Timelines, what are your views? A focus: Inelia's claim of timelines....

[enfoldedblue]

I think one of the most important things to bring into this discussion is the fact that essentially we are trying to understand a multi-dimensional experience with our physical minds. Though I don't think it is impossible, it is certainly challenging. I have come to believe that there are infinite timelines, realities, dimensions and versions of ourselves. Lately I have been becoming more aware of aspects of myself that exist in different dimensions. I have never had a conscious experience of shifting timelines though.

I do believe that it is possible to shift timelines, but probably not that easy as just saying you're doing it. Imagine if we could just tell people with cancer "oh no problem...just shift to a timeline where you don't have cancer". That would be good, but obviously it is not so simple...as Omniverse points out. I believe that we are ultimately all incredible multi-faceted/dimensional beings, and part of us is having a physical 3D experience. While in our complete state I believe we can jump around dimensions and timelines, but, the nature of this physical existence is limiting by nature. I think part of the goal of the parts of us here in the physical reality at this time is to re-member our true selves. The more we learn to connect with the parts of ourselves beyond the physical realm, the more I feel we will be able to transcend the limitations of the physical, and open ourselves up to more multi-dimesional experiences.

Anyway very limited time for me at the moment, and such a complex subject. Looking forward to seeing how this thread develops.

Thanks for posting Omniverse

LOVE ALLways, c

[ponda]

There's some in depth Timeline info on this link:

http://montalk.net/matrix/122/timeline-dynamics

From the article:

The rules of time travel are rooted in quantum physics. Understanding these rules reveals much about the behavior of hyperdimensional beings and the reason for certain metaphysical laws. Timeline dynamics is essentially about temporal feedback loops between the present and its available range of probable futures. This is just realm dynamics reinterpreted from the perspective of linear time, which affords additional insights as you will see. Although timeline dynamics sounds abstract, it has concrete applications pertaining to manifesting positive synchronicities, deflecting hyperdimensional manipulation, bending probability, and transcending matrix limitations.

Except for feelings of deja vu, we would not naturally notice a timeline edit since our memories would change as well. We can trace the string back and find it winds a continuous path, meaning all consequences of the timeline change are consistently accounted for by preceding causes when examined. As a result, we normally remember only the most recent edit as being the past that always was.

So from our perspective time is constant, singular, and permanent. From a higher perspective, time is variable in its rate of flow and selective in its configuration. Our perception of time, like the flow of time within a movie or novel, is an illusion. The string exists from beginning to end, simultaneously, but its path is open to revision. True time moves forward not with the tick of a clock but the making of a choice. That which is inevitable has already happened.

Summary

In a nutshell, according to quantum physics we are caught in mutual feedback loops with all our probable futures. The greater the probability of a particular future, the stronger the feedback loop, the more tangibly beings from that future can interact with you in the present. By choosing to become more positive and aware, you establish mutual reinforcement with positive futures and thereby increase the number of miracles necessary to evolve you into those futures. The enormous implications I will leave to your imagination and experimentation.

[CyRus]

I can only speak from theoretical physics, where there is a theory (a rather speculative one) regarding Parallel Universes. This is in an attempt to explain free-will, due to the fact that according to Einstein time is regarded as the fourth-dimension, and viewed as a continuous sequence. With this interpretation, free will cannot exist as every action is predetermined.

Parallel Universes 'solves' this paradox whereby in the moment of each choice, the universe branches, thus incorporating this new timeline in a parallel universe. This theory is based purely on mathematics and speculation though, and therefore impossible to falsify. My problem with this is the fact that it seems very convoluted!

[mosquito]

This is indeed a very complex issue, made more so by our own language. To keep things short, may I suggest another word, like "script", you write the script for your life and only include the things you are happy to experience. As I write this, I feel objections coming up, so instead of being more verbose, I'll say how I see this in meditation:
I see AND FEEL myself as a plant, normally a tree. I grow according to a blueprint, I am who I always was and always will be. At different stages throughout my life, I have different awarenesses, but I am still the tree, not a cat, not a daffodil. This is connecting with my primal energy - the essence of who I am. I continue envisioning this essence, this blueprint moving from my roots to my leaves.
Now of course, we hit the "free will" problem, My current understanding, through experience, is that "free will" has its' limits, one can only operate within the scope of one's blueprint. So I CAN become a teacher, a pilot, a soldier. I CANNOT become a mouse mat, a pencil sharpener or a shirt.
I wanted that to be simple, maybe it isn't !!!
I also strongly feel that we first of all need to focus on getting ourselves sorted out, living according to our true nature. That after all is all we really can do. As soon as you start creating scripts, and designing your future, you automatically involve other people, that's where it gets hairy.
I'm obviously not very eloquent tonight !

[Teakai]

Hi Omniverse, from reading Michael Newton's books I got that we have options that we can choose throughout our life - but sometimes these may be altered by some other souls choice.

For instance - (and this is an example from memory as it's been a while since I read it) there was one particular client who had chosen as one of her options to grow old with her husband - except her husband died early in their marriage. This is because he excercised that particular option in his own selection of options, which then wiped out the wife having that option available to her to use.

There was another example of a young girl who was to open the door of a carriage and fall out and become a cripple. She said (in soul memory while under hypnosis) that she didn't have to go through with it - but she did. The reason being was that that particular life she'd chosen was all about what she would learn living life in a crippled state.

I don't know how conscioulsy we are able to make these choices. I rather feel they are under soul control and we from that vantage point will choose our options.

[9eagle9]

Changing a timeline is subtle and simple. We grasp on to these concepts like they are HUGE constructs. They aren't. We shift and support timelines every day by the choices we make on a daily basis. Everything in life, everything that has ever been built has come from an idea or a belief. Change those and we change our lives. Or time line. Our lives are unraveled out on a timeline.

What is being asked here is: IF you don't want a particular scenario for yourself do what is necessary TO yourself to adjust YOUR timeline. Creating your reality.

I've seen a zillion people in here talk about how they changed their time line and I doubt they knew their actions were effecting an adjustment in timeline. Its just there, and I figured I didn't need to mention no more than I need to point out to people that when they take a deep breath that will be followed by a long exhale as well. I guess I do have to point that out.

When you ID a core value you didn't realize you had and alter it to a more beneficial one--you've changed your timeline. That which was holding you back or navigating you in a way that is not optimal to your quality of life is gone. Your life changes .

Did you get off the old dogma train and embrace more positive forms of spiritual expression and attitude? You changed your timeline.

Did you lose your fear? You changed your time line. No you didn't change the WORLD over night , you changed your timeline.


Did you work through some old abuse and trauma at a subconscious level? You changed your timeline.

I would suggest this is why Bill and Inelia are introducing working with body memory, it helps to support to changing your time line because below the conscious influence that is bringing pressure to bear on you in the NOW is lifted out. There was no suggestion that your time line must precisely match Bill and Inelias. They invited you to share in their timeline, not ASSUME it. I mean within a timeline such as they are suggesting there is room to maneuver to accommodate personal preference.

Cause and effect.

Who complicates this stuff? We do. We take this stuff and clutter it up beyond comprehension, so it become SO titanic we can't muster the energy or courage to do it. Why? I see this all the time, a very basic simply executed process is blown so far out of proportion no one is tempted to undertake it.

Just do it. Take one facet of your life and change it. If you can do one you can do others. If yo don't well..its not because the process is faulty, its because one is unwilling to do it.


It just takes a little willingness.

[ponda]

One way of looking at it might be that the Universe/Creator has our path/life planned/mapped out for us but gives us the perception of free will as a type of gift or learning tool.When we come to say a major timeline divergence point we are given the free will to make our choice of which direction we take BUT we might be given some inspiration so as to make a certain choice.What choice we end up making might be the be the most beneficial one for us.It might not be the easiest path that we take because of this choice but it might give us the most valuable lesson or experience.

[motherlove]

It is not easy to explain this concept in words. If you use your intellect or education to explain it or break it down it will elude you because education is a program written by someone possibly who could not comprehend the experiencial nature of reality. It is what it is and once experienced cannot be denied. I see it as your thoughts words deeds and beliefs creating the reality you have if your timeline is not desired possibly these areas of conceptualisation need to be examined and healed. My take is there is nothing to fear but fear itself once you get past that the possibilities are endless. Best Wishes to All.

[norman]

Why do I get the impression this discussion is going to get very,

Cavaliers v Roundheads

Republicans v Democrats

Tories v Union Reps

Hey, that's it, I've got it!

It works both ways!, yea we can create a different timeline, but, there IS a timeline constantly at work on us too. We are just as much a product of a timeline as a timeline is a product of us.

[The Truth Is In There]

if time is an illusion, timelines must de facto also be illusions. the way i understand it time exists only here in our 3rd dimensional reality on earth because this is a school and we're here to learn and grow. we are all tiny little parts of our higher selves who operate outside time and from our limited perspective we can neither know what's going to happen nor can we change it if it goes against the plan of our higher self.

the reason why we're here at all, where there's so much negativity, is because negativity, hardship and discomfort facilitate growth, much more so than the easy life of other beings such as pleiadians for example. our higher selves have chosen this path in order to grow more rapidly and we are the parts that have the "honour" to play a vital role in that game of soul growth and development.

it is correct that we can change our personal lives to a certain degree, but if that change goes against the plan of the higher self, as might be the case in omni's situation, you can try forever and it won't work. the secret is to accept what is and don't judge it. use the situation you're in to the best of your ability and know that the great plan is always to become a more loving, compassionate and benevolent being. the harder you have to try to become that being the more you actually grow, so what may look as negative circumstances from our limited point of view is not necessarily negative if seen from a higher perspective.

thus, if i expect the apocalypse to hit in 2012 i don't see that as something negative at all, the way most people perceive it, but as a means to help me and my higher self to grow. i feel that this is why i'm here, why my life has developed as it has and why i have accumulated knowledge during the last few years that didn't interest me before (health and nutrition as one example). i feel that i'm being guided and prepared for what's to come and if i look back on my life i can see the red thread and it becomes obvious that everything has happened for a reason, to bring me to the point where i'm now.

so, for me the bottom line is that i look forward to whatever happens and it doesn't matter if people try to change their timeline or not because everyone will experience exactly what is right for him/herself, from the soul's or higher self's point of view (which is not necessarily the same as your "limited" self's).

[Anchor]

Why are time-lines important? To whom are they important? Why is the consideration of "changing" timelines important? Who exercises the control to do it?

Timelines exist because of freewill! Without freewill there is no meaningful "navigation" or "changing" of timelines, and freewill means that everyone including you, up to the moment of choice is kept guessing as to what happens next! Perhaps even the creator is kept guessing? Perhaps that was the point in the first place. To let the infinite-panopoly of cosmic chips fall where they may themselves decide to fall and simply see what happens!

When you are attempting to contemplate the notion of a timeline you are contemplating something that is abstract from the "now" moment. You move into the notions of past and future - and these only exist in our illusion because of the physical dimension of time. Time is an essential component of our illusiory experience and helps us conceive of and be aware of cause and effect in a one way stream of moments.

However, many thinkers have advanced that this is not the main issue. The main issue is NOW.

Be here now - Ram Dass
The Power of Now - Eckhart Tolle

This is thinking beyond and transcending time, and so also beyond and transcending the manifest illusion.

Dont do that! It upsets TPTB! They need you in the illusion and unaware that there is anything else! So please keep worrying about timelines and which one to choose because TPTB will be very grateful

I hope this helps in challenging the completeness of thinking in this super thread!

John..

[Calz]

What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?

If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???

Not talking about pre-destined outcomes in life but (allegedly) we have a "blueprint" or "roadmap" of what our soul is expected to learn or experience.

Omni ... perhaps you have answered this in your other posts/threads but have you ever inquired about the possibility of having a "contract" to experience what you are in this lifetime??? I expect that your situation is so far beyond most all of our "realities" that there is no way to really comprehend what you have gone through.

[norman]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?

If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???

If true, it would, but where did this notion come from?

Can someone tell me that for sure?

It may turn out to be some kind of adopted 'comfort' that has crept into the language from 'who knows where'?

[Anchor]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?

If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???

Not talking about pre-destined outcomes in life but (allegedly) we have a "blueprint" or "roadmap" of what our soul is expected to learn or experience.

If I have understood you correctly, I touched on in the inelia thread ---> here <--- if you want to read the whole thing in context or...

> Is the soul conditional or not?

In my initial contemplation of this, I had the image of a river of water running down a hill.

Its flow is bounded by conditions the river bank. Therefore its mode of expression is bounded by external conditions, but the water within itself is also subject to a myriad of turbulence, whirlpools, eddies and currents that appear random, but if you knew all the conditions it would be conditional on them and predictable. The river exists in our co-created illusion. We did it. We created that river at levels of our being that are hidden from us at this time. We don't even know we did it more often than not.

I view the soul - my definition of which is the eternal focus of our beingness that has presence in space/time while incarnated and time/space while not. It is an individualized fragment of the one infinite creator, and necessarily has individual qualities in its "now" moment that are based on its path and experience. This as you have referenced is recorded on the very fabric of creation known as akasha (the hall of records). This soul also has a focus in me which is the same as the focus in you and why we are as one - the infinite focus point that they all have.

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That is why I have said, the two basic things in the universe that you need to be aware of - as an individualized expression of the one - are you and everything else in this moment.

In a sense the soul is self-conditioned, it took a mode of incarnation and took on the constraints of a manifest illusion, so powerful that it seems real to the extent of even creating a situation that this very fact is suppressed. Paradox. So I also think the answer is both conditioned by the requirements of the moment, and unconditional in the context of the infinite and boundlessness of the one infinite creation.

You and I both have souls. We are limitless in our power, but we have chosen to limit this to experience that limited mode, and in so doing we play our part in infinite consciousness by conditioning ourselves unconditionally.

Consequently conditions come and go as we decide it. We are making it up as we go along. At the same time according to the laws of attraction and like attracts like, groups of individuals with similar characteristics and conditions will group together.

The answer therefore, to me at this time, is both.

Does that address your question - if not please have another go, because I would like to have a stab at it and see what happens.

John..

[9eagle9]

Yes , but we can't impose the physical mind on the mulit dimensional experience. The multi dimenstional experience can and will impose influence on the physical which is what we are talking about here.

In order to do this you don't even have to believe in it. The multi dimensional experince doesn't require belief, the physical mind does.

Which is what the mind is looking for something to believe or think about. If it doesn't make sense to the mind the mind will discard it before one has a chance to benefit from it. This is just something you do, regardless if you believe in it or not. It just takes a bit of willingness to do so. When it expresses itself, you KNOW it works.

I'm DOING it. And knowing that I'm not that much different than other people, I know other people can do it to. My entire life's work has been composed around mentoring people through the process. Those who don't have the willingess to do it aren't in a very good place to say it doesn't work. I mean what sort of happy HS is that? "No I never attepted it but no it doesn't work?

What told them that. The physical mind. The multidimensional expression says otherwise. In fact it don't say nothing at all, it just happens.

When my mind interferes on any sort of SELF work I tell it to shut up. I suspect because i'm basically a nice person, that is why I feel like every moment of the day to tell people to shut TFU because its their minds chattering away making every rationalization in the world NOT to do something while their higher expression struggles to urge them to a better place.

You want an assurance that this works? A guarantee?

DO IT.

Yes. I say exactly that. EXACTLY what you said. Cancer? No problem. Lets see what you got in your timeline? Oh a subconscious contract. Lets rewrite it. Cancer is a no brainer.
I can't think of anything less challenging than cancer. CAncer is EASY, getting my darned house clean is HARD.

Can YOU Understand that as a lay person? Without the 'experience of it?"

. No.

Can I understand its a no brainer as a natural medicine practitioner? Yes. Does it make me wrong when its expressed in my life DAILY that cancer is a no brainer, just because you believe otherwise. That its not expressed in YOUR timeline but it is in mine makes MY timeline wrong? or incorrect. Which is the more positive timeline? Does it make me special? No I'm composed of the same stuff you are. You have something I don't have. An opposing BELIEF the physical mind has created.

