The sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues

[DeDukshyn]

As much as I am trying to see your perspective here Sidous, (and I am, you should know that), I just don't think Bill's post could be interpreted as racist; I explained why I feel this in my previous posts. I get your the point you are making about generalizations, and that we shouldn't use them because the may be perceived as racist, but that is something that I think is a little bit more unique to you. I always feel I should never shy away from using my language in the most accurate way I believe it to be out of fear that someone may misinterpret my intentions. If they do, the onus is on them to address me, then up to me to set my intentions straight. Does this mean I should apologise? Personally, no, I don't think so. But your definition of integrity may say that is the way it will be for you. Either way, the important thing was that intentions get cleared. Did bill clear his intentions? Immediately.

Before you say "but that's my point!" (I can hear it in your head ;-), I will say that is very different from a (imaginary) situation where Bill attacked you personally, and say ... implied you were a racist for something you wrote that he mis-interpreted. That after trying to explain the mis-interpretation, he ignored you carried on about your implied racism for a few pages of a thread of a different topic. An apology would be much more warranted in a situation like that. MHO.

[Amer]

Rob we can apologise for intentionally hurting another person with our words, but if it was not my intention to hurt you in the first place I can be sorry that you feel hurt, but if I tell you sincerely that I did not intend to hurt you, that we have different interpretations - is it reasonable to ask me to apologise?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Ammit (here)
Jesus, I dont believe this went on so long. 123 posts of battling because one person objected to other members being shocked at their friends here leaving. I know I objected to the initial comments, of which I still stand by my response, but dudes, lets leave it now and just say we cleared the air a little, we all need to do that at times.

With all that is going on with events at the moment we all need a little escape but lets get back on track and again become a community. Please guys....

If this gets beyond 130 posts, you can say good bye to me too.

Please, don't go making hasty decisions.
Hang around, just because things get a bit heated doesn't mean that we should all bail out.

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
As much as I am trying to see your perspective here Sidous, (and I am, you should know that), I just don't think Bill's post could be interpreted as racist; I explained why I feel this in my previous posts. I get your the point you are making about generalizations, and that we shouldn't use them because the may be perceived as racist, but that is something that I think is a little bit more unique to you. I always feel I should never shy away from using my language in the most accurate way I believe it to be out of fear that someone may misinterpret my intentions. If they do, the onus is on them to address me, then up to me to set my intentions straight. Does this mean I should apologise? Personally, no, I don't think so. But your definition of integrity may say that is the way it will be for you. Either way, the important thing was that intentions get cleared. Did bill clear his intentions? Immediately.

Before you say "but that's my point!" (I can hear it in your head ;-), I will say that is very different from a (imaginary) situation where Bill attacked you personally, and say ... implied you were a racist for something you wrote that he mis-interpreted. That after trying to explain the mis-interpretation, he ignored you carried on about your implied racism for a few pages of a thread of a different topic. An apology would be much more warranted in a situation like that. MHO.

This is a point that we need to sort out.
We have an issue with posts on nexus and the effects of that.
We have the same sort of thing here now.
If we don't fix it, it will continue on.
Do you guys not realise that I am trying to help you all heal and get over this?

[Amer]

Posted by Lord Sidious
Do you guys not realise that I am trying to help you all heal and get over this?

That is noble and to be commended. And I do not believe that debating strongly means that we are not a united community anymore, what is more I believe it is part of what binds and makes a community stronger and we shouldn't be afraid of it. Starting on a path to peace must keep peace firmly centered as our objective and believe we can achieve it. But we have to start somewhere.
In the same way that you are hurt by Bill's statement I believe he is hurt/angry by you thinking he is a racist- you don't believe that do you?

[NancyV]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Enough, Lord Sid. You are way out of line.

Back to topic, please. Seikou-Kishi's posts were articulate and intelligent. Lord Sid, you completely derailed this discussion. If you want to accuse me of being a racist, please start a new thread.
(But I will not participate.)

I didn't call you a racist at any time, did I?
And you derailed this, not me, you just won't admit it.
I am actually trying to help you see something here.
You wanna dodge this, but that won't be happening.
I put it to you, that you have a standard for your ''guests'' and one for yourself.
You did to all white australians what you claimed people did to you, inelia, dennis, paul and others.
You want an apology from them, but you can't give me one?
Oh and by the way, YOU are out of line sir, not me.
All you have to do is admit your error, apologise, I will rep your post and we move on.
Is that fair enough or not?

