The Real Story about Trails in the Sky.

[Ahkenaten]

I guess the people living in undeveloped countries aren't as lucky as us to have governments so anxious to take these measures to.....to do whatever it is they are doing at such obvious expense (our money of course, no problemo!)

Oh I get it, the people in those undeveloped countries and their governments just aren't as advanced as us yet??!! Or maybe they just aren't worth 'saving', let alone getting rid of?

[Fred259]

Posted by conk (here)
Sorry Icecold, I disagree. Why would a plane fly over the same area over and over and over, laying down these trails that do not diminish over the whole day. A bright, sunny day at 8am, only to have a completely washed out sky by lunch time.

If the atmosphere relative humidity is 75% for example contrails will not form. A small jet trail may be visible but dissipates in around 15 seconds or less or may not even be visible at all.

If the atmosphere relative humidity lasts all day, 2, 4, or 6 days at say 75% still no contrails will form.

If the relative humidity in the atmosphere is close to 100% contrails will form, and will dissipate slowly over a few hours.


If the relative humidity in the atmosphere is 100% the contrail will form and will dissipate over time and form very thin cirrus cloud. (Clouds only form when RH is 100%)

If fifty aircraft fly through this atmosphere where the relative humidity is close to 100% or 100% fifty contrails will form and will dissipate over a few hours into cirrus cloud and then due to increased air traffic into cirrostratus cloud.

They are very deliberate with their patterns. They are doing something odd, there is no doubt. An evil plot? Perhaps not. But why no answers at all? Or pretend it is not happening?

The very deliberate patterns are caused by the navigational tracks they are flying.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=SKAWF;202047]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mrI9h8yCqdI

this is what i saw out of my window.

I Agree. Was this filmed today SKAWF?

i doubt that any of it is natural cloud.

I Agree. Clouds are formed by either convection, that is heating of the ground by the sun, convection and air cooling as it rises and forming a cloud. Or by orographic uplift, that is an air mass being forced to rise over mountains, followed by the air cooling as it rises and forming a cloud.

These clouds have not been formed by convection or orographic uplift but by aircraft flying in the atmosphere where relative humidity was close to 100%. Contrails linger, they slowly dissipate, no upper winds, they may last all day. Increased air traffic means more contrails, eventually spreading to cirrus cloud. (Perhaps a bit of convection occurred because it’s a warm day in London, but in general what he has filmed has been formed by contrails)

Nor is it disinformation.

I Agree.

They are changing the sky/atmosphere.

I Agree. The institute of Mechanical Engineers, Cranfield University and Rolls Royce Plc are researching this, and are conducting trials to mitigate same.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-research.html

Appreciate however that if the relative humidity was less than 100% the contrails wouldn’t form at all, or if the upper winds increased they would just blow away.

[norman]

Passenger jets with special nozzles fitted to the wings spraying long lasting trails from a regular 30k hight......

Rules out fuel dumping and crop spraying.

That's about all I know for sure.

[SKAWF]

that was filmed about two weeks ago.

its fairly regular.
that was by far the most congested day ive seen though.
no pattern to it, just dumped.
its interesting to see how the trails interfere with sunlight.
i have noticed that its harder to see the sun these days.
maybe thats part of it?, to deny the planet of sunlight.
or specific energy.

why would someone want to mist up the skies though?
why wouldnt they say anything about it?
its a bit rich though, dumping that level of stuff into the atmosphere,
then telling me ive got to change my lightbulbs.

[Dennis Jonathan]

The imagination is an amazing thing. Think about it. If I say to you "There was a skyscraper made of chocolate ice cream, with a giant cherry on top" what image pops in your mind?

Now think about creating that reality. Not so easy.

The imagination can be our greatest strength, or a detractor. The focus is the key. The lies cause distraction.

Is there a chance that something we don't know about is taking place in our skies? Of course. Is it as sinister as some believe? Maybe, but probably not.

