Censorship here?

[qbeac]

Hi Paul, please, tell me, have you read the JFK speech included in my post 127? This one:

Post #127, pag. 7. JFK speech "The President and the Press" (1961)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post219355

Paul, do you mind telling Bill Ryan about that speech and about the 2 questions I ask him in that post?

Thanks.

If you review my first 3 posts in this thread (#14, #44, #52 in pag 1 and 3) you’ll see that I asked you a couple of questions about the Chicodoodoo incident.

Please, could you answer them? Thanks.

And in the meantime, while you think about it, I’ll ask you another question, but this one is EXTREMELLY SIMPLE to answer because it does not even require an elaborate answer from you, but just a very simple choice between the 2 following options, “a” or “b”, which are based on the JFK speech in post #127 (pag7).

Paul, please, from the following 2 options (based on the JFK speech), which option would you choose, “a” or “b”?

Option a)

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country [and no Internet Forum] can succeed and no republic can survive.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers -- I welcome it.

This Administration [Internet Forum] intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."

We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Option b)

With debate, with criticism, no Administration and no country and no Internet Forum can succeed and no republic and no Internet Forum can survive.

I not only could stifle controversy among your readers -- I reject it.

This Forum does not intend to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error becomes a mistake when you admit it."

We do not intend to accept full responsibility for our errors and we do not expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Please, Paul, which option do you prefer, “a” or “b”?

I ask the same question to Bill Ryan, and also to the rest of the Avalon members.

Thanks.

[ulli]

Discussion forums are like a specialist school. They simply cannot be compared to countries.

If I had a school to teach people to play the violin

anyone who wants to bring a drum kit would be asked to leave,

especially if they insist on using it.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by andywight (here)
Chico, hope you don't mind me posting this here, PM me if you want me to delete.

== Post edited ,please abstain from qouting posts from other forums ==

THANKS

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MTH77XWlZg4

[qbeac]

Posted by ulli (here)
Discussion forums are like a specialist school. They simply cannot be compared to countries....

Hi ulli, the key point in my post 161 (pag9) does not have to do with countries versus forums, but with the general concepts of tolerating or not criticism, dissent, admitting having made an error, etc.

But if you prefer not to mix Forums with countries (or republics, administrations, etc.), no problem, let’s forget for a minute about the JFK speech and let’s change the two options just for you so that they refer specifically to Internet Forums and nothing else, and, therefore, they will read as:

Option c)

Without debate, without criticism, no Internet Forum can succeed and no Internet Forum can survive.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers -- I welcome it.

This Internet Forum intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it."

We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Option d)

With debate, with criticism, no Internet Forum can succeed and no Internet Forum can survive.

I not only could stifle controversy among your readers -- I reject it.

This Forum does not intend to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error becomes a mistake when you admit it."

We do not intend to accept full responsibility for our errors and we do not expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Please, ulli, which option do you prefer, “c” or “d”?

[Gaia]

Posted by Limor (here)
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I believe that the aim of moderating,is to serve the community and not the other way around. we have a virtual commune of like minded people here with a shared purpose and it desreves all we can do to keep it like that.we are mostly centered around Camelot/Avalon/Bill ryan's work (wich I wholeheartedly believe in and support) also we are gathered around the world situation and happenings as they transpire infront of our eyes,knowing full well that it was our own creation that brought us and the earth to this place,and now we want to change it.we are the pioneers of change.and on the way we are checking all sorts of ways to start anew.while doing that,old habbits might kick in...

I believe ALL of us members at forum Avalon,at Nexus2012 (boy,you guys have limited yourselfs The Camelot forum,Open minds,David icke's,etc etc,all have the best intentions at our hearts. ALL of us without exception (paid agents not included). to put it simply (very simply) we want a better world,we think we desreve a better world,we demand a better world its just that we are limping a bit when trying to implement it.lets excuse ourselfs and see how we can try and improve things from now on.

I believe in adressing things and issues,knowing full well that its not always gonn'a get the solutions in place right away.

qbeac originally posted: "If a moderator makes a decision (Ex: banning someone), let’s the rest of us vote (with a special button to do so) to say if we agree or disagree with it."