That not only is not FAIR, it's bizarre. Looks like you are insisting on some sort of showdown and you're really pushing to get it. No matter how much I normally like your posts, you're WAY out of line here and I would suggest that you drop it.

Lord Sidious: This is a point that we need to sort out.
We have an issue with posts on nexus and the effects of that.
We have the same sort of thing here now.
If we don't fix it, it will continue on.
Do you guys not realise that I am trying to help you all heal and get over this?

Helpful?? Maybe from your perspective but not from mine. You've chosen a very weak example and it's a HUGE stretch trying to compare Bill's innocent (and FACTUAL) remark with the vitriol spewed on Nexus about him and Inelia and Avalon. Whatever lesson you think you're teaching is getting lost because of your tactics.

Nancy

[Ammit]

**** this, beam me up scotty. Bye all and blessings with your future endeavours. Be at peace and be safe.x

[jjl]

I used to work in a little working class tavern in NYC west side. All the patrons hated the owner. Came in there every day to drink and gossip about how much they disrespected the owner. But at least they bought drinks for the privlidge.

[Ilie Pandia]

I have created this new thread to allow discussion to continue without disrupting the original thread started by Seikou-Kishi.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Amer (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious
Do you guys not realise that I am trying to help you all heal and get over this?

That is noble and to be commended. And I do not believe that debating strongly means that we are not a united community anymore, what is more I believe it is part of what binds and makes a community stronger and we shouldn't be afraid of it. Starting on a path to peace must keep peace firmly centered as our objective and believe we can achieve it. But we have to start somewhere.
In the same way that you are hurt by Bill's statement I believe he is hurt/angry by you thinking he is a racist- you don't believe that do you?

I never said he was a racist, I know what the word means and I bet the majority of you don't.
I said he made a statement that was racist, that isn't the same thing.
And I did also say that I believe him when he said he meant something different with those words, that isn't what I was trying to get him to confront.
What we write/say and what we mean can be very different and THAT is a major issue we are having here and on nexus.
We need to deal with this issue and it isn't being dealt with, so I am trying to force that issue.
I am prepared to risk my account here being banned so that we can move forward.
That is for one reason and one reason alone, I care.
I am rocking the boat and making you nuggets seasick to try and get you well out of your comfort zones so that you can then assess the situation and deal with it.
It has been pointed out to me by one of the mods, who cared enough about me, bill and the forum to spend over an hour and a half of his time to try and sort this out.
It now seems that altough what I am doing is correct in my view, I have used the wrong tactic with bill as he has already been through the wringer in a way with the very issue that I was trying to force.
So it is like shell shock in a way and that would make his reaction different to the one I wanted.
What disappoints me is that many of the members just jumped on the bandwagon without thinking what was going on with me.
I do these things to get stubborn people out of their comfort zones into the learning zone.
Let me spell this out so that we are all on the same page.
When you go through detox, you will end up with all the toxins being dislodged from the organs and body fat where they are and then loose in the blood to go out through the excretion system for disposal.
When this happens, you will get sick, very sick if you have a lot of toxins in your system.
It is a necessary stage that you HAVE to go through to detox and you can't do it without this phase.
This is similar to what I am trying to do with you lot.
In future, I would ask you to try and figure out what I am doing if it is not apparent to you.
Many of you posting in the thread are still reacting from your conditioning and fighting me even as I detox you.
Nuggets, the lot of ya.
And bill is the biggest nugget of the lot, maybe even a double nugget.
Me using the wrong tactic at the wrong time MAY qualify my approach as nuggetry, but that is still only an allegation.

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Enough, Lord Sid. You are way out of line.

Back to topic, please. Seikou-Kishi's posts were articulate and intelligent. Lord Sid, you completely derailed this discussion. If you want to accuse me of being a racist, please start a new thread.
(But I will not participate.)

I didn't call you a racist at any time, did I?
And you derailed this, not me, you just won't admit it.
I am actually trying to help you see something here.
You wanna dodge this, but that won't be happening.
I put it to you, that you have a standard for your ''guests'' and one for yourself.
You did to all white australians what you claimed people did to you, inelia, dennis, paul and others.
You want an apology from them, but you can't give me one?
Oh and by the way, YOU are out of line sir, not me.
All you have to do is admit your error, apologise, I will rep your post and we move on.
Is that fair enough or not?