I have something in my home. I keep it in a very special place. It has even saved my life. No one else in the world has it. Almost no one knows where I keep it, and I like it that way. If something were to happen to it, I would be affected physically and emotionally. I really don't talk about it often, if ever, but its really important to me.

I love my toothbrush.

What did you think it was? Gingivitis kills, it keeps me safe

When we are left to our own imaginations, the creation is often much grander than reality, for better or worse.

Let's focus our energy on the better

[Fred259]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
that was filmed about two weeks ago.

why would someone want to mist up the skies though?

They are contrails, perfectly natural I will post up a chart shortly.

Why wouldnt they say anything about it?

Why would they. It’s perfectly normal. But here are questions and answers from the European parliament.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...DOC+XML+V0//EN

its a bit rich though, dumping that level of stuff into the atmosphere,

Its just moisture turning to clouds due to 100% relative humidity. If the RH was less than 100% it would be clear.

then telling me ive got to change my lightbulbs.

Aye I know, you canny even buy a 100watt light bulb in Camerons Britain.



Check this site out. Let it load and click on the aircraft.
http://planefinder.net/


All those heavies from east coast US will be in London / Europe from 06.00GMT

Get up early tomorrow! From 05.00GMT London will be chocked…

US getting busy building up for the evening rush

Look at Wyoming Montana, guys heading up to Anchorage and Subic Bay.

Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, New Mexico, East West Traffic

Europe is still busy approaching midnight GMT

This software is not very accurate, not every aircraft is listed.

[SKAWF]

i know what a contrail is.
i know what a chemtrail is.
i know the difference between a standard commercial flight path.
and a grid formation

contrails dissapate into nothing.
chemtrails spread out, and fall.

thats another thing, if contrails occur as a result of very hot air vapourising ice in the air,
why is it, that a chemtrail would be denser than the air around it?
why do they not disappear into nothing.

you wont get me to accept they are contrails.
purely and simply because i know the differences between the two.

steve

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Icecold (here)
The problem with the new age movement is that a bunch of fairy-loving myth readers want to convince you that they understand science or natural phenomena. They have no clue outside of fairy tales or hysteria peddling.
Original thread here.....
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...il-pilot-talks

Obviously the starter of this thread is more into bashing specific groups than he is into learning about the difference in chemtrails/contrails. Sorry Ice, I'd love to participate, but not like this at Avalon.

[Fred259]

How Contrails are formed.

1) Wet & Dry Bulb Thermometer.

What is happening in the upper atmosphere is exactly the same as the wet and dry bulb thermometer on your doorstep.

When the wet and dry temperatures come together the atmosphere is super saturated and relative humidity is 100%. Moisture that was previously held in the atmosphere in a gaseous state now turns to liquid. With increased cooling in the atmosphere the moisture will turn to mist.

Further cooling will turn the mist to fog. Relative humidity is 100%. Mist and Fog are the same. The difference is Mist has a forward visibility of one nautical mile or more (6,080 feet). It’s called Fog when forward visibility is reduced below one nautical mile. Further cooling will cause the moisture to turn to ice.

For the benefit of Australians this is what happens in colder latitudes. In the early morning frost or ice covers the ground. At sunrise the temperature starts to increase, causing the overnight fog to thicken. This is caused by convection (heating) and mixing of light winds, speed 2-6 knots. Relative humidity is 100%

Increased inbound radiation from the sun will cause the Fog to dissipate changing to Mist, normally by 10.00hrs local time with increased forward visibility. Relative humidity is now approx 90% Further heating from the sun and increased convection causes the mist to further dissipate. Relative humidity approx 80% The water droplets previously held in suspension in the atmosphere as fog and then mist, still exist, however now they exist in a gaseous state.

