Censorship here?

[K626]

Posted by blake (here)

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by indiana (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call ths shots and continued to on it seems to me a one track war of attrition against the board.

Yep, and I'm get heartily sick of that sort of attitude.
Oops, maybe I shouldn't say that being a member who joined in Jan 2011.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can help me, at what stage can I consider myself
suitably knowledgeable about this forum that I feel I can relax 'within' this forum?

The key word is SOME.

If YOU WANT to call me out let's take it TO PM.

K

Hello All,

I think it was Ross who reminded us that a full moon is approaching. Best to table, or put off all active and emotional discussions until well into the fourth quarter. It could avoid a lot of metaphorical "bloody noses"!

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

My discussions are always amiable you should know that.

K

[blake]

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

I think it was Ross who reminded us that a full moon is approaching. Best to table, or put off all active and emotional discussions until well into the fourth quarter. It could avoid a lot of metaphorical "bloody noses"!

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

My discussions are always amiable you should know that.

K

Hello K626,

I know. I was just checking in. The atmosphere seems to be electified with oncoming full moon energy.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[sunnyrap]

A corollary to this is that all groups should VALUE members who hold positions of HONEST dissent, because they are the ones who create opportunities for real problem solving. A member holding a point of view that seems contrary to most of the group is often a maverick type who has pioneered into areas of thinking and action more sanguine members would and have not. These mavericks of thought can yield real gold for the rest of the group and should not be shunned, imo.

Now, this is different from someone who, like a bratty child, has learned that being disruptive gets a lot of attention, even if its negative--but failing to learn how to get positive attention, is addicted to this activity. One of those tiresome situations where discernment and careful thought is called for...

[K626]

Posted by sunnyrap (here)
A corollary to this is that all groups should VALUE members who hold positions of HONEST dissent, because they are the ones who create opportunities for real problem solving. A member holding a point of view that seems contrary to most of the group is often a maverick type who has pioneered into areas of thinking and action more sanguine members would and have not. These mavericks of thought can yield real gold for the rest of the group and should not be shunned, imo.

Now, this is different from someone who, like a bratty child, has learned that being disruptive gets a lot of attention, even if its negative--but failing to learn how to get positive attention, is addicted to this activity. One of those tiresome situations where discernment and careful thought is called for...

Totally agree.

The pay must be good cause some seem to be making it their lifes work.

K

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by sunnyrap (here)
A corollary to this is that all groups should VALUE members who hold positions of HONEST dissent, because they are the ones who create opportunities for real problem solving. A member holding a point of view that seems contrary to most of the group is often a maverick type who has pioneered into areas of thinking and action more sanguine members would and have not. These mavericks of thought can yield real gold for the rest of the group and should not be shunned, imo.

Now, this is different from someone who, like a bratty child, has learned that being disruptive gets a lot of attention, even if its negative--but failing to learn how to get positive attention, is addicted to this activity. One of those tiresome situations where discernment and careful thought is called for...

Thanks for your posts on this thread, the insight in them is very useful for everyone to see the background thinking of some of us.
They are worth more than a quick press of the thanks button.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by indiana (here)
Yep, and I'm get heartily sick of that sort of attitude.
Oops, maybe I shouldn't say that being a member who joined in Jan 2011.

Out of curiosity, perhaps you can help me, at what stage can I consider myself
suitably knowledgeable about this forum that I feel I can relax 'within' this forum?

Beats me --- guess that's partly up to you. Notice my join date .

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Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call the shots

Hopefully it's not just a matter of date joined .

[K626]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by K626 (here)
But I'm getting heartily sick of a some of the people who joined in Jan 2011 and then starting thinking they knew it all about this forum and started to call the shots

Hopefully it's not just a matter of date joined .

Quite.

Peace

k

[Limor Wolf]

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I believe that the aim of moderating,is to serve the community and not the other way around. we have a virtual commune of like minded people here with a shared purpose and it desreves all we can do to keep it like that.we are mostly centered around Camelot/Avalon/Bill ryan's work (wich I wholeheartedly believe in and support) also we are gathered around the world situation and happenings as they transpire infront of our eyes,knowing full well that it was our own creation that brought us and the earth to this place,and now we want to change it.we are the pioneers of change.and on the way we are checking all sorts of ways to start anew.while doing that,old habbits might kick in...

I believe ALL of us members at forum Avalon,at Nexus2012 (boy,you guys have limited yourselfs :) The Camelot forum,Open minds,David icke's,etc etc,all have the best intentions at our hearts. ALL of us without exception (paid agents not included). to put it simply (very simply) we want a better world,we think we desreve a better world,we demand a better world its just that we are limping a bit when trying to implement it.lets excuse ourselfs and see how we can try and improve things from now on.