That not only is not FAIR, it's bizarre. Looks like you are insisting on some sort of showdown and you're really pushing to get it. No matter how much I normally like your posts, you're WAY out of line here and I would suggest that you drop it.

Lord Sidious: This is a point that we need to sort out.
We have an issue with posts on nexus and the effects of that.
We have the same sort of thing here now.
If we don't fix it, it will continue on.
Do you guys not realise that I am trying to help you all heal and get over this?

Helpful?? Maybe from your perspective but not from mine. You've chosen a very weak example and it's a HUGE stretch trying to compare Bill's innocent (and FACTUAL) remark with the vitriol spewed on Nexus about him and Inelia and Avalon. Whatever lesson you think you're teaching is getting lost because of your tactics.

Nancy

The message was not received correctly with you, that is for sure, I can say that what I meant and what you think I meant are not the same.
I can also say that I think you are fighting the detox and denying that you have toxins.
But you do, we all do, even if they are different ones to each others.

Posted by Ammit (here)
**** this, beam me up scotty. Bye all and blessings with your future endeavours. Be at peace and be safe.x

Oh no you don't nugget, there are no lifeboats left, get back here.

Posted by jjl (here)
I used to work in a little working class tavern in NYC west side. All the patrons hated the owner. Came in there every day to drink and gossip about how much they disrespected the owner. But at least they bought drinks for the privlidge.

Well, I am not entirely sure of what you mean, but I take it as you think I am hanging crap on bill, which isn't what I am doing.
But that is ok, I am not offended at your opinion.

Now, by way of compromise, I will apologise to bill for using shock tactics on him if he will meet me half way and apologise for his statement.
After that, we can get back to business of detoxing you avalonuggets.

[Karma Ninja]

There is some sensitivity being displayed here that is perhaps misplaced. I read this thread in it's original form and was shocked to see the conversation degrade into a silly and childish debate about one person's interpretation of Bills comments. I found it absurd that someone could take such offense to an innocuous comment. The point Bill was trying to make was obvious and the rebuttal was obvious in it's nature as well. This thread was something that saddened me and reminded me of why I was hesitant to join in the first place.

In my view, there is a long understood and accepted history of foreign countries invading, murdering and displacing a lands native people. These crimes against humanity have left scars that are impossible to erase without a concerted effort from the future generations of both sides to acknowledge past transgressions and to collectively agree to move forward and to forgive the past. If a member of the future generation refuses or does not wish to accept blame or show regret or feel responsible for the crimes of the past than that is their prerogative. They should not be held accountable. They must also accept that they can never be part of the solution and only will be seen as wanting to ignore the past. To the people who suffered, the ones who refuse to accept our ancestors crimes will always be part of the problem. Acknowledging and learning from the past is essential to a societies growth. I think Bills comment reflected this knowledge.

Those who suffered most will have a hard time moving on if they feel the current generation simply wants to sweep the crimes of the past under the rug. I am part Japanese Canadian and part British Canadian. My father was born in a Japanese internment camp during the second world war. My grandparents, aunts and uncles were treated horribly, stripped of their rights and property and robbed of their dignity. There were some who could never forgive and never moved on. My family made it a goal to forgive the government for what happened, forgive the people for spitting on and beating us up, forgive them for following what a society saw as acceptable at the time. As time went on, Canadian people moved on and eventually, when we looked back at what happened in the 40's, we saw that a horrible wrong had been committed. The Canadian government apologized and offered compensation for what happened. My father made it clear that we must accept the apology and embrace our neighbours. Our neighbours embraced us back. It led to him falling in love with a British Canadian woman and my mother learned it was possible to love him back. It led to me being born. We offered no resistance to the apology and we are now a valuable thread in the Canadian tapestry. This took decades and some still have not fully accepted the past or chosen to learn ALL of the lessons that come with it. Those who refuse are on both sides. They hold an anger in their souls that keeps them from completely opening their hearts and minds. Today I am proud to be a Canadian. I am proud to be my father and mothers son.

On a separate note, I share the shame of the white people who know the horrible crimes the British and French settlers committed against our Native people. Many Native Canadians or Indigenous people still are not willing to forgive and move on. Many will never be able to. Alcohol, drugs and a new monetary system have left our Native people far from where they were when the settlers first arrived. Many Native people want to move on but there are also lots of Canadians who talk about the 'lazy and welfare dependent Native people who pay no taxes and live off of this country'. (This is not how I feel but merely a sample of the comments I hear all the time) I think both sides have some forgiving to do and could learn more from each other than can be imagined. I hold faith that the divide will be conquered and we will all learn to live peacefully. I want to see our Native Canadians celebrated for their rich and beautiful history like they were during the last Winter Olympics. I have the utmost faith that it will happen.