This will be new at the world of forums not very realistic I am afraid. there has to be a severe enough reason to bann a member but it is impossible to consulte the opinions of almost 3000 members (god Bless,may they come more),remember,this is not about expressing an oppsite oppinion,its either expressing it in a hostile way,giving false information about someone (smearing),raising conflicts for the sake of having a conflict or simply supporting all those.not possible to include all reasons and from my tiny experience so far,not all comunication from banned members are shown upfront. a little trust in the moderation team discretion is needed.

Aurelius has originally postedand changed the title of the post! (o.k, I couldn't resist this remark
"we need to keep challenging ourselves to improve and do things in better ways."

That might be very true

As Seikou-Kishi has said,'ad hominem' attacks are something that we all agree upon.this is also an easy part to locate,but another consideration for us members to think about is that some things are happening and are not known to to us as a community,and its o.k,not everything should be known.it is clear for everyone with eyes in their heads that a person who deals with sensitive information (whistleblowing,spirituall truths that can advance us forword,etc.) will not get a Large bouquet of flowers everyday right at his door step! guess what he gets..I beg us all to understand that having a peaceful,highly educational and friendly platform from wich all of us as well as Bill can Operate is highly important,therefore the efforts of the mods team is exactly that.

Can it be done in a different way? it is something to think about.member's opinions does not enter in one ear and go out through the other... but again,there are other considerations that are not always known.If you still dont understand please go back to read a few lines above,I hope it will be a little more clear.

Volunteers are doing this work to keep the forum a safe environment,if its not always going smoothly,please forgive us.there are some decisions that need to be taken without the consent of everyone,some other things/general suggestions and consideration quite the opposite,and it might be good to share between us all and have a more transperent and holographic nature of moderating.one more thing to keep in mind is :we are all people,individualls (with burning desires and we wish to try and create something different.anyone who will try to put a stick between the wheels of this beautiful speeding train will not find tolerence towords their words and actions.

Healing and blessings to us all!

Limor (mod hat on/off red,green and with a feather...as you wish)
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Well thought and well written views. I had almost forgotten people could write at this level of intelligence

[ulli]

I have NO PROBLEM answering with d to some and c to others.

Each situation is different.

If I notice a demand is being made that has a coercive tone

I consider it manipulative and I refuse to play along with such games.


I avoid predators.

If this forum were to give up it's (albeit human, therefore prone to err) moderators,

I'd be out of here like a flash.

[NancyV]

My answer to the option question is FORTY TWO!!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Well, is there a dead-letter forum on Avalon? We need one desperately.

All of the negative comments ~ that uplift ~ no one ~ continue to give a sour taste in our mouths. Can you feel it? I look forward to the day when these threads find their way into some dead-letter-box on Avalon, so we can move forward and onward and every time another one appears, I vote that it goes into the dark void, with the others. Everyone is struggling for personal balance and adapting to new energies, as the old tired systems end. This is just another example of one of them.

Let kindness reign.

We do not need any negativity here. There is enough of it "out there" in our homes, businesses, playgrounds, and at large in the world.

We have some beautiful carpeting inside Avalon that needs to be kept clean ~ in thought first, and then it will be made manifest. Some come in here wearing muddy boots ~ with old negative attitudes attached and they mess things up royally for everyone. We ask that they leave their old boots outside and then enter Avalon with hearts open to new ideas.

This whole censorship, secrecy, stifle-me issue is one of THIRD DIMENSIONAL CONSTUCT and is no longer needed, no longer valid, and certainly not here on Avalon. The 4th and the 5th dimension are at hand now.

The difference is that this is a sanctuary for the birth of new ideas and new leadership. Those who hold us back, need to either watch, listen, and learn or take it elsewhere. If you will notice even on this thread after so many others wrote in to please ask Chicodoodoo to stop, he didn't.

It didn't even register. He continued getting in the last word dragging us all deeper into this old pit.