The wet bulb temp (called the dew point) might be -2C the dry bulb temp might be +2C. Mist and fog will NOT form under these conditions. Relative humidity approx 80% When the sun goes down the temperature decreases towards the dew point or wet bulb temperature, of -2C in our example and Mist will form. Further cooling will cause Fog with Relative humidity 100%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature


2) Aircraft Departs - What happens?

Precisely the same is happening at the local airport as the wet & dry bulb thermometer on your doorstep. Aircraft departs, and in the climb contrails don’t form. Why? Because the relative humidity is less than 100%. Temperature pressure and density all decrease with increasing altitude, and so above 25,000 feet the temperature might be around -35C and circa -60C at 36,000 feet.

If the relative humidity is much less than 100% contrails will NOT form.

If the relative humidity is close to 100% contrails WILL form.

If the relative humidity is 100% upper level clouds WILL form.


The Tephigram Chart. It’s a chart prepared by a Meteorological officer detailing the state of the upper atmosphere. From this he can work out cloud levels and the weather. They send up a radiosonde balloon which records this data or call a passing aircraft and ask for the temps and pressure (T&Ps).

The red line is the dry bulb temp in the atmosphere, just the same as the dry bulb thermometer on your doorstep.

The blue line is the wet bulb temp in the atmosphere. They call this dew point temperature. Both lines are from ground level to 40,000 feet on this chart.

When the red and blue lines are separated no clouds or contrails will ever form. This is because relative humidity is much less than 100%

If the blue line moves to the right of the red line the atmosphere is super saturated with 100% relativity humidity and clouds and contrails will form from ground level to 40,000feet.

Wet & Dry Bulb Temps. Ground level to 40,000ft

3) Example

In this example looking at the pressure altitude scale in the right hand column we can see that from ground level to 13,000ft the red and blue lines are separated. (Bottom of the chart) Relative humidity is approx 75% and no clouds or contrails will form. Never.

At 13,000 feet the red and blue lines come together. Dry bulb -11C and Wet bulb temp -11C, so they are both the same here the atmosphere is super saturated 100% relative humidity and a cloud base will form and a contrail will also form. Always.

At 20,000 feet the red and blue line start to part Dry Bulb –25C and wet bulb temp -25C This is the tops of the cloud. Between 13,000 feet and 20,000 feet we were either in cloud or pulling a contrail. Always.

Above 20,000 to 40,000 on this chart relative humidity is 75% for example so no clouds or contrail will ever form. Why? Because the blue and red lines are well separated.


On this chart at 8,000 feet Relative humidity is 75% so no contrail will form. At 18,000 relative humidity is 100% in a super saturated atmosphere so a contrail will form. The aircraft will contrail all day as long as relative humidity remains 100%. On this chart at 30,000 feet no contrail will form because Relative humidity is 75%

Only four fluids are ever discharged from aircraft at altitude.

Water vapor and soot’s from the engine exhausts. Continuously .
Fuel very occasionally may be dumped in an emergency only.
Soiled dirty water. Occasionally from galleys and kitchens.
Fowl dirty water. Occasionally from toilets. (NB Water only)

Nothing else is ever injected from any aircraft. If you look in the sky and see a jet trail you know this is a contrail and just like the dry and wet bulb on your doorstep relative humidity is 100% and it’s a super saturated atmosphere at that altitude.

I hope this helps. We must stop believing the misinformation disinformation and lies relating to this subject. We need to remember what Charles told Bill. “They are drinking scotch smoking cigars and laughing at us” Hopefully no longer you.

Who’s flying over my farm? What’s his flight number?
Check here. Live update.
http://planefinder.net/

PS It takes a few seconds loading..

[Icecold]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
i know what a contrail is.
i know what a chemtrail is.
i know the difference between a standard commercial flight path.
and a grid formation

contrails dissapate into nothing.
chemtrails spread out, and fall.

thats another thing, if contrails occur as a result of very hot air vapourising ice in the air,
why is it, that a chemtrail would be denser than the air around it?
why do they not disappear into nothing.

you wont get me to accept they are contrails.
purely and simply because i know the differences between the two.

steve

I get your point and I think you know what you see is not a result of contrails.