Generalizations are just that, general and not pointed. They shouldn't be interpreted as such in order to further ones own beliefs. Aboriginals...white men...asian people...black people...whatever. No apologies are needed here only cooler heads and a dedication to mature, thoughtful discussion.

Peace as always. You are all my brothers and sisters. We are here for a reason.

[Agape]

It's an old atavism coming from times when people lived scattered over the planet, lived isolated from each group and tribe for centuries and millenia ,

developed advanced and primitive cultures who each considered themselves the only true people .

With all their delicate believe systems and social hierarchies, they were the gods of this planet ..

Some evolved faster than the others, some have receded, some vanished forever without trace,
some learned to survive in drastic climatic conditions and the sun has burned their faces and colored their eyes

with rays of Light.


There were good people of peace and cruel barbarians . They had to learn about each other one day ..


and the big rape of culture was ensued, advances destroyed and the black kings took over the rule .


It's still difficult getting rid of them all ...



How do I know. You know I know. It's easy to harm the precision and the focus of human mind, we are all sentient beings means we are all vulnerable. And we are all unique.

Please realize that we are not the creators of life and no one else is, no paternal or maternal figure in the Universe that has created you exists.

We have not created this hell of a planet .


The only thing we can do about it is have hearts. Speak truth . Respect your own being so you don't have to ask others to do it for you..



With kindest regards

[000]

On the OP's forest/nature comment.

Nature is self-moderating and symbiotic. It is totally free and thus totally self-responsible. It was here long before beings in flesh suits walked amongst it.

Nature does not need moderators. Beings in flesh suits here on Earth seem to, because they have created such a paradigm in which they are not willing to take self-responsibility and thus give permission to be moderated.

The price for a quantity of freedom is payed for with the same quantity of responsibility.
The price for the quality of freedom is payed for with the same quality of responsibility.

Over and Out.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Many of you posting in the thread are still reacting from your conditioning and fighting me even as I detox you.

Just because we are having convulsions doesn't necessarily mean we are going through the detox necessary to regain some of health.

One actually has to understand the particular disease, addiction or poisoning mechanism in play to know if the convulsions are to be worked through, or taken as a sign of something to avoid.

If we had been sitting calmly over a beer a day ago, Lord Sidious, discussing the health (or lack thereof) of Project Avalon, how would you have described it?

I take it from what you've said so far today, you would have found evidence of embedded poisons, that were still in need of being worked out, if we are to get healthier.

Stepping back from today, from who said what, what they meant by that, and who owes who an apology, can you describe what you see here, what your concerns are?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by 000 (here)
Nature is self-moderating and symbiotic.

Our bodies have a complex immune system, engaged in an elaborate and ever changing discernment of what's us, what's friendly other (e.g. gut bacteria) and what's hostile other.

Without that, we cannot survive outside of a sterile bubble for more than a few days or weeks.

Project Avalon is not "nature" in the aggregate. It is a body, at some level. As such, it requires its immune and other health support mechanisms.

[000]

Posted by Paul (here)
Our bodies have a complex immune system, engaged in an elaborate and ever changing discernment of what's us, what's friendly other (e.g. gut bacteria) and what's hostile other.

Without that, we cannot survive outside of a sterile bubble for more than a few days or weeks.

Project Avalon is not "nature" in the aggregate. It is a body, at some level. As such, it requires its immune and other health support mechanisms.

That kind of reinforces what I have written. Note that I did not suggest Avalon was nature.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Karma Ninja (here)
There is some sensitivity being displayed here that is perhaps misplaced. I read this thread in it's original form and was shocked to see the conversation degrade into a silly and childish debate about one person's interpretation of Bills comments. I found it absurd that someone could take such offense to an innocuous comment. The point Bill was trying to make was obvious and the rebuttal was obvious in it's nature as well. This thread was something that saddened me and reminded me of why I was hesitant to join in the first place.

