Eating animal products will shut down your dna

[Billy]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
With regard to the 'optimum' diet for the human being...

Regular food can be spiritualised (nourishment for the soul) by offering it with love and devotion back to the Creator.

This is what 'Jesus' was teaching us to do at the Last Supper. It wasn't just suppose to happen at church on Sundays.

I also loved Jesus's answer when he was asked why he was NOT a vegetarian, " What goes into your body goes into the sewer, what comes out of your body goes into heaven "
It is more important what comes out of your body through expression and action than what your personal diet may be.

EDIT: Someone just sent me a PM asking for the Ref in the bible to my comment above.
so here it is, Mathew 15.11
Quote:
Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. “Listen,” he said, “and try to understand. 11 It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you realize you offended the Pharisees by what you just said?”

13 Jesus replied, “Every plant not planted by my heavenly Father will be uprooted, 14 so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter said to Jesus, “Explain to us the parable that says people aren’t defiled by what they eat.”

16 “Don’t you understand yet?” Jesus asked. 17 “Anything you eat passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer. 18 But the words you speak come from the heart—that’s what defiles you. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander. 20 These are what defile you. Eating with unwashed hands will never defile you.”


For anyone to look. Regards

[Calz]

At long last I have found something to take issue with the OP:

Constance wrote:

I don't expect to make any friends over this.

I expect you have made a few friends with this thread ... and I humbly apply

Robbins book in hand and just ordered the solarhealing dvd.

This thread goes beyond the meat vs not in several ways and has opened up my perception to look "beyond" the surface of this issue that has been out there for quite some time. The "factory" animal cruelty has been out there but you and other distinguished members of Avalon have rightfully focused attention on what lays beneath the surface in terms of ramifications of those who partake.

Hope Bill (and Kerry) can find a suitable time/place to join your friend Brian to shed further light on what you have brought to "the table"

[Icecold]

The human spirit is fundamentally and inherently benevolent...or one would hope.

All manifestations of life are inherently interconnected and interdependent....and sacred.

It should be the case that humans improve the quality of life for themselves and their fellow creations.

The goal for all humans should be to create the greatest benefit and the minimal harm for the widest domains of life.

Therefore, at the very least, vegetarianism should be the desireable path.

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The body is not really 100% a physical object, although it masquerades as one pretty well most of the time.

If it was a totally physical object, phenomena like these could not occur:

• Levitation

Given what we are continuing to learn about gravity and anti-gravity, it may become necessary to take "levitation" off the list. Levitation may turn out to be a purely physical phenomenon. It is indeed possible that everything on the list is a physical phenomenon, and that the body is a 100% physical object. What may be lacking is our correct understanding of the physical nature of the universe, i.e. everything we consider spiritual may actually be based in physicality that we don't understand.

[Maria Stade]

Lion Monkey

But it is a choice and we all have free will

Yes so it is !

There are some farmes that have own slaughter house but as you say many have not, and that is not good !

And I agree with you all should see the horror of which their food lives untill they are saved by deth it self !

The energy you sent to me was amazing ! Some thing to work on !

Lots of karma to let go !

Hope you feel better now !

Love / Maria

[Billy]

Posted by Inelia (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
I am only at page 4 on this thread so this may have been mentioned ahead.

Are you speaking about the power of Fasting here Inelia. I began Fasting for two days a week for a 24hr period in 1985, sometimes 3days and the longest fast was 9days, in 1998 i decided to stop fasting only to realize that it was very much part of my life, fasting to me is praying with your body, and i have had many powerful spiritual experiences through meditation and fasting, I have not drank water for many years, only fruit juice. I was vegitarian for 20yrs but now I do eat meat now and then, but only localy grown or wild produce. I think everyone is different and some people require meat and some do not.

I do not agree that eating meat shuts down your DNA, But what i do know is that living life from a loving heart, with compassion as your expression AWAKENS your DNA.
Blessings

If a no food nourishment intake is not for us, the very best thing, and often of equal value, is fasting on a regular basis. We were given a digestive system to get nourishment from living things around us. We were also given other systems to get nourishment from energy sources other than animals and plants. This does require a long period of adjustment, it's not like we can stop eating one day and start using the other systems immediately. The one I used was sungazing, and it wasn't done with the intention of not eating, it was done with the intention of giving my body a hand with health issues. When I started needing less and less food, I was ok with it. But when I woke up one day and was presented with the choice of not needing to eat at all (just drink fluids), I declined because I find eating to be pleasurable. A fall from grace? Probably.

