā tathoktā | mudrāmiti ravisomasampuṭām , bandhayantīti baddhāṃ cintayanti , tisubhirakṣarapaṅkti bhiḥ purvavat (1|26) | yogina iti caturdevīparivṛtaśriherukayoge sthitāḥ | prāṇāyāmamiti ucchvāsa niśvāsau | suyantritveti suṣṭhu yantritvā , krameṇa sukṣmīkṛtyetyarthaḥ |

    Genta said, "It carries the sense that Vajrayogini is a result of the cumulative knowledge of Five Dakinis."


    Quote evaṃ sati vajrayoginyaḥ siddhayanti , nānyathā | vajro herukaḥ , yoginyaḥ pañcaḍākinyaḥ | yogaḥśriherukaḥ , tasya ḍākinī gaṇaḥ | saṃvare tābhireva yoginībhiḥ saha sukhavare sati ṣaṭ sukhasthāneṣvityuktam |


    "Maha Vajradakini seems to be the "who" that has been explained by Mahamaya which is the Tantra.

    Buddhadakini has to do with Awakening, with Kunkuma, and with the origin of Five Families. Vajradakini is in the East. The other dakinis are formulaic and only mentioned a few times. So this is still within the pattern that Buddha Family or Vairocana is fivefold form, to which, the sixth principle of Buddhism is hypostatically split, so to speak, out of Vajra Family. Much like Sattvavajri through STTS.

    The tantric commentary is followed by a Mahamaya sadhana, and the one by Kukkuripa.

    The first makes it fairly clear that the Bindu splits into Four Bindus, from which the retinue ring comes. They do a Vajra Giti or song. This is what produces Mahamaya and Buddhadakini.

    Kukkuripa adds this line."


    Quote vajraḍākinīnṛtyena vajrasattvaṃ niveśayet||

    "He uses this description which elsewhere has been taken as a personal name."


    Quote svabhaprajñā


    "Here, it seems to mean Heruka creates Buddhadakini, rather than any other way of her getting there.

    What is most fascinating are the Dakinis simply are the Purified Elements and Wisdoms."


    Quote suviśuddhadharmadhātujñānasvabhāvamātmānaṃ


    pṛthivīdhātvādarśajñānasvabhāvā

    abdhātusamatājñānasvabhāvā

    tejodhātupratyavekṣaṇājñānasvabhāvā

    vāyudhātukṛtyānuṣṭhānasvabhāvā

    Dinky said, "The only way they are distinguishable from the Prajnas is they are Wrathful. Otherwise, you are trying to tell me Earth transforms into the Mirror Wisdom, and so on."

    "That seems to be the case."

    Fergus said, "Transformation to Wisdoms is perhaps first described by Candragomin.

    We have found a few standard ways, and a few different ones.

    Surely, Kukkuripa Mahamaya, as the major basis of all Mahayoga, ought to be an identifiable starting point."


    Ariana said, "It is like the gathering of forces that would be used in a more technical Flask Ritual."

    I said, "Yes, and that's why I've got to give you a corollary.

    Notice this format starts in the center, and makes a face-to-face with the Eastern quadrant, and goes around the ring to make a complete lesson.

    But as I said, from throwing a major tantric switch, my impression was going around and then Tara does this Krtyusthana Jnana, which does something else, it throws you back to the center, to the Void in an out-of-the-ordinary kind.

    And that's exactly what we find in the format explained solely as Wrathful Prajnas."


    Genta said, "But you also have semi-wrathful, a type of bridge or elaboration."



    I said, "Well, there is a type of mobility, which gets confusing.

    In the familiar Zhitro or Kagye' of 100 Peaceful and Wrathful Deities, the Dharmadhatu Wisdom is held by Vairocana in the Peaceful format. But then Akshobhya has it in the Wrathful format.

    Such a thing is non-existent, until we identify the Element, itself, and then Purify it. And there at first you are looking at it basically the same as Akash Dhatu, rather than a sixth, Mano Dhatu. It's not semantics. It's the requirement of Void Gnosis as the substrate of the sixth factor.


    To go to the Dharmadhatu Wisdom, you would start with a Dharmadhatu Vajra (Mind Object) and Dharmadhatu Ishvari (deity thereof). And as we keep saying, if this really arises, you should use Guhyajnana Dakini.


    Guhyajnana can arise from Om or Hrih, and characteristically handles her retinue with Ha Ri Ni Sa. Her guru, Ziro Bhusana, then functions almost as Cinnamasta, and she also Mutters the Dakinis, causing them to move. We are getting a demonstration of Three Channels operating in four chakras, elements, kayas, joys, activities, in fact each way it can be classified is supposed to be used. Ziro Bhusana is literally doing exactly this.

    This is unusual. Those are quite unique seed syllables, and Guhyajnana casts the Four Dakinis in reverse. Let's call this a very different subject than Mahamaya stamping them out in their expected pattern. The common ground is both start with Dakini who is in Vajra Family.


    The other example of Ha Ri Ni Sa is termed an oral lineage from Siddharajni, whom we believe to be the re-incarnations of Mandarava, who increases it a level to Vam Ha Ri Ni Sa [Varahi] for Five Elements and is a Samaya with Jnana Dakini (Sambhogakaya), Mandarava being her Nirmanakaya. The closer you look at these terma and personal lineages, it is profuse in there.


    The mantric syllables of the Four Dakinis are used by another Sarma principal.

    Siddharajni's sadhana is Vilasini, who, at Virupa's Yoga level, introduces Padmajvalini in her retinue of nine: these being "the vilasinis".

    Padmajvalini is Dharmadhatu Vajra. Or, she is Space Element in Abhidanottara Tantra. Padmajvalini continues to be used by Varahi from Abhisamaya-manjari. We're going to look at some of the few ways the Prajnas as Wisdoms are found.



    Siddharajni has a sadhana of Jinasagara and Vilasini. Guhyajnana and Dakinis eventually promote Jinasagara to Padmajala. When Padmajala appears in Vajra Rosary, it is during the explanation of the Rosary, which says the winds move through the six wheels in a nine-fold way, which is fifty-four, and doubling this is 108 or the beads on Rosary.


    Varahi's Vilasini has:

    Quote mAmakI, lochanA, tArA and pANDaravAsinI. These four deities are respectively kuleshvarI-s of the kulas of akShobhya, amoghasiddhi, amitAbha and vairochana.


    eṃ Amitābha--Perceptions--Fire--Discriminating Wisdom--Human Flesh
    āṃ Vairocana--Form--Earth--Dharmadhātu Wisdom--Feces
    rīṃ Akṣobhya--Consciousness--Water--Mirror-Like Wisdom--Urine
    raṃ Amoghasiddhi--Intentions--Wind--All-Accomplishing Wisdom--Blood
    brīṃ Ratnasambhava--Sensations--Space--Equality Wisdom--Semen

    It becomes apparent that despite being at the end, Ratna or Jewel Family is centered. It has imported Equality Wisdom, typically found in the South. Consequently, some more of the regular format is distorted. Or, this does not match Mahamaya.

    It's not the same Manjari as Abhayakara's. The Abhisamayamañjarī by Śākyarakṣita is a Buddhist tantric text closely related to the Herukābhisamaya by Lūyīpāda, which in turn is probably based upon the Yoginīsaṃcāratantra.


    Here's an arrangement where they match the customary pattern.



    Quote earth, Patani, Locana, yellow, wheel, chopper, skull bowl, skull staff

    water, Marani, Mamaki, black, vajra, chopper, skull bowl, skull staff

    fire, Akarsani, Pandara, red, lotus, chopper, skull bowl, skull staff

    wind, Nartes'vari, Tara, green, sword, chopper, skull bowl, skull staff

    space, Padmajvalini, Dharmadhatuvajra, grey, 3 faces: grey, red, & white, goad, Brahma's severed head, chopper, skull bowl, staff, noose


    Ariana said, "The written Vilasini sadhanas are attributed to Virupa and Sabara. Virupa's Vilasini is the chief of the following retinue, so, by correspondence, Vilasini equates to the invisible Prajna (10) over Padmajvalini."


    Quote pRithivi bIja: 1) pAtanI – chakra and kapAla; 2) lochanA – kartari and khaTvA~Nga; both are yellow in color.

    jala bIja: 3)mAraNI- kulisha and kapAla; 4)mAmakI – kartari and khaTvA~Nga; both are black in color

    agni bIja: 5) AkarshaNI – lotus and kapAla; 6)pANDAravAsinI – kartari and khaTvA~Nga; both are red in color, but the later wears white clothing.

    vAyu bIja: 7) narteshvarI – khaDga and kapAla; 8) tArA – kartari and khaTvA~Nga; both are green in color.

    AkAsha bIja: 9) padmajvAlinI – 4 hands, a~Nkusha, brahmA’s head, kapAla and daNdAyudha, grey in color; trimukhI- 3 heads, kartari and pAsha, grey, red and white color.

    This is a Yoga version; it is Guhya Vilasini who hops on Padmanartesvara. This Red Three-eyed one is holding a kulisha and a lotus, or a kapAla and a vajra. Her mantra incorporates the vagbhava, mAyA and manmatha bIja-s.

    An additional sentence is added here in GSS5, cited in the Textual Note: "Next, he should be convinced that the elements earth, water, fire, wind, and space, having the nature of [the goddesses] Patani, MaranI, Akarsani, Nartesvari, [and] Padmajvalini, are on his hand."


    Fergus said to me, "The way I am going to defend your fledgling honor is to cite this idea through the layers of the real Chakrasamvara corpus.

    Vajradaka Chapter One shows Patani and the others as the Elements, culminating in Mahamaya as Akasha, giving her the alternate names Padmarasmi, Padmajvalini, or Padmajalini. It corresponds to Vijnana Skandha -- Vajrasattva, to Sparsha, and Matsarya. So in that case, these latter two attributes of Karma Family have been moved to the Center Space."


    Quote Vajrasattva (वज्रसत्त्व) is the name of a deity associated with the Skandha (component) named Vijñāna, according to the 9th century Vajraḍākatantra chapter 1.16-22.



    "Padmajalini is Space element in Abhidhanottara, which uses the full name Padmanarteshvari for 7. Abhihanottara iterates Vilasini's equivalent retinue with Varuni's Armor Deities. It defines Varahi's mantra as the Necklace, Seven Syllable mantra as Ear-rings, Armor mantra as girdle, Vairocani mantra is skull diadem. The mantra drinking vessel comes from yoginis of all circles, or from all thirty-seven heroines, or it endows hand emblems plus skulls in four intermediate directions (multiple Varunis). One should 'radiate and gather' the emblems and then do recitation.

    All thirty-seven elements are muttered by Dakini Jala Samvara, who then uses

    Om [Name] Hum Hum Phat Svaha

    with Vajravairocani, Sarvabuddha Dakini Vajravarnani, then Dakini--Rupini--Khandaroha--Lama, and ends with something to Khandakapalina. The Four Dakinis continue to the core mandala of Varahi in Union and the Four Joys. The text also uses the Six Chakravartin mandalas in conjunction with Sacred Places.




    In Chakrasamvara Abhisamaya Vyakhya by Sasvata Vajra, Patani is yellow."


    Quote pātanīmāraṇikarṣaṇīnartteśvarya ekavaktrāścaturbhujāḥ pītakṛṣṇaraktaharitavarṇāḥ|
    locanāmāmakī pānḍarātārā [ākāśadhātu]svabhāvāḥ cakrakartivajrakartikamalakartikhaḍgakartidhāridakṣiṇabhujadvayāḥ|
    kapālakhaṭvāṅgadhārivāmabhujadvayāḥ| padhmajvālinī dhūmraśuklaraktatrimukhī ṣaḍbhujādharmadhātuvajrasvabhāvā
    dhūmravarṇā kapālakhaṭvāṅgapāśadhārivāma [bhujatra]yā aṅkuśabrahmāmuṇḍakartiśobhitadakṣiṇabhujatrayā|
    ādarśajñānasvabhāvo vairocanaḥ| samatājñānasvabhāvo vajrasūryaḥ| pratyavekṣaṇājñānasvabhāvaḥ
    padhmanarteśvaraḥ| kṛtyānuṣṭhānajñānasvabhāvo vajrarājaḥ| atra sādhanaṃ
    suviśuddhadharmadhātujñānasvabhāvo vajrasattvaḥ|

    "There, we see Grey = Dhumra = Smoke. Akasha Dhatu is one thing into which is 'mixed' Dharmadhatu Vajra. At that point, you are affixing five-fold form to the sixth or mental principle, which is Vajrasattva generally, and at the end we find him the male impulse towards the technically-correctly-named process of Locana, Suvisuddha Dharmadhatu Jnana. This version gives Mirror Wisdom to Vairocana and we notice it must be Akshobhya-centered; so there is some twist which causes it to become Ratna-centered in the similar Vilasini practice.

    And in what you seem to call the culmination, Dakarnava Chapter Fifteen with Open Access., Vijnana Skandha is Vajrasattva and the Sixth is Heruka Akshobhya."


    Quote Then, the form aggregate is Vairocana. The sensation aggregate is Vajras ¯ urya. The
    perception aggregate is Padmanarte´svara. The formation aggregate is Vajrar¯aja.
    The discerning aggregate is Vajrasattva. The nature of all tath¯agatas is glorious
    Herukavajra.

    Both eyes are Mohavajra. Both ears are Dves.avajra. Both nostrils are ¯Irs.y¯avajra.
    The mouth is R¯agavajra. The tactile organ is M¯atsaryavajra. All sense bases are
    Ai´svaryavajra.

    The earth element is P¯atan¯ı. The water element is M¯aran.¯ı. The fire element is
    A¯ kars.an. ¯ı. The wind element is Nartes´var¯ı. The space element is Padmajva¯lin¯ı.

    "So, I may or may not use the specific Twelve-Arm Varahi that we mentioned as a standout, because that is a particular transmission. But here we have followed the main core for a couple hundred years, and it dives into the depths of this staggeringly colossal system and comes out as Padmajvalini is Space Element when being cast last.


    In this system, Vajrasattva occupies Vijnana Skandha which more typically belongs to Vajra Family, who has shifted into a mysterious and possibly forbidden sixth Skandha (which sounds like Samayoga). Samantabhadra is the sixth Ayatana, the mental equivalent to all of the individual inputs.

    It does Four Hums and Kila for Obstacle Clearing.

    You go to Emptiness, and it has all three, Purity, Emptiness, and Yoga mantras.

    It does Inverted Stupa, Sumeru, and Grounds and then has four increasing Dharmodayas, from a Triangle up to a Hexagon, which cast the different "layers" or groups of mandala rings later on. That part is very different or what makes this so big.

    Four Gnoses or Wisdoms are cast and then:


    Quote All of them are transformed, and Causal Heruka is developed; [this has] the nature
    of the [gnosis of] the perfectly pure dharma realm (*suvi´suddhadharmadh¯atu). This is
    [expounded as follows]...