In my view, there is a long understood and accepted history of foreign countries invading, murdering and displacing a lands native people. These crimes against humanity have left scars that are impossible to erase without a concerted effort from the future generations of both sides to acknowledge past transgressions and to collectively agree to move forward and to forgive the past. If a member of the future generation refuses or does not wish to accept blame or show regret or feel responsible for the crimes of the past than that is their prerogative. They should not be held accountable. They must also accept that they can never be part of the solution and only will be seen as wanting to ignore the past. To the people who suffered, the ones who refuse to accept our ancestors crimes will always be part of the problem. Acknowledging and learning from the past is essential to a societies growth. I think Bills comment reflected this knowledge.

Those who suffered most will have a hard time moving on if they feel the current generation simply wants to sweep the crimes of the past under the rug. I am part Japanese Canadian and part British Canadian. My father was born in a Japanese internment camp during the second world war. My grandparents, aunts and uncles were treated horribly, stripped of their rights and property and robbed of their dignity. There were some who could never forgive and never moved on. My family made it a goal to forgive the government for what happened, forgive the people for spitting on and beating us up, forgive them for following what a society saw as acceptable at the time. As time went on, Canadian people moved on and eventually, when we looked back at what happened in the 40's, we saw that a horrible wrong had been committed. The Canadian government apologized and offered compensation for what happened. My father made it clear that we must accept the apology and embrace our neighbours. Our neighbours embraced us back. It led to him falling in love with a British Canadian woman and my mother learned it was possible to love him back. It led to me being born. We offered no resistance to the apology and we are now a valuable thread in the Canadian tapestry. This took decades and some still have not fully accepted the past or chosen to learn ALL of the lessons that come with it. Those who refuse are on both sides. They hold an anger in their souls that keeps them from completely opening their hearts and minds. Today I am proud to be a Canadian. I am proud to be my father and mothers son.

On a separate note, I share the shame of the white people who know the horrible crimes the British and French settlers committed against our Native people. Many Native Canadians or Indigenous people still are not willing to forgive and move on. Many will never be able to. Alcohol, drugs and a new monetary system have left our Native people far from where they were when the settlers first arrived. Many Native people want to move on but there are also lots of Canadians who talk about the 'lazy and welfare dependent Native people who pay no taxes and live off of this country'. (This is not how I feel but merely a sample of the comments I hear all the time) I think both sides have some forgiving to do and could learn more from each other than can be imagined. I hold faith that the divide will be conquered and we will all learn to live peacefully. I want to see our Native Canadians celebrated for their rich and beautiful history like they were during the last Winter Olympics. I have the utmost faith that it will happen.

Generalizations are just that, general and not pointed. They shouldn't be interpreted as such in order to further ones own beliefs. Aboriginals...white men...asian people...black people...whatever. No apologies are needed here only cooler heads and a dedication to mature, thoughtful discussion.

Peace as always. You are all my brothers and sisters. We are here for a reason.

With all due respect to your post, the reason that people can't move on is they don't know what they are trying to move on from.
Your post is exactly what I was talking about.
As an example, the middle east will NEVER have peace.
NEVER.
Until we let go of this paradigm of racism/guilt and realise it is simply a control mechanism.
Until we do that, we are wasting our time, they are pulling our strings.

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Many of you posting in the thread are still reacting from your conditioning and fighting me even as I detox you.

Just because we are having convulsions doesn't necessarily mean we are going through the detox necessary to regain some of health.

One actually has to understand the particular disease, addiction or poisoning mechanism in play to know if the convulsions are to be worked through, or taken as a sign of something to avoid.

If we had been sitting calmly over a beer a day ago, Lord Sidious, discussing the health (or lack thereof) of Project Avalon, how would you have described it?

I take it from what you've said so far today, you would have found evidence of embedded poisons, that were still in need of being worked out, if we are to get healthier.

Stepping back from today, from who said what, what they meant by that, and who owes who an apology, can you describe what you see here, what your concerns are?

That is an excellent question Paul.
Now for the answers and the next round of offense.
Avalon is ill, very, very ill.
This has been evident for a long time.
First we had camelot, that split.
Then we had camelot and avalon.
Avalon split and now we have nexus.
Do we have to have another split before we sit down and wonder what is going on?
How many times do we have to go down to the well before we believe the well is empty?
You know why I rock the boat?
I care.
If I did not, I wouldn't bother.
I have friends on nexus, but I am not a member.
I am still here.
Bill is part of the problem.
Now I hear you all getting your backs up again, because I am telling the truth.
That doesn't mean he is bad, it simply means he is part of the problem.
As such he HAS to be part of the solution too, or it won't be solved and all this work is wasted.
I think part of the problem is that we are all on different wavelengths and have different beliefs.
I made mistakes in this thread and I apologised and made it right.
Bill for some reason struggles with that.
Until he masters this, he will not be the master of his own destiny, he will react to other people jerking his chain.
That isn't good for him, me, you, avalon, nexus, camelot.
If I am the only one here that can see that and will risk my account to tell you this, so be it.
My advice is to fix this now, while we can before it causes yet another split.
I don't have all the answers, but I am willing to find them.