I believe in adressing things and issues,knowing full well that its not always gonn'a get the solutions in place right away.

qbeac originally posted: "If a moderator makes a decision (Ex: banning someone), let’s the rest of us vote (with a special button to do so) to say if we agree or disagree with it."

This will be new at the world of forums:) not very realistic I am afraid. there has to be a severe enough reason to bann a member but it is impossible to consulte the opinions of almost 3000 members (god Bless,may they come more),remember,this is not about expressing an oppsite oppinion,its either expressing it in a hostile way,giving false information about someone (smearing),raising conflicts for the sake of having a conflict or simply supporting all those.not possible to include all reasons and from my tiny experience so far,not all comunication from banned members are shown upfront. a little trust in the moderation team discretion is needed.

Aurelius has originally posted:(and changed the title of the post! (o.k, I couldn't resist this remark:)
"we need to keep challenging ourselves to improve and do things in better ways."

That might be very true

As Seikou-Kishi has said,'ad hominem' attacks are something that we all agree upon.this is also an easy part to locate,but another consideration for us members to think about is that some things are happening and are not known to to us as a community,and its o.k,not everything should be known.it is clear for everyone with eyes in their heads that a person who deals with sensitive information (whistleblowing,spirituall truths that can advance us forword,etc.) will not get a Large bouquet of flowers everyday right at his door step! guess what he gets..I beg us all to understand that having a peaceful,highly educational and friendly platform from wich all of us as well as Bill can Operate is highly important,therefore the efforts of the mods team is exactly that.

Can it be done in a different way? it is something to think about.member's opinions does not enter in one ear and go out through the other... but again,there are other considerations that are not always known.If you still dont understand please go back to read a few lines above,I hope it will be a little more clear.

Volunteers are doing this work to keep the forum a safe environment,if its not always going smoothly,please forgive us.there are some decisions that need to be taken without the consent of everyone,some other things/general suggestions and consideration quite the opposite,and it might be good to share between us all and have a more transperent and holographic nature of moderating.one more thing to keep in mind is :we are all people,individualls (with burning desires :) and we wish to try and create something different.anyone who will try to put a stick between the wheels of this beautiful speeding train will not find tolerence towords their words and actions.

Healing and blessings to us all!

Limor (mod hat on/off red,green and with a feather...as you wish)
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[Lord Sidious]

On the subject of doing things differently, let me show you the risks. One of my favourites from my childhood.
Which was yesterday, I think.

The other one I added, I would like you guys to listen to the words.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZL2WeRHqqXo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-FAKN7ufwPQ

Yet another edit.
After you listen to the second one, consider this, we are what we are, black sheep.
We are tall, short, skinny, fat, but we are all truthseekers and we should try to achieve our mission: seek the truth, put it out there, attain wisdom.
Welcome to Black Sheep Squadron nuggets.

[sunnyrap]

I briefly considered asking about using the polls for voting on whether or not to allow certain members to remain (ala 'Survivors' alleged reality show), but then thought this might create a very sense of all of us always being on parole. But this would take some of the heat off of the mods. What do the rest of you think about this idea?

[indiana]

After my post I went for a smoke, came back in and went to delete my post,
only to see that it had been responded to, so it was too late.

Clearly join dates doesn't necessarily mean that a member has not been part of the history
or pre-history of Avalon, tho Paul I take your point.

Anyway, fellow Nuggeteers,
Hope the full-moon beams treat you well.

[Billy]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Part of the problem is this little paradigm
There are two types of individual
a) who is reasonable and tries to fit in with all around him and not rock the boat and
b) who is unreasonable and tries to change things around him that differ from his beliefs.
You know what the problem is?
ALL advancements in history came from b) not a) and that is where we have issues on approaches.
People who don't take what is given as truth but search for their own then report back are usually not welcomed so much in society.
You avalonuggets all know that I am b) and there are others here like that too, including this guy
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6-Bill-Ryan

Hi Sidious, I think there are thousands of types of individuals not just two,

1,Why rock a boat when it sails smoothly, and when the waters become stormy then we all pull together to ride the storm.
2, One can be the change they want to see without being unreasonable.