Our food and water are highly polluted at the moment, for the most part. Which is why even a reduction of the total dependency on animals and plants would be of great benefit to the body. But it has to be replaced with something else. If we are on a meat and/or plant diet, we need it to be very balanced, with plenty of protein and all the necessary vitamins and minerals - which in most food sources, at our local level, are very lacking.

Blessing, or energizing, food before ingesting makes a huge difference to it and to our bodies. It also tastes much, much better.

Yes i bless my food before eating also. I am lucky to live in the highlands of Scotland where we have wild deer and Goats, my neighbours have sheep, chickens and pigs, The sea is 20ft away from my caravan where i stay, fresh seafood food like scallops, mussels, prawns and fresh fish, Local organic veg and fruit, and after fasting it ALL tastes yummy in-deed.

The Essene way of life is the one that resonates with me so much Inelia, Sungazing at sunset or sunrise and also allowing the body to bath in the sun for an hour a day. ( difficult here in Scotland, but i do what i can :-) Fasting energizes me, i hear my inner locutions more clearly, Although i sleep less and never a deep sleep my dreams are more vivid, my thoughts more spiritually connected to the higher realms, I communicate more clearly. When i do have a meal i eat late at night to
help me sleep. eating does the opposite to everything i mentioned above, it dulls all my senses, it takes away all my energy, after fasting my stomach has shrunk so i eat little now to be filled. I love fasting

[Jake]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The body is not really 100% a physical object, although it masquerades as one pretty well most of the time.

If it was a totally physical object, phenomena like these could not occur:

• Levitation

Given what we are continuing to learn about gravity and anti-gravity, it may become necessary to take "levitation" off the list. Levitation may turn out to be a purely physical phenomenon. It is indeed possible that everything on the list is a physical phenomenon, and that the body is a 100% physical object. What may be lacking is our correct understanding of the physical nature of the universe, i.e. everything we consider spiritual may actually be based in physicality that we don't understand.

Interesting viewpoint. Thank you. I believe that physicality is subjective. One could make the argument that there is no such thing as physicality. Only energy. I personally believe this. Physical reality is 'dense astral'. I have seen astral 'beings'. I have always assumed that they were not physical. Are they??? I suppose from 'their' point of view, they are perfectly physically real. Just like us. It is the understanding of the possible 'densities' of existence. AND it has to do with consciousness.

Once we learn a great truth, we instinctively strive to bring that truth into OUR existing paradigm of understanding. For example, Levitation. I am sure we are going to master the technology one day. But does that mean that we do not have the natural ability? Perhaps we will 'learn' how to communicate telepathically. Does that mean that it is a physical ability? What if we were to learn all about the concept of OBE and Astral travel and bi-location? Should we strive to bring that understanding to our level, or should we strive to bring 'our level of understanding' to a higher level. We are not even physical beings. We seem to be. At the quantum level, we are frequency and vibration. Is that physical, Or is it a point of view? Physicality is subjective. If we insist on understanding everything through physical terms, we are cutting ourselves off from a greater reality. I foresee a future where we study physics in PHILOSOPHY class. Jake.

[DawgBone]

Posted by Icecold (here)
The human spirit is fundamentally and inherently benevolent...or one would hope.

All manifestations of life are inherently interconnected and interdependent....and sacred.

It should be the case that humans improve the quality of life for themselves and their fellow creations.

The goal for all humans should be to create the greatest benefit and the minimal harm for the widest domains of life.

Therefore, at the very least, vegetarianism should be the desireable path.

Well said!

I have always felt that our "purpose" as human beings on mother earth is to create a garden planet, a celebration of life in all of its forms, not just human life:

a place of friendship and brotherhood
a place of acceptance and tolerance
a place of generosity and justice
a place where a hummingbird is more important than an F16
a place where mountains and rivers and forests and all animals are celebrated and protected

We are surrounded by miracles, and we are the stewards of the miraculous.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
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Probably not relevant in the grand scheme of the topic, but interesting the single letter difference between 'Inedia' (fasting) & 'Inelia' (Inelia!).

