The sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues

[Amer]

Just an after-thought: it might be a good idea to move this discussion to a thread of its own because it really is quite thought-provoking. What thinks ye? Yah or nay?

[manny]

mods....
can you ban bill and lord sid for a week for a cooling off period.
or tell them to sort it out on chat.
Iilie watch the ratings go up.lol.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
I understand. LS was referring to the reference made to an entire race, in an atomosphere which is currently focussed on 'ascension' of such bodily designations.

Take out the word 'white', then everything is alwight...right?

I think Morgan says it a little better than I can...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s

But the initial statement was made in response to whether or not moderators are necessary in the natural world.

In answer... Yes they are there, but you can't see them with your eyeballs.

No carrots for you either.

Posted by manny (here)
mods....
can you ban bill and lord sid for a week for a cooling off period.

But HUGE sharpened organic carrots for you.
Nugget.

[manny]

although i prefer peace,and agreement.

it would be interesting,and a little fun.
so set a time and date,for a chat war.
in the red corner..using the force is LOOOORRRD SIIIID.
in the blue corner....with a big floppy HAAAT is BIIIIIL RYAAAAN.
and i,ll take the bets.

[DeDukshyn]

Lesson for the day: Don't add your feelings to someone else's descriptors. Volatile formula will result...

[K626]

What's going on here?!!

Race was and is still part of the divide and conquer paradigm. It has been the precursor to justify various acts of genocide and suppression planet wide and still is. It's why there isn't any real
outcry that America isn't really counting civilian deaths in Iraq and Afg (cause they know that the majority are too desensatised to care or cause much of a fuss and most don't really care as long as it is brown people dying in a far away land).

The heavy baggage of racist terms is to do with the history of race and imperialism and slavery and so on...It is by implication condensed into various racists words ie wog, ****** and so on..It is the same with racism against the Irish (it is hurtful because the Irish have sufferred historically etc..).

Real racist words are about history, the history of domination and the reminding of that domination in a word.


K

[K626]

...btw I disagree with Morgan Freeman because he is electing to erase his blackness. His blackness is still what defines him in America and not the fact that he is who he is and the increadibly talented person he is. That is a still a sad fact and he knows he feels it in certain situations socially and in society as a whole that he is looked on as 'the other'. This coding is reflexive and ingrained in the white psyche. These are the facts.

cheers

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Lesson for the day: Don't add your feelings to someone else's descriptors. Volatile formula will result...

That could be one lesson, this is true, but that isn't a high level one, that is a low level one.

Posted by K626 (here)
What's going on here?!!

Race was and is still part of the divide and conquer paradigm. It has been the precursor to justify various acts of genocide and suppression planet wide and still is. It's why there isn't any real
outcry that America isn't really counting civilian deaths in Iraq and Afg (cause they know that the majority are too desensatised to care or cause much of a fuss and most don't really care as long as it is brown people dying in a far away land).

The heavy baggage of racist terms is to do with the history of race and imperialism and slavery and so on...It is by implication condensed into various racists words ie wog, ****** and so on..It is the same with racism against the Irish (it is hurtful because the Irish have sufferred historically etc..).

Real racist words are about history, the history of domination and the reminding of that domination in a word.


K

Posted by K626 (here)
...btw I disagree with Morgan Freeman because he is electing to erase his blackness. His blackness is still what defines him in America and not the fact that he is who he is and the increadibly talented person he is. That is a still a sad fact and he knows he feels it in certain situations socially and in society as a whole that he is looked on as 'the other'. This coding is reflexive and ingrained in the white psyche. These are the facts.

cheers

K

What you say is true, that is why I would like to see us criticise people, not groups.
And the racism thing is in each group, not any group in particular.
Untill we overcome this, it will be like a sea anchor that we are towing behind us, holding us back.
We MUST overcome this if we are to advance.

[Steve C]

Deleted post................

[K626]

Knew you'd get it Sid.