    You transform the Luminous Wisdoms, which makes Causal Heruka, which is Vajrasattva. At the moment, it then becomes like the Dharmadhatu Wisdom usually granted to Locana and Vairocana.

    Then there is Four Face Twelve Arm White Vajrasattva in the Bindu, which is the central sheath having the Four Dakinis and what appear to be Twenty-four Lamas or perhaps Horis. If we see the mantric identities, it actually runs from Vajradakini to Vajraraudri; although that is because all receive an honorary "vajra" prefix. Vajrasattva makes love to his consort and they melt into a drop, and then the retinue Urges him with Songs in the usual way, by breaking into four choirs."


    Quote /shes rab rang dang ’dra ba la/ /’on (D 6r5) kyang bud med mtshan nyid
    ldan//

    Wisdom (his female consort) resembles him in appearance, but [she] has feminine
    features.

    I said, "That's actually pretty good.

    The Dharmadhatu is whatever it is, but you see the way it is being handled has completely shifted.

    The Vajradhatu-class mandalas have Vairocana in the center, which is Space, and Dharmadhatu Wisdom, and is cast first. It starts here. But you have a strange conversation with Vajradakini, which is in fact the whole Vairocana of Form is obliterated, vaporized, by tantric Melting. The basis for teaching is the initial opening of Five Wisdoms.

    Then, what you see in Dakarnava and Vilasini, is, rather, the Maha Bhuts, the transition of Four Form Elements into their Purity, Four Wisdoms, becomes a basis of making a new Space as it were, which, inversely, becomes the new Dharmadhatu, and, moreover, by power, Bala.



    There is one more way of taking up the Five Prajnas, in Maitri's Panchakara.


    Panchakara is the knowledge or vidhi of a Hetu (Cause) Sattva. From the beginning, it is about Nisprapanca (unelaborated) Vajrasattva via a five Buddhas and five Yoginis Puja. As soon as you know this, there is:


    Quote viśvavarṇapam

    which is a Pam syllable of Five Colored Light, which emits an Eight Petaled White Lotus. Then there is a sundisk, on which Blue Hum arises and becomes Blue Bhumi Sparsha deity with Vajra Family Symbol, who is of the nature:


    Quote suviśuddhadharmmadhātuvijñānaskandhasvabhāvaḥ

    Vijnana Skandha--'consciousness' from the prior tabulation of only five skandhas--now has the nature of Purifying the Dharmadhatu.


    Quote hetuphalātmakaḥ

    It uses the Three Syllables and Four Kayas, adding Svabhavikakaya.


    Quote asaṃskṛtatathāgatātmakatvāt dharmmakāyaḥ, pratibhāsamātratvāt sambhogakāyaḥ, kalpitanirmmāṇakāyaṃ nirmmāṇakāyaḥ, kāyatritayaikarasattvāt svābhāvikakāyaḥ |


    After this introduction, the retinue appears to begin in the auspices of:


    Quote asaṃskṛtamanodharmmaḥ copaḥsambhogalakṣaṇaḥ |


    tadeva nirmmitaṃ citraṃ bījaḥ sarvvasvabhāvataḥ |

    Asamskrta (Unconditioned) Mental Dharma:


    Quote The asaṃskṛtas, not formed by causes, are unproduced (utpāda), without extinction (vyaya), and without duration-change (sthityanyathātva).


    ākāśa (space),
    pratisaṃkhyā-nirodha (observed cessation),
    apratisaṃkhyā-nirodha (unobserved cessation).

    It lacks Samskara or Samsara, the conditioned, changing dharmas.

    It entices the marks of Sambhogakaya.




    It then generates Akshobhya of the nature:


    Quote ākāśaśabda

    which is all that is said about Akash. The basic change from Vairocana tantras is that he represented Sight, and since this consumes some 90% of ordinary waking consciousness, that is why he is first; but then Akshobhya takes over as Sound, Primordial and mantric.


    Then there comes White Vajrasattva without a location who is:


    Quote manaḥsvabhāvaḥ

    dharmmadhātuparanāmā |

    Paranama:

    1. Change of form or state. 2. Maturity, fulness, ripeness. 3. End, last stage or state.

    and so i. e. inserting the name of the sixth element. Mind-born, changing and ripening of it.

    Akshobhya has no seed syllable and may only be in one's Sruti or Hearing, while Vajrasattva emrges from Hum and has an appearance.

    It may also be that the first passage simply refers to Akshobhya who is going to emanate Vajrasattva, and then this happens. He may just shift forms. At any rate, the Primordial Buddha, who is Sound and Space, provides a hyopstatic offshoot intended as Mind Element.


    This is followed by a ring of four Buddhas with the usual Skandhas, a ring of four Prajnas with the normal Elements, only at the end of which does the composite Vajradhatvishvari Nayika arise, more fully described as:


    Quote bhagavatī tathatā śūnyatā prajñāpāramitā bhūtakoṭinairātmyeti vyapadiśyate |

    She has no syllable or mantra of her own. She is Alisvabhava Vajrasattvasvarupini, made by Vajrasattva arising from the vowels (Ali) or at least from Ah. Vajrasattva has a Body more or less made by himself, as are his sisters and consorts.

    It is from the Four Kayas and Five Families that this way of casting Vajradhatvishvari last works."


    Quote kāyacatuṣṭayātmikā manohlādinyaḥ sakalajinaguṇādhārabhūtāḥ pañcatathāgatasvarūpāḥ | āsāṃ(asyāṃ)madhye ālisvabhāvā vajrasattvasvarūpiṇī vajradhātvīśvarī nāyikā |

    Fleep said, "It conveniently has Red Pandaravasini, while Vajra Family Mamaki has been left in the South. Implicitly, Vajradhatvishvari would belong to Ratna Family, by way of omission."

    "Yes. There are two things weird about it.

    First of all it is nine-tenths the most simple thing you could come up with, but, this is its practically only known recording, and that seems strange just not to have anything on the Buddhas and Prajnas.

    This does, and, it is a Vajrasattva hypostasis exercise, and, it exactly follows the Vilasini casting pattern going to a Vajrasattva-created Vajradhatvishvari, which appears to be the underlying principle of Marici."


    Dinky said, "I like this, because it satisfies my question about Vajra Feet meditation.

    That's how this is done.

    Okay, the beginning is centered on both Akshobhya and Vajrasattva, who are dealing with the Vijnana Skandha and Dharmadhatu Wisdom. The Dhyani Buddhas plainly match the Skandhas and Wisdoms their Families are supposed to handle."


    Quote rūpaskandhasvabhāvaḥ mohasvarūpo viṭaviśuddhaḥ tathāgatakulī ādarśatvena

    vedanāsvabhāvapiśunaśarīraḥ raktātmako ratnakulī samatājñānavān

    saṃjñāskandhasvabhāvo rāgaśarīraḥ śukrātmakaḥ padmakulī pratyavekṣaṇājñāna

    saṃskāraskandhasvabhāvo varṣāṛturūpaḥ]piśitāpaḥ tiktarasātmakaḥ pavargaviśuddhaḥ arddharātrasvabhāvaḥ |

    "Then, you see the Vijnana Skandha is the target of Yogacara meditation, Vijnana Matrata."


    Quote vijñānamātratā iti pratipādanāya akṣobhyena mudyante iti | akṣobhyāṅkitaśirasi vijñānasya naiḥ svābhāvyasya śūnyatākaruṇayostādātmaka[tvaṃ]ca pratipādayituṃ akṣobhyo'pi vajrasattvena mudryate |

    "So you are already doing a Six Buddhas meditation and it goes to a blend of Sunya and Karuna.

    Then there's a transition to Prakrti."


    Quote śūnyatā sarvvadharmmāṇāṃ tathā prakṛtiriṣyate ||


    "The Prakrti are the very simple Taras of the Families you can Mutter."


    Quote āgneyakoṇadale candramaṇḍalopari śuklalomkārajā śuklavarṇā locanā cakracihnā pṛthvidhātusvarūpā tathāgatakulodbhavā moharaktā | asyā bījaṃ om āḥ lom hūm svāhā iti |


    nairṛtyāṃ candramaṇḍalopari kṛṣṇamāmkārabījasambhūtā māmakī kṛṣṇavarṇā kṛṣṇavajracihnā abdhātusvabhāvā vajrakulā dveṣaraktā | asyā bījaṃ om āḥ mām hūm svāhā iti |


    vāyavyāṃ candramaṇḍalopari pāmkārabījasaṃbhūtā pāṇḍaravāsinaī raktā raktavarṇā padmacihnatejodhātusvarūpā padmakulā rāgaraktā | asyā bījaṃ om āḥ pām hūm svāheti |


    aiśānyāṃ candramaṇḍalopari kanakaśyāmatāmkārapariṇatā tāriṇī śyāmavarṇā śyāmanīlotpalacihnā vāyudhātusvarūpā karmmakulā īrṣāraktā | asyā bījaṃ om āḥ tām hūm svāhā |

    "And the point seems to be the collective energy of the Prajnas sends in Vajradhatvishvari last, as the result of Vajrasattva's work.

    It would leave you with the question of how Mamaki could serve as Equality Wisdom, since nothing ever overhauls her into a Jewel Family mode. At least I haven't seen it. It gets me that Mamaki appears out of place, over and over again, unquestioningly, but if something in Lotus Family is supposed to be white, they won't do it. Even though a lot of individual Lotus Family deities are white. In terms of the color schemes of mandalas, it seems unacceptable to artists, even though the text is clear about it.

    Here, it has emanated the Prajnas on their own plane, which is part of what we are learning as Prakrtiprabhasvara, or, the Light of the Absolute Object, which does not really have the expression 'Clear' that Tibetans add; it has a quality connotation, like pure, royal, but nothing about color or opacity."

    Ariana said, "So you think if you did the Void meditation adequately, you would begin to perceive it."

    "That's what it sounds like. I mean, I'm trying to get into it where something happens or I feel a change or something. And I think the Vase Breathing and Yoga Mantra might do it. I'm able to have connections of faith into the teaching. It seems a little odd that the simplest forms are those of the highest aspect. At least in its meditative pose.

    And, no, you can't find this Pancha Kara type of exercise anywhere, except maybe with H. H. IX Karmapa, late 1500s."


    Quote 11. Five Awareness Queens, mandala of Female Buddhas of five families [rig pa'i royal mo lnga]


    I said, "Very true. Usually you would have to milk it through Guyhyasamaja Tantra, or something extensive. But what you totally want from this is the mnemonic for Skandhas, Elements, and Families and particularly Wisdoms; it is the same as Mahamaya.

    The Skandha re-arises as a Buddha who has a Wisdom, i. e., he has a Prajna. In this sense, the Knower of Locana is Vairocana. Therefor, instead of focusing on how one is becoming Vairocana, you should ask what it is to know Locana."

    Fergus said, "Purification of the Dharmadhatu, which leads to abhijna, or super-knowledges, such as the Divine Eye."


    "That's true on a Sutra basis, and, in Vairocana Abhisambodhi mandala, Locana is very significant; she's doubled, and one of them uses a gold-colored Dharmodaya. This is, of course, not as part of Five Families, but is more like Paramadya by the addition of a Fourth."


    "Yes, it is Prajnaparamita Sutra, like the entrance to the Pithas you described."


    Dinky said, "However, according to the chart, the baton has been passed. Locana has been re-assigned to go with the Mirror Wisdom. I take this to be something inside the Dharmadhatu, rather than approaching it."


    "Yes. Keep those quotes in mind.

    If you want to step out to the normal stonework in Nepal about Five Families, it is different, and perhaps most accurate to say that it is centered on what perhaps is a name for Maitri Dakini, Akasha Dhatvishvari:


    Quote In Mahayana Buddhism, the Female Buddhas represent Perfect Wisdom and are indispensable. In Buddhism, the Female Buddhas sybmolize Perfect Wisdom while the Male Buddhas Represent Perfect Compassion in the Dhyani Buddha Cosmic Mandala. Both are co-equal partners as methods in Mahayana Buddhism. What is often misunderstood is the concept that even if you practice a single Buddha, for example, Amitabha, he is never separate from his Female Co-Equal Buddha Pandara. Or, if you practice Green Tara as a sole practice, she is never separate from her co-Equal Male Budddha Amoghasiddhi. These are forms, manifesting to help us according to our own preferences and needs, representing respectively wisdom and compassion.




    Dinky said, "That goes on to tell me Locana is Blue in Vajra Family, and Mamaki is Yellow."

    "Right. Sometimes the change is further, like making the center Blue, and then it can change the occupant of the East, Locana or Mamaki, Earth or Water. Or Locana is Blue in Vajra Family which combines Water, Form Skandha, Mirror Wisdom.

    Maitri's Pancha Kara is centered on Vajra Family in the exceptional way it emanates Vajrasattva. I like that. And then you have something consistent with, let's say, a majority of mandalas and tantras."


    "It moved Buddha Family to the East, and, this Locana has a stand-alone practice in a certain area of a massive compilation by Jamyang Loter Wangpo."


    Quote Vajravidarana of Bari and Virupa, Bhurkumkuta, Vajramrita, Buddha Locana, Krisna Manjushri, Panca Rakshasi...

    "She comes up in IWS in the Vajrasana section in the simple form holding the Family Symbol, the Wheel, doing an unusual sadhana which is not against disease but pain."





    Fergus said, "Would pain be the priority issue for the Form Skandha?"

    Dinky said, "Yes, I think someone is going to try to stop serious pain before they eat or bathe or whatever other needs are."

    "So if you don't actually need that, you might be purging traumatic memories associated with the Earth plane."

    "I could probably meditate better with a sore thumb than random memories of it coming out of nowhere. That sort of thing happens to me. Some disturbing event, followed by a movie clip until I can get out of it. Like dreams. Partial control."

    "So how would you annihilate that Skandha out of your mind?"

    "That does it.

    I'm going to, you just wait.


    Buddha himself has manifested Parasol, which matches the Sutra. She's over the normal White and Green Taras. She is a White Tara, except she has a third eye, which is semi-wrathful, and of course she has an item which is at the same time a bit regal and a form of protection."







    "This may be with Tson kha pa, and it has, of all things, Standing Nectar Ekajati."





    "There and further along, she is doing, I think, the Mudra of Granting Refuge."





    "And, you know, if I was to turn to something for its own artistic merits, if I didn't know what a Parasol was, I would still probably be captured by this."





    I said, "Me too.

    Can you take it that Locana is effectively transcendental, any form is simple and relatively passive, whereas Parasol is a Yidam you could have a personal conversation with?"

    "I think I can work with that. Locana is really in the back of my mind, she's part of nature, a constituent of anyone's aura. She doesn't do much besides be the Wisdom that realizes the Emptiness of Form and Earth.

    Parasol is more like a mental tour guide of Mount Meru up to a cosmic form."






    "You should work on the Muttering for a while and then Mutter Parasol.

    You might have noticed her using Ni."

    "Yes, if that had meaning on its own, it could be to lead, to govern."

    "And that might happen to you for the rest of your life, because there are many forms and practices that will take ages for you to delve through."