I am a member of other Forums, One of which i am a moderator and mentor does not allow any new threads whatsoever although it can be done, but new threads can be created by going through the recommened protocol in the ideas and suggestion thread, I understand this and respect this understanding. some new members joining this Forum of 5000 members now, at first just cannot get to grips with this policy,
They want their voice to be heard ( which they can on existing threads, Radio shows and skype chatrooms etc ) But still a few just dont get it and find themselves being evicted from the forum.

It really is about respect for whichever forum you choose to join or boat you choose to sail on, and if one chooses to be unreasonable and rebel and rock a boat that sails smoothly, then i hope they can swim. then they can be captain and sail their own boat create their own personal protocols.

Diversity and individualism does not need to be in conflict, we can have many boats at sea at the same time, sailing in different directions passing each other with a wave and ahoy there,

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by sunnyrap (here)
I briefly considered asking about using the polls for voting on whether or not to allow certain members to remain (ala 'Survivors' alleged reality show), but then thought this might create a very sense of all of us always being on parole. But this would take some of the heat off of the mods. What do the rest of you think about this idea?

This one I think is open to abuse.
On some forums, they allow negative rep as well as positive and it isn't hard to negative bomb someone by getting others to do it too.
Then you destroy their credibility, in a way.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by sunnyrap (here)
Now, this is different from someone who, like a bratty child, has learned that being disruptive gets a lot of attention, even if its negative--but failing to learn how to get positive attention, is addicted to this activity. One of those tiresome situations where discernment and careful thought is called for...

Posted by sunnyrap (here)
I briefly considered asking about using the polls for voting on whether or not to allow certain members to remain (ala 'Survivors' alleged reality show), but then thought this might create a very sense of all of us always being on parole. But this would take some of the heat off of the mods. What do the rest of you think about this idea?

To be honest, my initial reaction to "voting on whether ... certain members remain" was "what a friggin mess that would be."

Then I went looking for the good member I recalled earlier in the thread had mentioned that some people have learned that being disruptive gets attention. A voting scheme would just up the anty for how much attention could be garnered, and increase the damage such drama causes to the forum. Hmm ... turns out you might know the member who mentioned something like that ... someone named "sunnyrap" .

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by indiana (here)
Hope the full-moon beams treat you well.

Thanks. I hope you enjoyed your smoke.

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by qbeac (here)
Note: I am also posting this post in the Project Camelot forum, at link:

...

Clearly and precisely... For anyone aware of what kind of positive energy chico has been bringing to this forum, the decision to simply give up on him is a definite no-go for what I'm concerned about.

You have my full support. Thanks for stepping in

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man

...

Indeed, dots connecting, synthesis, humanism... Contrary to what some people, in a pretty mean fashion, have been saying, I will certainly not buy that chico was on some ego trip... His level of insights for sure did not come from some individualistic perspective.
We people need more guys like him.

Peace

[Moonwish]

Posted by sunnyrap (here)
A corollary to this is that all groups should VALUE members who hold positions of HONEST dissent, because they are the ones who create opportunities for real problem solving. A member holding a point of view that seems contrary to most of the group is often a maverick type who has pioneered into areas of thinking and action more sanguine members would and have not. These mavericks of thought can yield real gold for the rest of the group and should not be shunned, imo.

Now, this is different from someone who, like a bratty child, has learned that being disruptive gets a lot of attention, even if its negative--but failing to learn how to get positive attention, is addicted to this activity. One of those tiresome situations where discernment and careful thought is called for...

Very well spoken sunnyrap. I appreciate your sophistication in expression. No lies, no censorship. It is so out these days. I''m tired of fighting this battle, and I expect the rest of you are. What is beyond our ego-expressiveneess?
Can't we do better? We can at least do something else. We have a venue. This is an indulgence. Let's not forget that.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad hatter after donning flameproof suit, tin pants and devils advocate hat read the point made about ego strips down again and being cancerian goes out to howl at the moon instead...

Good night Avalon and thanks yet again for turning a contentious issue into robust intelligent conversation... sh!t you guys are good !!!

[andywight]

Chico, hope you don't mind me posting this here, PM me if you want me to delete.

== Post edited ,please abstain from qouting posts from other forums ==

THANKS

[Moonwish]

prepositions are just that indiana. They pre-position a noun, but hold no real power as function words.

Live your life despite them. Your are a noun with agency. You can act, and had better soon.

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Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Mad hatter after donning flameproof suit, tin pants and devils advocate hat read the point made about ego strips down again and being cancerian goes out to howl at the moon instead...

Good night Avalon and thanks yet again for turning a contentious issue into robust intelligent conversation... sh!t you guys are good !!!

Are you circadian instead of cancerian? Makes a difference :-)