Censorship here?

[K626]

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man with such logic and understanding of how the world works, and how those same unhealthy patterns can be seen even here on this forum, was banned. In my opinon, people in general could have benefited from his insights and enlarged their undersatnding of the poltics of human nature if the discussion could have evolved into a reflective mode of how each of us plays into the hands of TPTB in our daily relationships and interactions with others. For as what Chicodoodoo referenced, Avaolon is just a micro world of how the world at large acts.

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

That is pretty subjective. Guess who else uses subjective guidelines?

Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Serious overrating going on here. Are you his spin doctor?

iirc and I might be mistaken Chico was given a pretty long line by the mods and that went on for at least 2 weeks and then he comes back on the very same tack. He might have been intelligent but I think he had a serious lack of common sense, decorum and respect for other members. Read into that what you may.

K

[dan i el]

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man with such logic and understanding of how the world works, and how those same unhealthy patterns can be seen even here on this forum, was banned. In my opinon, people in general could have benefited from his insights and enlarged their undersatnding of the poltics of human nature if the discussion could have evolved into a reflective mode of how each of us plays into the hands of TPTB in our daily relationships and interactions with others. For as what Chicodoodoo referenced, Avaolon is just a micro world of how the world at large acts.

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

That is pretty subjective. Guess who else uses subjective guidelines?

Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Yes, I will stand with that. Chicodoodoo's primary strength was in constructive dissent angled from an egalitarian perspective. It is a shame that he was maligned as simply a redundant troublemaker to the spirit of the community.

[K626]

Posted by dan i el (here)

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man with such logic and understanding of how the world works, and how those same unhealthy patterns can be seen even here on this forum, was banned. In my opinon, people in general could have benefited from his insights and enlarged their undersatnding of the poltics of human nature if the discussion could have evolved into a reflective mode of how each of us plays into the hands of TPTB in our daily relationships and interactions with others. For as what Chicodoodoo referenced, Avaolon is just a micro world of how the world at large acts.

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

That is pretty subjective. Guess who else uses subjective guidelines?

Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Yes, I will stand with that. Chicodoodoo's primary strength was in constructive dissent angled from an egalitarian perspective. It is a shame that he was maligned as simply a redundant troublemaker to the spirit of the community.

Well that's what happens when you lack balance.

In good spirit I'll stop there as he can't defend himself.

But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call ths shots and continued to on it seems to me a one track war of attrition against the board.

YES I miss some of the people who have gone (not all) and yes there always has to be a re-energising of the agenda and terms of engagement on here...But it really is getting to the point that threads like this are just becoming a self-depretiating cycle of negativity.

K

[dan i el]

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man with such logic and understanding of how the world works, and how those same unhealthy patterns can be seen even here on this forum, was banned. In my opinon, people in general could have benefited from his insights and enlarged their undersatnding of the poltics of human nature if the discussion could have evolved into a reflective mode of how each of us plays into the hands of TPTB in our daily relationships and interactions with others. For as what Chicodoodoo referenced, Avaolon is just a micro world of how the world at large acts.

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

That is pretty subjective. Guess who else uses subjective guidelines?

Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Serious overrating going on here. Are you his spin doctor?

iirc and I might be mistaken Chico was given a pretty long line by the mods and that went on for at least 2 weeks and then he comes back on the very same tack. He might have been intelligent but I think he had a serious lack of common sense, decorum and respect for other members. Read into that what you may.

K

Mediation would surely have been the preferable route. He isn't exactly radioactive...ah, from Colorado - hmm, perhaps, then :/

[K626]

Posted by dan i el (here)

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man with such logic and understanding of how the world works, and how those same unhealthy patterns can be seen even here on this forum, was banned. In my opinon, people in general could have benefited from his insights and enlarged their undersatnding of the poltics of human nature if the discussion could have evolved into a reflective mode of how each of us plays into the hands of TPTB in our daily relationships and interactions with others. For as what Chicodoodoo referenced, Avaolon is just a micro world of how the world at large acts.