    "Well, it's easy for me to relate to white coloration and Vajra Feet. That's always been what I'd put with purity, holiness, sanctity, and stuff like that. And I would probably just try it with Vajrasattva, if that was all I knew, I would probably do it the same way.

    I think there is something, I guess you could say, subtle, about colors, but I'd be off to a better start with plain light or a white aura."

    "There is such a thing my friend.

    It is what you think it is. Not necessarily Buddhist, like all natural phenomena, but we'd be glad to use it."




    Ariana said, "We'd like to follow up with a superb corollary to Tapa Shotor.

    There, you can't give any detail, and someone could accuse us of simply copying Herakles into Vajrapani. We don't even claim the related Sutras are much older than the statue, while Herakles has crossed centuries and thousands of miles to become the Syncretic Deity in Afghanistan.

    But we can pinpoint such details.

    In Orissa, we found most of the Sadhanamala deities, like Durgottarini, possibly from the 700s. And you find continuous development, although in the sense it moved northward into Tibet.

    Most of those studies argued about whether something was Tara by using the same mantra.

    We think it may be a bit late, because we can represent an entire and prior dharani system.

    It's something that was crafted and delivered much later as a statuette set in Forbidden City near Beijing. But now they have to have help identifying the stuff in the first place.

    We recognize it, because it is the inhabitants of the Dharmadhatu Vagisvara Manjughosha mandala.

    And this is where we take a major rewind.

    That's because it would appear to be the height of development at the Ellora Caves.

    Not the mandala. Just this part of the retinue."


    Fergus said, "The mandala uses expected Prajnaparamita philosophy, by summarizing the Paramitas, their Bodhisattva Grounds, and the related practice or mastery.

    What is unusual is that it adds a correspondence to Dharani goddesses, which is not a supposition, that's their name, they are called Dharanis just as plainly as Prajnaparamita is called a Paramita."


    Genta said, "Yes. Ellora may not be a 100% match to DDV, but, it is close. The difficulty is due to age, many of the statues are missing their hands and symbols, and so complete identification is not really possible. But some of it is."

    Ariana said, "The Ellora construction is believed to be pre-Pala, taking place in the range of about 600 - 730, which is of course a relatively dark period, only after which, do we find extremely detailed deities and practices.

    The thing you can be positive about is that Mayuri is highly prominent, from the early Cave Six, again in Cave Ten, and again in one of the largest, latest, most detailed parts of the complex in Cave Twelve."


    "You can see about Cave Six, p. 28, one of the earliest known Bhrkutis here, characterized by top knotted hair and an animal skin shawl, believed to represent asceticism. As a counterpart to Mayuri, this is "unusual" elsewhere, but appears to be the theme of the internal mandala here. This earlier Ellora project is approximately contemporaneous with the living Princess Bhrkuti."


    Cave Six Mayuri:









    "In Cave Ten, Mayuri leads a disciple in reading and writing. This perhaps is copied in Cave Eight.


    Cave Twelve, p. 87, appears as a Vajrayana Pantheon with Historical Buddhas and Dhyani Buddhas.


    Quote Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara has a small image of Amitabh Buddha in his crown. Bodhisattva Vajrapani (we have seen his painting in Ajanta Cave -1) has a replica of a small stupa in his crown and Vajra in his right hand.

    The seven Dhyani Buddhas are also represented here – Vairochana, Akshobhya, Ratnasambhava. Amitabh, Amoghasiddhi, Vajrasattva and Vajraraj.

    The presence of Janguli implies they must mean the presence of Dharani goddesses from the Dharmadhatu Vagisvara and Mahavairocana mandalas, according to the review.


    "Considering they are broken, here's an attempted description."


    Quote ‘On the side and back walls of the vestibule are twelve goddesses, three each on the right wall and left walls as also on the back walls. They are seated on lotuses. The first on the left wall is probably Vajradhātvīśvarī as she is seen holding a cintāmaṇi jewel. Next to her is Chunda holding a lotus with a book. Of the three figures on the left side of the back wall, the first is Khadiravaṇī Tārā, who is seated on the lotus holding a lotus stalk held by two cobra figures. The next goddess also holds a lotus stalk, held by as cobra by the side of which is a swan. The third figure is also identical.

    These are the representations of Tārā. On the right side of the back wall is an interesting female figure. Both her waist band and her headdress are made of cobras. She is Janguli. Next is Mahamayuri, if the peacock feather in her left hand
    is any indication. The third one is holding a water vessel…and she may be Uṣṇīṣavijayā. On the right wall of the vestibule, the first is Bhrikuti, the second is Pandara, and the third is Tārā’.


    I said, "That makes no sense for Vajradhatvishvari, since it would more likely be Cintamani Tara. Here's another brief rundown of Caves Six and Twelve."


    Quote Bhrkuti and
    Avalokitesvara to the left of the shrine door; Maitreya and Mahamayuri to
    the right. The bodhisattva dvarapalas follow convention in iconography,
    style and location. But, these female figures are the earliest to display the
    precise iconographic elements that clearly identify them. They are found in
    several other of the seventh-century caves, and would be part of a much
    more complex group of female figures in Cave 12 (to which I will return),
    an indication that they were important, and original, members of Ellora's
    earliest mandala.

    In Cave Twelve:


    The shrine antechamber is framed by female figures, as it was in Cave 6.
    But here, in the densest expression of the mandala, there are twelve,
    unprecedented in the western caves (or elsewhere for the early eighth century).
    Distinctive iconographic details include a four-armed Cunda (third
    on the left); the three-pronged vajra of Sarvakarmavaranavisodhani (seated
    immediately to the left of the shrine door); the snake belt worn by Jangull
    (immediately to the right of the shrine door); the peacock of Mahamayuri,
    second on the right; and the four arms and twisted danda of Bhrkuti, fourth
    on the right. Such specific attributes help in identifying the group as the
    Dharanis who appear (in varying configurations, as described in later
    iconographic compendia) in mandalas of Tara, Dharmadhatu Vagisvara,
    and Mahavairocana.


    From Sahapedia:


    Quote In tantric Buddhism, the female counterpart or Shakti plays a vital role. That is why the 12 Dharinis seen in Cave 12 are important. Some of the Dharinis have been identified as Janguli, Chunda, Tara and Bhrikuti. This suggests that by the end of 7th century female deities had occupied a significant place in Buddhist rituals and were worshipped alongside Bodhisattvas. In Ellora we have the earliest evidence how female Buddhist deities were placed and how their imagery developed. The entire process of ritualistic development can be seen at Ellora in proper context.

    Their Fig. 22 is the three to the right of the door, Janguli, Mayuri, and a Pitcher goddess.





    Avalokiteshvara with Tara and Bhrkuti:




    The central Mayuri with Peacock probably means it is under her lotus throne.



    Ariana said, "There is a thorough tour of the entire Ellora Caves."


    Quote Seated female bodhisattvas, three on each of the rear walls, and four on each of the side walls populate the shrine antechamber.

    "You can select Cave Twelve, Floor Three, and find the side groups are again a cluster of three, with maybe a fourth nearby. There are four niches with three figures apiece."



    I said, "It started to bother me. Now first of all, we are talking about two select companions of Tara, Mayuri and Janguli. This is standard in the main practice that is still current and I am going to do.

    The problem is, in Tibet, Janguli practically vanishes.

    Among the older artifacts, one finds a ca. tenth-century Kashmiri Janguli."





    "A similar Kashmiri one has been kept in the Potala Collection."





    "Let's look at her name. In Tibetan, Dudselma, remover of poison. That's not a translation."

    Fleep said, "No. We recently saw a mantra where something like pravisa would have that meaning in Sanskrit.

    This is so dense, it is English, Janguli = jungle, she is a wild sabari."


    "Yes, except in this case there is no equivalent male Jangala.

    Let's see what is observed about Tibetan Iconography Text Collections."


    Quote The earliest iconographic forms for deity yoga are described in the Tantra literature of Vajrayana Buddhism. Those are further explained by the commentaries of the educated and experienced practitioners of India. From the source literature and commentaries come the numerous compendia of deity forms such as the Sadhanamala and Vajravali. Many compendia texts were translated into the Tibetan language but some of the original Sanskrit sources have been lost. The most famous of these are the Bari Gyatsa, Sadhana-samucchaya (Sadhanamala), Patsab Gyatsa, Mitra Gyatsa and others.

    Fergus said, "All of them are re-writes of the Abhayakara compilations.

    If you thought Jampa Gompa was extensive, try the catalog of Ngor Mandalas that also has Vajradhatu as a pinnacle with 1,037 deities."


    Ariana said, "The ultimate Tibetan development is definitely Rinjung Lhantab, IWS or Icons Worthwhile to See. It contains three of the splittings of Sadhanamala, but also adds material, like it is probably the Most Mahakala of anything you can find."

    I said, "Yes. Comparatively, this is what we are calling Bhutanese Sadhanamala."


    Quote An Ocean of Methods of Accomplishment

    This text was known in India in the 11th century and later translated into Tibetan in the 13th century. The list below follows the edited version of the Sakya teacher Thartse Panchen Namka Chime. It contains 142 descriptions of deities. A popular Bhutanese, Drugpa Kagyu, version is said to have been edited by the 9th Je Kenpo of Bhutan, Shakya Rinchen, 1710-1759. The Bhutanese version has more deities, approximately 154.

    The complete list of deities from the Ocean of Methods of Accomplishment is depicted twice in Mitra Gyatsa Mandala Set 3. The list of deities is slightly different from Thartse Panchen Namkha Chime and the Bhutanese list.

    "So, you know, a lot of this is comprehensive. It's someone's job to replicate a text, or, more than half of it in this case.

    In other areas, you can find something that represents a personal practice, which makes Twenty-two Drukpa Sadhanas a little unusual."


    Quote 6. Janguli

    "She's not in Tibet. She has Densatil figurines, in the sense that was supposed to be comprehensive, like IWS and the Bhutanese Sadhanamala contain her for simply being part of the book.

    We don't know whose it is; it can't be older than the 1300s; and it is probably from the 1800s, either of which are massively disconnected from her antiquity in Siksasamuccaya or the Ellora Cave.

    So far, I am going to fault all the reviewers.

    People, don't do a mantra if a cobra bites you.

    Just read it. The purpose of Janguli is she is a Yogesvari and a Mahavidya."


    Fergus said, "That's a Yidam like any of the others. She protects nothing; why this is reported is baffling."

    "Exactly. Her motif is that she uses poison that is poisonous to poison. Any honest reflection on one's own mental poison will make this self-explanatory."

    "She's from an imaginary place. Mount Gandhamadana is not part of earth; it's part of Meru Cosmology with a different identification in every Purana and even Pali Buddhism. That's like Mayuri is an old Buddhist story that doesn't seem to be taking place on earth."

    "They don't usually have conventional origin myths. Like if I look up Hindu Pratyangira, it's very interesting, but then it is like Buddha re-emanates it himself as Parasol. Janguli is in Tara's assembly, she has her own mandala in Krishna Yamari Tantra, and she is a Dharani Goddess that Manjushri seems to have gotten in Ellora. That seems likely to be a unit. I haven't noticed such a specific grouping of twelve in Orissa."

    "No. But you found Janguli and more specifically Green Janguli appreciated in Bhutan for no apparent reason, other than, perhaps, her inherent value.

    It seems to contradict any idea the sadhana had actually been transmitted through Tibet to their sadhana book and Ekajati thangka."

    "Had Cunda?"

    "Master, that's very hard to say.

    We think the point is that the Samadhi is real outside of time and space as we know them.

    No one initiated Buddha, or the people that discovered these Yidams. If Vajra Tara spontaneously appeared to Nagarjuna and was real then, you and Dinky may just as well be able to find her now.

    We're just putting more trust into, say, a huge community of Ellora, than some of the things that have come up later, or, even popular aspects of Buddhism."

    That's why I immediately turned around and looked at Janguli as her own small system, and what it would be to have the Twelve Dharanis arranged with the Bodhisattva Path. I wasn't going to let him trick me with empty milk cartons and carpet samples. We know these deities don't manifest physically, and that the closest thing that can happen is a human becomes the Nirmanakaya of that deity. That's because this is entirely Noumenal.

    "Let's add she imparts the ability to walk on water and the dharani from Lotus Sutra."


    Quote At that time the heavenly king Upholder of the Nation, who was in the assembly along with a host of thousands, ten thousands, millions of nayutas of gandharvas who surrounded him and paid him reverence, advanced to the place where the Buddha was, pressed his palms together, and said to the Buddha, “World-Honored One, I too will employ dharanis, supernatural spells, to shield and guard those who uphold the Lotus Sutra.” Then he pronounced these spells:


    agane gane ghori gandhari chandali matangi janguli

    vrunasi agasti

    I realized he was coming at me like a runaway freight train.

    "Master," said Fergus, "aside from being partly inscrutable, Agasti has no meaning other than Rishi Agastya Maitravaruna or some female descendant of his. Let me move you to the relevant area at the end of Rg Veda Book One where we won't argue with Sayana."


    Quote This and the following three hymns are derived from the viṣa vidyā, the science of poisons,or of antidoes, whence it is also termed madhu-vidyā, science of ambrosia; 'having taken the poison in the solar orb with the fourth finger, having made it ambrosia and caused them to blend together, may it become poisonless'; sūrya maṇḍala or orb of the sun; or, perhaps a reference to a mystical diagram or figure typical of the solar orb;

    Madhuta = madhu vidyā was originally taught by Indra to Dadhyañc, who communicated it to the Aśvins, and thereby lost his head

    "I'm sure you won't argue with the hymn saying the very thing you just said."


    Quote “I deposit the poison in the solar orb, like a leather bottle in the house of a vendor of spirits; verily, that adorable (Sun) never dies; nor, (through his favour), shall we die (of the venom); for, though afar off, yet drawn by his coursers, he will overtake (the poison); the science of antidotes converted you, (Poison), to ambrosia.”

    “That little insignifcant bird has swallowed your venom; she does not die; nor shall we die; for, although afar off, yet drawn by his coursers, (the Sun) will overtake (the poison); the science of antidotes has converted you, (Poison), to ambrosia.”

    “May the thrice-seven sparks (of Agni) consume the influence of the venom; they verily do not perish; nor shall we die; for, although afar off, the Sun, drawn by his coursers, will overtake the poison; the science of antidotes has converted you, (Poison), to ambrosia.”

    Commentary by Sāyaṇa: Ṛgveda-bhāṣya

    The thrice seven sparks: the seven tongues, or flames of fire, may be multiplied as red, white and black

    “I recite the names of ninety and nine (rivers), the destroyers of poison; although afar off, (the Sun), drawn by his coursers, will overtake the poison; the science of antidotes has converted you, (Poison), to ambrosia.”

    “May the thrice-seven peahens, the seven-sister rivers, carry off, (O Body), your poison, as maidens, with pitchers, carry away water.”

    "There. You can even use Mayuri with it."

    I had a nosebleed out my eyes.

    "Thank you Mister Fergus," I said, unable to separate wilderness yoginis from Agastya's domain, "Yes, it is the same as Dadhyan and Horse Head Rite."