[Teakai]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Let me say this.
I believe Bill.
What he wrote, is not necessarily what he meant, that is the problem.
We need to choose our words carefully, that is what law is all about.
All I am asking for is for him to admit he wrote different to what he meant, apologise and we all move on.
If I changed his statement to something less politically correct, I could and probably would get banned.
Why is it ok to bash whites in Australia, but not anyone else?
What have we done to deserve that?

But...isn't it true? When the whites came to Australia they totally scr*wed up everything.
But when it's all boiled down to the nitty gritty, your average white people were/are just as much victims to the system as the black people.

[Teakai]

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
Race. In the beginning it was the human race, and in the end it was the human race. All these labels we keep applying to particular members of the human race needs to stop in order for the human race to move on. When we finally get THIS clue we are going to find that there is no color that seperates the true light that resides within us all.

Agreed. It's not at all the colour - that's just an easy identifier- it's more the culture and the attatchments one holds in regard to it that are doing the damage. In regard to Australian one culture destroyed another.
They were totally incompatible.
One culture knew nothing of ownership while the other was all about ownership. One culture believed they belonged to the land, the other believed the land belonged to them.
It was always doomed with such a mindset.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Let me say this.
I believe Bill.
What he wrote, is not necessarily what he meant, that is the problem.
We need to choose our words carefully, that is what law is all about.
All I am asking for is for him to admit he wrote different to what he meant, apologise and we all move on.
If I changed his statement to something less politically correct, I could and probably would get banned.
Why is it ok to bash whites in Australia, but not anyone else?
What have we done to deserve that?

But...isn't it true? When the whites came to Australia they totally scr*wed up everything.
But when it's all boiled down to the nitty gritty, your average white people were/are just as much victims to the system as the black people.

We are told that, but is it true?
Did the whites really screw the nation up? How much is poticially correct rubbish?
We will never know, until we kill this racism madness.
Political correctness is like a gastic band for the intellect.

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
Race. In the beginning it was the human race, and in the end it was the human race. All these labels we keep applying to particular members of the human race needs to stop in order for the human race to move on. When we finally get THIS clue we are going to find that there is no color that seperates the true light that resides within us all.

Agreed. It's not at all the colour - that's just an easy identifier- it's more the culture and the attatchments one holds in regard to it that are doing the damage. In regard to Australian one culture destroyed another.
They were totally incompatible.
One culture knew nothing of ownership while the other was all about ownership. One culture believed they belonged to the land, the other believed the land belonged to them.
It was always doomed with such a mindset.

And you proved my point, it is not about skin colour, it is all about economics/money.
The system created this to play divide and conquer and this very thread is evidence that not only does it work, it is still working, even here where we think we are more ''advanced'' than others.
But are we?

[Davidallany]

The truth is it doesn't matter to what people or culture one belongs, for now we are humans living on Earth in the narrow sense of things, as none physical entities temporarily occupying container called bodies. All men are equally my brothers and all women are equally my sisters. Why can't we look at all people with the same feeling? We must not forget that we are existing in a scenario as though watching a movie, it is as solid as dreams are. And some dreams appear really solid. Why do we feel pain if our so called relatives are attacked or our so called countries are destroyed? why don't we feel the same pain if a bird's nest is destroyed? the ego self believes the five senses and will not let go of associations, mine and me, because it fears losing part of it's identity, a sense of something being taken away from it, but death always proofs it wrong. Where all identifying breaks apart, where is the pride? where is mine and me? my victories and defeats? We must live in friendship and look beyond the five senses, bringing back love and trust, cooperating; not competing, slowly bringing ourselves to the now and abiding there free of delusions.
It is possible, for we are it. Where did my words come from? if I believe they are mine like most people outside of Avalon do then I am associating with the self and adding to it's affirmation of me and mine. If the self relaxes though and allow the higher self to act through it, then we act without attachment to the goals,we simply allow acting in the now and observe it without association.