However, it may be cloud seeding....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding




Cloud seeding, a form of weather modification, is the attempt to change the amount or type of precipitation that falls from clouds, by dispersing substances into the air that serve as cloud condensation or ice nuclei, which alter the microphysical processes within the cloud. The usual intent is to increase precipitation (rain or snow), but hail and fog suppression are also widely practiced in airports. Terpenes are released by trees more actively during warmer weather, acting as a natural form of cloud seeding. The clouds reflect sunlight, allowing the forest to regulate its temperature.

How cloud seeding works

The most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide and dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide). The expansion of liquid propane into a gas has also been used and can produce ice crystals at higher temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, s increasing in popularity.

Seeding of clouds requires that they contain supercooled liquid water—that is, liquid water colder than zero degrees Celsius. Introduction of a substance such as silver iodide, which has a crystalline structure similar to that of ice, will induce freezing nucleation. Dry ice or propane expansion cools the air to such an extent that ice crystals can nucleate spontaneously from the vapor phase. Unlike seeding with silver iodide, this spontaneous nucleation does not require any existing droplets or particles because it produces extremely high vapor supersaturations near the seeding substance. However, the existing droplets are needed for the ice crystals to grow into large enough particles to precipitate out.
In mid-latitude clouds, the usual seeding strategy has been predicated upon the fact that the equilibrium vapor pressure is lower over ice than over water. When ice particles form in supercooled clouds, this fact allows the ice particles to grow at the expense of liquid droplets. If there is sufficient growth, the particles become heavy enough to fall as snow (or, if melting occurs, rain) from clouds that otherwise would produce no precipitation. This process is known as "static" seeding.
Seeding of warm-season or tropical cumulonimbus (convective) clouds seeks to exploit the latent heat released by freezing. This strategy of "dynamic" seeding assumes that the additional latent heat adds buoyancy, strengthens updrafts, ensures more low-level convergence, and ultimately causes rapid growth of properly selected clouds.
Cloud seeding chemicals may be dispersed by aircraft (as in the second figure) or by dispersion devices located on the ground (generators, as in first figure, or canisters fired from anti-aircraft guns or rockets). For release by aircraft, silver iodide flares are ignited and dispersed as an aircraft flies through the inflow of a cloud. When released by devices on the ground, the fine particles are carried downwind and upwards by air currents after release.

An electronic mechanism was tested in 2010, when infrared laser pulses were directed to the air above Berlin by researchers from the University of Geneva. The experimenters posited that the pulses would encourage atmospheric sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide to form particles that would then act as seeds

Impact on environment and health

With an NFPA 704 rating of Blue 2, silver iodide can cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury to humans and mammals with intense or continued but not chronic exposure. However, there have been several detailed ecological studies that showed negligible environmental and health impacts.[10][11][12] The toxicity of silver and silver compounds (from silver iodide) was shown to be of low order in some studies. These findings likely result from the minute amounts of silver generated by cloud seeding, which are 100 times less than industry emissions into the atmosphere in many parts of the world, or individual exposure from tooth fillings.[13]
Accumulations in the soil, vegetation, and surface runoff have not been large enough to measure above natural background.[14] A 1995 environmental assessment in the Sierra Nevada of California[15] and a 2004 independent panel of experts (an overview only is presented in the executive summary of the research) in Australia confirmed these earlier findings.
Cloud seeding over Kosciuszko National Park - a Biosphere Reserve - is problematic in that several rapid changes of environmental legislation were made to enable the "trial." Environmentalists are concerned about the uptake of elemental silver in a highly sensitive environment affecting the pygmy possum amongst other species as well as recent high level algal blooms in once pristine glacial lakes. The ABC program Earthbeat on 17 July 2004 heard that not every cloud has a silver lining where concerns for the health of the pygmy possums was raised. Research 50 years ago and analysis by the former Snowy Mountains Authority led to the cessation of the cloud seeding program in the 1950s with non-definitive results. Formerly, cloud seeding was rejected in Australia on environmental grounds because of concerns about the protected species, the pygmy possum. Since silver iodide and not elemental silver is the cloud seeding material, the claims of negative environmental impact are disputed by peer-reviewed research as summarized by the international weather modification association.