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    "What else, Pawls? That took us a hundred years to get about a third of the world to agree with our basic view for social order."

    "It's more than I ever dreamed of, actually. Back then we weren't expecting the use of airplanes. I wasn't planning on devoting most of my time to traditions from Asia. I was willing to fight until there was no more need."


    There it is. Lotus Sutra, one of the most mainstream pieces in Mahayana Buddhism, gives the first observable list of Gauris. Later, Janguli is Matangi, who of course is a Mahavidya in Assam. And this is the entire principle of Pisacis or axis reversal. Janguli instantly blocks any poison with its opposite. Crossing over Water is to traverse whatever is in the South quadrant, which is the Sentience Skandha into the Equality Wisdom.

    We can talk about that, a lot. There's not much to say about things you just do, like music or martial arts, but this kind of yoga is so deep I plan on spending the recommended fourteen lifetimes to get it.

    It's also not ours or part of our original mission. By some fifteen years after World War Two, and, Tito being mostly responsible for the establishment of the Non-Bloc, we had, to say the least, relieved Kosovo of centuries of ongoing calamities, with no need of supremacism.

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    We just kept going. In the long run, it seemed things had worked out better for us than they had in many or most countries. Tito was kind of like Elvis. Otherwise, national structures were compromised in so many kinds of ways in different directions, we can't think of any peer role model.


    Many people were living much differently than we were, with their push-on-a-button nuclear war scare.

    Who needs that?

    We did not like the American government, or, its underlings who cling to a kind of mono-polar dominance idea. We really did not like that. So we tried to sympathize with those who did not like their government, or, the defective mentality that seems to run it.

    So we actually had something to do with them. We'll get to that in a moment.

    First, we're going to prevent a few more misconceptions about the meditational literature we have committed ourselves to.


    Fergus said, "Master has got us in a contention with academia and all the press --"

    I said "Would you please stop calling me that."

    "Not until Pawlsy says so. I have to take over for your slack, because what you are doing has already been done, just not by you. The closest thing you are to acceptable in the world is by matching part of senior-year studies if one were enrolled in a Kagyu university curriculum."

    "It would match the majority if Prajnaparamita were studied according to the Abhisamayalamkara as an immanent deity."

    I could tell he was swinging an anchor in circles. I tucked my chin slightly.

    Dinky said, "Hey watch it, you're going to --"

    Fergus said, "Here's how reducible this system is.

    One of the identifiable statues at Ellora has an unwieldy name."


    Quote Sarvakarmavaranavisodhani

    "She is only found in the Dharani retinue of the DDV mandala.

    It's so obscure we don't know the dharani.

    Because we know what she looks like, we know that is her statue. It's in Ellora in the 700s, Forbidden City in the 1700s, anywhere the mandala is drawn, and we don't know the dharani but we do know the system.

    That part has not been observed by anybody, aside from being recorded on paper.

    So you compare the Twelve Dharanis at Ellora to the accretion that was going on to the Manjushri Mulakalpa, which, itself, introduces a new practice, Mantratantra.

    It doesn't have much yoga detail, but, it certainly does have everyone that mandalas are made of.

    Manjushri, himself, has either the Ellora retinue or something quite close to it."


    My recovery prospects were less than zero.

    His foot was so big he could step on both my feet when I was in different rooms.

    "Being bigger than me isn't all that hard."

    "No, but what's worse is you have separated out Peaceful Lakshmi. And, you really like it. But all the cover artwork from the Kagyu is Wrathful."

    "It's not cover art, Fergus, we haven't made any albums."

    "Just because you're going to make me play your music with no remorse, won't get this snafu out of your wig. First of all, Palden Lhamo or Lakshmi is called Dhumavati at Densatil.

    Dhumavati is a Mahavidya who is almost entirely disregarded -- Alakshmi or Nrtti. But even in the Veda, Nrtti is given offerings, in hopes she will not hurt us.


    Lakshmi is also calledKamadhatvishvari, Dudsol Dokam Wangchugma, in the Mahakala tantras.

    It doesn't have a Sanskrit precedent; the closest would be Kamesvari, Kamakhya Candi or Kamarupa goddess."


    I said, "Or Matangi. You failed to say that Newar Buddhism is a huge fan of Ganapati or Ganesh; not just that, but also Vinayaki or his rarely-known yogini partner. Matangi and Vinayaki converge in the Ucchista or scraps personality."


    "There you go and adopted a Puranic deity. But what we are really going to take to task is Janguli. Because we know she is in Lotus Sutra, that was translated to Chinese in 286, so, the recension including the mantra is estimated to exist by ca. 150.

    The book overall has become almost entirely Oriental."


    Quote According to Paramārtha (499–569 CE), there were over fifty Indian commentaries on the Lotus. However, there is now only one surviving Indian commentary (which only survives in Chinese). It is attributed to Vasubandhu (but this has been questioned by scholars). This commentary asserts the superiority of the Lotus above all other sūtras.

    According to Jonathan Silk, the influence of the Lotus Sūtra in India may have been limited, but "it is a prominent scripture in East Asian Buddhism." Jacqueline Stone and Stephen F. Teiser meanwhile write that "it is perhaps no exaggeration to say that the Lotus Sūtra has been the most influential Buddhist scripture in East Asia."


    "Like most Sutras, in Yogacara, it is considered neyartha or provisional. Again, we do not hold Vasubandhu to be the authority on the Agama, even though he has near-supremacy in other countries. So much, that there probably are ghost writings or spurious attributions.

    After all, there is a fairly set standard of Yogacara's nitartha or final authority texts, not very many, very few when compared to the number of all possible Sutras. It's not usually to say something is untrue, but, what is revealed one day may be only a step in the right direction.

    In any case, we see that Janguli had been around for ages before there is any sign of who she has been confused with."


    Quote The snake-goddess Manasa is now universally identified with Jaratkaru, the sister of the Naga king Vasuki.

    Pawlsy looked at Genta like they were about to fix a delicious hot beverage.

    Fergus said, "We call it a master stroke of conflation.

    The first use of Manasa's name is not found until the Devi Bhagavata Purana.

    But someone questioning her Iconography will make our case.

    In general, there was an old Naga cult by the year 200 or so, but, this was what's called sacramental or consecratory, like sprinkling you with holy water is just an inspiration towards Rasa Science or Nectar. It was just a prayer of protection against ordinary snakes presumed to be male, a sort of architectural rule when building baths and reservoirs."


    Quote The worship of the snake-goddess Manasa, as was, and is still prevalent in Bengal, appears to have very little connection with this general Naga worship. The Nagas, as far as can be ascertained, appear to be all male divinities and this conception of a female divinity Manasa as a sort of queen over the snakes, appears to be foreign to this system of Naga worship. Manasa, as already noted, is now generally identified with Jaratkaru; but, curiously, in the Mahabharata there is no indication of the deification of Jaratkaru, mother of Astika, as a snake-goddess,-i.e. mother of the snakes, (nagamata) and mistress over them. Neither is she credited with the possession power of the Supreme Knowledge (mahajnana) nor the teracting poison, the two most prominent characteristics of the snake goddess Manasa. The term "mother of the snakes" in the Mahabharata always denotes Kadru. In the Brahmanas (Aitareya, 5/24/4; Satapatha, 1/4/29), we meet with the term Sarparajni which literally means-queen of the snakes. She was the seer of a hymn of the Rg-Veda, X-189. But the connection of this Sarparajni with snakes is not unquestioned. Sayana explains that Sarparajni was the Earth, incarnate as a goddess, who attained the knowledge of Brahma, the Supreme Soul, in that guise. One commentator, Mahidhara, however, states that the term denoted Kadru in the guise of Earth.* It may also be noted that Kadru is given as a synonym for Manasa in the dictionaries. Thus, it appears, that the first identification of Manasa, the snake-goddess, was not with Jaratkaru, but with Kadru.

    "She comes out of nowhere, and is problematically retro-fitted with an origin myth."


    Quote The absence of her name in the earlier literature, and the evidences of attempt at explaining away her name in mediaval literature, point to the probability that she is not, at least in this line of development, a goddess with a Vedic and Puranic past, but an assimilation from outside. There certainly was a considerable amount of difference of opinion among the learned persons who attempted to engraft this goddess on Brahmanical traditions,-as a careful study of her legends and Dhyanas show. Evidences that she probably was first identified with Kadru and not with Jaratkaru have already been adduced. Even when the identification with Jaratkaru was established, considerable difference prevailed in working out the details. The following Dhyana makes Swan her vehicle, which shows that she was contemplated as identical with Brahmani or Sarasvati.

    The novel and unsettled state of the literature on Manasa is illustrated by an image of the goddess from a Tea-estate near Silghat, Assam. In the above Dhyana, the vehicle of the goddess is denoted by the term Nagendra. Ordinarily it would mean 'a huge snake'. But Naga also means an elephant, and in this image of Manasa from Assam, we find an elephant depicted as the vehicle of the goddess.

    "Janguli, however, is more likely Atharvanic."


    Quote ...a daughter of the aboriginal people with something of a divine character and with remedies against snake-bite appears also in the Atharva-Veda, and this fact makes the antiquity of Janguli less suspicious. A little girl of the Kiratas (wild aboriginal people) in the Atharva-Veda, X-4-14, digs a remedy against snake-bite with golden shovels upon the ridges of the mountain. In X-4-24, possibly this very same girl is called Taudi and Ghrtachi and the devotee takes shelter under her 'poison-spoiling track'. When we remember that Ghrtachi is only another name for Sarasvati and that Sarasvati herself is spoken of in one passage in the Atharva-Veda as a destroyer of poison and also take into consideration the fact that Janguli has the attributes of Sarasvati, some conclusions begin to take shape. The Vedic goddess Sarasvati, in one of her aspects, was a destroyer of snake-poison and was often invoked in that capacity. Sarasvati, in this aspect, was a girl of the Savaras. This aspect did not develop in the Brahmanical Pantheon, but the Mahayana Buddhists accepted this snake-goddess and called her Janguli, and did not forget her connection with the Savaras, The Brahmanical anti-venom Sarasvati, the source of Janguli, was forgotten before the latter's rising popularity. Manasa appears to have been imported into Bengal from Southern India at the crest of a Brahmanical revival. She quickly outdid Janguli in popularity.

    "And yes, the same character type holds true for Parnasabari. They share this Atharvanic healer nature based on Prana; we can find it in the Samputa.

    Notice what we find in a current Bengali Manasa verse."


    Quote kanta| kancanasannibham badanam padmananam sobhanam nagendraih krtasekharam phanimayim dibyangaraganbitam | carbabangim dadhati prasadamabhayam nityam karabhyam muda bande sankaraputrika‍ bisaharim padmoptabam janguli ||


    "So, Manasa stelae of the Pala era most likely come from a different ethos."


    Quote The Senas came from Southern India and settled in Bengal in the middle of the 11 th century A. D. They very likely favoured the worship of the snake goddess an impetus to Mancha, and their rise probably gave her popularity. The decline of Buddhism by this time gradually transferred the honours paid to Janguli to Mancha, who fast became Manasa at the hands of the theologists.

    The large number of stone images of Manasa of the 10 th- 12 th century, that have been found throughout Bengal, testify to the established character of her cult during the period. It is noteworthy that pots and utensils, with figures of snakes of Manasa, were found on them, evidently used in the worship from the Raghurampur excavation (vide infra, p. 232-). The excavation conducted by the Varendra Research Society. of Rajsahi in a part of the large tank at Deopada, from the bank of which was recovered the famous stone inscription of Vijaya Sena Deva, also yielded similar objects, as well as a large number of mediaeval images of Manasa.

    The majority of the images of Manasa found in the country, represent her as sitting on a lotus with the right leg pendant. Seven snakes spread their hoods like a canopy over her head and the goddess holds the eighth snake in her left hand. In her right hand she holds a fruit in the Varada-mudra. To her right is represented an emaciated bearded man, while a crowned male figure sits on her left. The marked emaciation of the figure to the right, points him out as Jaratkaru, lit.-one who dried up a fine figure (by the austerity of his devotions). The figure to the left may be that of Astika, the son of the goddess, but the crown on the head may be an indication that he is to be taken as Vasuki, the Naga king, brother of the goddess. In many images, a fine pitcher appears underneath the lotus seat of the goddess.

    "They're easy to see. The Cobra Hood is the same, but Manasa holds an eighth snake, and is with companions that we find questionable.

    Our mantras say Janguli is Matangi, who is also Sarasvati, that is, a tantric, sometimes intoxicated form.

    Janguli and Gandhamadana are in the Mayuri as Vedic Rishis, which is semi-fictional; some of them are real. One could always claim there are others who were not listed in the transmission, yet many seem to be post-Vedic names.

    In Sadhanamala, manasa is never a proper name, but is common for 'mental'."


    Quote manasā vācayen mantraṃ oṃ tāre tuttāre ture svāhā /


    "It confuses linguists about her name, because it is an adjective or adverb. Plausibly, it is being used to mimic a Telugu name.

    There is an Amnayamanjari fragment with Janguli 120 and 121. Janguli 120 is the only Sutra in Sadhanamala, replete with the normal beginning, evam maya srutam.

    And one more thing. The back third of the Krishna Yamari tantra is not about Krishna Yamari. Instead, it is about Vajradakini and Paramasva.

    The latter has an interesting verse."


    Quote tathā paramāśvamantraṃ tu vajrapātālakasya tu |
    paramāśvabhāvanāyogāt khadhātukaṃ paribhramet || 25 ||

    Ariana said, "His mantra has to do with the Underworld, Patala, while his yoga has to do with the Akash, Kha."

    "Well, it might be worth looking at one of the few things that is actually about Paramasva, rather than calling him Hayagriva.

    The brief presence of Janguli, in its turn, appears to be precursor for Kurukulla."



    I had gotten myself stuck in someone's radiator like a moth.

    "This is a mature subject."

    He waved Dinky's socks under my nose, to repel insects while administering smelling salts.

    Genta said, "There's something good about Kurukulla."

    I said, "She's supposed to be Tarodbhava Kurukulla. That is, Tara summons her, not in the easy way like Khadira simply has attendants, but a fairly long sadhana involving a Flask of vajradakinis. So this...this...this thing he is talking about here may be something broader or something like a Jnana Mudra. For whatever reason, he is correct, Janguli is a tantric goddess. The only thing I can say is she assists you to cross over water, and, Kurukulla is almost exclusively part of Lotus Family which is Fire."

    He didn't believe I didn't trust him.

    Fergus was not content to let me try to maintain what he was talking about. I knew something was about to happen that would feel like going through a lawnmower. He looked like he was made of an impenetrably hard vajra substance and I thought he might be able to destroy the universe. So I listened to him for a moment.

    "The weird Pancha Raksha 206 is so weird, you would not draw it properly either.

    It is a step into the Five Wisdoms or Pancajnana you like a standard version of, but this one is highly tailored to something we do not understand.

    It doesn't have Lotus or Karma Families, so, to begin with, its deployment is a bit different.

    It goes in a basic order, starting in the center with Pratisara."


    Quote caityālaṅkṛtamūrddhā

    Genta said, "Crowned by a Caitya, which nominally implies Buddha Family. The next one has no crown, but there is a Cihna or Family Sign."


    Quote huṃkāreṇa vajracihnapariṇamena mahāsāhasrapramarddanī

    Dinky said, "The next, Mayuri, goes back to the expected crown."


    Quote ratnamukuṭinī

    "But then it continues on Mantranusarani."


    Quote ratnamukuṭinīṃ

    Fergus said, "Finally, Sitabani is Green, in the North, doing Abhaya Mudra, and not in Karma Family."


    Quote tathāgatamukuṭinī

    "And it is exactly her mantra that does what you explained as Roots growing to the Seven Jewels of Enlightenment."


    Quote indriyabalaviśodhani

    "Although the sins are customary, you will notice the Skandhas have been shifted so that Form starts in the center, which makes everything slip a spot accordingly."


    Quote pūjāstutyamṛtāsvādapūrvvakaṃ bhāvayet vicakṣaṇaḥ - cakṣuṣormohavajrī
    mahāpratisarā, śrotrayor dveṣavajrī mahāsāhasrapramarddanī, ghrāṇe
    mātsaryyavajrī mahāmāyūrī, vaktre rāgavajrī mahāmantrānu-
    sāriṇī, spharśe īrṣyāvajrī mahāsitvatī / evaṃ rūpavedanā-
    saṃjñāsaṃskāraviññānaskandhadhātvāyatanasvabhāvā evaṃ devatā-
    viśuddhito jñātavyā viśeṣataḥ /

    I said, "You're right.

    Yes, the listed order is the correspondence, so the combination appears to assign Skandhas that way, reminding that a Dhatu and Ayatana come along with it. But of course those are inherent; you would still have Earth in the East, where Sahasrapramardani is attributed with Hearing, and the phrase Ayatana means not the ear or the phenomenon, but, that type of consciousness involved with sound, a Gauri, I think it was Cauri in fact.

    The change would mean Dharmadatu Wisdom, coming out of Vijnana Skandha, is in Buddha Family.

    These deities are purifying the Skandha, rather than standing for its Pure state like the Prajnas do.

    So, again, a lot of these sadhanas are a neyartha, or, we think, provisional measure. The Pancha Raksa have been extremely popular as protective prayers, and, I think, the sadhanas are availing themselves of the popularity, to use the deities in a more subjective Yoga application.

    After all, the phrase protect a Bodhisattva in the womb does not really deal with pregnancy, because fetuses are not Bodhisattvas. But the months in the term represent the Bodhisattva Grounds. In this case, the womb is Yoga, or Generation Stage, or attempts to place oneself truly on the Path. And if that Path is largely made by indriyabalavishodani, it makes perfect sense.

    The effusions of Nectar and presence of Viraja and the complex forms are a massive change compared to most recognizable dangers to be protected from."


    Ariana said, "These deities are a mix. Pratisara has to do with a site in Bihar, Sitabani is near Dungeswari, and, Mayuri is perhaps a type of class that might be found there or anywhere.

    The other two are just Buddhist practice, Mantra Memory, and Pramardani is the destructive final samadhi, destroying all falsehood or particularly the Maras."

    Fleep said, "That makes them the closest physical thing to Bodh Gaya or Buddha's Enlightenment, the transformation being when he declined asceticism by eating an offering."

    Dinky said, "Feels like a vortex, doesn't it?"

    Genta said, "Having the physically closest thing to Buddha take a sudden conversion to Buddha Family is suggestive, to say the least.

    Not to overlook the fact that she or her area are the core of all tantric initiation."

    I said, "Yes, if we credit Ellora with rolling out recognizable, technical matches of tantrism, we are unable to pin that high level of detail to it, and certainly not the continuity.

    Close scrutiny implies that some of the language was used there, but, we cannot take it much further than that, and then it was a loss.

    Let's consider, for a moment, what it means to talk about the Path."


    They did good at this. They were reverential and respectful. I really couldn't ask for better people, let alone find them.

    "The Paramitas or Perfections are something we usually talk about doing six simultaneously, but the Bodhisattva Grounds are a sequence.

    You'd think it's fairly simple to be energetic, but, this does not mean you are on the Third Bhumi.

    What are they? In Pranayama, you can rise on the Bhumis, maybe you can even peg the Tenth, but it is momentary. You will drop out again to the point where we do not believe we are even on the First Bhumi yet. Bodhisattva Path means that Ground or Stage is permanent; it is you.

    So then if we have the third Dharani goddess, she corresponds, in some way, to the Third Paramita and to the Third Bhumi, while you see those are in a state of flux until some distant period when it becomes permanent.

    The Bhumis and Grounds are not ceremonies or initiations, they are not like steps you think you are trying to make and then, oh, I am on the Third Bhumi, in fact they have very little meaning until you make a high rate of progress, and one or more authorities examine your character, which gives us various reports about people having attained the Bhumis. And it might just be three -- not one, two, three, but a long jump.

    Out of modesty, I would think not to think or say anything about oneself in these terms. You still are really focusing the Paramitas. But especially due to prana, you can feel and be aware of degrees of spiritual states. So, I think, yes, you can feel results, at least temporarily in meditation. As you know, being able to hold this meditative mindset in daily affairs is next to impossible. The more you put into it, the more you will be able to bring out of it."

    Fleep said, "So, for example, you could say Melting the Heruka is the Seventh Bhumi, and penetrating the Voids is the Eighth, something like that."

    "Yes. I can't recall the exact numbers right off hand, but it is something like that. The more stable and powerful you are in meditation, and can tell a change from your former mortal framework, then you can start accessing some of the Bhumis, and the advanced parts of Subtle Yoga take place on the higher ones."


    Pawlsy said, "You have proven Ellora has at least something in common with Namasangiti DDV, which means it probably has a majority in common. There might be one or two different deities, but, overall, the only evidence is that it probably is a similar Dharani system related to the Paramitas and Grounds, and, there is no countering or alternate information available.

    Janguli has the antiquity of any, and more than some, of these deities.

    She's been relegated to oblivion, but, in fact, she is her own system, which is right there in the Sadhanamala, one hundred per cent.

    Arguably, it is equal to Mahayoga."

    What is strange is for all this time, me and Pawlsy always got along. Never a single quarrel.

    And it was superb that was pretty much the way of the whole group. Dedication to each other was always completely positive. Yes, we were, in fact, still a type of slave militia, but that was our nature.


    We weren't directly political, but, we were entirely grassroots. I tried to explain to Pawlsy there was something similar, but probably not as powerful, in America.

    We were all a little disconcerted that a nation would do this type of thing to itself:


    Quote In 1961, the commercial food industry was rapidly expanding its use of synthetic preservatives, artificial dyes, and intensive mechanical treatments (such as the industrial Chorleywood Bread Process introduced that same year). Hunter’s book directly challenged this by teaching home cooks how to bypass supermarket-processed items.

    "Pawls, it may sound unnecessary or superfluous to us, but, over there, it is kind of a big deal. Look at this The Natural Foods Cookbook 1961."




    Quote Beatrice wasn't without her critics when her book debuted. Surprisingly, many midcentury nutritionists belittled Beatrice's opposition to refined sugars, pesticides, preservatives and food additives, calling her fussy and and cranky, but Beatrice pressed on anyway.

    She said, "They like eating chemicals and mock you for being human."

    Fergus said, "I'm going to eat something raw off the ground."

    We had a huge bias in this. And so we had taken an offer to do a commercial, but, complicated matters by refusing to travel across the Atlantic. We agreed to let the sponsor come do the production here in Yugoslavia. I think he was a little nervous about it. Like goons with Makarovs were going to pop out of every shadow.

    It seemed unusual to us that an American would be particularly interested in Pawlsy, but not because of music. We weren't asked to play or sing anything. It's just a scene about her in the kitchen using flour to make Mutter Miscuits. Anybody could do that. Why would you pay millions of dollars and go halfway around the world to make a little show that doesn't even have any interesting kind of acting in it?

    We wanted him to feel abducted, so we flew him out to Pristina and put him in an old world hostel. We got some people to pass by to make sure he would see Muslims and Serbians blending with Albanians. I got the reluctant role of dealing with the English language. I of course had very low expectations and thought I would be doing most of the work for him. I mean it's the same thing we do every day. And it's kind of like...what makes this so special?

    It was a rather fat chap, that for purposes of simplicity we will call "Nelson". To his credit, he came from a line of midwestern farmers, and, more or less, by his own efforts, had formed a large-scale distribution ring with trucks and all that, with the main purpose of saving them from banks foreclosing on their land. We understood and appreciated the thing that was going on here. You're trying to compete with someone who comes in with essentially unlimited money, who has no real interest in people, just more money.

    We told him we were aware of the disregarded 1930s report on depleting the soil, and the need of the FDA to step in to prevent businesses from letting grain accumulate rat feces, rat toenails, and dead rats. If you don't force them, they won't take on the expense to maintain normal cleanliness. In fact, they won't react at all until lawsuits from sickness and death threaten to cost more than the upgrades; that's the determining factor. Not death, money.

    It turned out he was deeply motivated by something we didn't really remember. It was when we were talking about what HPB calls "real Rosicrucians" and we had only made a reference to Count Wilihorski. And somehow this had got mixed up with a picture of one of our performances near the Polish border. The Americans had determined Pawlsy was immortal, and this had been passed off to St. Germain as a decoy, because he just didn't appear to age. He was never that old. I think everybody knows that. He just looked young; a lot of stuff was made up about him.

    "My wife's aunt is Polish, and her family was involved with Wilihorski's rites, but they don't have the books any more."

    He was sweaty and flatulent. He had some breathing problems, and looked like he should have been taking some of his own advice. But he was determined to bring this Polish Rosicrucianism to America and unite with the ones in Philadelphia. Serious.

    I spoke to my friends in foreign languages. "At least it isn't Golden Dawn."

    Fergus said, "Should we let him have it? I don't think he realizes how far more Russian we are."

    Dinky said, "Fergus, you've never been to Russia."

    Ariana said, "You know what he means."

    Fleep said, "They've got a lot more radar."

    Genta said, "This isn't about the air force."

    Dinky said, "No, but it might be some kind of Polish diaspora revolution."

    Fergus said, "Do you think that farmer is capable of anything but farming?"

    Dinky threw a book of Rosicrucian rites at Fergus.

    Fergus mixed applesauce and gasoline and dumped it out the window.

    I said, "So this is a good idea?"

    Pawlsy said, "Let him believe this thing until he figures it out otherwise.

    The Count lived before the age of photography, so, I don't know what kind of joke this is.

    But, if it motivates him, we shall entertain it, because this will at least give me a close insight to the American food system."

    She was spying.

    "Nelson, let's do this in a European flour mill that was outfitted with Austrian gears around 1900. The building is a few centuries. Nothing in Europe is considered old until it's at least two hundred."

    We drove him to an undisclosed location, taking the scenic route.

    It was a lot like being handcuffed with a bag over your head, minus the handcuffs and bag.

    "We have our own editing studio, where modifications will be made causing parts of the film to speed up a little bit, and other areas will drop and skip. This will be in addition to artifacts such as lint, and moments of over-saturation."

    "I just want it to clearly name my flour and Pawlsy the Cat.

    All that matters is we make a team like that, that people will remember.

    What we actually say doesn't matter that much.

    We need to get fifty-seven seconds that makes that team."


    I looked at Fergus. "He's using Hollywood techniques against them."

    Fergus said, "That gives me an idea for a second commercial. But it's not my business."

    Fleep said, "On our part, we're going to do this slowly. Remember, only a few tiptoe steps into that strange market so the mystique will spread."

    He had part of a set, that included, of course, a portrait of his wife's aunt. Some drapes and other things that may or may not work, to make the place look a little Americanized, and related to these Polish emigre's.

    We drove Pawlsy out separately, with some friends in uniform with rifles, just for looks.

    When he saw her approach, he outright fainted. We had to prop him up in a director's chair with a fan nearby.

    And since it was of course going to be overdubbed, we told her to say anything she wanted going along. She's fluent in Greek, French, Albanian, and Bulgarian, and she kept switching around. This seemed to affect him greatly. I don't think he understood a word.

    Apparently, it is tremendously exciting to watch Pawlsy open a bag of flour. Her spatula work is astonishing, and she can really crack an egg like no one else. So we had it look like his company had just made the flour in the mill, and she thought it was perfect.

    He was really happy and thoroughly anxious the whole time. Her persona and the atmosphere we provided made him like a subject of bizarre psychiatric experiments. He told me it was too powerful and asked why it was like that if the wars had been over for a long time.

    I said, "Sir, you don't understand. Those fingers that are working magic in your flour, if they catch the base of a man's skull plates at the back of his head, will peel it like a grape. I've watched this many times, much closer than we are now.

    Pawlsy's security is for protecting everyone else from her.

    She's kind of touchy."

    "Can...can...can I meet her?

    After we were done, we let him come within about four feet of her, to say something she didn't understand, and she said something he didn't understand. His heart rate went over three beats per second.

    "Take her away before he starts strangulating."

    Fleep said, "I'll bring an ice bucket."

    "Nelson, you are about to go into a coma. It's happened before. Let's see if we can resuscitate you."

    It seemed he was actually physically pretty tough, but his mind must have been latched on to something that blew everything out of proportion.

    We made sure he returned home with some of our merchandise, plastic flowers whose petals were stamped with black prints of Fergus in his "devil face", Genta as a dryad that the wreath grew from. and lots of pictures that were not exactly real.

    "We're thinking of doing a split single with some Yugoslavian band."

    "I'll be your first collector."

    "Why? You've never heard us."

    "Yes I have. I've got the 78."

    I looked at Dinky. "It's already working."

    Dinky said, "Ha...ha."

    Fleep looked at Ariana and said, "Hahahahahaha."

    We joined in.

    "Nelson, this flour of yours is fine, just quit taking on so much, cut away beer to next to nothing, and try more pickles. Then maybe take up jogging or something.

    You've got about five years to prevent serious back pain and problems with your internal organs. You don't get a second chance on this."

    He looked like no one had ever said anything particularly meaningful to him.

    "You're right. I need to take that seriously. I'd like to see this work out and the businesses stand against the encroaching conglomerates."

    "If you don't hold out, no one will think like a farmer any more.

    They'll blot it out completely."

    "That's what I'm afraid of. Banks will wipe it all out, and look at everything as just dollars-per-acre, and the products won't be any good."

    "We'll never license Pawlsy's image to be used in any of the printing. You can use her name as a supporter, and you can do another commercial sometime if you think it will help."


    So...eh...yeah. The distortion in that clip was really unacceptable by broadcast standards. The overdubbing was completely out-of-time with her actual speech. Everything that could be awful about it, was, and this made it come out looking really good, for fans of the weird. We ourselves didn't like any kind of straightlaced delivery, not in terms of a show, it had to have a comic element or we would talk over it. A full-length film could be serious, if it was a serious subject making you think, but otherwise we had no patience for the "proper" way of doing things.

    Dinky said, "Should we tell them the rest of it?"

    I said, "I don't know...might be too much of a giveaway."

    Ariana said, "We agreed to tell everyone, how this, what they know as, modern, world, came to be."

    Fergus said, "We have hammered out most of that. We've already admitted that we got out of war and politics."

    Fleep said, "There aren't any big changes, because, obviously, the 'Blocs' and the Cold War just sit in place, and just kind of accelerate through technological upgrades. Do we need to talk about color television or the jet set?"

    Pawlsy said, "I actually like my Wibault 670."

    Dinky said, "Always a pleasure."

    Genta said, "Meaning, we're going obsolete, nothing new or special about us?"

    I said, "Well, all the technocrats, or modernizers, would see it that way. Our latest thing, so to speak, is Goju Kai, which doesn't change. Most everything we do is impervious to updates."

    "And the new league, the Non-Aligned one, is basically permanent and expansive, just certainly not in the foreground of their thought."

    "So what else can we tell them about?"

    "I'm not sure we should really tell them."

    Pawlsy said, "It's ok."

    I said, "I am going to hem and haw."

    Fergus said, "You are going to go through all the circles of hell at way less than a mile an hour."

    Dinky said, "That doesn't seem to bother him."

    I said, "I'm going to make you do it."

    "Oh no you won't. You might be able to push me around, you can probably mop the floor with me, but, you are not going to make me do anything."

    "I can do it without your knowledge or consent."

    "Oh."

    Fleep said, "I'm satisfied that anyone knows about me at all. I'm really proud to have played a hand in this outfit, even if I am not important, and am the smallest person here."

    I said, "I was prepared to give my life at every moment. But even you were really important in preventing that from happening. I owe everything to everyone. As myself, I am just a worm."

    Ariana said, "Most of us probably would have been illiterate sacrifices at one point or another. I always knew there was something more to this than just a quaint old notion."


    We were galvanized in the eternity.

    "Dinky, you might have to do it."

    "Oh no I'm not."

    We were going to draw one of those shortest straws.

    Pawlsy said, "People are going to talk circles about similar subjects, and ignore Harran and the Parthian Syncretic Deity while we continue to pursue it with the update, so to speak, from its eastern arm as Buddha and the continuity through Shaolin."


    I was surprised to see her bow in to karate as an absolute novice the same way she did mentally with Buddhism.

    That is to say, she excelled at both, but she really saw it as established by masters who had great wisdom worth emulating.

    She learned some Sanskrit, too, and could tell you beyond the convenient label 'Buddhism' that I am an Alikakara Vijnanavadin, but she doesn't expect anyone to know what that means. I was, too, except I really did get Pranayama in a sort of non-Buddhist, or, maybe I should say, pan-yogic way. Then it took me a long time to even learn Muttering in a more correct way in relation to a deity or Devata. That may be the only thing about me, is, I know this works the way it says it does.

    That is why I am able to compare and contrast the commentaries and Mahamudra doctrines, in a way that I understand it immediately with no further prompting. It's an experience that's hard to put into words, and, those are the words. It's what I was trying to say. But we don't have the language for it, because that is the language for it. As you see, one of the most concise and direct revelations, Mahamaya, is at least a little bit beyond any routine mundane discussion, as it is already highly synthetic.

    Fergus said, "Yes, to combine and boil down these various Dharma categories, is to synthesize them.

    Thinking of practicing Six Paramitas at once is merely a hint of this."

    Just like he was the only one who could come close to fighting me, he competed with me mentally at such a profound level, it was like the tidal force of the Moon or something.

    I think that's why he became interested in PR 206. He liked the way the Pancha Raksa were a blend, so to speak, of Buddhist Sutras with native yoginis or Durgas. It captivated him how, at first, you can do a kind of customary Five Families thing with them, and then the large sadhana which is a Mahabala Raudra Krama, literally mantrifies the process that directly places you on the Path, because it is doing exactly that, turning up your power. He wanted to know if amplification could do the same thing.

    He became a fan of feedback, static, and noise, not so much as a continuous piece of music, but as effects and accents in certain areas.

    We didn't get in to pure noise or some of the totally free jazz, which was like the opposite extreme of bubblegum pop. There's a lot of bad out there. For some reason, it appears to succeed. We didn't understand that at all. But again our response to anything that was going on, was nothing. We were unaffectable, except inasmuch as we picked the things we would get into. There definitely was some good, and it comes in a lot of idioms and styles.

    Dinky said, "So you want me to do it?"

    I said, "Not right now."

    We used a lot of oil lamps fueled by our custom herbal blends from Gjakova and Provence. That remained the closest thing to our businesses, that gave, at least, some people, regular jobs. Nothing major, nothing like American corporations gobbling up more and more land and producing corn syrup by subsidy, just a couple of specialized farms in remote locations that could do enough small-scale distribution to be viable. That's it.

    We were kind of low-tech, and liked fire in any conceivable way.

    Would my friends develop the inner kind?

    Does it remain somewhat in the world of myth and allegory?

    Genta said, "We should work on some kind of a parting gesture.

    Something with a little music and art as a way of commemorating...we didn't really take over the world...but we were a contributing cause in shaping some of it."

    Fleep said, "You already played the joke about me and the last song. So that can't be it."

    Fergus said, "This is a three-encore band. We're tireless. And ruthlessly dedicated to fanatic performance."

    Ariana said, "The phrase, Pawlsy the Cat Is Her Name, comes from these early commercials."

    I said, "Stop!"

    Fergus said, "Master, we have an act to perform, and wings to vanish to."

    Dinky said, "How do you get the genie back in the bottle?"

    Genta said, "Electrolux."

    Fleep said, "Cheating."

    Ariana said, "Without our costumes and songs, we're nothing."

    Fergus said, "Memories in the wind."

    Genta said, "Phantoms."

    Dinky said, "Never has beens."

    Fleep said, "Like a mirage, like a gandharva city, like a dream."

    I said, "Water Moon."

    Pawlsy said, "Everyone go to bed. We'll come up with this tomorrow."

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    The Farewell to History Tour



    We wanted the right resource to be put together so that it would be known Pawlsy was not some hot-headed rebel without a cause, but, a set of carefully-cultivated values impervious to bombardment from extraneous notions.

    We will defend these to the death, but, we will not aggressively force it in anyone else's homeland, by overt or covert means. We will use dialogue, especially unofficial dialogue such as our songs and meetings with fans, which, of course, will be reported as some kind of conspiracy for decades to come. But those dialogues are Exactly Backwards, or Orwellian, and cannot be taken seriously.

    That brings us to the conclusion of our historical discussion on watching how the world failed to grasp the lessons of the French Revolution and was doomed to repeat it over and over again.



    "Pawls, I think we have one more explanation before we explain ourselves."

    She said, "I'm not sure they will understand anything. But you can try.

    Everybody knows that I picked up a lot of Asian influences, and what I'm trying to trace it to is that statue of Buddha with what you call syncretic deity."

    Fleep said, "The eastern side lived, and the western broke away. It hasn't progressed, because it's in freefall. They don't remember."

    Fergus said, "It does have a western interpretation.

    Mars as Victory.

    It is distributed in multiple languages, however, the last iteration was Hermetic, in the sense Antiochus I Commagene discarded the lunar calendar and adopted the Egyptian Sothic cycle or heliacal arising of Sirius.

    Hermetic means Hermes has been identified with Thoth -- despite the lack of historical connection -- and that western scriptures are applicable, while Orphismos lacks those traits."


    Ariana said, "You find exactly the same syncretic deities from Afghanistan at this western terminus in Commagene, Anatolia, Tyche and Herakles with Zeus and Hermes Apollo.

    Nemrut Dagh is a booked or mirror image site; the eastern side is more prominent with a large altar, the west copies the same group of deities on a lesser part of the hill."










    "Tyche is the only local one, the native Goddess of Commagene.

    That's Buddha's companion."


    Dinky said, "But that's not how strange this is."

    Ariana said, "No, it's really not."

    I said, "The Mandeans weren't saying they are called Sabians, they really meant Subba, or Baptizers. And of course they connect themselves to John the Baptist.

    But what was not really spoken was, baptism of what?

    It is into the same Mars Herakles, called Wahram in Persian."

    Fergus said, "It's attested on a statue that was captured in 150 from Characene or Messene, a region of lower Elam inhabited by Mandeans and also crucial for east-west trade.

    It's found at additional sites throughout the region. So you know the same deity is Nergal, Avestan Verethragna, Indian Indra are all aspects of Victory but the key is to see it in the philosophical way, and not simply as winner of a conflict. It's more the principle of victory granted to the superior moral force. So, of course, Zeus and the Sun speak to that. And we are saying Greek is acceptable all the way into the Kushan Empire. And yes it is that theoretical combination of Chronos Apeiron and Zeruana Akerne. If you wanted to say that was also original Neo-Platonic Theosophy, it would be close, because then you start getting into questions about how Abrahamic scripture fits in or does it."

    Fleep said, "We were more intrigued with the likelihood of archaic Albanian reflecting this substratum. Pre-Abrahamic Semitic is probably close. There are no ancient Semitic references to Abraham. The assignment to the planet, Mars, is also probably relatively late, and so we are saying Nergal and Indra are similar in function, not in origin or to that planet.

    On Kushan coins he is usually called Orlagno.

    In fact, it is close to the most important subject found in Kanishka's bi-lingual coinage."


    Quote The chief traders between India and the Persian Gulf were
    the Mesenians. They are the principal figures in our
    story, and I shall speak of them at length anon.

    The chief town of this region was Mesene or Maisan.
    Josephus makes the Armenians, the Bactrians, the
    Nabatseans of Damascus, and the Mesenians—the four
    great trading peoples of the East—to be the sons of one
    common father, who was a son of Shem.

    Even in the
    first century B.C. the fame of Mesene, or T'iao-che, had
    reached the Chinese, and that at a time when no Chinaman
    had travelled further west than Kandahar or Herat, and
    very few so far.

    Between these Mesenian merchants and the Chinese,
    the people of Kashmir, Kabul, and Arachosia acted as
    intermediaries. According to the Chinese the civilization
    of these countries was all one ; they were all given to
    trade ; but the people of Kabul were pre-eminently traders :

    " ils sont bons marchands et ont des richesses privees
    considerables."

    The population was Indian throughout,
    with a large proportion of Yavanas, especially in Kabul.
    The vulgar speech was Prakrit, but Greek was spoken in
    the bazars in the first century B.C.

    We have therefore two large commercial communities,
    among the most important of their time, with an ancient
    connexion dating from the time of the Bactrian Greeks.
    The one of these communities spoke Aramaic, the other
    Prakrit, while settlements of Greeks were common in both,
    and the Greek language was generally understood.

    Ariana said, "It sounds like conjecture, although it may be almost literally true. Armenia was an Ice Age refuge, its language is called the "center" of Indo-European, and it was probably also the source of southward expansions we would call Semitic, as a distinct language family, which means there would have been and actual Shem the Mandeans remember.

    Then when you claim Mesenians are part of that descent, that is to speak for the Mandeans, who thought in terms of much broader Semitic peoples that also included the Jews; such as Nabatean Arabs.

    Exactly how they were Indian or one civilization, we don't know. But so it is said."



    Syncretic traits of Herakles are Zurvanite and Ram Yast:


    Herakles-Wind, and Herakles-Hermes


    since:

    Quote ...the first manifestation of Verethragna was
    precisely that of a strong and beautiful wind, bearer of Glory, Health, and
    Power.

    therefor:

    Quote It will be thus clear that Pre-Islamic Near Eastern antiquity had very precise
    symbological figurative realizations of the wind, both as an instrument of
    victory (Verethragna) and as an instrument of m i'räj (the miraculous mount
    of the Akvän type).

    The idea being that an onager or donkey is another form. And so yes, part of the significance is in seeing how Verethraghna flows or moves around in the Yashts and interacts with others.

    Also that he is "along with" Shamash or Apollo.


    Anyway, considering "Wind" cognate to Vata or Vayu, Verethragna takes ten forms in Conquering Death by Wind, which, at least, at the basis, is similar to our pursuit of Immortality via prana -- air. Zoroastrian Air Burial is entirely based on a special reverence for Air.


    Fergus said, "A very late form of syncretism is found at the Afghan Hadda complex. We have studied that eidola, originally shades or phantoms, had, through the Atomists, become images produced by the brain, like Sight Object in Buddhism. And this is represented by Buddha with Erotes."






    "We're still unconvinced about saying there was a universal doctrine, but it was a general trend of thought under a similar outer Dharma or state of reasonable tolerance, and a single theme cannot truly become universalized, since describing the world depends on seasons and agricultural cycles that are regional. Arguably, a spiritual journey to the Sun may be common, but the total details of all writings are like identifying how each individual area was part of a whole.

    On the other hand, both Zoroastrianism and the Abrahamic faiths tried to declare themselves the ultimate and the others false, which was actually a brand new way of thinking."

    Genta said, "It was. And it is right there in Commagene that you find conversions to Judaism and Christianity in rapid succession, which took advantage of ideas about Thomas to formulate what we know as Orthodoxy, in Adiabene and Osroene or Edessa."

    The fact of this being based on miracles and physical resurrection is where we fail to gain any faith. You have an obsession with virginity and mortification of the body feeding into it.

    It makes a fault line area of pro-Roman rebels against Parthians, becoming a Roman province in 72.

    "The last pagan holdout was Harran, and the Medicis' Corpus Hermeticum is supposed to be Harranian.

    But, as you know, the Peace of Westphalia only recognizes two kinds of Abrahamism being real."

    I said, "That's right. It was a moral triumph, but limited to the intellection of its time. Of course, it was immediately opposed by one of those two factions, and that is what we have been dealing with.

    Although the United States is more Protestant, it also seems to disregard the main value.

    I've killed, I don't know how many people, in the effort to say most of this fighting is unnecessary, and you might need to re-think the meaning of Mars -- War and Victory."


    Pawlsy said, "We'll overlook the Soviets, because what appears as aggression is understandable in the view of having been invaded and nearly exterminated by Napoleon and Hitler. My only concern is one secondary trade route that, in most senses, is our first line of defense, being relatively remote and poor, without resources.

    On the other hand, the country was nearly an open door with Trieste, and while the Iron Curtain was earning its name, I thought we were enjoying a slow process of healing after, perhaps, unlimited, eternal conflict."



    Yugoslavia was only a year or so behind American music and film. A good deal of what they had was distributed in our country quite eagerly. It was the natural result of the communist countries being so strict; they had little to offer. You couldn't sell there. We didn't really need to boost our volume; we sent merchandise to the States as a way to pan for reactions. We thought it would be a matter of time before we could tempt someone to catch one of our shows in France or something like that. We were hoping to reel them in so they would know our live performances first and foremost. But we weren't just going to invite some critic from the New York Times; we wanted it to be as spontaneous as possible.