This is why those others have eventually had to go, they didn't get it. They were not listening. A simple attitude adjustment is required of all of us and especially when you've been kindly warned not to continue along this tact.

Why should the few negative contributors be allowed to distract and cause these arguments over and over. The answer is that they can't be allow to disrupt.

Please ~ if isn't positive and uplifting in some way and an actual contribution to our greater interests, let it find another home in some far off galaxy. I'm not talking about Chicodoodoo being sent far off but his attitude needs adjusting to come back and contribute again.

Just be kind. Nothing more is required and do it so that you "harm no other being," including yourself in our presence, it's just so hard to witness. Be kind. Rewind your arguments into a better light. Now take a deep breath ; )

I went looking for an image of "we are a family" and found some elementary kids singing, "We are one big happy family" so cute. If one of them got out of line and caused a problem while they were singing, some adult would have stepped in to take them aside. That's what just happened here.

Here are the kids singing and although animated no one disturbs the song.

http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SANY0552.mp4

Much love! xoxoxoxox

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by qbeac (here)
Note: I am also posting this post in the Project Camelot forum, at link:

...

Clearly and precisely... For anyone aware of what kind of positive energy chico has been bringing to this forum, the decision to simply give up on him is a definite no-go for what I'm concerned about.

You have my full support. Thanks for stepping in

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man

...

Indeed, dots connecting, synthesis, humanism... Contrary to what some people, in a pretty mean fashion, have been saying, I will certainly not buy that chico was on some ego trip... His level of insights for sure did not come from some individualistic perspective.
We people need more guys like him.

Peace

The above quoted post from me has been edited without even a word from the moderator who did it... It doesn't make sense without the quotes that have been removed. Maybe we, members of this community, deserve more respect than what is shown here.

Peace

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by qbeac (here)
Note: I am also posting this post in the Project Camelot forum, at link:

...

Clearly and precisely... For anyone aware of what kind of positive energy chico has been bringing to this forum, the decision to simply give up on him is a definite no-go for what I'm concerned about.

You have my full support. Thanks for stepping in

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man

...

Indeed, dots connecting, synthesis, humanism... Contrary to what some people, in a pretty mean fashion, have been saying, I will certainly not buy that chico was on some ego trip... His level of insights for sure did not come from some individualistic perspective.
We people need more guys like him.

Peace

The above quoted post from me has been edited without even a word from the moderator who did it... It doesn't make sense without the quotes that have been removed. Maybe we, members of this community, deserve more respect than what is shown here.

Peace

This is at the bottom of your post nugget.
I suspect because you quoted half an encyclopaedia.
Last edited by Paul; Today at 02:30. Reason: trim quoted material

[buckminster fuller]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)

Posted by qbeac (here)
Note: I am also posting this post in the Project Camelot forum, at link:

...

Clearly and precisely... For anyone aware of what kind of positive energy chico has been bringing to this forum, the decision to simply give up on him is a definite no-go for what I'm concerned about.

You have my full support. Thanks for stepping in

Posted by blake (here)
Hello All,

So sorry that a man

...

Indeed, dots connecting, synthesis, humanism... Contrary to what some people, in a pretty mean fashion, have been saying, I will certainly not buy that chico was on some ego trip... His level of insights for sure did not come from some individualistic perspective.
We people need more guys like him.

Peace

The above quoted post from me has been edited without even a word from the moderator who did it... It doesn't make sense without the quotes that have been removed. Maybe we, members of this community, deserve more respect than what is shown here.

Peace

This is at the bottom of your post nugget.
I suspect because you quoted half an encyclopaedia.
Last edited by Paul; Today at 02:30. Reason: trim quoted material

I suspect it is not about the length of what was presented. There actually are questions asked to paul in the first quote that he still hasn't answered to. The second quote was really short, but was in defence of chico.

Paranoïa anyone ?