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

That is pretty subjective. Guess who else uses subjective guidelines?

Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Serious overrating going on here. Are you his spin doctor?

iirc and I might be mistaken Chico was given a pretty long line by the mods and that went on for at least 2 weeks and then he comes back on the very same tack. He might have been intelligent but I think he had a serious lack of common sense, decorum and respect for other members. Read into that what you may.

K

Mediation would surely have been the preferable route. He isn't exactly radioactive...ah, from Colorado - hmm, perhaps, then :/

I always liked him. But he was in charge of his own destiny. What can I say?

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by dan i el (here)

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man with such logic and understanding of how the world works, and how those same unhealthy patterns can be seen even here on this forum, was banned. In my opinon, people in general could have benefited from his insights and enlarged their undersatnding of the poltics of human nature if the discussion could have evolved into a reflective mode of how each of us plays into the hands of TPTB in our daily relationships and interactions with others. For as what Chicodoodoo referenced, Avaolon is just a micro world of how the world at large acts.

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

That is pretty subjective. Guess who else uses subjective guidelines?

Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Serious overrating going on here. Are you his spin doctor?

iirc and I might be mistaken Chico was given a pretty long line by the mods and that went on for at least 2 weeks and then he comes back on the very same tack. He might have been intelligent but I think he had a serious lack of common sense, decorum and respect for other members. Read into that what you may.

K

Mediation would surely have been the preferable route. He isn't exactly radioactive...ah, from Colorado - hmm, perhaps, then :/

I always liked him. But he was in charge of his own destiny. What can I say?

K

As are we all nugget, as are we all.
Chiconugget was like the rest of us, he has his flaws too, but I think he is a good guy.

[qbeac]

Note: I am also posting this post in the Project Camelot forum, at link:

Post #43407, pag. 129
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?op...emid=164#43407

Hello everyone,

Last night I came to the Avalon forum to check and see what was going on over here, and I happened to see this thread titled: “Censorship here?”

I read the first post by Chicodoodoo (Post #1, pag1), I thought he raised some very good points (especially the suggestion of having some sort of “checks and balances system” in the forum, with the moderating job, etc.), and I posted 3 posts in pages 1 and 3:

Post #14 (pag1), Post #44 (pag3), Post #52 (pag3)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post218969
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post219026

In those posts I basically say that I think Chicodoodoo’s suggestions are very good ones, and I talked about concepts such as “checks and balances”, separation of powers, freedom of speech, etc., which are all very healthy concepts in a free and open society.

However, today (Sunday morning, May-15-11) I come to the forum again and I see, to my great surprise, that Chicodoodoo has been banned (or deactivated? I don’t know if there is any difference?) by Paul in Post #99 (pag5) for what he said in Post #98, here:

Pag5. Post #98 by Chicodoodoo and Post #99 by Paul
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post219134

For all of you who don’t know what has happened, I encourage you to read those few pages of this thread (just 5 pages). Those are not many posts and you’ll be able to judge for yourself what has happened.

Well, in my opinion, I don’t see there is a good or reasonable reason to ban (or deactivate) Chicodoodoo. But before I explain why I think so, I’d like to say something about myself:

If you do a google search with some of the following terms and my nick (qbeac):

www.google.com

qbeac “project camelot”
qbeac “proyecto camelot”
qbeac “misión anglosajona”

… you’ll be able to realize that from the beginning, during the past few years (3 or 4), I have been a big follower and supporter of both Project Camelot and Project Avalon, and of both Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy. I have spread the word of PC-PA in as many Internet forums as I have been able to, especially in Spanish forums, and I have also translated (for free) a lot of Project Camelot material (texts, videos) from English to Spanish, which, btw, is a lot of work, very time consuming.

I have also told everybody in real life about PC-PA and Bill and Kerry and the whistleblowers videos: my family, friends, neighbours, etc.