    We made sure that our stuff would be imported as "Yugoslavian merchandise" rather than intellectual copyrights that would be licensed by BMG or one of those. These amount to "unofficial releases", or "bootleg", that would be something you could find, but you could never order it in a store properly.

    We developed a persona that received awards for albums from the 1930s which didn't exist.

    So how did we do it?

    Dinky said, "It was all fake." He had a real watch. "Those scenes where it looks like Pawlsy is with an American celebrity were all filmed in the studio and on location in Yugoslavia. None of it ever happened. We did some splicing and effects and made everything real dodgy, like it was smuggled contraband, and it was only those commercials that were more or less the straight deal."

    Pawlsy said, "I didn't care about that. We found something that really did break through all borders, the conflicts of the World Wars and the Cold War, music, in aggregate that was so much more than any single artist could ever be.

    That was how we got more involved with western Europe, and, by extension, America. I guess by Soviet standards, we were corrupt. Here's a little sparkle of how something American slipped in."


    Fleep said, "We had really been into American blues and big band and stuff since the 30s, but it's hats off to the woman who made staple albums by an iconic figure such a huge deal, MissPeggy Lee everyone, ladies and gentlemen, Peggy Lee."


    Fergus said, "There was a tune being passed around in instrumental version, which got caught as a new name for some youngsters in The Hague, who had been opening for the British group The Hunters."


    Quote The Dutch rock band Golden Earring was named after their single "Golden Earrings" which was most likely inspired by the spy-fi movie from 1947 with the same title.

    "Golden Earrings" is a song composed by Victor Young, with lyrics by Ray Evans and Jay Livingston, and introduced by Murvyn Vye in the 1947 Paramount film Golden Earrings.

    It was a hit on the both sides of Atlantic as recorded by Peggy Lee.

    I said, "So, yeah, everybody knew it. We started to really follow Peggy when she began whipping out albums in her own name in the 50s. She played a lot of down, soft music that we were not usually that interested in, but she's got a fullness that makes it work."


    Black Coffee





    Golden Earring was a different story.

    Fleep said, "We got them in to Eight Miles High by The Byrds.

    Now if you'll notice this oblique reference by David Crosby to Grace Slick."


    Quote Baron von Tollbooth & the Chrome Nun

    Fergus said, "Pawlsy really liked The Byrds and Grace Slick. We were sort of in the middle of that, turning it over to Golden Earring, who, let's face it, are the permanent member of the rock scene. Same group from the sixties into the next century. Yes The Beatles were the big thing, but, they only had an average lifespan, didn't they? Not too short but not the stalwart persistence of some."

    Pawlsy said, "Airplane had to become Starship, and so on, hardly any of them can hold a candle to Peggy Lee. But Grace could really belt one out."

    Fleep said, "They liked The Beatles' Maharishi guy. We were going to go with someone else."


    Mariska Veres




    Quote Her father, Lajos Veres (1912–1981), was a Hungarian violinist of Roma descent.

    Ariana said, "It was going to be White Prajnaparamita with the Mantra Wheel. But it never went through to the press."

    Genta said, "The problem was when she joined, it was really an overnight success with Venus. But that was so pop and this band is so textured, there's no way you'd get a follow-up to it."

    Fergus said, "Tough facts. We're talking about kids learning English in order to get musical success in America. Maybe, at first, it is an imitative reflection of the British Invasion, but then you tell me. Venus and Radar Love are stockpieces."

    "They are. But those bands are both highly versatile. However, by sacrificing the additional voicings of large horn sections and so forth, rock combos are able to muster a certain punchiness that, we think, works."


    Shocking Blue

    Alaska Country





    Dinky said, "So we were in that twist between American and Netherlands rock. We were like adults going around looking for pubs and diners and stuff and trying to find places that would give young people or kids a chance. This is the benefit of modern industry. Enough musical equipment is available that you can do this everywhere. And we believe this really happens, that America's The Runaways and Germany's Scorpions opened Japan, and bands like Deep Purple and The Black Crowes took down the Iron Curtain, and that's the well-known equivalent of what we did mostly in south Europe and India. But that's not exactly what happened."

    I said, "No, Dinky, it's not."

    Fleep said, "There's a reason we just..."

    Ariana said, "This is going to be difficult."

    Fergus said, "How may I assist you."

    I said, "Why don't we..."

    "Master, you can't."

    Dinky said, "I can't neither."

    Genta said, "You sent all these pranks to California."

    Pawlsy said, "Everything would have been fine."

    I said, "But..."

    Fergus said, "But..."

    Ariana said, "But..."

    Fleep had been doing some benedictions and adjusted his Albanian cap.


    "They found the cave."



    We looked around at each other and at nothing.

    That's irreversible. And, in one sense, of course, it's great, people have another natural feature to admire. It truly belongs to the public I suppose.

    But that takes it out of our hands. It's not Sekhmet devotees on a quest for order, it's the public.

    Pawlsy said, "It's been an Egyptian secret since possibly the Illyrian times. No one knows."

    We're not talking about a controlled archeological examination, but a new sightseeing spot. Our headquarters, so to speak, vaporizes.


    In the long run, what we had, was more or less Tito's Yugoslavia. Around this time he began to accept the federalist movement, which had to do with changing the state apparatus from the "tightly run from Belgrade" to a different form of bureaucracy consisting of local assemblies.

    Pawlsy said, "It was deep enough that we re-wrote the Constitution in 1974. Here is part of it."


    Quote The coordinated development of the economy through financing the development of underdeveloped republics and provinces is determined as the general interest at the level of Yugoslavia.

    Socialist self-governing democracy: It is defined as a specific form of the dictatorship of the proletariat which is ensured through a ban on the socio-economic and political organizations aimed at the establishment of capitalist relations.

    Fergus said, "That's really gosh awful nice isn't it.

    They will federally tithe you the profits earned in Dalmatia, and forbid anyone from bringing in certain institutions.

    But guess what. Given greater freedom of action, what do these federated republics do.

    Borrow un-repayable loans."


    Ariana said, "Yes, in the 70s we got into this false prosperity, and then, after Tito's passing in the 80s, what did you have.

    Don't answer that."

    I said, "No, don't."

    Fergus said, "Master, are you going to tell them why this happened?"

    "What do you mean? Why what happened?"

    "You work for Pawlsy by accident.

    She has nothing to do with why this happened. You do."

    He had finally ratted me out. Pawlsy is a dharmapala, it's her duty to be this defensive force among her selected population. I can't change that. I had planned on making a recruiting backchannel from Paris, but that never happened, because I realized her recruiting power was far more brutally effective, and we turned around and pulverized militaries ten times our size.

    By being second-in-command, I was mostly in command, because Pawlsy was adamant about a few things she wanted, and then she would go away and trust your judgment. I don't think I'm all that important. But they all keep telling me I had a noticeable piece of something to do with it.


    "I came from Lodge Zero and Kilwinning Abbey."



















    "We have been affecting western or English affairs since before the modern English language.

    This goes back to the 1100s, and the site you are seeing was heavily damaged by the Glencairns in the 1500s.

    Since then, it has to do with Stuarts on the British throne and ultimately Oliver Cromwell.

    If you see the clock tower, it is newer, from the nineteenth century.

    Parts of the original abbey still exist, but, that is exactly the source of what you know as Masonry.

    I am not a Mason, but, you would be correct to say I am doing masonic research in my endeavors."

    "You don't like the Puritans, so, you thought countless atrocities you committed were the astute way of checking it out."

    "They were."

    "That's true."


    Me and Pawlsy have so much blood on our hands, if I told you human beings looked like anything other than a herd of livestock being sent to slaughter, I'd be lying. In our view, this is necessary and inflexible. The root of our doctrine is Anti-Fascism, understood as aimed at "the Allies" who simply absorbed Germany and Japan.

    What it sounds to us like they are reacting to, is totalitarianism, which is not communism. Most of those repressions are of a somewhat defensive nature, like we get when we find Albanians fighting other Albanians. Some Albanians were Fascists. If that kind of country exists, it won't make a good friend, and you better keep a defensive eye on it. Somewhere like China is way too big for someone like me as an outsider to have any clue about their equivalent of "Albanian Fascists" and so forth. We took this on the chin in Ceylon.

    No one out here was a particular expert on the Anglosphere. Not much particular thought was given to it. I had made them all be very wary since it produced a few outstanding citizens, but generally any offer is some bait-and-switch kind of bluff, and wherever it finds any corrupt official, it's in. I never particularly enjoyed translating for Pawlsy what was going on in Vietnam. When Black Sabbath did War Pigs I was like "listen to this". But none of them really knew anything about the excelling force par excellence at colonialism.

    "Fergus is from Africa; Pawlsy's family never left Egypt until the early nineteenth century as believers in her eventual birth and destiny. Again, this is the educated priestess class of temple musicians. Dinky would have never made it back to Ireland.

    Well, if you want to think about it in the international sense, do you believe we are going to give free rein the the American Anti-Masonic Party?"


    Quote As the 1830s progressed, many of the Anti-Masonic Party's supporters joined the Whig Party, which sought to unite those opposed to the policies of President Jackson.

    "So, party names not mattering much, you can see the coalescence of views happening here, and this becomes a bloc that has not and does not go away.

    I have to be able to refute this in every conceivable tangent.

    The view of a Grand Lodge is if you are up to wrongdoing, you cannot be admitted; so that's what they did to Propaganda Due about five years earlier, kicked them out. That's all they can do; but America uses a lot of low-quality, sensationalized reporting that shortcuts the process of reason, if not circumvents it entirely.

    But if you go back through your notes, yes, that's why from the English-speaking side of my background I was phased through continental Carbonari."


    Fergus said, "In other words, you were pushed towards a cause, which you chose to be these continental affairs in a post-Byron musical orgy. Unbeknownst to you, Pawlsy would become of high value, because there weren't Masonic Lodges of influential membership out here.

    You are going to dispute Anti-Masonry from a view that has to become acceptable to Masonry, that is, Adi Buddha as a type of supreme being, while arguing it is unlike the supreme beings they already know."

    Fleep said, "That's all he's got against the people he just mentioned who are now in a very dangerous gang."

    Genta said, "I can't imagine having to deal with that. It doesn't make sense to me. Real problems are something else."

    I said, "You're such a sweetheart. I don't want to be in the middle of it. But we can't let it be easy for such a narrow view to dominate. And just watch while they re-do the Illuminati mythos. So you've got Anti-Masonry feeding into Anti-Communism, religious fundamentalism, televangelists."

    Fergus said, "Alas; alack."



    Yugoslavia was really just starting to mature a little bit, and it was cumbersome just as the word implies, a bureaucracy of bureaucracies. It was becoming more and more fair, in this kind of stumble drunk, where is the door kind of way, but without Tito, Serbia went back to doing what it does best, being Serbia.

    We gave up merchandising America when the CIA tried to investigate us for information on P2.

    Pawlsy said, "Why don't you dig up Nixon and stick that in him six kinds of sideways."

    Webster Tarpley was of great assistance to the Italian investigators, and LaRouche re-wrote it as an Anti-Communist platform. In that sense, we felt we had adequately pulled the intellectual trigger we had been reaching for from the get-go. We had earned the scorn of "one of those". Tarpley however will go into parts of our same idea about Anarchy, Against Oligarchy.

    Eustace Mullins who wrote Secrets of the Federal Reserve also turned into "one of them".

    Genta said, "No -- I'm sorry, you're mistaken about a few things...mostly the paranoid ones..."

    Fergus said, "As found in most of it.

    While he is fishing for new goblins in the closet, we'll explain what it is to be on the receiving end. Immediately after the war, they had tried something in Albania in a covert but aggressive manner.

    After putting a stop to that, we were, of course, backing the Greek Communists, and that's where they articulate the Truman Doctrine."


    Quote Historian Eric Foner writes that the doctrine "set a precedent for American assistance to anticommunist regimes throughout the world, no matter how undemocratic, and for the creation of a set of global military alliances directed against the Soviet Union."

    The Truman Doctrine underpinned American Cold War policy in Europe and around the world. In the words of historian James T. Patterson:

    The Truman Doctrine was a highly publicized commitment of a sort the administration had not previously undertaken. Its sweeping rhetoric, promising that the United States should aid all 'free people' being subjugated, set the stage for innumerable later ventures that led to globalisation commitments. It was in these ways a major step.

    "Following along, you see a lot of hot air, things like 'free', and other forms of idealism that sound nice, but have no basis in reality. It's just a form of advertising.

    Well, does this type of containment policy ever change? No it does not.

    Now it's his business what happens anywhere in the world.

    And this is even creepier. It's because the Bretton Woods people brushed away Maynard Keynes."


    Quote John Maynard Keynes, wary of repeating the Great Depression, was behind Britain's proposal that surplus countries be forced by a "use-it-or-lose-it" mechanism, to either import from debtor states, build factories in debtor states or donate to debtor states. The U.S. opposed Keynes' plan, and a senior official at the U.S. Treasury, Harry Dexter White, rejected Keynes' proposals, in favor of an International Monetary Fund with enough resources to counteract destabilizing flows of speculative finance. However, unlike the modern IMF, White's proposed fund would have counteracted dangerous speculative flows automatically, with no political strings attached—i.e., no IMF conditionality. Economic historian Brad Delong writes that on almost every point where he was overruled by the Americans, Keynes was later proved correct by events.


    "Anyone listening to Keynes would have been into a world order that consisted of forgiveness, rather than predation."


    Quote Keynes was the principal author of a proposal – the so-called Keynes Plan – for an International Clearing Union. The two governing principles of the plan were that the problem of settling outstanding balances should be solved by "creating" additional "international money", and that debtor and creditor should be treated almost alike as disturbers of equilibrium. In the event, though, the plans were rejected, in part because "American opinion was naturally reluctant to accept the principle of equality of treatment so novel in debtor-creditor relationships".

    The new system is not founded on free-trade (liberalisation of foreign trade) but rather on the regulation of international trade, to eliminate trade imbalances: the nations with a surplus would have an incentive to reduce it, and in doing so they would automatically clear other nations deficits. He proposed a global bank that would issue its currency – the bancor – which was exchangeable with national currencies at fixed rates of exchange and would become the unit of account between nations, which means it would be used to measure a country's trade deficit or trade surplus. Every country would have an overdraft facility in its bancor account at the International Clearing Union. He pointed out that surpluses lead to weak global aggregate demand – countries running surpluses exert a "negative externality" on trading partners, and pose, far more than those in deficit, a threat to global prosperity.

    These ideas were informed by events prior to the Great Depression when – in the opinion of Keynes and others – international lending, primarily by the US, exceeded the capacity of sound investment and so got diverted into non-productive and speculative uses, which in turn invited default and a sudden stop to the process of lending.

    "We could look at how the Bank of International Settlements was formed in Basel, but, we'll just serve it as a reminder.

    The point is all these technocratic companies whose ideology we hacked in the early twentieth century -- it is basically inside all of this.

    There's no reason to be surprised the shoe is on the other foot and now it demonstrates itself as Zio-Fascism.

    The suspicion is some day it will unmake itself."


    Ariana said, "False; unsustainable."

    Dinky said, "That's why we found their music scene as somewhat of a relief."

    Pawlsy said, "The authorities used it as co-intel to track down the undesirables."

    Fleep said, "It's not that free in certain ways is it?"

    I said, "Why would freed slaves need to campaign for civil rights a hundred years later?"

    Genta said, "Because it has a few areas that are progressive and the rest of it is a backwater?"

    "Well, we certainly won't get any American friends other than those who have major complaints."

    "I didn't intend it as a compliment."

    "Let's go as far west as Portugal."

    "Okay."


    It was really The Netherlands and Germany where rock music done in English became the going thing. Yes, of course most of them were pro-America anyway. But this is what kind of forced us to become receptive to the English language. And this was the way to do it, which is probably immediately recognizable to anyone, but this is to also show the lyrics. We're not really into the band, but we do like this song, which I think has a similar message and is musically closer to the drive we played.





    Pawlsy really liked Sir Lord Baltimore, and Alice Cooper. A little MC5. She even liked Patsy Cline. And so we couldn't argue with the Euro-American hashup of music. English-based rock continues to spread, and, it is a relatively long time before "native language" stuff returns as vogue in Europe, and what Pawlsy played could eventually dovetail into the category of folk metal. Some of those guys liked some really abrasive stuff, maybe grindcore or something like that, but that is just how we perceive what we know of other artists around us.

    That's to say, in some way, we like the entire dynamic from relatively mellow acoustic sound, through heavy distortion and screaming. It's not about what it is, so much as how you pull it off.


    Pawlsy said, "I admired Jimi Hendrix, the man who said he did not want to do it because he did not like the sound of his own voice. Hah! Can you imagine Julie Andrews doing Rock Me Baby, or Bob Dylan left to fend for his own All Along the Watchtower? Hendrix could have been far less talented as a guitar player, and those songs would still deliver, because he technically sucked, but that was the voice of somebody. You could hear the true grit like one of us."

    Fergus said, "Total opposite of most singers, who love to sing, everyone's always been telling them how good they are at it; he was more like a party crasher who happened to stick like glue."

    I said, "In America, they jeered him offstage while opening for The Monkees. They're great, talk about a made-for-tv band, I mean they were really good in that sort of middle class sitcom setting. That had its purpose. But you grow a little older and Hendrix rules. They just weren't a good pairing. Maybe Pat Travers?"

    We thought it was a huge deal for a long time. And especially post-Vietnam; I mean that is what made obvious the difference between "normal" people and their commie-obsessed government. The two views could not be farther apart. And you can't really compare it to France or even China, because, you know, we're talking about a containment policy that applies anywhere on the globe. It's not like Montana was rushing off to join Communist Canada. It's other peoples' countries that have nothing to do with America. They believe it to be their business, that is, to install this dollar-dominant predatory system.

    Music was your outlet that proved you are not alone.

    The other thing we liked was that some of it was not about anything. It would just be self-referential about the sound and energy. It made Fergus think along the lines of not thinking. We're going to be critical every time you pen something serious. Make a song about enjoying music, and it is impossible to refute.

    There was something we didn't know about that broke it. As you can imagine, it's hard to surprise us. We were surprised.

    Before that, what we mean is something like glam rock, a form of catchy noise with no meaning necessarily. For example, Sweet playing in Germany:




    Probably the most powerful one by most peoples' accounts was everywhere when this came out.





    That's not what you'd call a dirty sound. Those were the ones that motivated the band to listen to English; it stands out more. In darker pieces it doesn't matter much; but at the time, English was important in Europe for this reason.


    Pawlsy said, "There were Yugoslavian bands, but, of course, they weren't big international stars. And it was all Slavic. We'd go up north to check out the new stuff with British bands and everything. I had no idea about who was coming to us."

    Fergus said, "The first big rock star to hit Yugoslavia was Zappa 75."





    Dinky said, "When they kicked into Dirty Love, I really thought I would steal it. But then they just go on, and on, and those guys are nuts and there isn't any pretty singing involved."

    After what we've been through, it just sort of makes sense Frank Zappa would be our first concert of this nature.

    We began to feel that unless we were prepared to do this in Washington DC, then, we had probably passed the viable lifespan of the...things...we made available in America, and it tapered off. They have a lot of historical clues about us, but they won't make sense unless compared to our explanation.

    There are translations and overdubs of Pawlsy in English, that's all. It's not her voice. It might be what she said, but it's not her.


    Ariana said, "After Tito, forget it. We definitely weren't on Yugoslavia's side, but, we weren't on a side, with either the Hoxhas or nationalists that came up in Kosovo."

    Fleep said, "They all returned the same sin of minority oppression."

    Fergus said, "They ought to study the native find, which is one of the oldest artifacts."


    Quote The Runik ocarina is thought to be at least 8,000 years old.

    Genta said, "What is that? You know, so far there are no evidences of population drift until the Slavs appear. Nothing tells us that's not Illyrian.

    However, they come up with a fixation on a semi-attested Dea Dardanica of the Roman era ca. 400 B. C. E. - 300 C. E. is when she seems to be represented."






    "After they found the cave, we no longer had any kind of representational presence like from times we considered someone like Haxhi Zeka as a type of ally. It's always been sort of touchy. As you see, it was really the Partisans from having roots in the Spanish Civil War up through the 70s that we wound up working with most. After that, everything reverted to the fractures it had before."

    Fergus said, "We dropped to a medieval level and just garrisoned the relatively small number of private properties we were associated with."

    Dinky said, "Yeah, after the cave, it was all them."

    I said, "The university was mostly liberal arts developing this Albaniology. So you wind up with a bunch of highly educated people without employable skills. Then a degree is not seen as a guarantee of any future. I don't think anything ever really took off. We had peace and, I suppose, an imperfect federal system, and while we had always taught a true challenge lay in how to continuously improve this, things just went out of hand."

    Pawlsy's "homeland" was the seam between Albanian and Slavic. And that's exactly what's missing here.

    She said, "We don't have it. The closest thing is my safe houses from the nineteenth century."


    The lasting value hasn't come from any national institutions, but, just a few open doors, Garibaldi and the Inter-Parliamentary Union, and now Pawlsy's Non-Aligned Movement, which sadly lost the robust example of what we hoped would be role model countries, Ceylon and Yugoslavia. Instead, we are relegated to a personal relationship with Bhutan and its extreme reticence on modernization. Kosovo may be much closer to industrial centers, yet it is barely going much faster due to circumstances. And, actually, Bhutan to the extent that it works, is amazing.

    It's a point of view without any critical mass that would constitute a country.


    I said, "That's about the extent of how far humanity and politics have mixed.

    However, my mission was a success.

    I am able to say that by pursuing pagan routes into Buddhist Yogacara, that it does use, not exactly a supreme being, as an external producer of the physical surroundings, but more like a supreme state of being, a subjective experience, which is what you are.

    Metaphysically, this is to experience the Four Dakinis as Bringers of Awareness, and what I am saying is this is not a snap shift, it is a gradual result of removing mental habits and opening primordial senses called Gauris. I would almost use the term heatless fire if I could, because of the importance of light phenomena. At the very least, this is to move in personal experience from the Catuskoti which is based on the negation of error, to the Dakinis which are the manifestation of ultimate reality.

    That is why it is best to have a good framework, rather than something rushed and sloppy like I have done. With regards to the west and the modern world, in the 60s you already have translations by David Snellgrove, who ran right into the riddle of the Pala Empire, and then Alex Wayman at Columbia does a good job with some of the right questions, such as finding Sri Paramadya as one of the main underlying subsystems.

    And well, to give you any framework, you better be able to comprehend step one first."


    Quote Thus the Nirmana-
    cakra in the navel region stands for the element of
    earth represented by the syllable “ e ” and presided
    over by the goddess Locana, who is associated with the
    Karma-mudra.

    In this way the elements with their
    syllabic symbols and presiding deities and the associ-
    ated Mudras are located in the other three Cakras.

    "Just as we have said it will lead to Four Dakinis who are permanent, he has found the important four-fold rhythm, throughout the Dharmic fusion categories."


    Quote In the Srl-samputa we find that the four Cakras
    are associated with the four Mudras, viz., Karma-
    mudra, Dharma-mudra, Maha-mudra and Samaya-
    mudra, which are again associated with the goddesses
    Locana, Mamaki, Pandara and Tara respectively who
    again in their turn are the presiding goddesses over
    the elements (confused with the skandhas, as we have
    already seen) of earth, water, fire and air ; these are
    again represented by the syllables “ e, vara, ma and ya ”
    ( Cf . evam maya srutarn etc.).

    Again goddess Locana in the
    Nirmana-cakra represents universal compassion
    (karuna), Mamaki in the Sambhoga-cakra represents
    universal brotherhood (maitri) and concentration
    ( pranidhi ), Pandara represents self-contentment
    ( mudita ) and Tara represents absolute indifference
    (upeksa). These descriptions of the Cakras are also
    confirmed by the Hevajra-tantra, and the Hevajra-
    tantra reminds us in this connection that as the Cakras
    are four in number, all the tattvas are four. Thus four
    are the moments, viz,, vicitra, vipaka, vimarda and
    vilaksana ; four are the angas (stages in the methods
    of the Sadhana), viz., seva, upa-seva, sadhana and
    maha-sadhana, four are the noble truths ( drya-satya ),
    viz., sorrow, its cause, its suppression and the way of
    suppressing it ; four are the tattvas, viz., the tattva of
    the self ( atma-tattva ), the tattva of the Mantras
    (mantra-tattva), the tattva of the gods ( devata-tattva )
    and the tattva of knowledge (jnana- tattva) ; four are
    the anandas (states of bliss), viz., ananda, parama-
    nanda, virama-nanda, and sahaja-nanda...


    Dinky said, "I get the same Four Immeasurables I started with on day one.

    The Four Stages of Sadhana from Guhyasamaja are the same as the Six Yogas, Seva is Pratyahara and Dhyana, Upa-seva is Pranayama and Dharana, Sadhana is Smrti, and Maha-sadhana is Samadhi."

    Genta said, "Everything put together is permanent through the titanic Dakarnava Tantra.

    The Four Tattvas are Pratyahara and Dharana as taught through Vairocana Abhisambodhi and Kriya -- Charya.

    He should have listed the Moments and the Anandas side by side, since it is here the most abstruse commentarial arguments happen."

    I said, "Yes. If you really get anywhere with Pranayama, then, you are pressing the onset of the Moments and the Blisses. And so I am saying there is another very interesting and powerful level of experience, beyond the Kriya practices, and it is still not Smrti or the real Sadhana without its own training and development.

    I have those abilities naturally, from the general yoga background, but I have a lot to do in order to make it a Buddhist Sadhana."


    Dinky said, "I don't, but, I would tend to agree in a color science, pursued by the Atomists and Orphics, that I like to contrast between forms of White and Green Taras."

    Genta said, "He likes the well-preserved pieces that make a statement on their own, which makes it kind of easy to build a knowledge base."

    "Yes. Even the Theosophical Mahatmas, in trying to correlate an Orphic One Life to Buddhism, were correct in Amitayus.

    This thangka shows us a Green Tara in Lotus Family, under the Long Life Trinity that is common to most traditions, but which is really an aspect of Rasa or Nectar practices generally.

    Again, it is actually in high detail, and you can really make out her companions Marici and Ekajati."







    I said, "Thank you Dinky.

    By contrast, here are a couple more Pala stones that are actually both crowned and inscribed, but we can't quite make out the detail."










    Ariana said, "You can't say much about what is preserved in stone, but you can bear out to impeccable detail the tremendous system behind it."

    "Yes. We have covered most of its anchor points over the centuries. I think we will go on with it in a radio variety show. We are just going to be musicians and philosophical yogis with our outbursts of violence confined to the dojo."

    Fleep said, "It's not a toy. Aside from not being an actual combat, it's serious and it's really hard."

    Genta said, "We don't recommend shoot fighting or full contact to the general public. That's not what's going on here. It's some pretty serious training in how to fight, but with rules about light contact and so forth, so the risk of injury is minimal, considering that superficial cuts and bruises are not seen as all that injurious."

    Fergus said, "We can't talk about that much, but I think we can do entertainment and philosophy in a new show some day."

    I said, "We're bad people. We committed murder in France and trolled America."

    "Nobody got hurt."


    That was cold. He had such a dark, perverted sense of humor, you had to be deeply disturbed in order to get it. And, a lot of times, to get rid of Cagoule members in a way that would attract little attention, we often killed them in their sleep.

    Fleep said, "We've told everyone how we were nobodies who joined together in a certain way due to our unwavering friendship to Pawlsy the Cat.

    We pointed out how the story is different than in most external views.

    We will be back some time with our eccentric lifestyle choices; until then, we will be running around like magnets in the back of your mind."

    Ariana said, "I am the voice of insects at night."

    Dinky said, "We are tomorrow that never comes."

    Fergus said, "We are the past that never goes away."

    Genta said, "I bring you prosperity or death without judgment on my part."

    I said, "So we'll go out with something that can only be modern, let's say the irony of a band named for an album by a band named for an album."


    We had a big group hug; we wept.


    Pawlsy said, "It's time for me to say goodnight. Here's something that also came from the 60s originally as Band X that gives a heavy way of saying goodbye while we can think of the hardest part of it all.

    Vajradakini -- Upekka -- perseverance."

    Fergus said, "This begins with a Vaughan Williams march, which, if anyone can name it, they are a genius."


    Accept

    Bound to Fail




    Quote Drifting down what we passed
    It's done over and over again
    We've just been losing a part
    To be in another winning team

    We turned the tables and times
    Reject the failures for the pride
    It's a replay or a change
    Who knows when the new game starts

    What have we done
    What a deal

    We're bound to fail
    'Cause you failed before
    We're bound to fail
    'Cause you failed before

    While you have been so wrong
    We have to live by self defense
    We are mistaken by you
    There is no way we can win

    We wanna change it
    Is it true?

    We're bound to fail
    'Cause you failed before
    We're bound to fail
    'Cause you failed before

    We wanna change it
    What have we done?

    May all beings have happiness and its causes.

    May all beings have peace and its causes.

    Dedicated to all love that has been lost.

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    Applause!!!

    This is a magnificent work of scholarship from one of the forum's most gifted polymaths. The ebook will follow. (Give me maybe a week or so to figure out how to format it all optimally!)


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    Thank you.

    I was impressed by the work that was done for the cover; it fits appropriately.

    As if to celebrate, Pawlsy woke me up this morning and followed me around. She has truly been my closest companion, for many years, while we have endured what politicians call "culled and banished to the wilderness". The idea for posting a thread this way follows right out of that.

    The modern separation of Kosovo is riddled with allegations of narcoterrorism, organized crime, and high corruption, and we may do a new show and it would probably be mostly fictional to work in that milieu. I'm not sure how yet. Here we wanted to nail down some things about Europe and the United States, and there are quite a few even if you avoid saying much about the major features of the World Wars and the big and famous stuff.

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