(Don't click on this link...right-click and save instead)
http://www.weathermodification.org/AGI_toxicity.pdf

Weather Modification...one project and its locations....

http://maps.google.co.in/maps/ms?hl=...4&source=embed


Cloud Seeding around the World......

North America

In the United States, cloud seeding is used to increase precipitation in areas experiencing drought, to reduce the size of hailstones that form in thunderstorms, and to reduce the amount of fog in and around airports. Cloud seeding is also occasionally used by major ski resorts to induce snowfall. Eleven western states and one Canadian province (Alberta) have ongoing weather modification operational programs [1]. In January 2006, an $8.8 million cloud seeding project began in Wyoming to examine the effects of cloud seeding on snowfall over Wyoming's Medicine Bow, Sierra Madre, and Wind River mountain ranges.[31]
A number of commercial companies, such as Aero Systems Incorporated [2], Atmospherics Incorporated [3], North American Weather Consultants [4], Weather Modification Incorporated [5], Weather Enhancement Technologies International [6], Seeding Operations and Atmospheric Research (SOAR) [7], offer weather modification services centered on cloud seeding. The USAF proposed its use on the battlefield in 1996, although the U.S. signed an international treaty in 1978 banning the use of weather modification for hostile purposes.

During the sixties, Irving P. Krick & Associates operated a successful cloud seeding operation in the area around Calgary, Alberta. This utilized both aircraft and ground-based generators that pumped silver iodide into the atmosphere in an attempt to reduce the threat of hail damage. Ralph Langeman, Lynn Garrison, and Stan McLeod, all ex-members of the RCAF's 403 Squadron, attending the University of Alberta, spent their summers flying hail suppression. A number of surplus Harvard aircraft were fitted with racks under each wing containing 32 railroad fuzees that were impregnated with silver iodide. These could be ignited individually or all at once, depending upon the threat. In coordination with ground units, the aircraft would lay a plume of silver iodide in front of approaching cumulo-nimbus clouds with noticeable effect. Large, active CBs were reduced to nothing. Heavy hail storms were reduced in intensity. This effective program was funded by farmer contributions and government grants.[citation needed]


Europe

Cloud seeding was begun in France during the 1950s with the intent of reducing hail damage to crops. The ANELFA project consists of local agencies acting within a non-profit organization.[32] A similar project in Spain is managed by the Consorcio por la Lucha Antigranizo de Aragon.[32] The success of the French program was supported by insurance data; that of the Spanish program in studies conducted by the Spanish Agricultural Ministry.[32]

Russian military pilots seeded clouds over Belarus after the Chernobyl disaster to remove radioactive particles from clouds heading toward Moscow.[33] At the July 2006 G8 Summit, President Putin commented that air force jets had been deployed to seed incoming clouds so they rained over Finland. Rain drenched the summit anyway.[34] In Moscow, the Russian Airforce tried seeding clouds with bags of cement on June 17, 2008. One of the bags did not pulverize and went through the roof of a house.[35] In October 2009, the Mayor of Moscow promised a "winter without snow" for the city after revealing efforts by the Russian Air Force to seed the clouds upwind from Moscow throughout the winter.[36]


