The sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues

[Jendayi]

i vote we agree on NOT building a third "Death Star"..
sorry folks.. it's getting late here in holland and i'm becoming giddy.. of to bed for me...
Good night, sleep tight and don't let the web bots bite
sweet dreams every one!

[9eagle9]

No I cannot clarify the issue, that is Lord Sid's role to in the focus formation. That doesn't mean I don't know what the issue means that I'd be imposing on his part in achieving clarity. He is so busy defending himself that he can't bring it out into clarity. I don't have LS's agreement on the matter of mediation and its his issue to open to mediation. I can't impose or suggest anything without his agreement.

If you want an answer though basically this not a safe environment to allow for clarity. My goal (not intention) is to make it safe others cooperation is needed.

Posted by blake (here)
So that is what is going to be mediated an agreement not an opinion.

I know you mean well but right now there's too many opinions and not enough focus. LS is attempting to hold focus and he can't because there's so many opinions blurring the issue.

Hello 9Eagale9,

Could you clarify exactly what the issue is that is being blurred?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

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[ulli]

...everybody here is right except the lawyers...

And Bill is right 100 % since it's his forum,
AND in addition he is showing that he's got STYLE....

something others here could learn about

(Ah, shoot, I forgot...style is something you're born with...you either got it, or you don't...
back to my sushi now....)

[Teakai]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I get very irritated with all the squabbling over stupid crap when he have urgent things to begin working on.
What could be more important than the survival of most of the people on the planet, I don't know.

Stupid crap like what exactly? Perceived offences stupid crap?

Just to say - you guys should probably make up a new thread about what you really want to discuss if you don't want interruptions - and make it clear from the start that you really want it to stay on course. Otherwise you're going to get all kinds of interruptions from people newly tuning in and still thinking it's about the topic in the title thread.

Maybe it could be called - "The survival of people on the planet" or something more to the point?
Just sayin'.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by edina (here)
Lord Sidoius, I offer my hand in help as best as I know how.

I have come to similar understandings as you, without the benefit of anyone telling me anything about anyone.

I can see the misunderstandings that abound around Bill, that seems to come from a difficulty on his part to accept that he may have made mistakes and to apologise for them.

I see this from his own writings, in this Bill has born witness with himself.

And I can appreciate the desire for Bill to be included in the coming disclosure process, but as I said in one of my earliest posts, when I was talking about the "33". I've learned a long time ago, the hard way, that it is difficult to work with someone who has no desire to work with you.

I believe allowing ourselves to completely accept Bill, as he is, may be one of the ways forward here. Although, I do agree, if he could become open and examine his heart, and become okay with his humanity, it would undoubtedly smooth the way.

He does carry the weight of his personal power...

As for the 3 forums working together, for the good of all life. There is in my mind a real necessity for this. I would like to help in anyway I can.

And, I agree with Dennis, this will eventually become viral. However, I feel we need to work some kinks out, these forums working in unique and yet, cooperative creational ways will strengthen what eventually becomes viral.

Again, I want people to know, I derive at my personal opinions here, souly by what I see and read in the public arena. Except for a few personal experiences that Life has sent my way to help me learn what is most gracious for me to know next...

I suspect that I am a bit of an odd duck, in that I have chosen to prepare both physically, and metaphysically, PEMS, physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual. I still think way to many people try to force either/or decisions when in reality there is plenty of room for and/and.

Count me in , LS, because I love the child!!!!

Thanks for the assistance and the encouragement.
That is much appreciated.
I have learnt much in this thread myself.
I am not perfect and I make/made mistakes too.
One of the things I learnt is not to strike back when someone slaps me.
I am not by nature a pacifist, I am the opposite. I have been told I could start a fight in an empty room.
But I did not strike back at those who struck out at me, so that lesson was invaluable.
I also learnt that there are many here who believe they are advanced/enlightened, but don't use their ablities to figure out what is going on, they just react.
I forgive them too, they helped me to learn that lesson, I also thank you all for that.
I hold no grudges, it isn't about that.
I would like to suggest to everyone to reflect on this and find out what you learnt, what effect your participation in this thread resulted in.
The moderation staff has been fantastic in this. I got PMs and skype calls to try and sort all this out the best way for me and for you avalonuggets.
Thanks moderationuggets, much appreciated.

I am going to think about the best way to move forward from here.
We had enough trainwrecking for a while.

[9eagle9]

Thank you.

Posted by 777 (here)

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
Definitely, let's "celebrate the organic nature of the converse we can now have as a result."

My comments came from reading this thread all in a row and being struck by the sudden change. When did the participants shift? After an announcement. Is that blame or assessment?

