CONSPIRACISM-Avalons Most Important Thread

[Rocky_Shorz]

well I love nothing more than proving a conspiracy theory is true,

what happens to the articles reason then, do the non believers start to believe?

or does it create a domino effect that proves more to be true?

[KosmicKat]

It seems to be the case, if anything, that we move on to the next distraction

[Seikou-Kishi]

Of course 'conspiracism' would be labelled as a neurosis; that way, by way of that old favourite, the straw-man, we can say "Of course your perfectly logical argument is untrue, you're ill". We see it all the time today. How many times have you heard "Oh, pay no heed, it's just a conspiracy theory". The very name is enough to shoot a valid question down in flames. When people say to me "Oh but that's just a conspiracy theory" I say to them "Pretend it weren't and answer the questions anyway."

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
Of course 'conspiracism' would be labelled as a neurosis; that way, by way of that old favourite, the straw-man, we can say "Of course your perfectly logical argument is untrue, you're ill". We see it all the time today. How many times have you heard "Oh, pay no heed, it's just a conspiracy theory". The very name is enough to shoot a valid question down in flames. When people say to me "Oh but that's just a conspiracy theory" I say to them "Pretend it weren't and answer the questions anyway."

That is what the soviets did with dissidents, you are ill, off to the gulag with you.

[777]

Posted by KosmicKat (here)

I agree that a great many of the conspiracy theories that grab our attention are distractions. If we begin to become enlightened, we become that much harder to contain.

But free energy, to give us more free time to seek enlightenment? I think that might be a blind alley for a lot of us. My own studies suggest that many people at least behave in a more enlightened way in more demanding situations. Can't remember which thread, but there is one developing today that explores our imprisonment in our own minds. When we can work or play flat out without sacrificing spiritual awareness, we are approaching enlightenment.

I agree with this firmly. I've always noticed that you can't take the child out of human beings unless you inflict upon them the worst kind of oppression and/or abuse. We all love playing at whatever "game" we choose, even if that is sheer nosiness and curiosity about the world around us. If finding free energy is our game of choice, we'll play it, and therein may well come closer to an enlightened state, but that's not for everyone.

I find my higher selves coming through when I hold a pen and write music. Often the page is full before I've even noticed I'm doing it, kinda like those car journey's where you arrive at your destination without recalling anything of the trip. Reuniting that with the original topic.......there used to be a shooting tower and a cave near my house as a kid. I wasn't allowed to go there since it was dangerous. First thing I used to do with my spare time? Don't need to say it do I really.......

[enfoldedblue]

Quote 777: "It must just be a coincidence that many conspiracy theorists tend to be more spiritual than the norm, or have had multiple other-worldly experiences then?"

I was just thinking the otherday that maybe the reason why some people are more prone to look into conspiracies is because these people are more sensitive to energy and sense there is something very wrong with the version of reality that we are being spoon-fed.

[777]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)

I was just thinking the otherday that maybe the reason why some people are more prone to look into conspiracies is because these people are more sensitive to energy and sense there is something very wrong with the version of reality that we are being spoon-fed.

"Morpheus: I imagine that right now, you're feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole?
Neo: You could say that.
Morpheus: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that's not far from the truth. Do you believe in fate, Neo?
Neo: No.
Morpheus: Why not?
Neo: Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life.
Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Neo: The Matrix.
Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?
Neo: Yes.
Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind."

I thought this quote relevant your post enfoldedblue. I see it as no accident either. Like you say, spiritual people are far more energy sensitive and most I've met have kinda "always known", if that makes sense?

[Mad Hatter]

Thank you Koyaanisqati for eliciting some interesting responses... To a certain extent these are based on ones definition of 'conspiracy'

I like to use 'Conspiracy' = Any meeting held behind closed doors. Thus I've been surrounded by them all my life.

Posted by Lord Sidious;211119I
bet if I gave him a gps, sextantand a map he couldn't find his arse.

Of course not my Lord, do you not see his hands are full??

Posted by Fred S. (here)
Has anyone noticed how often termslike conspiracy theory, the whacko fringe element, etc. are being used in mediathese days?

Yes. A common lamestream meeja smear tactic. At best it is the dawning of truth going through the ridicule stage.

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Well, it seems that one has to answer a simple question. I won't reference anyof my own research to make this statement.
Are these Psychologists accurate in their assessment?
For ME the answer is obvious. ^_^

Would you be referring to those with the arrogance to presume they know what is going on inside someone elses head then prescribe drugs for a purported chemical imbalance in the brain without a mecahnism for measuring that balance in the first place?

Posted by Nasu (here)
In the land of the blind the one eyedman is king.. N

I think it more likely he would actually considered insane...

cheers

[sygh]

I have one word for ya: PROPAGANDA.

[king anthony]

Posted by Koyaanisqatsi (here)
In 1936 American commentator H. L. Mencken wrote...

According to some psychologists, a person who believes in one conspiracy theory tends to believe in others; a person who does not believe in one conspiracy theory tends not to believe another.

I say, many rely on the thoughts and words of another, for the conditioning of "this time" has made it so.

I say, "is a conspiracy theorist one that exposes conspiracies or one that conspires"!? Does not one conspire to make a conspirator of another!?

[Seikou-Kishi]

No; one doesn't conspire to make of another a conspirator; conspiracy, quite literally "breathing together", is done in secret behind closed doors (as though huddled together, to avert prying eyes). Most conspiracy theorists quite openly make their accusations, thus failing the 'secrecy' element for conspiracy. To conspire to do something is to work together in secret, working together in public is just collaboration.

[king anthony]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
No; one doesn't conspire to make of another a conspirator...

I say, you have not understood my words.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by king anthony (here)

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
No; one doesn't conspire to make of another a conspirator...

I say, you have not understood my words.

I can't say I know which you were using then, but mine were English.

[mondaze]

beware of metonyms, they are usually used as a sloppy way of evoking an idea without explaining it. (Metonym-A figure of speech in which one word or phrase is substituted for another with which it is closely associated,)for example the use of the word Crown to describe English law or the word Washington to describe the American political system. Conspiracy theory is a metonym, and is clearly associated with kooks, nutters and sad lonely individuals (like us) who are concerned with a hidden hand of authority which plainly doesn't exist.... does it?
everytime you see or hear a metonym shout and rail against it! It is the literary equivalent of a sigil and we all know who uses them!

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'm not sad and lonely... nutter I can live with haha

[araucaria]

Did you hear this little conspiracy story about a member of an influential family who became a whistleblower after a paranormal experience revealed corruption in high places: a sex scandal and murder?

He survived an attempt on his own life during extraordinary rendition after intercepting a secret message to a foreign power.

He gathered circumstantial evidence of the original murder, suggesting that it was in fact a copycat crime, using the most fanciful methods that would not stand up in a court of law.

He was finally killed by friendly fire which turned out to be a false flag incident, not without taking revenge on his enemies.

You’ve never heard about this? Oh but I think you have! This is Shakespeare’s Hamlet, revered by all, including the very people who love to tell you that conspiracy theorists are nutters.

[mondaze]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4_XnKjS3oWs

nothing to see here! warning some bad language and bad attitude!

[yaksuit]

" 'Deathers' take over where 'birthers' left off "

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS...ex.html?hpt=C1

[Taurean]

Some conspiracy theories cancel one another out, I mean if Nibiru is going to wash London right down the Thames estuary this Autumn, why bother organising the Zionist 2012 Olympics ?

[Maia Gabrial]

Yep.... that's what I be saying....