But the reason why I have willingly, and happily, and enthusiastically spread the word of PC-PA, Bill and Kerry, is very clear:

Because after watching most of the PC-PA whistleblowers videos and material, I really believed PC-PA represented “the spirit of freedom and truth seeking ideals, values and principles” that I am all in favour of, and which is exactly the opposite of “the spirit of control, deception, intolerance, and censorship” of the society the elite (illuminati & Co.) have constructed to enslave us.

Otherwise, I would not have supported nor spread the word of PC-PA.

That being said, I’d like to give my personal opinion of the current incident: the banning (or deactivating) of Chicodoodoo:

This banning incident has reminded me of the famous JF Kennedy speech titled “The President and the Press” in which JFK says the following things about the concepts of freedom of speech, criticism of power, tolerance of that criticism by MSM and by the President, abuses of power and of the national security act to censor information and stifle dissent, etc.:

(Note: emphasis added in some important sentences)

JFK speech: "The President and the Press," before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, 27 April 1961
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-View...A-025-001.aspx

Brief excerpts:

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. (…)

… And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it’s in my control.

And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know. (…)

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive.

That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy.

And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution--not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion. (…)

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers -- I welcome it.

This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."

We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

---------------------------------

I find great parallels between what JFK says in his speech and this current banning incident at Avalon.

In that regards, Chicodoodoo was, with respect, pointing out possible errors (according to his own point of view and based on our freedom of speech), and he was suggesting possible solutions (the “checks and balances” system).

But, according to the concepts JFK explains in his speech regarding the dangers of abusing the power of “national security secrecy laws” in order to “censor the news, to stifle dissent”, etc., some decisions by Internet moderators to ban (deactivate) members could sometimes be interpreted in a similar way as in JFK’s speech, that is, as an excuse to stifle dissent or an abuse of the moderating power.

I also encourage anybody who may be interested in this subject, to open a Poll to find out how many Avalon members would be in favour of including a “checks and balances system” in the Avalon forum. A Poll is the only way to know it for sure and without recurring to speculations.

I am also thinking that, in this case, perhaps what has happened is that Paul may feel tired of doing the moderating job, because it is a hard job to do, and that could have caused for him to lower his level of tolerance, which is understandable. I don’t know if that’s the case, but it looks like it, or maybe there are other reasons…???

If that was the case (and I don’t know if it is or not), maybe Paul would simply need to rest for a while and leave his place (temporarily) to a fresh moderator. But only Paul could clarify what has happened.

In any case, my personal opinion is that, unless Paul gives a VERY GOOD explanation of his decision of banning (deactivating) Chicodoodo (and the one Paul gave in Post #99 is not a good one, in my opinion), his decision has been, imho, unnecessary, unfortunate, and it could even be argued that it could be unjust or even an abuse of the moderating power.

Therefore, I ask Bill Ryan the following two things:

1) Please, Bill, take a close look at these 5 pages, and please give us a very good explanation of why Chicodoodoo has been banned by Paul.

2) Please, Bill, if you think this ban was unnecessary or unjust, I ask you (Bill and Paul) to please apologize to Chicodoodoo and reinstate his membership.

If Bill Ryan (as the founder of this forum) does not give all of us a very good explanation of this incident (the banning of Chicodoodoo by Paul), or if he ignores it, I sadly need to say that, after all these years, I must withdraw my support from Bill Ryan and Paul.

That is not to say that I would withdraw my support from the whole PC-PA material, because there are many valuable things and people here, but the concepts about the spirit of freedom and truth seeking values and ideals I have tried to explain in this post with the JFK speech example are way too important and valuable to remain silent about them.

And as Martin Luther King once said:

"A time comes when silence is betrayal”

(MLK)

[blake]

Hello All,

I have read more than once on this forum, and have even been "accused of it by an Avalon moderator", that for some people controversy is their entertainment. And from a psychological perspective, that may have some merit mostly for people of an unbalanced nature. However, I am at a lost as how one can seek the truth, point out injustice, and wrong doings without kicking up controversy? Remember the McCarthy era?

