Incarnation, choice and the TPTB

[Hervé]

Posted by fox.mulder (here)
If we are eternal beings that continually incarnate AND this world is ruled by evil control freak types, then why do we keep incarnating here?

The best way I ever found how to evaluate a question is this other one:

Is the answer to the question worth knowing?

AFAIAC, the answer to Fox's question is about the primary one worth knowing. By that I mean the actual reality of it; not excuses, cope outs, vacuum fillings or justifications. There's only an infinitesimal number of individuals who consciously decided to come down here and have a look at what's going on. The vast majority keeps bouncing off religions, philosophies or "secret knowledge" and a promise of a better after-life in most cases.

Well, is that true?

If one applies the "as below, so above" and corollary to the state of this planet and the psychos who managed to take the control of... I don't think it's any different "above." The "prison planet" and the recycling of souls -- not to mention the "harvest" -- might be quite too real especially on the account of this being an "experiment" whether one follows Bob Dean, Alex Collier or "Charles."

For an idea and account of the "recycling" of souls, one would need to read this guy's disturbing experience:

http://web.archive.org/web/201102081...xrevealed.com/

Where he explains how the programming of a planet takes place... this may be too real and disturbing for some.

[fox.mulder]

AFAIAC, the answer to Fox's question is about the primary one worth knowing. By that I mean the actual reality of it; not excuses, cope outs, vacuum fillings or justifications. There's only an infinitesimal number of individuals who consciously decided to come down here and have a look at what's going on. The vast majority keeps bouncing off religions, philosophies or "secret knowledge" and a promise of a better after-life in most cases.

Well, is that true?

If one applies the "as below, so above" and corollary to the state of this planet and the psychos who managed to take the control of... I don't think it's any different "above." The "prison planet" and the recycling of souls -- not to mention the "harvest" -- might be quite too real especially on the account of this being an "experiment" whether one follows Bob Dean, Alex Collier or "Charles."

For an idea and account of the "recycling" of souls, one would need to read this guy's disturbing experience:

http://www.matrixrevealed.com/

Where he explains how the programming of a planet takes place... this may be too real and disturbing for some.

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I shall indeed read this.


Thanks for all the replies everyone.

[Feren]

Hello everyone: peace and love upon all of you.
I'd like to share my point of view about this issue. Nonetheless, I'm skeptical about the posibility of having a full answer to these questions but from a personal experience.
Most of waht I've read about (re)incarnation is from The Spirits' Book by Allan Kardec. This is by far the most interesting, coherent and complete acount of (re)incarnation I've known of.
I believe that we are here to evolve, to get to the next level of awareness. I believe there is awareness and ignorance, and this is what good and evil means. Aristotle, like 2500 years ago, thought that true knowledge is the knowledge of the good. He just did not see that good is not to be "known" but to be enhanced or, if you will, achieved. There is no absolut awareness from the human point of view, but there is neither absolut ignorance. Thus, there is no absolut good or evil. But might there be a God, an absolut consciousness beyond any perspective, who knows... but it wouldn't make a difference for me.
The very meaning of life is struggle for growth, this is expansion of consciousness.
I find it very hard to explain, but I hope it helps you think about these questions as much as most of your posts have helped me.

[siggy]

Posted by Mr54 (here)
A question that arises for me that I have never seen addressed is that, I remember reading somewhere that there are now more people living than have lived in all of history. Now obviously this is going by the accepted official history but it does ask the question of where did all of the extra souls come from if reincarnation is the reality.

From the searching I've done to date I think this question has been addressed by many. For me its best expressed by the eastern philosophies & religions (which is where my interest in this area began) where some say that we are all one. My understanding of this being that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself (I sound like Bill Hicks ) - so there is just one soul reincarnating into different existences in order to experience / learn / know all.

In quantum physics terms (multi-universe) with each choice / decision 2 universes spring into existence (so maybe this is you / me, him / her, etc) which could perhaps account for the increasing number of people on the planet!?!?

I'm still trying to decide if this means that the one consciousness is finding peace & enlightenment from this process, or is going insane!

Siggy

[dmarie]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

http://www.matrixrevealed.com/

This looks like a great page, Amzer Zo. I have been lead to this information of recycling, harvest, etc. though I have yet to see this site. I look forward to exploring more.