Australia

In Australia, CSIRO’s activities in Tasmania in the 1960s were successful.[37] Seeding over the Hydro-Electricity Commission catchment area on the Central Plateau achieved rainfall increases as high as 30% in autumn. The Tasmanian experiments were so successful that the Commission has regularly undertaken seeding ever since in mountainous parts of the State.
In 2004, Snowy Hydro Limited began a trial of cloud seeding to assess the feasibility of increasing snow precipitation in the Snowy Mountains in Australia.[38] The test period, originally scheduled to end in 2009, was later extended to 2014.[38] The New South Wales (NSW) Natural Resources Commission, responsible for supervising the cloud seeding operations, believes that the trial may have difficulty establishing statistically whether cloud seeding operations are increasing snowfall. This project was discussed at a summit in Narrabri, NSW on 1 December 2006. The summit met with the intention of outlining a proposal for a 5 year trial, focussing on Northern NSW.
The various implications of such a widespread trial were discussed, drawing on the combined knowledge of several worldwide experts, including representatives from the Tasmanian Hydro Cloud Seeding Project however does not make reference to former cloud seeding experiments by the then Snowy Mountains Authority which rejected weather modification. The trial required changes to NSW environmental legislation in order to facilitate placement of the cloud seeding apparatus. The modern experiment is not supported for the Australian Alps.
In December 2006, the Queensland government of Australia announced A$7.6 million in funding for "warm cloud" seeding research to be conducted jointly by the Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the United States National Center for Atmospheric Research.[39] Outcomes of the study are hoped to ease continuing drought conditions in the states South East region.
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Africa

In Mali and Niger, cloud seeding is also being used on a national scale.




The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some trails left by aircraft are actually chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for a purpose undisclosed to the general public in clandestine programs directed by government officials.

As a result, official agencies have received thousands of complaints from people who have demanded an explanation. The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by government agencies and scientists around the world, who say the trails are normal contrails.


The United States Air Force maintains that the theory is a hoax which "has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications".

The British Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has stated that chemtrails "are not scientifically recognised phenomena".

The Canadian Leader of the Government in the House of Commons has stated that "The term 'chemtrails' is a popularised expression, and there is no scientific evidence to support their existence."

The term chemtrail is derived from "chemical trail" in the similar fashion that contrail is an abbreviation for condensation trail. It does not refer to common forms of aerial spraying such as crop dusting, cloud seeding, skywriting, or aerial firefighting.

The term specifically refers to aerial trails allegedly caused by the systematic high-altitude release of chemical substances not found in ordinary contrails, resulting in the appearance of uncharacteristic sky tracks. Supporters of this theory speculate that the purpose of the chemical release may be for solar radiation management, population control,[1] weather control,[2] or biological warfare/chemical warfare and claim that these trails are causing respiratory illnesses and other health problems.

[blufire]

There’s just one rather large flaw in the “cloud seeding” explanation Icecold

There has to be CLOUDS in the sky for them to SEED and the resulting conclusion of such seeding is RAIN.

MANY times when I have seen the “chemtrails” they start with a crystal clear blue sky with NO clouds to be seen.

AND after these “manufactured clouds” are formed I have never seen rain fall from them. Although, I have seen “vermiculite or sandy” like residue fall from the clouds, but never rain . . . in my experience. Let me clarify, I don’t actually see the stuff falling through the air, but several hours later the “residue” is all over my equipment, high tunnels, etc . . Not on all occasions, but I’d say around 40% of the time I find physical “evidence” of the “chemtrails”

I have watched this phenomenon closely for several years. Again I only have theories (just like others) on WHY “they” are spraying but I know proof positive that “something” is being sprayed and “they” started only a few years ago.

I am outside much more than I’m inside and year around and I watch closely the weather and nature around me.

These “clouds” or “trails” are NOT normal and only started . . . . maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Also, they have intensified in the last three or four years.

I think I should also clarify that I have NEVER experienced any ill effects from this residue. I have breathed it and cleaned it off my equipment. Also, I haven’t seen it have ill effects on my animals. I do however have on ongoing concern on what large quantities of the “elements” could have on my topsoil and organic nature of the produce we grow. For that reason I do regular testing and we are growing more and more in protected and controlled environments such as High Tunnels and I’m testing my pond water and developing a means of filtration when and if the time comes that it is needed.