[HORIZONS]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Part of the problem is this little paradigm
There are two types of individual
a) who is reasonable and tries to fit in with all around him and not rock the boat and
b) who is unreasonable and tries to change things around him that differ from his beliefs.
You know what the problem is?
ALL advancements in history came from b) not a) and that is where we have issues on approaches.
People who don't take what is given as truth but search for their own then report back are usually not welcomed so much in society.
You avalonuggets all know that I am b) and there are others here like that too, including this guy
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?6-Bill-Ryan

There is also a (c), those that strive to learn and grow, wherever that takes them, and to seek out balance in all things.

I Can Be The Darkness…

I can be the darkness and I can be the light
I’d rather live in kindness and do what’s justly right
But because of circumstances in my life of pain
Sometimes I am the darkness so that I might sustain

No matter what I’m thinking
No matter where I’ve been
The darkness does surround me
The light is within

The fools of life they come and go
I can be one too
Yet I can change from light to dark (and dark to light)
To deal with the bull**** they throw

I can be the darkness and I can be the light
Whatever brings me into Balance
This is the way I will flow

[3optic]

Posted by loveandgratitude (here)
FRED -

Ho'oponopono - Hawaiian Code of Forgiveness

I LOVE YOU

I AM SORRY

PLEASE FORGIVE ME

THANK YOU

Hi Loveandgratitude. I'm familiar with this practice and studied with Dr. Hew Len. This internal mantra, or "cleaning" as it's called is meant for oneself. In other words we recite it for ourselves to be cleaned by Divinity, not to impose a belief system on to others.

This was an excellent opportunity for you to clean (as it is for me). As your disagreeable reaction to Fred236's post arises..

I LOVE YOU

I AM SORRY

PLEASE FORGIVE ME

THANK YOU

[MMA_Fan]

I think this thread has just highlighted the good and bad aspects of the electronic medium commonly known as the 'forum'.



Question is - what now? Do we just accept it as part and parcel of internet life or is there a lesson here somewhere?

BTW - I'm not trying to trivialise everyone's contributions (though trivial it may seem to some). There is a sprinkling of moderators going overboard, mixed in with a dash of trouble makers. IMO

[mondaze]

the sky is blue. well sometimes... point is are we saving the virtual planet or the real one. virtual words in a virtual world solve virtually nothing...

[Jeffrey]

I believe I have a rough grasp on the function of the moderators/administrators and the mechanics of their duties. I am no expert though. This is just in regards to permanently banning other members.

"Some men see things as they are and say why, I dream of things that never were and say, why not?" -Robert Kennedy

What if the Avalon Forum introduced a jury? A program selects a certain number of members from the forum based on forum activity, amount of contribution, or by whatever stipulations the community deems fit. Then, the randomly selected (meeting said requirements) jury of Avalonians (peers) is presented with the case for expulsion. After reviewing the material, and with the best interest of Avalon in mind (using their own proper discernment according to their own understandings of the purpose and principle of the forum), they vote. The majority rule of the jury claims 49% stake in the final decision. The other 51% is left to the moderators/administrators and their processes. Seems fair(er)?

"Letting a maximum number of views be heard regularly is not just a nice philosophical notion. It is the best way any society has yet discovered to detect maladjustments quickly, to correct injustices, and to discover new ways to meet our continuing stream of novel problems that rise in a changing environment." -Ben Bagdikian

This is just a first draft of the idea. I don't know if this has been done and, again, I am no expert. It is not my intention to create commotion, I'm just sharing the hum of gears turning in my head and wondering if anyone wants to help make music.

Much Love and Thanks,

Vivek

[MMA_Fan]

Posted by mondaze (here)
the sky is blue. well sometimes... point is are we saving the virtual planet or the real one. virtual words in a virtual world solve virtually nothing...

I agree for the most part. Forums should be a tool for further progression.
Unfortunately, we sometimes get caught up in the jangle and stay there.

[MMA_Fan]

Posted by Vivek (here)
I believe I have a rough grasp on the function of the moderators/administrators and the mechanics of their duties. I am no expert though. This is just in regards to permanently banning other members.