You really are a devilpigeonugget.

Posted by Icecold (here)
The human spirit is fundamentally and inherently benevolent...or one would hope.

All manifestations of life are inherently interconnected and interdependent....and sacred.

It should be the case that humans improve the quality of life for themselves and their fellow creations.

The goal for all humans should be to create the greatest benefit and the minimal harm for the widest domains of life.

Therefore, at the very least, vegetarianism should be the desireable path.

I would have to agree on that frozenugget.
You know what I did on the weekend?
I ate meat that was off. I knew it was off as I could smell it.
Now some people would say I was stupid to do that.
Watch out, I am looking!
Anyways, the reason I did it, is that an animal died for me to have that meat and to throw it out feels like a form of sacrilege.
So, I ate it and poisoned myself. Man, did I feel like crap till today.
I ate worse in the army and that didn't affect me like this.

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by Inelia (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
I am only at page 4 on this thread so this may have been mentioned ahead.

Are you speaking about the power of Fasting here Inelia. I began Fasting for two days a week for a 24hr period in 1985, sometimes 3days and the longest fast was 9days, in 1998 i decided to stop fasting only to realize that it was very much part of my life, fasting to me is praying with your body, and i have had many powerful spiritual experiences through meditation and fasting, I have not drank water for many years, only fruit juice. I was vegitarian for 20yrs but now I do eat meat now and then, but only localy grown or wild produce. I think everyone is different and some people require meat and some do not.

I do not agree that eating meat shuts down your DNA, But what i do know is that living life from a loving heart, with compassion as your expression AWAKENS your DNA.
Blessings

If a no food nourishment intake is not for us, the very best thing, and often of equal value, is fasting on a regular basis. We were given a digestive system to get nourishment from living things around us. We were also given other systems to get nourishment from energy sources other than animals and plants. This does require a long period of adjustment, it's not like we can stop eating one day and start using the other systems immediately. The one I used was sungazing, and it wasn't done with the intention of not eating, it was done with the intention of giving my body a hand with health issues. When I started needing less and less food, I was ok with it. But when I woke up one day and was presented with the choice of not needing to eat at all (just drink fluids), I declined because I find eating to be pleasurable. A fall from grace? Probably.

Our food and water are highly polluted at the moment, for the most part. Which is why even a reduction of the total dependency on animals and plants would be of great benefit to the body. But it has to be replaced with something else. If we are on a meat and/or plant diet, we need it to be very balanced, with plenty of protein and all the necessary vitamins and minerals - which in most food sources, at our local level, are very lacking.

Blessing, or energizing, food before ingesting makes a huge difference to it and to our bodies. It also tastes much, much better.

Yes i bless my food before eating also. I am lucky to live in the highlands of Scotland where we have wild deer and Goats, my neighbours have sheep, chickens and pigs, The sea is 20ft away from my caravan where i stay, fresh seafood food like scallops, mussels, prawns and fresh fish, Local organic veg and fruit, and after fasting it ALL tastes yummy in-deed.

The Essene way of life is the one that resonates with me so much Inelia, Sungazing at sunset or sunrise and also allowing the body to bath in the sun for an hour a day. ( difficult here in Scotland, but i do what i can :-) Fasting energizes me, i hear my inner locutions more clearly, Although i sleep less and never a deep sleep my dreams are more vivid, my thoughts more spiritually connected to the higher realms, I communicate more clearly. When i do have a meal i eat late at night to
help me sleep. eating does the opposite to everything i mentioned above, it dulls all my senses, it takes away all my energy, after fasting my stomach has shrunk so i eat little now to be filled. I love fasting

I have to be careful with the sun part.
I am that pale that I get burnt at full moon if I am not careful.

[jorr lundstrom]

Lionmonkey:

But it is a choice and we all have free will (apart from the animals) and it is a part of our individual process. ...

It is in my experience very rare that a vegan even says that we have a free will.

The ones I have met have just repeated over and over again that I dont understand,

if I eat meat. So even if everybody else eats just vegetarian food I eat some meat

because as I see it, eating meat is a part of the food-chain Im a part of on this lovely

planet. And Im not sure that I agree on that animals dont have a free will. You know

it was common knowledge among Nort American Tribes which hunted for food that

the animal willingly gave their life. Of course we shall inflict as little suffering as

possible in our lifes, but its impossible to avoid it totally.