[Calz]

Posted by blufire (here)
There’s just one rather large flaw in the “cloud seeding” explanation Icecold

There has to be CLOUDS in the sky for them to SEED and the resulting conclusion of such seeding is RAIN.

MANY times when I have seen the “chemtrails” they start with a crystal clear blue sky with NO clouds to be seen.

AND after these “manufactured clouds” are formed I have never seen rain fall from them. Although, I have seen “vermiculite or sandy” like residue fall from the clouds, but never rain . . . in my experience. Let me clarify, I don’t actually see the stuff falling through the air, but several hours later the “residue” is all over my equipment, high tunnels, etc . . Not on all occasions, but I’d say around 40% of the time I find physical “evidence” of the “chemtrails”

I have watched this phenomenon closely for several years. Again I only have theories (just like others) on WHY “they” are spraying but I know proof positive that “something” is being sprayed and “they” started only a few years ago.

I am outside much more than I’m inside and year around and I watch closely the weather and nature around me.

These “clouds” or “trails” are NOT normal and only started . . . . maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Also, they have intensified in the last three or four years.

I think I should also clarify that I have NEVER experienced any ill effects from this residue. I have breathed it and cleaned it off my equipment. Also, I haven’t seen it have ill effects on my animals. I do however have on ongoing concern on what large quantities of the “elements” could have on my topsoil and organic nature of the produce we grow. For that reason I do regular testing and we are growing more and more in protected and controlled environments such as High Tunnels and I’m testing my pond water and developing a means of filtration when and if the time comes that it is needed.

blufire makes good points of personal observation.

I am 55 years old and though my memory ain't what it used to be *CLEARLY* remember when clear skies were actually clear blue skies (and stayed that way all day regardless of how many airliners were in the sky).

At some point (not sure if 5 or 6 years but probably close) something changed.

Contrails have been around a long long time with jet technology going back to WW2. It is also quite obvious when BOTH types of planes are in the air. Contrails disipate within minutes and chemtrails linger for hours.

Cloud seeding has been around a long long time.

If either of those were responsible then it would have started showing up many years earlier.

Weather warfare is an undeniable fact with countries boldly pronouncing control over weather on certain events.

Going back to 1997 - http://dprogram.net/2010/01/23/forme...e-earthquakes/

In April of 1997 United States Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen said: “Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.” He made this statement at a conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction and U.S. Strategy in his official capacity as the US Secretary of Defense; thus this can be taken as an official position of the United States. Further he used the word “are,” not “could,” “might” or “maybe sometime in the future.” He further added: “It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts.” If the United States Secretary of Defense says that the earth and the sky have been turned into weapons, and are being used as such in present time, I believe we should take this statement very seriously…. See More

“WEATHER WARFARE: The Military’s Plan to Draft Mother Nature” is not “conspiracy theory.” This book has almost no theory and very little speculation. All the conclusions reached are the logical ones based on the presented facts.

Siting the same source as Ice did regarding cloud seeding there is great disperity between WHAT is used to seed clouds and WHAT has been confirmed in endless tests of residue on the ground (aluminum barium etc etc) from chemtrails.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

The most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide and dry ice (frozen carbon dioxide). The expansion of liquid propane into a gas has also been used and can produce ice crystals at higher temperatures than silver iodide. The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is increasing in popularity[citation needed] because of some promising research results[citation needed].