FWIW I have little respect for the Will Smith types who rarely talk about 'the black experience' (Gifted beings like Muhammed Ali never shut up about it cause the discourse was too important).

Racism will always be a soft option till the hard option of AMERICAN BLACK HISTORY being properly and fully disucssed and de-mystifyied occurs. This is mainly the fault and carefully considered agenda setting of the MSM of course.

Just recently I was astonuded by the coverage of Al Jazeera during the Egyptian revolution compared to the sanitised and everyday coverage of the BBC and its 'people need to get to the bank and get on with their lives' slant.



cheers

K

[manny]

lord sid and bill on a cloud in the pearly gates.

lord sid"bill,do you remember that discussion we had on your website"
bill"yeah ,sid i do"
lord sid"did we acheive anything"
bill"not sure we are still discussing it now"



now thats gotta make you both smile.
get on with it guys.
you,ve both got a job to do.....

[OnyxKnight]

Can we replace the "white men" with the anglo-saxon men? It would make more sense. Although I did understand what Bill meant as soon as I read it, so I don't see how others, especially Sidius fail to see it. Maybe because you guys interpret things the way you like to interpret them?

Sid, you are not shy about your pro-white views, and if one was to examine your post contribution to this forum thoroughly, could also notice that. I respect that you are not hiding behind some made up arguments why you view things the way you do, you just do. But I don't have any respect for twisting other people's sentences and changing their context.

You are twice the age I am. One would think you can recognize the context of a sentence (we all speak and understand English here, don't we?), when one reads it.

History is clear about certain things. White anglo-saxon men (not sure there are any other types) did invade the Americas, South Africa, and Australia/New Zealand. Not something I have seen the black people do for instance. If you have an issue with history, take it to the historians and argue with them, although I don't see how one can argue with facts.

Also, I understand white pride is something very close to you, and if everybody knew this, they probably wouldn't react to your posts the way they did. They would understand. And Bill may have unintentionally hit a nerve here, and if he knew this back there he would have either word his post differently, or he would just not respond to you at all (which I think would have been a better thing to do, as you get real grumpy everytime "white race" is being mentioned in a slightly negative context).

Now can we go back on topic please?

Concerning this thread, I think I also am sick and tired of people pointing the fingers at others and criticize if they have objected to something or they have questioned it.

I'm only human and I do like to question things. I do like to have that freedom. I may not always be right about that, but I do like to have the right to do it regardless. If I'm not allowed to object, criticize and question things, then this forum is nothing better than any other forum, or the real world out there, where there is a limit to what you can criticize/object.

If one has a clean cheek of honor and integrity, and they know they are right about something, and that they are acting righteously, then they wouldn't be so against criticism and questioning. They would allow that to happen, and let those who criticize and question things, be proven wrong when the time is right.

That being said, I have seen people being very aggressive towards Bill, and his associates, mods etc. Aggressive in some cases is an understatement. I think if one needs to relay a (constructive) criticism about something, that they choose their words carefully, and make sure they don't sound too harsh or offensive. We do need to keep a level of decency here, right?

Threads like this don't do anything good except to bring two sides of a very complex equation on each other's throat (those who are critical, and those who are favoring those being critiqued). Let's focus on something else, something more productive, shall we?

[Daft Ada]

Dear oh dear, has it come to this

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'm sorry that you think Lord Sid to be a racist, OnyxKnight. I find so much wrong with your comment I can't bring myself to begin the mammoth task it would surely be to refute your badly formed arguments.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Can we replace the "white men" with the anglo-saxon men? It would make more sense. Although I did understand what Bill meant as soon as I read it, so I don't see how others, especially Sidius fail to see it. Maybe because you guys interpret things the way you like to interpret them?

Aha, you assumed that I did not know what he meant.
If you read my posts, you will see that I said I knew that. It was what he wrote that I was unhappy with.
And the fact that it is ok to say one thing, but not the reverse.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Sid, you are not shy about your pro-white views, and if one was to examine your post contribution to this forum thoroughly, could also notice that. I respect that you are not hiding behind some made up arguments why you view things the way you do, you just do.

I have my views, many people know what I believe. I am honest about that, why would I hide it?
I am not anti - any group, so I fail to see what you are trying to say, other than to make out that I am a racist as you have done before.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
But I don't have any respect for twisting other people's sentences and changing their context.

Funny that you are doing that to mine, but no worries, keep digging, there is another 45 miles before you hit anything of substance.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
You are twice the age I am. One would think you can recognize the context of a sentence (we all speak and understand English here, don't we?), when one reads it.

Yet again you assume to try and make me an idiot. Didn't work yesterday, today and won't work tomorrow.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
History is clear about certain things. White anglo-saxon men (not sure there are any other types) did invade the Americas, South Africa, and Australia/New Zealand. Not something I have seen the black people do for instance. If you have an issue with history, take it to the historians and argue with them, although I don't see how one can argue with facts.

Well, you might wanna go back and do some reading. Where do you think the aborigines came from before they got to australia? Who was here before that?
And what you say is fact, is open to debate.
Were you there? Did you experience that with your own senses?
If not, that is hearsay.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
Also, I understand white pride is something very close to you, and if everybody knew this, they probably wouldn't react to your posts the way they did.

Again you attempt to make me out as a racist. Keep going, you have one finger pointed at me and three at you.

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
They would understand. And Bill may have unintentionally hit a nerve here, and if he knew this back there he would have either word his post differently, or he would just not respond to you at all (which I think would have been a better thing to do, as you get real grumpy everytime "white race" is being mentioned in a slightly negative context.

You may find that I don't appreciate all types of racial comments, not just aimed at whites.
You see, I don't like dirtbags, whatever type you can name.
By all means, continue to attack my character, it will only come back on you.
My character stands on it's own merits, your opinion of me means nothing to me.
Better luck next time.

[PegasusRising]

"I think you mean I am the nugget, but that is ok, we are all entitled to have an opinion.
I am not offended.
I feel I am right, Bill feels he is right.
Who is right? That is open to interpretation".[/QUOTE] Lord Sidious

We are getting into duality here. Right and wrong, up and down, black and white.
I am also an Australian and I was not offended by Bill's explanation, I didn't find it a racist stereotypes, so am I also right?
We are wasting a lot of energy on nitpicking, when there is a bigger picture. We want to be evolving beyond all of this, exploring our human potential. Everything is open to interpretation, we decode it through our believes and experiences and then we react according to the hardwiring. Let's start to rewire the system so we can push our limitations and create something magical.
I wish you all a joyous evening or morning.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by PegasusRising (here)
Lord Sidious

We are getting into duality here. Right and wrong, up and down, black and white.
I am also an Australian and I was not offended by Bill's explanation, I didn't find it a racist stereotypes, so am I also right?
We are wasting a lot of energy on nitpicking, when there is a bigger picture. We want to be evolving beyond all of this, exploring our human potential. Everything is open to interpretation, we decode it through our believes and experiences and then we react according to the hardwiring. Let's start to rewire the system so we can push our limitations and create something magical.
I wish you all a joyous evening or morning.

Did you read all my posts in this thread?

[OnyxKnight]

I didn't exactly said you are racist, I said you favor Caucasian people (hence why you used the term "my family" back there, when addressing Bill Ryan's post. Since its not a secret, your views I mean, you surely don't feel the need to justify them to me, do you?

There are several identical characters like yourself on the David Icke forums, and its almost predictable how you would react, on certain topics/threads. So yes I have a history with such discussions.

Regarding the Aborigine people, there will be a post on my thread regarding Earth's history, maybe you could find the answers there (if you are looking for them, if not, oh well...)

[Rocky_Shorz]

[K626]

Think Onyx is being very disingenous within this debate and has used it as a springboard for nothing more than a naked attack on Sid.

*Just read back through the thread and I can see there has clearly been a misunderstanding between two intelligent men. Like that never happens!

Peace to all.

Avalon Lives!!

K