I smoke like a chimney. Smoke smoke smoke, puff puff puff. People are always asking me. Aren't you afraid of getting cancer? No. Why would I THINK or BELIEVE that? I KNOW otherwise.

Well you will look old and dried up by the time your 30, they say just oozing this smug assurance.

Wel I'm 45. My physical appearance is reflecting my change in timeline, and the beliefs and thinking attached to my former timeline. When I was 35 I looked 50 I was in that bad of shape from MS. Not anymore. YOu would think that would be evidence enough for people my own self expression. Its not. I'm simply a 33 year old woman lying about her age so people will believe she's pushing 50 just for ****zngiggles even though my ID and birth certificate state otherwise. They'll rationalize that too. Anything. The mind will rationalize anything piling beliefs on like cake frosting to keep you from KNOWING your self expression.






SIMPLE. The SELF didn't complicate this, WE did.

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
I think one of the most important things to bring into this discussion is the fact that essentially we are trying to understand a multi-dimensional experience with our physical minds. Though I don't think it is impossible, it is certainly challenging. I have come to believe that there are infinite timelines, realities, dimensions and versions of ourselves. Lately I have been becoming more aware of aspects of myself that exist in different dimensions. I have never had a conscious experience of shifting timelines though.

I do believe that it is possible to shift timelines, but probably not that easy as just saying you're doing it. Imagine if we could just tell people with cancer "oh no problem...just shift to a timeline where you don't have cancer". That would be good, but obviously it is not so simple...as Omniverse points out. I believe that we are ultimately all incredible multi-faceted/dimensional beings, and part of us is having a physical 3D experience. While in our complete state I believe we can jump around dimensions and timelines, but, the nature of this physical existence is limiting by nature. I think part of the goal of the parts of us here in the physical reality at this time is to re-member our true selves. The more we learn to connect with the parts of ourselves beyond the physical realm, the more I feel we will be able to transcend the limitations of the physical, and open ourselves up to more multi-dimesional experiences.

Anyway very limited time for me at the moment, and such a complex subject. Looking forward to seeing how this thread develops.

Thanks for posting Omniverse

LOVE ALLways, c

[Jake]

Timelines?? I am beside myself. This is a brain-buster. I am instinctively aware of what we are referring to as 'timelines' too. Indeed, it is hard to wrap yer brain around. We still have a linear sense of things and that makes it a bit more difficult to understand. If you were to try and understand reincarnation from a non-linear (time) perspective then maybe it starts to make more sense. Stay with me for a minute: Lets forget about passed lives and incarnations for the sake of this thought experiment. Let us, instead, think about it like this: Maybe my next life/incarnation, I want to come back and live YOUR life. Or you want to come back and live someones life that you know and admire today, someone who is living physically at the same time as you. I consider this a likely possibility.. I can be you (next time) and you can be me (next time). If you follow through with this line of thinking, then eventually, (given that we have eternity to live lives and explore) we will have ALL lived EVERYONES lives, and there would be no other conclusion than WE ARE ALL ONE! In this timeline and any other.

As far as switching timelines goes,,, Once one has made the decision to take back their power and manifest their own reality (and timeline) their worlds change around them. Switching timelines is seamless, and you would never notice. I try not to look at it as 'there are so many possibilities, so many decisions that created new timelines'... Too much information for me!. We 'switch' timelines each time we make a decision. We will never notice, it is seamless. Once we are on another 'line' it becomes our reality, and we are never the wiser. IMOO! The concept of 'creating my own reality' became much more clear once I started thinking about it like that. (my very small linear brain trying to figure it out)

[9eagle9]

To clarify:

The basic premise we are talking about is true. I personally perceive the material that Bill and Inelia are talking about as over complicated and over languaged, trying too hard to substantiate something that will substantiate itself if given the change. TElling too much and not showing enough, but the basic premise , the foundation of the matter will express itself if the conditions are made for it. I can't disagree with the basic premise, I can only state there's much easier ways of executing it.

[Omni]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Omni ... perhaps you have answered this in your other posts/threads but have you ever inquired about the possibility of having a "contract" to experience what you are in this lifetime??? I expect that your situation is so far beyond most all of our "realities" that there is no way to really comprehend what you have gone through.

I have been told by beings claiming to be ETs(which I must note could be impersonations by the AI I deal with, I will never know unless they show me their bodies, ships hasn't been enough), that I did agree to this lifetime.

Posted by Jake
Maybe my next life/incarnation, I want to come back and live YOUR life. Or you want to come back and live someones life that you know and admire today, someone who is living physically at the same time as you. I consider this a likely possibility..

I was pondering that exact theory Jake a bit ago after making this thread, that we all get to live all lives(or at least a large portion of them). That we as souls can incarnate as any being in the multiverse, from a 'cube' of the multiverse, with a slightly open endedness to it, or hardcoded elements to it. This is a very fascinating subject and as always Avalonians show great intelligence and wisdom(even if some of us are essentially wrong with bits and pieces or all of our theories).

The theory you bring up is something I would love Jake. We get to be on Utopian planets with harmony, perfect ecological balance, and no ailments, long great lives(which I have signs of soulular inertia' of since young). And in other incarnations, we live, for example, my life, a rough road full of injustice and potent experiences.

What I wonder about, is soulular progression. What is the apex? What do we graduate into once we have reached a pinnacle of wisdom and experience? I wonder if our 'timeline travels' end at some point, and we become designers or something of a massive timeline. All of us, the dark, the light, the dark/light, and the light/dark.

Thanks all for the spectacular responses. I thought I would get a debate(among other things) and got something much better. Pressing thank you isn't enough. I must express my gratitude. Here is a picture to share



I wonder if anyone can think up or do(or find) a picture of holographic timelines that may fit into any good theory of timelines. If you get a good idea about it, and are an artist, it may be worth doing

[Calz]

Posted by norman (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?

If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???

If true, it would, but where did this notion come from?

Can someone tell me that for sure?

It may turn out to be some kind of adopted 'comfort' that has crept into the language from 'who knows where'?

I cannot ... nor would I dream of attempting to ... convince anyone of a 100% ironclad, static, etched in stone until the end of time certainty.

That includes our "solid" 3d "reality" that would seem to be a holographic illusion of solidity. What happens in between life ... how can anyone offer truth about that. Lots of near-death experiencers come back with similar experiences ... but that offers no "proof".

Anyway ... past (or in between) life regressionists (Delores Cannon comes to mind among many) brings up "contracts".

Proof ... of course not.

Omni is asking for input and opinions regarding timelines ... he didn't ask for proof of anything unless I seriously missed something.

[9eagle9]

Think about the contracts FIRST that you have created during your current incarnation.

Think about the daily contracts you make DAILY and see how they benefit you. Is the soul making those agreements or...is your mind doing it?

Here's a contract of mine. I tell myself okay. You will clean the whole house before piddling around on the computer. But then instead of taking care of business.....I go piddle away on the computer. Or go ride my horse, or do ANYTHING but by abiding by the contract. And then feel guilty. And all this pressure. And crap just keeps piling up, and my mind is going TSK TSK TSK you are just pathetic, lazy, unmotivated SLOB. Guilt guilt guilt, pressure, pressure pressure against tmy free spirit that says "Oh go horse around and have fun who cares about dishes, they aren't going away." I'm not in agreement with my own contract! Something smarter is telling me is all rather meaningless ?

In fact it goes against my preferred of living.Play first, work later (if you feel like it)

So finally I say this contract is causing me guilt. I'm getting rid of it. .I can kick it in the can. Which one will make me feel better? I'll make the agreement I'll work when I feel like working and stop letting my mind start making judgements on the pile of dishes in the sink.

Start tearing stuff like that down and you will get a clearer idea about other contracts. I won't lead you by the nose on that one, take care of ones created in this lifetime and then you can see for yourself what is going on , on a soul level.

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?

If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???

Not talking about pre-destined outcomes in life but (allegedly) we have a "blueprint" or "roadmap" of what our soul is expected to learn or experience.

Omni ... perhaps you have answered this in your other posts/threads but have you ever inquired about the possibility of having a "contract" to experience what you are in this lifetime??? I expect that your situation is so far beyond most all of our "realities" that there is no way to really comprehend what you have gone through.