If we can forget the people involved for a second and assess purely the motives then I see no need for blame on either part, only gratitude for the interaction at all. Hitherto, this was stalled. The announcement may appear the catalyst, but non-involvement (on Bill's part) was the slow burner catalyst too.......otherwise the equal and opposite reaction would have not occurred.

What a tangled web we weave, but at least we're weaving it again. The concept of 9eagle9's last post is highly desirable in this respect. Change and growth are always catalysed by reaction in my (oh so ever-ready to be changed/developed) opinion.

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

I will make one more post and one more post only on this thread. This is it.

• There will be no merger between Avalon and any other forum. For anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please go and browse Above Top Secret, Godlike Productions, or Rumor Mill News. And then come back here to report what you find. (You should actually do this. This is not just rhetoric.)
• Any human being is free to talk to any other human being (in my world), but I won't be taking part in any dialog with any moderators of any other forum.
• Please see the last few minutes (starting at 12:46) of the trailer of Inelia's interview to understand how timelines work. I (and Inelia) have chosen a timeline in which no terrible catastrophe occurs. Others are welcome to join us.
  
  

Here's the lowdown - and it's important to fully understand:

If anyone wants to experience such an incident as Lord Sidious would like us to believe may occur no matter what, then they're totally free to do so. It's not my role to convince others not to play a particular game if that's what they want to do, for whatever reasons of their own.

A word of caution which is 100% serious: if you agree to be convinced that this kind of thing will occur, that you may (consciously or unconsciously) buy into the idea and therefore change your own timeline. This is how it works.

Friendly advice: don't do that. Much easier than stockpiling on food, guns and gold. I didn't come to Planet Earth to do that. The future I experience will be very different. I invite any of you to experience that with me.

If any of that made little sense, or seemed confusing, then (I ask you again) do watch the interview trailer starting at 12:46. Thanks.

A transcript of that section:

Inelia: Each individual on the planet has control over their own timeline. And that's one of the things that the elite don't want you to know.

Because if the person is able to change their timeline, they're not going to choose one where they're enslaved for the rest of their life.

They're going to choose one where they can manifest whatever they like, and live wherever they like, and have a beautiful life.

So when we're talking about "how we change the timeline", the correct question would be "have I changed my timeline" - and joining with those others who want the same timeline that I want.

Bill: Now... I've got the visual metaphor of "the timeline" as actually being this big braided rope made up of millions of little threads which are intertwined in any number of different permutations to make a timeline.

And each one of us creates that thread as we wish, and aligns ourselves with others who are creating their threads as they wish...

Inelia: Exactly. And you have a conscious choosing of that thread, and threading, and joining. You no longer have enslavement. It's impossible.

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I will say no more on this, as it adds fuel to something that is not the purpose of this forum.

The principal purpose of this forum is to encourage and support positive, constructive, and high quality dialog and networking with the goal of creating the future on Planet Earth for ourselves and our children that we want to experience.

[777]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I get very irritated with all the squabbling over stupid crap when he have urgent things to begin working on.
What could be more important than the survival of most of the people on the planet, I don't know.

Stupid crap like what exactly? Perceived offences stupid crap?

Just to say - you guys should probably make up a new thread about what you really want to discuss if you don't want interruptions - and make it clear from the start that you really want it to stay on course. Otherwise you;re going to get all kinds of interuptions from people newly tuning in and still thining it's about the topic in the title thread.

Maybe it could be called - "The survival of people on the planet" or something more to the point?
Just sayin'.

I love your posts Teakai. A spade really is a spade.......but to play devil's advocate (with only furtherment intended, rather than offence), why disempower your sovereignty in not making that thread yourself? I'm sensing this is the point in this discourse, though I (as yet!) have no evidence..

[loveandgratitude]

THREE CUPS OF COFFEE and I am still wading through this.

Basic rules for a good mystery novel........ Never reveal the secrets too quickly........keep everyone guessing. What is going to happen next? More importantly, how is it going to end? Happy or sad.
A good book always leaves the reader with a ladder to climb out of the hole. To give a sense of empowerment, hope, encouragement. I choose a happy ending.

I really anticpate that this epic story does have a happy ending.

[Teakai]

Posted by 777 (here)
I love your posts Teakai. A spade really is a spade.......but to play devil's advocate (with only furtherment intended, rather than offence), why disempower your sovereignty in not making that thread yourself? I'm sensing this is the point in this discourse, though I (as yet!) have no evidence..

I'm not interested in doing so 777. I have no particular interest in 'survival'. Like I said in an earlier post - I've already charted this trip - I just have to follow my heart and my insinct.