Even this little rascal is hunted for food in Amazonas.

[Calz]

Couple things to consider I have not seen mentioned in this thread yet (and I think I have read it all):

In keeping with the AVAILABILITY of food sources (aka indigenous peoples in cold climates of various time periods) ... what about the very NEAR future if ... in fact ... the elite have their way with starvation or natural "end of cycle forces" accomplish the same thing.

In either case our "options" would be quite limited. No popping down to the health food store for organic choices from around the globe.

Existing indigenous peoples of a few locations would clearly fare much better than those softened by "civilization" particularly in the west.

Able to survive (at least for awhile as needed) with the Sun or breath??? Good for you ... another option.

2nd case of "devils advocate" ... magnetosphere collapsing ... ozone ... solar maximum ... indian legends of thowing out a wooden branch from the cave to see it instantly ignite in flame due to the radiation from the sun ... perhaps sun gazing not an option at least for several weeks.

Who knows ... perhaps underground between breath and meditation (as some have suggested can sustain). Some canned goods perhaps? Some water?

Don't want to bring a negative slant on an otherwise quite positive thread ... just thinkin out loud (ouch ... hate it when that happens)

Coming from the "physical" ... not from fear.

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Jake (here)
I believe that physicality is subjective.

Our experience of physicality is indeed subjective. No doubt about that.

One could make the argument that there is no such thing as physicality. Only energy. I personally believe this.

Energy is part of physicality in my view, meaning it exists as part of our physical world. For example, it is a fundamental part of physics (E=mcc). Our subjective experience of energy is indeed different from our subjective experience of solid matter, but that is obviously a function of the mechanisms by which we experience things, i.e. our five very limited senses. For example, 'astral beings' could easily be a part of the physical world, but not part of the physical world that we can experience via our five senses. They may be outside of our 'normal' perception.

What if we were to learn all about the concept of OBE and Astral travel and bi-location? Should we strive to bring that understanding to our level, or should we strive to bring 'our level of understanding' to a higher level.

How we arrive at the understanding may not matter once the correct understanding is obtained. How we arrive at the understanding may not even be predictable. That's what makes it all so interesting.

[kinerkid]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
It is in my experience very rare that a vegan even says that we have a free will.

The ones I have met have just repeated over and over again that I dont understand,

if I eat meat. So even if everybody else eats just vegetarian food I eat some meat

because as I see it, eating meat is a part of the food-chain Im a part of on this lovely

planet. And Im not sure that I agree on that animals dont have a free will. You know

it was common knowledge among Nort American Tribes which hunted for food that

the animal willingly gave their life. Of course we shall inflict as little suffering as

possible in our lifes, but its impossible to avoid it totally.

It is my understanding that the earth and all of her inhabitants have a consciousness/sentience and that we are all interdependent. Treating humans, animals, plants, and the earth with respect and dignity would- imo -go a long way towards raising the energetic balance. Since this is a thread about the food we consume, I feel that a clearer and deeper understanding of our interdependence with earth (in regards to the human civilization as a whole) would naturally evolve in raising the energetic vibration of the food we do consume - be it meat or otherwise.

[wynderer]

just my opinion -- that eating Animal products shuts down one's compassion & one's connection to the Oneness -- also, if what goes around indeed does come around -- well, the mass karma of most Humans' actions/inactions to animals -- not a pretty picture for the Humans, & not pretty for the Animals now

here's a music video apropos of my p.o.v.

'No to Violence' by Supersoul Connection

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xn9qWnGbZtw

[NancyV]

Posted by Jendayi (here)
i agree inelia... through synchronicity i have come to another conclusion today...

this year, my intention is to achieve the following.... (i advise any and all who wish to really turn their lives around to watch this video)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pvviIS-y0W0

Great video, Jendayi, thanks for posting it! Jericho has such good vibes. He seems to be a great example of a breatharian, unlike Wiley Brooks who was my inspiration to try to achieve breatharianism. I guess I shouldn't judge Wiley Brooks so harshly because he lied about being a total breatharian but I still have a knee jerk reaction to blatant liars. Just one of my many human weaknesses. LOL

I'm sure you will find the journey to becoming a breatharian to be a lot of fun. My husband and I enjoyed it immensely. First it was total vegetarianism but with milk products, then no milk products, then veganism, next raw food only, then frutarianism. I also did a lot of juice fasting and finally water fasting. The longest I went on water only was 10 days and I experienced a lot of excruciating pain for the last 5 days. This whole process took at least a year and a half but as I mentioned in a previous post we finally stopped and went back to total vegetarianism because of our teeth getting so loose. We quit being vegetarians about 5 years later.