One thing I noticed on the page is where it states:

"However, these beings are not infallible. Past life research is the key that unlocks the door to the Extra-Terrestrial Conspiracy and demonstrates that we are all incredible spiritual beings. Past life memory retrieval, properly done on an individual basis, can free us from the machinations of these beings and offers hope for a new world of peace and understanding."

Past life memories need to be questioned as well as these too have been said to be tampered with.... which only makes sense if the rest is true.

As I mentioned in an earlier post that Lisa Renee discusses this topic ....research her on Youtube if you are interested. Also, Jessica Schab (Jessica Mystic) who was interviewed by Kerry has videos on this subject. I believe this series of hers has "Illuminati" in the subject title. Another one is Maggador. He has a great write-up called "THE TRAP SYSTEM - SECRETS NEVER BEFORE REVEALED: WHY YOU ARE IMPRISONED IN PHYSICAL BODY, REPTILIANS, HIGHER SOUL, CREATION OF OUR EXISTENCE."

"The famous "light" at death seem to be part of the trap system. There is no need to enter any light to go anywhere. When you die, simply tell yourself you want to experience your true spiritual essence, your real higher self. Tell yourself you want to merge with the Source, or experience the true God above all Gods. The loved ones are always with you as they are all part of you and All, so yes you can always reunion with them for a while on lower astral planes where you still find yourself experiencing individuality."

You can read more here: http://www.pleiadiantalk.com/2011/04/trap-system-secrets-never-before.html

I'm trying to recall a good video I just recently viewed ...I'll post it if I find it.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Posted by fox.mulder (here)
If we are eternal beings that continually incarnate AND this world is ruled by evil control freak types, then why do we keep incarnating here?

If we just stop incarnating here, there will be no people left for the TPTB to control. Wouldn't this solve the problem?

Would love some opinions.

'The Truth Is (hopefully) Out There

Yes, if we'd stop incarnating I believe it would solve the problem. HOWEVER, even in death, we are still confined to this Matrix and the thinking of same. So, we are convinced that if we come back we will elevate our souls by learning more lessons. We are also enticed as we are shown potential lives where we can now become that violinist will always wanted to be or whatever. (refer to Michael Newton's books. "Journey of Souls" is one)

Look at all the fear around death. We might go to Hell and burn or spend many years in Purgatory. Judgment Day!

Look at all the beliefs around suicide: All negative. (i.e. we will just have to repeat this life again that we ended, or God will be angry that we didn't honor this wonderful experience we were allowed to have.)

On the one hand we are told we are all wise, knowing beings. On the other we are told we must come into this world to learn lessons. Hmm, why would all wise, knowing beings need to learn lessons.

I believe we have been tricked at many levels. As above, so below. However, there is an above which is above what the Matrix has kept us locked into even in death. You can find it by coming back, but you can find it more easily by not - but one must be strong enough to resist all the programming.

[58andfixed]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

The best way I ever found how to evaluate a question is this other one:

Is the answer to the question worth knowing?

Nice One Amzer Zo !

Sometimes the answer to a good question is a better question.

- 58

[Black Panther]

I've seen a presentation from Johan Oldenkamp, a dutch guy, who believes our souls choose to reïncarnate in a family with parents/ brothers / sisters who are very sleepy. So you'll have a very hard time when you are sleeping yourself and when you wake up you'll have another hard time, because they are still not listening to you. The lesson to learn is to wake up family / friends without getting . And that's really difficult like we all know. You have all the answers, but they don't listen!! Like my parents: they both have had cancer and they still believe in the world created by the TPTB and they don't listen to their own son!!

[Tantauri]

Posted by fox.mulder (here)
Hi

I have this burning question and would love some opinions,

If we are eternal beings that continually incarnate AND this world is ruled by evil control freak types, then why do we keep incarnating here?

If we just stop incarnating here, there will be no people left for the TPTB to control. Wouldn't this solve the problem?

Would love some opinions.

Fox Mulder

'The Truth Is (hopefully) Out There

The short answer is that some of us do not have control over where we re-incarnate and some of us who do choose to return here for what we can learn and to fight the good fight. Earth is like New York City in the line from the song "New York, New York". "If I can make it there, I can make it anywhere"