When controversy happens, and there are people who unnecessarily inflame the issue, instead of having an intellectual and expansive discussion on it, or who are choosing instead not to participate in it, that is a method of people control. It is how the world works. You all know about professional provocateurs. Shall we say the Middle East, perhaps?

If Avalon was walking in light and love, for those who did not like the Cichodoodoo’s discussion, they would have let him speak his peace, by not participating in his thread. Instead they would choose to read a different thread, unless they truly thought him to be a terrorist or a political provocateur. I wished his thread had been kept clean of those who were opposed to the discussion so that those of us who saw the value of it could have elevated the discussion to an intellectual exercise of importance. Instead it was debased into an emotional quagmire by those who were complaining of its existence.

Until we learn to be more self reflective about our own actions and words, ego will always win, and humanity will always be banning talented thinkers such as Chicodoodoo.

In the end it is always the talented thinkers who advanced human society, usually after being imprisoned, persecuted or killed. I wonder what Avalon would have banned Thomas Jefferson for? The important thing to remember, in my opinion, is the dynamics that is happening in our tiny forum are the same dyamics happening in the world. So how are we going to bring about this model community that Mr. Ryan speaks of?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[dan i el]

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

I have read more than once on this forum, and have even been "accused of it by an Avalon moderator", that for some people controversy is their entertainment. And from a psychological perspective, that may have some merit mostly for people of an unbalanced nature. However, I am at a lost as how one can seek the truth, point out injustice, and wrong doings without kicking up controversy? Remember the McCarthy era?

When controversy happens, and there are people who unnecessarily inflame the issue, instead of having an intellectual and expansive discussion on it, or who are choosing instead not to participate in it, that is a method of people control. It is how the world works. You all know about professional provocateurs. Shall we say the Middle East, perhaps?

If Avalon was walking in light and love, for those who did not like the Cichodoodoo’s discussion, they would have let him speak his peace, by not participating in his thread. Instead they would choose to read a different thread, unless they truly thought him to be a terrorist or a political provocateur. I wished his thread had been kept clean of those who were opposed to the discussion so that those of us who saw the value of it could have elevated the discussion to an intellectual exercise of importance. Instead it was debased into an emotional quagmire by those who were complaining of its existence.

Until we learn to be more self reflective about our own actions and words, ego will always win, and humanity will always be banning talented thinkers such as Chicodoodoo.

In the end it is always the talented thinkers who advanced human society, usually after being imprisoned, persecuted or killed. I wonder what Avalon would have banned Thomas Jefferson for? The important thing to remember, in my opinion, is the dynamics that is happening in our tiny forum are the same dyamics happening in the world. So how are we going to bring about this model community that Mr. Ryan speaks of?

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Indeed, there was been some unnecessary violence of late here from our guardians.

Without wishing to tread on eggshells or run the mill, what actually then constitutes the spirit of Avalon, if it, as apparent, more and more quoted as a reasoning given behind sometimes seemingly arbitrary executive action..? Is it organic and community based or rather pertaining more to a singular vision enforced, if not, subjectively codified by benevolent enforcers?

Is the spirit of Avalon not within the very community? is the community not as important as the whistelblowers themselves? Where is the spirit residing actually? Constant purging can only lead to a stifling atmosphere that supports only a very specific demographic to what otherwise would be vibrancy? Forgive me, please, if I am being naive in this.

I am aware I only started to make posts from Jan 2011 and am not at all intending to be seen as wielding the big wooden spoon.

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by Noble Hops (here)

Posted by dejavu (here)
wouldn't it be wonderful to have a forward thinking circular system that took all the responsibility from the poor Mods and shared it as equally as possible among all members?

No. Bolshevism stinks, and this thread is crawling with it.

