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    HOW TO MAKE A REPORT OF UNUSUAL ACTIVITY IN THE SKY

    The following information is an attempt to provide a model for individual investigation, suitable for use by any interested and open-minded citizen.

    All people of sound mind, sufficiently motivated to do so, have the innate capacity to answer the fundamental questions about chemtrails for themselves. There is no need to take someone else s word for any of this. In fact, in a world of second-hand and derivative information, the best action we can take is to use our own mental powers and direct perceptions in pursuit of the basic truth. Because there is no great difficulty in satisfying a reasonably rigorous mind as to the presence of something very strange in our skies.

    There is a relatively simple method to prove the existence of chemtrails overhead in your own area, as opposed to normal contrails. This do-it-yourself proof only takes time, patience, and normal powers of observation. The following outline will attempt to describe an optimum generic situation in order to make this experiment available to as many people as possible.

    The first step requires establishing a minimum familiarity with routine airplane traffic in your location. This is a matter of public record, but it is much easier to see for yourself just by watching and recording the times and directions of scheduled air traffic. At regular times the flights to and from various locations from Companies A, B and C fly along their normal flight paths above you. These times and flight paths do not vary much in normal circumstances and are easily observed day after day, week after week, at approximately the same time, position, and altitude. Especially away from major urban centers, there is a fairly easily observable pattern to normal fight traffic in one s area, even considering the variations and changes now and again. If you live where contrails are a normal occurrence in the atmosphere, then also look carefully over a period of time at how long they tend to last under differing weather conditions, at different times. Keeping notes of personal observations from the beginning will be very useful in establishing the ordinary daily picture overhead in your own area.

    Normal air traffic is of course obliged by law to follow normal flight regulations. This means that each plane must keep a considerable distance from all others, in its own generously allotted airspace. Even without consciously thinking about this, we all have unconsciously registered the usual distances planes keep from others in our local skies. If you don t live near a large airport, then this will be especially obvious. The first easy step towards proving to yourself and others that chemtrails actually exist will present itself when three or four or more planes fly back and forth close together across the sky.

    No normal air traffic ever does any such thing as fly in close formation, turn, and fly back together over the same airspace. Even if you are not able to watch them turn together, you will be able to see the unusual closeness of these formations of aircraft without any trouble. A good pair of binoculars will reveal that the common type of white chemtrail planes have no company logos or any other identifying markings. Their close proximity to one another violates all commercial FAA regulations as well. These are important facts and proof positive that this isn't regular commercial traffic. You now know you are at the very least looking at military flights. An additional proof that these are military planes (although none is needed) is that the flight formation, in the time and space you are noting, will not appear in normal FAA flight records. The FAA does not record military traffic, and will be happy to tell you so.

    The next step is to watch for the eye-catching phenomena of the unusual patterns and unusual qualities of trails accompanying such a formation. If you look up in the sky and see several grids and X s forming from this close group of unmarked planes, where normally such patterns do not exist, then here is the chance to build your own proof that chemtrails do exist. If you have been watching the regular flights overhead, then you know that these formations are anomalous. These are not Companies A, B, and C flying their usual routes in their usual ways. And now is the chance to prove to your own satisfaction that these military planes are also discharging something other than jet fuel. Over time, as you have been noting the regularity of commercial air traffic in your local airspace, you will also have been observing the behavior of emissions from normal commercial air traffic. The contrails from these will usually appear to be normal contrails, dissipating in the normal time and manner for the circumstances. By now you will have also established what kind of linear patterns in the atmosphere normal contrails leave, as dictated by the air space commercial traffic must maintain between planes at all times.