As Jericho mentions in the video each one of us is unique in our dietary needs and it may indeed depend on where we come from or have most often incarnated, whether this world or another planet, galaxy or dimension and if we have strong energetic ties to that existence. One diet absolutely is not right for everyone, but I bet we would almost all agree that one diet is absolute WRONG for everyone and that's the SAD (Standard American Diet). I enjoyed vegetarianism and all experimenting with diet was very rewarding.

My spiritual experiences did not become less powerful when I returned to eating animals. In fact instead of only leaving my body and traveling on other dimensions, I started awakening my kundalini and having intense mergings with the earth and seeing and communicating with other dimensional beings while awake. So I cannot buy into the theory that eating animal products will shut down your dna. Of course I'm still not sure what "shut down your dna" means or if it has any relevance to spiritual awareness and abilities. Maybe it does but I can't reach that conclusion or even consider it if no real explanation of what it means is given.

The soul is all powerful whereas the brain and dna are part of this body. Admittedly they could be acting somewhat as interfaces between the denser vibrational world we live in and the higher vibrational dimensions. When our soul is out of our body it is probably not subject to much influence from the body/brain/dna, other than the connection which allows us to return to it. I can't say it isn't influenced at all because I don't know.

When I am out of body I give no thought whatsoever to all these concerns we have and situations we love to philosophize about while here on earth. It's an entirely different reality as soon as you leave the physical world. When I return to my body I am reminded how ultimately insignificant are all of our games here on earth. So my main goal while I am here is to have fun, enjoy life, and be of service in whatever way I agreed to do so when I came here. This is basically what Jericho also stated in the video.

Nancy

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by wynderer (here)
just my opinion -- that eating Animal products shuts down one's compassion & one's connection to the Oneness -- also, if what goes around indeed does come around -- well, the mass karma of most Humans' actions/inactions to animals -- not a pretty picture for the Humans, & not pretty for the Animals now

here's a music video apropos of my p.o.v.

'No to Violence' by Supersoul Connection

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xn9qWnGbZtw

Get out in the open videonugget.

[Lettherebelight]

Here's that video, Wynderer. Thanks for the share, pretty hot stuff!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xn9qWnGbZtw

[Constance]

ffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[jorr lundstrom]

This was among the most stupid messages I´ve ever seen and heard in a video

The bibel is true and thou shalt not kill. LOL Do you realize that the ones who

have created the situation that make 30 000 children starve to death every day

are notorious readers of and promotors of that garbage. And thou shalt not kill,

no because the love-loving Jahve want the monopoly on that. And that entity has

a lot of effective and faithful assistent in 3D. Its unbelieveable that anyone still

buys in to this message after this 2000 years of terror.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xn9qWnGbZtw

[Arpheus]

I will never believe someone's words or claims that one can be a breatharian until i see a series of videos of that person's daily life in at least a whole month being video taped to show absolute proof there is such thing,i am sorry but without absolute proof of wild claims like that wich should be very easy to prove if these so called breatharians have nothing to hide,i looked this stuff up a lot and havent been able to find a single person on the planet thats is known wordlwide that has shown proof that they dont eat ANYTHING and can survive that one heh,i know its possible to keep on living with very small amounts of food and water but none at all hmmmm that i need some serious proof to be beliavable tho,sorry but youtube videos just aint gonna cut it!I read long ago that are monks in tibet that can live without even breathing now thats even more of a wild claim,if we were to believe everything people say and tell you it could be possible this world woudnt be fun at all,thats just my humble opinion,now show me some video proof recorded over an extensive amount of time to prove that being a pure breatharain is possible and then i will apologize and change my mind but until then i stand by what i said,some of these people are total scam artists who charge 5 million dollars for workshops to show people the secrets of achieving such state of being ,i mean come on seriously?5 million bucks for something that should be free for every human being on the planet in my opinion,anyway i am done rambling !
Peace out