Okay.... "Bolshevism"? That's one heavy term... Maybe you're right, we definitely need more control and hierarchies here, let's all wear black boots and forget about how the world is organized today. No need for change, unity and human development. Slaves we are, slaves we should remain.
It is so tiring to see that concepts and ideas get mismatched with the wrong picture that historically, those have been allowed to flourish with no outside control. Throwing he baby with the baby's bath is a really common mistake, and one that is pretty much aligned with what the ptb want us to do.

I wish we can all break free from this propaganda of fear.

Peace

[Billy]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Avalon, we have a problem.

Essentially, it is this: .

I have just began reading this thread and my first reaction to Chicodoodoo's post was this.
Should the above not read.

"Avalon, Chicodoodoo has a problem with you.
Essenially it is this, Chicodoodoo would like to change Avalon."

You say for the best interests of Avalon ahead of their own private interests Chico, yet what i see is you expressing only your own private interest here. Think about that. Is it Avalon's problem that the way it works does not resonate with you, or is that your own personal problem.

I hope you can work it out, all the best and bless you.

EDIT: I have just reached page 5 only to see that Chico's account has been deactivated, So i repeat my last sentence.

All the best Chico and Bless you.

[Lord Sidious]

Part of the problem is this little paradigm
There are two types of individual
a) who is reasonable and tries to fit in with all around him and not rock the boat and
b) who is unreasonable and tries to change things around him that differ from his beliefs.
You know what the problem is?
ALL advancements in history came from b) not a) and that is where we have issues on approaches.
People who don't take what is given as truth but search for their own then report back are usually not welcomed so much in society.
You avalonuggets all know that I am b) and there are others here like that too, including this guy
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6-Bill-Ryan

[ulli]

When I came here Chicodoodoo had a thread about sociopaths...
right away I was noticing the direction that discussion was taking, i.e. not solving anything,
but rather creating more questions than answers.

I was using this signature then: "where the focus goes, energy flows"

something I firmly believe in- not just because I read it somewhere, but because I have found it to be true.

Taking down the NWO by identifying the sociopaths among the leadership can't really lead anywhere.

How would one know who exactly is the sociopath and who is not, and moreover, where do you draw the line between those who are and those who are not?
You would end up with a Nazi type of system...like racism.

Then he was trying to build a community of absolute equality for all members
this reminded me of Soviet communism's 72 year`road to nowhere...

History has shown all the possible pitfalls of non workinbg systems
and the only thing that works is a combo of all
where even a monarchy has it's place as some might want the ceremonial type of leadership

So here is Avalon:
members post and moderators who are also members in good standing keep an eye on the general tone and level of discussion
then, when a moderator is way out of line the other moderators as well as some of the members and finally Bill would step in and make suggestions, if that doesn't work, there are the reminders, like turning down the volume, and finally the off button.
The choice is with the disturber, to discover that his droning is not becoming his real potential which is to make music rather than drone on and on.


Someone like that is either damaged by childhood experiences or mind controlled by outside interference.

I would love to hear what Omniverse or OnyxKnight think of this, although I would never DEMAND that they respond to my request.

Hear me, guys?

You are free to NOT respond.

I will not hold it against you, nor would I call on the moderators to get you to reply.

It's all a matter of respect for another's right to sovereignty and Bill who I think was the real target in all of this has such a right, too.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by blake (here)
Chicodoodoo, your brainpower, your ability to connect dots that others arn't ready to connect is Avalon's lost.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

Consciousness is more than information and the brain -- people who use only their brain to decode this reality, are usually those that have issues with an "inflated ego". Consciousness is a form of energy essential to all existence. It is a nonphysical energy of infinite magnitude and it is unique in its capacity to change one pattern of existence into another pattern of existence.

Change the things you are able to, accept the things you cannot, and have the sense to know the difference. Our brain is set up to deliver the visual presentation of the world we are experiencing right now. We have the power to alter this visual presentation of the world we receive from our brain anytime we decide to make an adjustment in our daily physical or mental routines. Some people choose to do this by simply being more open-minded from their hearts.