    Under the very same weather and altitude conditions in which you have been seeing normal commercial traffic emissions produce whatever kind of contrail is normal for your locality, you will most likely now see something else entirely. It is almost always possible to directly observe that these unmarked planes flying in close formation are leaving a very different kind of trail. First of all, as stated, the trails being left are usually in odd checkerboard, grid, X s, stripes, or even circles. This is very distinctly abnormal compared to what you will see resulting from normal airline traffic. Secondly, only these military planes are leaving trails that do not dissipate, as the others do under the very same weather and altitude conditions. Instead, they very slowly spread out over the sky and join together, forming a distinct cloudy haze. This again is easily provable by simple observation. All you have to do is watch this happen over a period of a few hours at the most, and often within a much shorter time span. The standard explanation of ice crystals and contrail formations self-destructs here right before your eyes. Because under the conditions in which we have observed chemtrails, all the other air traffic in the vicinity at the time, at approximately the same altitudes, are leaving normal contrails. These normal contrails are definitely not spreading out and coalescing into a thick hazy "cloud" cover.

    Therefore by means of simple patient direct perception of these two distinct types of trails occurring nearly simultaneously, you can see for yourself that a highly sophisticated disinformation campaign is being waged around this issue. There has been a military operation dispersing aerosols of unknown origins, for unknown reasons, throughout our atmosphere for the last couple of years. Whatever these aerosols are, and whatever their purpose is, they are at the very least in direct violation of the law of informed consent and the EPA s own laws of atmospheric discharges.

    Much confusion arises due to not taking the time to observe carefully the slow unfolding of the phenomena of chemtrails overhead, as compared to normal contrail formations in the immediate vicinity. We need to take the time first and foremost to establish the image in our minds of what normal contrails actually look like it our own locations. It is not possible to go out and look at the sky every once in a while and try to guess from scratch what we are looking at, with no familiarity with local conditions, weather and routine flight paths. Once we consciously recognize the standard for normal , then we will instantly recognize these anomalies and be able to closely follow how chemtrails unfold in our skies. Extensive research indicates clearly that the military has many reasons for drastically altering the chemistry of our atmosphere at this time. It is to be hoped therefore that rather than dismiss this issue, or leave it to others to investigate the truth of all this, that citizens of our country assume the responsibility for judging for themselves what is happening behind our backs and above our heads.

    For the largest collection of detailed and general information on all important aspects of this phenomena, the following website is recommended: http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

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    CHEMTRAILS OVER BYRON BAY - LETTER TO THE EDITOR OF ECHO NEWSPAPER

    Observation
    On the 22 of November, 2009 I was sitting on the second level balcony atthe Lennox Head Hotel on the eastcoast of Northern NSW, Australia
    overlooking the Pacic Ocean at approximately 11:00 am when Ilooked south toward the headland and saw a strange aeroplane flying
    quite low, straight out to sea. It was a large and unusual plane, not like any I had seen before in Australia,certainly not the same style jet as theinternational and domestic jets wesee here. This one looked obviously different, probably the only reason Ihad noticed it.The observed plane had a long bodyfrom tip to wing and a short wingspan, white with a blue tail. As the plane flew out to sea it made an
    ascending hook turn back towards the land, climbing high as it continued its path. I noticed the plane head north up the coast towards Byron Bay, I also noticed chemtrails in the sky above,and they had been spraying the area all morning. It was a busy weekendin Byron Bay at that time of the year,people were everywhere .As I sat watching this plane I did no tmake the connection between it and the chemtrails that had been occurring all morning. Approximately 10 to 15minutes later my eyes caught sight of another plane, same style, same trajectory, and same flight path.

    Chemtrails Closing the loop
    We have dangerous levels of aluminium in the rain and soil that should no tbe there. Where does the aluminium come from? Where do these planes takeoff? Who is behind it all? This report is the result of my own observations and research into the global chemtrail phenomenon and is a theory inspired by independent researchers and flm makers who have dedicated their time and energy into exposing this horrible crime against the Earth and humanity. I hopethis report can add an important piece to the puzzle

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    FRED - Nowhere did I say that commercial planes are spraying chemtrails. Obviously these planes are coming from -

    a) military bases
    b) underground bases and are possibly refueling in the air.

    The type of dives some of planes are doing, the circles, criss cross patterns, it is obviously some sort of plane that is capable of such feats. A commercial airliner cannot behave in this manner with passengers on board. Unlikely. This is some sort of nefarious miliary campaign. Many of the planes are unmarked, like we see black helicopters, unmarked. Who are they?

    CHEMTRAIL CONSPIRACY APPARATUS since 1975
    The Chemtrail/Contrail process is registered and Patented.
    The USA Navy under the UN and NATO treaty conned our Government for 35 years with a pack of lies to let them covertly poison our air we breathe and the water we drink.

    We have been lied to, and we are being poisoned.

    WITH CHEMTRAILS CRISS-CROSSING THE SKY DUMPING LINES OF HEAVY METALS NOW PROVEN TO BE IN OUR DRINKING WATER - THERE'S STILL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE NWO JARGON THAT ITS A CONSPIRACY: "MAYBE THIS WILL HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND.

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    Quote QUOTE=loveandgratitude;193638]FRED - It is amazing, all these millilons and millions of people who have stepped up and produced documentation, evidence, proof, documentaries, videos, reports, government secret files, wirtten to the congress, newspapers, councils worldwide and we are all lying. Professional people from all walks in life stepping up
    You haven’t produced any evidence at all. What you have produced can very easily be explained but you won’t accept it. You seem to think that every aircraft that passes overhead is chemtrailing.So I have asked you repeatedly where is the evidence, which airlines, what is the delivery system? Where are these chemicals stored?


    Quote You are one voice against millions of people who step up, named themselves, put their own families in danger and themselvesin danger to save the public, help the public become informed and then there is YOU
    You say I am a voice against millions, I think you will find that the majority of the public would find your views interesting.


    Quote I ask you now to produce documents, show facts, give evidence if no PUT UP OR SHUT UP. There is only your word for your evidence.
    I have posted to you all day how contrails are formed but you refuse to accept what is fact.

    It’s not what I think; I’m only quoting from established science. At the end of the day this research on all this was done by scientist’s meteorologists and engineers probably around fifty years ago. It’s served mankind all these years but you for reasons only known to yourself, doesn’t accept these findings. How strange.

    We dealt with this in post #89 I’ve copied it here again for your consideration.

    Atmosphere & Relative Humidity.


    A colder atmosphere and a higher relative humidity will cause contrails to form.

    A warmer atmosphere and lower relative humidity will cause contrails to dissipate or not form at all.

    Therefore in general above 25,000 feet where the temperature is -35C or less provided relative humidity is high contrails will form.

    The lower atmosphere or stratosphere is changing all the time and is influenced mainly by the weather systems, polar fronts, and upper winds. This change explains why some days you think they are chemtrailing and other days they aren't chemtrailing.


    Wickileaks here more or less say the same thing but in a more detailed format.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ard_Atmosphere

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity

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    Quote OVE IT. You have not given ONE PIECE OF RESEARCH, PROOF against all the thousands of credible witness, documents and information we have given you.
    You say you have provided thousands of documents and videos but with respect much of this is nonsense. You refuse to accept this.

    I have previously pointed out that everything about this video is 100% true however the voiceover is 100% false. This aircraft is a Gulfstream 1 atmospheric research aircraft. However it would seem that you seem to think this is used for Chemtrailing probably because either you don’t know, or because it has various tubes protruding from the fuselage. These tubes are for measuring static and dynamic pressure under Bernoulli’s theorem. That is what they are. However you say no they are used to blow chemicals into the atmosphere. Im sorry but on this occasion you are wrong. This is an atmospheric research aircraft. I pointed this out yesterday, you choose to ignore it.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle



    Quote I AM DONE HERE. I AM GOING TO START A NEW THREAD WHERE DE-BUNKERS ARE NOT WELCOMED. IF YOU WANT TO START YOUR OWN THREAD BY ALL MEANS DO SO. I AM SO TIRED OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU SPREADING LIES AND DECEIT. YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS ON THE DAY, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED, PREPROGRAMMED OR JUST A PLAIN OLD DE-BUNKER WORKING FOR THE DARK SIDE. WHAT EVER YOU ARE, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. WE WANT EVIDENCE

    Why am I a de-bunker? I am not spreading lies and deceit, I am telling the truth, the problem is you dont know the truth.

    So now I’m brainwashed, preprogrammed an old debunker and working for the dark side according to you. No Im telling the truth.

    Earlier today I received a PM from a friend about Earthquakes and he wanted my views. I don’t know anything about Earthquakes or Geology, so I don’t post on earthquakes. However what I have done is spent a lifetime in the aviation industry and so I’m only pointing out the error of your ways.

    Now, I have a question for you. Allegedly according to you commercial aircraft are chemtrailing. Please provide the evidence that supports this.

    Would it be possible to answer post #117

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    Aircraft Mechanic Discusses Chemtrail Spray Equipment
    Aboard Commercial Aircraft


    I believe it is the military but then I found this post I though you might find interesting -

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chems...s17apr05.shtml

    Excerpted from http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm

    I received the following email on the 18th of April as it was forwarded to me from someone who may have answered several questions I have had about the incorporation of the civilian air fleet into a portion of this atmospheric project.

    My questions have been: The weight and volume of the chemical mixture delivered while in flight including the delivery mechanism? How much of a financial burden is it to carry this extra weight aloft with each flight? How is the plumbing kept 'hidden' from the many mechanics. Who does and how are the tanks refilled? Read on:

    Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?

    SIPL | April 17 2005

    For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

    I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important. First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

    Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".

    Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

    No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.

    The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

    Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

    Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

    One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.

    When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.

    As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

    As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

    The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

    The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.

    Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.

    I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

    The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.

    When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

    I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

    If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.

    I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

    It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

    The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

    About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.

    He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.

    The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

    We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.

    The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

    I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.

    Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.

    The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

    That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.

    I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.

    That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

    Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

    While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

    The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.

    They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

    God help us all.

    -- A concerned citizen

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    Chemtrail Pod Is Simple Aerial Refueling Drogue

    About The 'Chemtrail' Plane

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    By Ted Twietmeyer
    5-13-8

    I'd like to point out a few facts regarding the chemtrail plane photos.

    Contrary to what some apparently think this article was not intended to be disinformation. That would be a pointless waste of time. It has always been my policy to research subjects I write about before writing about them. Many subjects have little information available, but this does not mean that nothing should be said. Although there are thousands of photos of trails in the sky, there is a large absence of photos of the actual aircraft. It is quite possible that some of the aircraft doing the spraying may look like any other aircraft when on the ground.

    The person who sent me the images is a pilot and does not want his name divulged as I've stated before. Since access to all airports and tarmacs since 2001 is now highly restricted, no one can simply walk up to a plane and take photos. The pilot had to have clearance to be on the tarmac at ground level to take these photos. There was no fence between him and the plane.

    The fact that the plane has a Bretagne tail emblem from France and was photographed in Quebec, Canada is strange in itself. Why would a tiny principality inFrance go to the trouble of flying a tanker plane to North America? Fuel to operate one of these planes is extremely expensive. And the Canadian government has its own tankers.

    I should have spoken to a retired USAF friend of mine about first before writing about it. I was finally able to reach him late today (5/13/08) and he did iterate that there are retractable drogue fuel lines that extend from the pods for refueling fighter planes. The rigid boom is for refueling bigger aircraft, such as the B-52.

    It is still unknown why a propeller would be mounted on the front of the pod to generate electricity or power a hydraulic pump. The pod is controlled by switches in the cockpit of the plane, and there should be no problem using aircraft power unless the propeller is a back-up power source. However, all large aircraft already have backup power within them. Large aircraft power has been 400Hz AC since WW2. The higher frequency of 400Hz requires less iron in motors and transformers and saves weight, instead of the AC power line 50 or 60Hz. Boeing's commercial aircraft have used 400Hz power as well. Inside some planes sitting on the Tarmac at an airport, you can hear a 400Hz. tone in the cabin.

    Finally, there is the funnel-shaped cone ("B" in Fig. 4) which terminates with a rear-ward protruding tube visible in the center of the engine exhaust. [1] Patent #5,791,138 discusses prior art which uses core engine air mixed with exhaust air for the purpose of noise reduction. More information on this can be viewed at [2]. However, this tube could also be used to inject biological or chemtrail agents into the exhaust stream. Since contrails form at some distance behind an aircraft, pilots may not even be aware that an aerosol is being sprayed. (This could well be the smoking gun, except it's a gun that no one has seen in action.)

    To conclude, there are a number of unanswered questions with this aircraft. I apologize for any misunderstanding the photographs may have caused. Perhaps one day we'll have ALL the answers, but I won't count on it.

    Ted Twietmeyer
    www.data4science.net
    [1] - http://www.rense.com/general81/ddthr.htm
    [2] - http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/57...scription.html


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    Howard Ratcliffe
    5-12-8

    The picture is a refueling pod. Propeller powers the fuel pump for the drogue style receptacle. Many A/C still use this type "Drogue and Probe" method. Careful with this guy!


    Anton Fouche
    5-12-8

    Hello

    You may find the photo you have is of an Air to air refueling rig. The thing in the tail of the pod is a collapsible basket which is spun out for a refueling probe to be flown into. The propeller is indeed a pump.

    Keep up the good work
    Anton


    Jeff,

    Your "chemtrail' dispensing picture is nothing more than an air-to-air refueling pod assemble, as used by the air forces of europe and the U.S. Navy and Marine aircraft.

    Glenn

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    Here is the original story by Ted Twietmeyer...


    Recently, a pilot sent www.data4science.net several images of a plane which is clearly rigged for aerial chemtrail or biological spraying taxiing on the ground at an airport in Canada. After studying and researching the plane images and origin, I feel they are authentic. Why do I suggest the plane might be used for biological spraying? Previously released photos of acknowledged experimental spray planes built for NASA had massive concentric rings mounted on the rear tail of the plane.

    I will uphold the pilot's desire for privacy and withhold the name. Based on information provided, here is the exact location of the chemtrail plane at the time
    the photographs were taken -


    LOCATION OF PLANE



    Fig. 1 ­ Location of airport in Quebec, Canada (Google maps)



    Fig. 2 ­ Airport location close-up (Google maps)




    Fig. 3 ­ Chemtrail plane taxiing





    Fig. 4 ­ Enlarged image of spraying pod mounted under port-side wing. Pod is painted to somewhat match the engine color on the plane. However, note pod mounting strut doesn't match the underside wing color. Note the number "2" on the pod. The starboard side wing is most likely pod #1. I have added the letters to identify key parts of the image which are referenced below.


    Legend:

    A - Propeller on the front of the pod drives an internal generator or pump. Based on the shadows under the plane, we can determine this image was made sometime around mid-day.

    B - Funnel-cone with an exit port mounted on center of engine exhaust for additional spraying capability. Exhaust that exits here may not necessarily be superheated air, as most of today's engines are high-bypass designs for maximum thrust and efficiency. The engine could have been designed to have a fresh-air channel running straight down the center. This would be important when spraying biological agents in order not to destroy them.

    C - Semi-circle black lines along the bottom are probably air intake screens. Being on the underside of the pod, they would be exposed to the high pressure flow of air under the wing.

    D ­ Afterbirth: Curve of pod mounting strut almost matches that of the plane's wing, but is not quite perfect. No aircraft manufacturer would ever release a plane with the large gap in the mount that we see here. This pod was clearly manufactured by a third party.





    Fig. 5 ­ Spray pod exit port, brightness enhanced since it was in the shadow of the sun. The brush-like object would provide the maximum surface area to create an aerosol. Note the dark baffle which will restrict airflow completely through the aerosol device.





    Fig. 6 ­ Emblem for French Air Squadron [1]




    Fig. 7 ­ Tail emblem


    A logo was found on the tail of the plane. The closest image of a flag to this logo is a tiny, obscure government called Bretagne. All images found on the web for this flag are in black and white:





    Fig. 8 ­ Flag of Bretagne. Objects in the upper left corner of this flag are also found in the plane's tail emblem





    Fig. 9 ­ Location of Bretagne in France



    CONCLUSION
    From my research I feel this is an authentic photo. It also raises some interesting questions ­ what is a plane from a French air squadron doing in North America?
    Has it been spraying over the Atlanticor over North America? Could it be that those behind the global aerial spraying are using small countries or governments for their work? If so, this provides an important place to look for the origin of these planes.

    It also clearly explains how a two engine plane can create four chemtrails. As far as I know, clear photos like these are a first in this area. No one can any longer call this a "conspiracy theory."

    Ted Twietmeyer
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    [1] - http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/wo...nce/cazaux.htm

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    TWO PLANES ALMOST CRASH WHILE SPRAYING CHEMTRAILS


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    Quote QUOTE=loveandgratitude;193676]FRED - Nowhere did I say that commercial planes are spraying chemtrails. Obviously these planes are coming from
    Oh… what about all the evidence you were sending me.

    Anyway Im glad you now agree that commercial aircraft are NOT spraying chemicals.

    So can we agree then that these are contrails in the upper atmosphere?



    Quote a) military bases
    b) underground bases and are possibly refueling in the air

    Yes aircraft may come from military bases, but underground bases no I don’t think so, not in Australia. Why would they need to refuel in the air? You make it sound like an everyday thing that happens?

    Quote The type of dives some of planes are doing, the circles, criss cross patterns, it is obviously some sort of plane that is capable of such feats. A commercial airliner cannot behave in this manner with passengers on board. Unlikely. This is some sort of nefarious miliary campaign. Many of the planes are unmarked, like we see black helicopters, unmarked. Who are they?

    I think these may be crop spraying aircraft perhaps? You say your town has a population of 5,000, why would they want to chemtrail you? Are you sure they are not spraying the fields and you just think they are spraying you. Maybe they are turning over your town?


    Quote CHEMTRAIL CONSPIRACY APPARATUS since 1975
    The Chemtrail/Contrail process is registered and Patented.
    The USA Navy under the UN and NATO treaty conned our Government for 35 years with a pack of lies to let them covertly poison our air we breathe and the water we drink

    I think this is a very wild statement.

    Quote We have been lied to, and we are being poisoned.

    WITH CHEMTRAILS CRISS-CROSSING THE SKY DUMPING LINES OF HEAVY METALS NOW PROVEN TO BE IN OUR DRINKING WATER - THERE'S STILL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE NWO JARGON THAT ITS A CONSPIRACY: "MAYBE THIS WILL HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND

    What about locating to another town?

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    Planes you've never seen before

    FRED, this is some light comic relief for all of us. I hope you enjoy


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    Quote Posted by loveandgratitude (here)
    TWO PLANES ALMOST CRASH WHILE SPRAYING CHEMTRAILS

    I thought you just agreed that they were not spraying chemicals.

    QUOTE=loveandgratitude;193676]FRED - Nowhere did I say that commercial planes are spraying chemtrails.

    I think you should have the weekend off.

    Don’t worry they are not going to crash, separation will be at least 2,000 feet.

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    Are these commercial planes????? I said commercial. Fred I wonder if you understand what this Forum is about. Have you seen some of the Project Avalon/Camelot videos. I am curious, what do you thiink about space portals, travelling to Mars, time travel???? I know this is off topic but I just wanted to take this opportunity to ask you this. Do you believe in UFO's, alien beings, time travel, space portals?????? Do you believe in spiritual evollution, inter planetry beings???
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    fred you have been provided with reams of evidence, with eye witness reports, yet you still maintain you are right. ok for you, you are right. go watch x factor there is nothing to see here. loveandgratitude thank you for all your efforts. I know what i see every day and its not contrails.

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    USA official Congress Document

    Bill Text
    107th Congress (2001-2002)
    H.R.2977.IH

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.2977.IH:

    SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

    In this Act:

    (1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

    (2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

    (i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

    (I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

    (II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

    (III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

    (IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

    (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

    (I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);

    (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

    (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

    (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

    (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

    (ii) chemtrails;

    (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

    (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

    (v) laser weapons systems;

    (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

    (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

    (C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.
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    Official UK House of Commons document

    http://www.publications.parliament.u.../22106.htm#a14



    The Loop hole.

    Dr Blackstock pointed out that for SRM "we do not have the appropriate regulatory mechanisms in place, and I do not believe we have even a forum in which that discussion has begun to occur".[82]

    40. The Government appeared to share this view. It told us that geoengineering was an emerging policy area and there "were at present no international treaties or institutions with sufficient mandate to regulate the broad range of possible geoengineering activities" and that, while regulation of some of the technologies might be feasible by employing or amending existing treaties and protocols of international law, others—such as atmosphere and space-based methods—"may require new international mechanisms".[83] We conclude that there is a gap in the regulatory framework for geoengineering techniques, especially for SRM techniques.

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    I just now noticed the links I gave in comment 19 didn't work anymore.
    I will re-post these links 'observer' provided in the former thread :
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...s-and-747s-Too



    this interview explains HOW the military gets patriotic airmen to participate in this program:

    ***
    FULL INTERVIEW -

    Insider reveals shocking details behind aerosol spraying program.

    Ex-Government Employee Talking about
    CHEMTRAILS
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    Part 1 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...CHEMTRAILS_1_5
    Part 2 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_2_5/
    Part 3 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_3_5/
    Part 4 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_4_5/
    Part 5 : http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...HEMTRAILS_5_5/

    If you are the impatient type and want to get right to the issue, click-on Part 3, however, I would highly recommended listening to the entire interview.

    ***
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    Military Said Behind Up To Four Different Chemtrail Programs
    By Mike Blair

    The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the Earth, including ultra-violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the Earth. In the event of global warming, this, it is hoped, could lower temperatures on the surface of the Earth and block ultra-violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol being sprayed in this case is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties, and is the only one of the government programs that does not use the barium mixtures.
    (read more.... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

    The second and most secret project is the Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) program, which is a system encompassing a group of computer programs. One of its supporting subprograms is know as Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation or VTRPE. This is a computer radio frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the terrain of a battlefield in three dimensions on a television-type screen.
    (read more..... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

    The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere and involves weather control. It is a project of the AIR Force and utilizes concepts of radio frequency radiation, developed originally by legendary scientist Nikola Tesla, against the ionosphere above the Earth. Known as the so-called HAARP project, it is manipulating life-support systems in the environment, testing and altering them for military advantage.
    (read more....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

    The fourth atmospheric project is being run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) as a means to detect and decontaminate enemy biological attacks. The program also utilizes a mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol, along with special polymer fibers. The combination allows detection of biological agents. Some biological agents have actually been released into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems. It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that may be directly or indirectly responsible for unexplained nose bleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory ailments and arthritis-like systems.
    (read more.....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

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    Quote Posted by heyokah (here)
    Military Said Behind Up To Four Different Chemtrail Programs
    By Mike Blair

    The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the Earth, including ultra-violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the Earth. In the event of global warming, this, it is hoped, could lower temperatures on the surface of the Earth and block ultra-violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol being sprayed in this case is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties, and is the only one of the government programs that does not use the barium mixtures.
    (read more.... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

    The second and most secret project is the Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) program, which is a system encompassing a group of computer programs. One of its supporting subprograms is know as Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation or VTRPE. This is a computer radio frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the terrain of a battlefield in three dimensions on a television-type screen.
    (read more..... http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

    The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere and involves weather control. It is a project of the AIR Force and utilizes concepts of radio frequency radiation, developed originally by legendary scientist Nikola Tesla, against the ionosphere above the Earth. Known as the so-called HAARP project, it is manipulating life-support systems in the environment, testing and altering them for military advantage.
    (read more....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )

    The fourth atmospheric project is being run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) as a means to detect and decontaminate enemy biological attacks. The program also utilizes a mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol, along with special polymer fibers. The combination allows detection of biological agents. Some biological agents have actually been released into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems. It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that may be directly or indirectly responsible for unexplained nose bleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory ailments and arthritis-like systems.
    (read more.....http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm )
    I'd like to add that IF a kind of light based signal was detected that MAY synchronise or harmonise/speak to our dna, it might be possible to block such a signal with atmospheric blocking/reflecting protocols.

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    Quote Posted by Fred259 (here)
    OK, I understand your point of view. Can I first just say Im not trying to de bunk anything I’m only interested in finding the truth. I have been flying for nearly 27 years and I can tell you that no one else in the aviation industry has these views, that dosnt mean to say they are right but I’m very interested in yours and why you should think this way.
    Fred259, are you sure that you are only interested in the truth or your truth?

    It is quite obvious that other people and pilots in your industry share the views of the majority on this thread. There are whistle blowers and former high-ranking officials who have become very involved in this issue and have put their lives, their reputations and their safety on the line.
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    Part one of a three part article on the war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide now taking place on our earth.

    Alfred Lambremont Webre interviews Clifford E. Carnicom. Both the transcript and the interview video are at this site. Plus, the Parts 2 and 3 of this article.

    Lots of reading.



    Expert: Chemtrails are Global Covert Operation for Total Control, Detecting UFOs

    Alfred Lambremont Webre, Seattle Exopolitics Examiner, February 28th, 2011

    Clifford E. Carnicom, an acknowledged expert since 1999 on the global covert spraying of aerosols into the atmosphere operation (also known as “Chemtrails”), stated in an exclusive ExopoliticsTV interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre released March 1, 2011 that the covert aerosol-spraying operation had transformed the Earth’s atmosphere into a plasma for carrying out weaponized applications such as bio-warfare (including Morgellons disease), electromagnetic operations such as HAARP, weather warfare, tectonic (earthquake) warfare, mind control, advanced surveillance technology, and detection of advanced propulsion technology including UFOs.

    Seven weapons applications of sprayed aerosols

    In the ExopoliticsTV interview, Mr. Carnicom details seven weapons applications of the covert global sprayed aerosols program that are being used to carry out over-all the goal of “absolute control” over the global human population.

    These seven weapons applications of the sprayed aerosols are:

    1. Biological operations, including the use of apparent bio-warfare, such as Morgellons disease, in the sprayed aerosols, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

    2. Military Operations, such as advanced radar applications, anti-missile Star Wars applications.

    3. Electromagnetic Operations, including HAARP directed energy scalar weapons and mind control weapons applications, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

    4. Environmental modification and weather wars. Mr. Carnicom stated he has concluded that the covert aerosol-spraying program has transformed the atmosphere of the planet into plasma capable of sustaining weaponized applications since its acceleration in 1999. This constitutes a violation of the 1978 Treaty against Modification of the Environment.

    5. Geophysical operations, including tectonic (earthquake) warfare, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

    6. An advanced surveillance system capable of covert surveillance of the entire human population.

    7. Detection of exotic propulsion systems, including detection of off-planet or interdimensional UFOs.


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