As always ... IMHO

[SKAWF]

i'm going to echo part of the above post. i clearly remember the mid 80's.
you could look up into the sky and it was a deeper and deeper blue until it got darker.
then a really fine mist at first, and now its gotten to the point where the sun is obscured by a reflecting mist.
have you any idea how much dumping would be needed to create that effect on a planetary scale?
and yet it seems to have been done.

i reckon that they are not contrails is a given.
cloud seeding....
i hadnt thought about the lack of clouds argument.
thats good enough.
but mine is, the effects of cloud seeding dissapate as well.
there is no stream of particulates left falling from the sky.
unless you count rain.

the thing that i'm refering to, when i say the word 'Chemtrails',
are the long streams that are left behind by planes.
streams that fall, spread out, do not dissapate naturally, and over time create a reflective mist.

i remember when the sky was pure blue.
it was about 25 years ago.

steve

[TigaHawk]

To the "It's just the humidity in the air and how long it takes the ice crystals to dissapate" people

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3kcTvqiMNl8

Yeah.

[Calz]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
To the "It's just the humidity in the air and how long it takes the ice crystals to dissapate" people

Humidity has been around awhile ... yes?

Contrails have been around while ... yes?

Something has changed.

It would seem sometimes there is a need to respectfully "agree to disagree".

If there is some logical explanation for changes made in the last decade then I am open minded to consider it ... but at this point it simply doesn't make sense.

To me ... IMHO

[Fred259]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
To the "It's just the humidity in the air and how long it takes the ice crystals to dissapate" people

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3kcTvqiMNl8

Indeed,yes. At the lower altitude relative humidity is 100% and the air is super saturated so the contrails form. At high altitude relative humidity is less so the trails don’t form.

It’s like being high on a mountain in clear sunshine while down in the valley its mist and fog. In the valley the RH is 100% supersaturated air, but not up the mountain.

[Calz]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Indeed,yes. At the lower altitude relative humidity is 100% and the air is super saturated so the contrails form. At high altitude relative humidity is less so the trails don’t form.

It’s like being high on a mountain in clear sunshine while down in the valley its mist and fog. In the valley the RH is 100% supersaturated air, but not up the mountain.

Not saying anyone is "wrong".

Simply asking that, if that were the true cause, then what has changed in the last decade?

And what explaination is there for the mineral residue on the ground (showing up in the same timeframe)?

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And as some have observed here (as well as plenty of video evidence) why in the world would planes turn around to create checkerboard patterns over cities???

I would really LOVE to hear an logical explanation for that???

[Fred259]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
To the "It's just the humidity in the air and how long it takes the ice crystals to dissapate" people

Humidity has been around awhile ... yes?

Contrails have been around while ... yes?

Something has changed.

It would seem sometimes there is a need to respectfully "agree to disagree".

If there is some logical explanation for changes made in the last decade then I am open minded to consider it ... but at this point it simply doesn't make sense.

To me ... IMHO

I agree, four changes have happened over the last ten to fifteen years.

1) Air travel has increased dramatically particularly so low fare airlines.
2) Changes in airways and navigation procedures, leading to reduced lateral separation,
3) Three and four engine aircraft are being replaced with two engined aircraft or “twins” however the power output has doubled. Changes in engine design essentially.
4) Mass misinformation / deception on the internet.

[Calz]

Posted by Fred259 (here)
I agree, four changes have happened over the last ten to fifteen years.

1) Air travel has increased dramatically particularly so low fare airlines.
2) Changes in airways and navigation procedures, leading to reduced lateral separation,
3) Three and four engine aircraft are being replaced with two engined aircraft or “twins” however the power output has doubled. Changes in engine design essentially.
4) Mass misinformation / deception on the internet.

Fair enough.

1) If it were a matter of degree then I would agree. If traffic doubled then the phenomenon would roughly double. I remember ZERO for much of my life.

2) I am not sure to what you refer ... so I have to pass on this one.

3) See number one.

4) Yep ... also a WHOLE LOTTA TRUTH compared to elite bought and paid for MSM ... yes?


From my later post ... what about the residue and checkboard patterns when it is observed on a regular basis the planes turning around to cover an area???

Ice crystals alchemically transformed into aluminum, barium and others?