Much Love and understanding

[davyj0nes]

To all, I ask please explain to me what you think the below statement means:

"....the forum Guidelines:

"Anyone who does not appear to be in alignment with the purpose and energy of the forum may be asked to leave."

When i post on avalon i have no reason to worry whether my post will 'censored', because the mods could care less about my thoughts on the face of mars, david icke, (insert your bag here), ect.

The only ones who have to worry are those with an axe to grind, and they make themselves known by the content of their threads and posts. Those loyal to the prior administration have 2, maybe 3 tactics they keep using repeatedly, censorship being one. They put a big neon 'i'm here to stir the poo pot' sign on when they do that. Which undoubtedly brings the mods running like 'beggin strips'.

So, to the 98% wondering what on earth these people are going on about censorship. Worry not, your posts are not going to get 'censored'.

To the remaining 2% with an axe to grind, yes you will continue to be 'censored'. Each time you seek to get at bill by attacking attacking avalon, you establish a pattern of abuse. Being asked to leave, is the just, and natural end to your actions.

In the end, this internet drama is source of sustenance to a very small cabal.

[indiana]

Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call ths shots and continued to on it seems to me a one track war of attrition against the board.

Yep, and I'm get heartily sick of that sort of attitude.
Oops, maybe I shouldn't say that being a member who joined in Jan 2011.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can help me, at what stage can I consider myself
suitably knowledgeable about this forum that I feel I can relax 'within' this forum?

[K626]

Posted by indiana (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call ths shots and continued to on it seems to me a one track war of attrition against the board.

Yep, and I'm get heartily sick of that sort of attitude.
Oops, maybe I shouldn't say that being a member who joined in Jan 2011.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can help me, at what stage can I consider myself
suitably knowledgeable about this forum that I feel I can relax 'within' this forum?

The key word is SOME.

If YOU WANT to call me out let's take it TO PM.

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by indiana (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call ths shots and continued to on it seems to me a one track war of attrition against the board.

Yep, and I'm get heartily sick of that sort of attitude.
Oops, maybe I shouldn't say that being a member who joined in Jan 2011.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can help me, at what stage can I consider myself
suitably knowledgeable about this forum that I feel I can relax 'within' this forum?

What are you on about ya fenianugget?
Relax? The Irish NEVER relax, unless they are asleep, you know that.

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by indiana (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call ths shots and continued to on it seems to me a one track war of attrition against the board.

Yep, and I'm get heartily sick of that sort of attitude.
Oops, maybe I shouldn't say that being a member who joined in Jan 2011.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can help me, at what stage can I consider myself
suitably knowledgeable about this forum that I feel I can relax 'within' this forum?

The key word is SOME.

If YOU WANT to call me out let's take it TO PM.

K

Blimey not you too?
Hold on, my carrot delivery service is on the phone, I will order some extras.
Back soon.

[sunnyrap]

A key idea I learned years ago when engaged in a course on interpersonal communications and group facilitation was that simple, truth-filled delivering of one's personal perspective typically does not create a powerfully negative response. When there is intent to negate another point of view, there will be a powerful backlash.

HOWEVER, one cannot make a rule of this because sometimes one's perspective 'upsets the applecart' of a broadly held view and can or will be perceived as personal negation. That is when the greatest care in delivery of the communication is necessary--and the greatest care in inspecting the communication for the content that upsets one's world view.

[blake]

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by indiana (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call ths shots and continued to on it seems to me a one track war of attrition against the board.

Yep, and I'm get heartily sick of that sort of attitude.
Oops, maybe I shouldn't say that being a member who joined in Jan 2011.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can help me, at what stage can I consider myself
suitably knowledgeable about this forum that I feel I can relax 'within' this forum?

The key word is SOME.

If YOU WANT to call me out let's take it TO PM.

K

Hello All,

I think it was Ross who reminded us that a full moon is approaching. Best to table, or put off all active and emotional discussions until well into the fourth quarter. It could avoid a lot of metaphorical "bloody noses"!

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis