Know the difference between "LAWFUL" and "LEGAL"?

**siggy** · 19th March 2011 14:36

Hi All

my first real post to the forum!

I'm angry, confused, worried and frustrated - good start eh!?

I started reading about the person as legal fiction / freeman movement about 6 months ago after stumbling upon John Harrison's lecture video's on youtube.
I'm now part way through Mary Croft's book after a link on this thread.
I can't believe what I've read / seen as I know in my guts that its all correct. [Angry]

I understand some of what's being said - ie. statues not being law, statutes only being applicable to the person, etc - but if I'm honest I really don't understand because I can't get my head around it all. I read & listen, superficially understand the points raised, but don't get it as a whole / in my gut; ie I can't see how to use the knowledge in a practical way. [Confused]
Am I the only one?

At the end of the day won't the PTB just raise their big sticks and beat us into submission; I keep seeing Sparticus being free but hanging from a cross along with all the other freed slaves. [worried]

I don't want to be negative, I want the tools / understanding / practical mechanisms to counter the situation but.... [frustrated]
Guess I just need to keep reading and learning.

Siggy

**Lord Sidious** · 19th March 2011 22:59

Posted by siggy (here)
Hi All

my first real post to the forum!

I'm angry, confused, worried and frustrated - good start eh!?

I started reading about the person as legal fiction / freeman movement about 6 months ago after stumbling upon John Harrison's lecture video's on youtube.
I'm now part way through Mary Croft's book after a link on this thread.
I can't believe what I've read / seen as I know in my guts that its all correct. [Angry]

I understand some of what's being said - ie. statues not being law, statutes only being applicable to the person, etc - but if I'm honest I really don't understand because I can't get my head around it all. I read & listen, superficially understand the points raised, but don't get it as a whole / in my gut; ie I can't see how to use the knowledge in a practical way. [Confused]
Am I the only one?

At the end of the day won't the PTB just raise their big sticks and beat us into submission; I keep seeing Sparticus being free but hanging from a cross along with all the other freed slaves. [worried]

I don't want to be negative, I want the tools / understanding / practical mechanisms to counter the situation but.... [frustrated]
Guess I just need to keep reading and learning.

Siggy

Where are you located at Siggy?
It may be that there are people around your area that you can study with.
Britain is starting to get going.
There are many people grouping together to cause change.
Don't despair, just try to get the basics and see where that leads you.
It should lead you to a mindset change at least.

**Ella** · 20th March 2011 07:36

Posted by siggy (here)
Hi All

my first real post to the forum!

I'm angry, confused, worried and frustrated - good start eh!?

I started reading about the person as legal fiction / freeman movement about 6 months ago after stumbling upon John Harrison's lecture video's on youtube.
I'm now part way through Mary Croft's book after a link on this thread.
I can't believe what I've read / seen as I know in my guts that its all correct. [Angry]

I understand some of what's being said - ie. statues not being law, statutes only being applicable to the person, etc - but if I'm honest I really don't understand because I can't get my head around it all. I read & listen, superficially understand the points raised, but don't get it as a whole / in my gut; ie I can't see how to use the knowledge in a practical way. [Confused]
Am I the only one?

At the end of the day won't the PTB just raise their big sticks and beat us into submission; I keep seeing Sparticus being free but hanging from a cross along with all the other freed slaves. [worried]

I don't want to be negative, I want the tools / understanding / practical mechanisms to counter the situation but.... [frustrated]
Guess I just need to keep reading and learning.

Siggy

Hi Siggy,

I understand how you feel.

Lord Sidious is right, Britain is waking up to this issue.

Finding a group to discuss with should be quite easy, I recommend www.fmotl.com, I know there is a forum there. This is the website of Veronica Chapman, who has a great book. Seems to be a very genuine and concerned person.

Hope this helps.

Ella.

**siggy** · 20th March 2011 12:06

Thanks for the replies. I've been on the www.fmotl.com before, but didn't think to seek out others in my area.

The thing I find hardest to understand is the whole money as debt explanation, and that if we sign we don't need to pay as we've already paid....
My head just can't take it in!

Siggy

**Jendayi** · 20th March 2011 12:14

Posted by siggy (here)
Thanks for the replies. I've been on the www.fmotl.com before, but didn't think to seek out others in my area.

The thing I find hardest to understand is the whole money as debt explanation, and that if we sign we don't need to pay as we've already paid....
My head just can't take it in!

Siggy

i would also like to understand this better... especially within a civil law system.. thanx!

**Lord Sidious** · 20th March 2011 13:17

I will explain this for you guys as soon as I can.

**Setras** · 20th March 2011 13:35

i too am very interested in this research......... I am in Hampshire and will start looking for groups

**Jendayi** · 20th March 2011 13:38

thanx Lord Sidious..
i have been translating mary croft's book to dutch but am stuck atm... her book is about common law and in Holland, where i live, we have Civil law.. sigh.... al these different systems and meanings... divide and conquer ey? thanx again! will be looking forward to your explanations...

**Lord Sidious** · 20th March 2011 17:25

Posted by Jendayi (here)
thanx Lord Sidious..
i have been translating mary croft's book to dutch but am stuck atm... her book is about common law and in Holland, where i live, we have Civil law.. sigh.... al these different systems and meanings... divide and conquer ey? thanx again! will be looking forward to your explanations...

In reality there is no common law or civil code, they are all run on commercial law/admiralty now.
I am going to try and figure out the easiest way to explain about signatures and prepaid accounts, but being text only, I wanna make sure it makes sense, so I might take a few days.

**Chicodoodoo** · 21st March 2011 04:57

Posted by siggy (here)
At the end of the day won't the PTB just raise their big sticks and beat us into submission

I'd say that is 100% accurate. Even if you find the loophole you need to beat the system, the system will pull out its ace-in-the-hole. It will simply cheat. You see, the PTB are above the law, as far as they are concerned. Heck, they make the law, at this point, and they change it however they damn well please. George H. W. Bush should have already been executed many times over, and he knows it, but he lives a life of freedom and luxury. Do you?

Until the people change the system, that will never change.