It was more of a helpful hint to those wishing for the thread to be about survival and what M'lord is eventually(?) going to dislcose and not be interrupted with the previous topic.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Dear Friends,

I will make one more post and one more post only on this thread. This is it. [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][LIST][*]There will be no merger between Avalon and any other forum. For anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please go and browse Above Top Secret, Godlike Productions, or Rumor Mill News. And then come back here to report what you find. (You should actually do this. This is not just rhetoric.)[*]Any human being is free to talk to any other human being (in my world), but I won't be taking part in any dialog with any moderators of any other forum.

I am sorry that you got the wrong idea from what I posted.
I never said anything about forum mergers, that must have been gained from reading between the lines.
I agree bill, it wouldn't work.

[Anchor]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The principal purpose of this forum is to encourage and support positive, constructive, and high quality dialog and networking with the goal of creating the future on Planet Earth for ourselves and our children that we want to experience.

You know, I think that this should be more prominent and permanent somewhere. It would help a lot.

[norman]

Well.

That final post by Bill has just about said it.

"IF" I believe his view of a choice of timeline, I would regard that as a decent mission statement.

Obviously, there are other views of what's going down here on planet earth and the main big one that Bill has 'crossed' with that statement is that he is calling for division by self selection.

There are background world views behind all such statements. I'm uncomfortable with the one that agrees most whole heartedly with the world view that made this mess in the first place.

[blake]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
No I cannot clarify the issue, that is Lord Sid's role to in the focus formation. That doesn't mean I don't know what the issue means that I'd be imposing on his part in achieving clarity. He is so busy defending himself that he can't bring it out into clarity. I don't have LS's agreement on the matter of mediation and its his issue to open to mediation. I can't impose or suggest anything without his agreement.

If you want an answer though basically this not a safe environment to allow for clarity. My goal (not intention) is to make it safe others cooperation is needed.

Hello 9Eagle9,

Thank you for your answer. And I commend you for having the goal of making this "a safe environment for clarity." I think clarity of the issue is paramount,;and I think I understand why you write that this is not a safe envirnoment to allow for clarity. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all could reflect on the statement that this is not a safe environment for clarity, and how that could, if true, affect the level and depth of our communciation on our forum.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[ulli]

Thanks Bill.

I KNEW it...you're one of us !!!!

And yet I'm following you like a faithful puppy even though I knew all of this LONG before you did, hehe....

don't want anyone thinking this is a guru/disciple paradigm here

just feel that the wind needs to be taken out of the sails of a few pirate ships on this stormy ocean...

[777]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by 777 (here)
I love your posts Teakai. A spade really is a spade.......but to play devil's advocate (with only furtherment intended, rather than offence), why disempower your sovereignty in not making that thread yourself? I'm sensing this is the point in this discourse, though I (as yet!) have no evidence..

I'm not interested in doing so 777. I have no particular interest in 'survival'. Like I said in an earlier post - I've already charted this trip - I just have to follow my heart and my insinct.

It was more of a helpful hint to those wishing for the thread to be about survival and what M'lord is eventually(?) going to dislcose and not be interrupted with the previous topic.

Edit: The Ace of Spades. God-speed to you. We're/I'm (same thing ultimately) very lucky you're here.

[Teakai]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Some get it, some don't, some refuse to get it.
I can only post what I post, I can't do anything else.
I am no more perfect than you are.
Did I make mistakes in this thread? Yes, I did.
Do other posters need to keep banging on that? Probably not.
The question I have for you, is how are you and your family going to survive?

Like what, M'lord?

What mistake did you make?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Some get it, some don't, some refuse to get it.
I can only post what I post, I can't do anything else.
I am no more perfect than you are.
Did I make mistakes in this thread? Yes, I did.
Do other posters need to keep banging on that? Probably not.
The question I have for you, is how are you and your family going to survive?

Like what, M'lord?

What mistake did you make?

You already know, why ask the question when you have the answer?

[Teakai]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Some get it, some don't, some refuse to get it.
I can only post what I post, I can't do anything else.
I am no more perfect than you are.
Did I make mistakes in this thread? Yes, I did.
Do other posters need to keep banging on that? Probably not.
The question I have for you, is how are you and your family going to survive?

Like what, M'lord?

What mistake did you make?

You already know, why ask the question when you have the answer?

Well hells bells. I thought the mistake was taking offence at Bill's comment. Yet you still feel he ought to make an apology. Why would you be asking Bill to apologise for your mistake?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Some get it, some don't, some refuse to get it.
I can only post what I post, I can't do anything else.
I am no more perfect than you are.
Did I make mistakes in this thread? Yes, I did.
Do other posters need to keep banging on that? Probably not.
The question I have for you, is how are you and your family going to survive?

Like what, M'lord?

What mistake did you make?

You already know, why ask the question when you have the answer?

Well hells bells. I thought the mistake was taking offence at Bill's comment. Yet you still feel he ought to make an apology. Why would you be asking Bill to apologise for your mistake?

Go back and read my posts, I already said what I did wrong.