"Some men see things as they are and say why, I dream of things that never were and say, why not?" -Robert Kennedy

What if the Avalon Forum introduced a jury? A program selects a certain number of members from the forum based on forum activity, amount of contribution, or by whatever stipulations the community deems fit. Then, the randomly selected (meeting said requirements) jury of Avalonians (peers) is presented with the case for expulsion. After reviewing the material, and with the best interest of Avalon in mind (using their own proper discernment according to their own understandings of the purpose and principle of the forum), they vote. The majority rule of the jury claims 49% stake in the final decision. The other 51% is left to the moderators/administrators and their processes. Seems fair(er)?

"Letting a maximum number of views be heard regularly is not just a nice philosophical notion. It is the best way any society has yet discovered to detect maladjustments quickly, to correct injustices, and to discover new ways to meet our continuing stream of novel problems that rise in a changing environment." -Ben Bagdikian

This is just a first draft of the idea. I don't know if this has been done and, again, I am no expert. It is not my intention to create commotion, I'm just sharing the hum of gears turning in my head and wondering if anyone wants to help make music.

Much Love and Thanks,

Vivek

If the mods have a 51% majority it is still the majority and so negates the 49%. (I think lol)

[blake]

Posted by Darla Ken Jensen Pearce (here)
Well, is there a dead-letter forum on Avalon? We need one desperately.

All of the negative comments ~ that uplift ~ no one ~ continue to give a sour taste in our mouths. Can you feel it? I look forward to the day when these threads find their way into some dead-letter-box on Avalon, so we can move forward and onward and every time another one appears, I vote that it goes into the dark void, with the others. Everyone is struggling for personal balance and adapting to new energies, as the old tired systems end. This is just another example of one of them.

Let kindness reign.

We do not need any negativity here. There is enough of it "out there" in our homes, businesses, playgrounds, and at large in the world.

We have some beautiful carpeting inside Avalon that needs to be kept clean ~ in thought first, and then it will be made manifest. Some come in here wearing muddy boots ~ with old negative attitudes attached and they mess things up royally for everyone. We ask that they leave their old boots outside and then enter Avalon with hearts open to new ideas.

This whole censorship, secrecy, stifle-me issue is one of THIRD DIMENSIONAL CONSTUCT and is no longer needed, no longer valid, and certainly not here on Avalon. The 4th and the 5th dimension are at hand now.

The difference is that this is a sanctuary for the birth of new ideas and new leadership. Those who hold us back, need to either watch, listen, and learn or take it elsewhere. If you will notice even on this thread after so many others wrote in to please ask Chicodoodoo to stop, he didn't.

It didn't even register. He continued getting in the last word dragging us all deeper into this old pit.

This is why those others have eventually had to go, they didn't get it. They were not listening. A simple attitude adjustment is required of all of us and especially when you've been kindly warned not to continue along this tact.

Why should the few negative contributors be allowed to distract and cause these arguments over and over. The answer is that they can't be allow to disrupt.

Please ~ if isn't positive and uplifting in some way and an actual contribution to our greater interests, let it find another home in some far off galaxy. I'm not talking about Chicodoodoo being sent far off but his attitude needs adjusting to come back and contribute again.

Just be kind. Nothing more is required and do it so that you "harm no other being," including yourself in our presence, it's just so hard to witness. Be kind. Rewind your arguments into a better light. Now take a deep breath ; )

I went looking for an image of "we are a family" and found some elementary kids singing, "We are one big happy family" so cute. If one of them got out of line and caused a problem while they were singing, some adult would have stepped in to take them aside. That's what just happened here.

Here are the kids singing and although animated no one disturbs the song.

http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/...t=SANY0552.mp4

Much love! xoxoxoxox

Hello Ms Pearce,

I am just a bit curious. If you find this thread upsetting, why are you reading it? We all have a choice on what to spend our time on. There are many daily uplifting posts on Avalon. Why don't you focus on posts that will uplift your soul or intellect if this one drags you down? Is reading this thread or any other required by Avalon members? Since few can speed read or have the time to read all the threads, why not pick threads that meet your individual needs. There is no need to cause unnecessary anguish to yourself by following this thread. It's like a televsion or radio station; if you don't like what is playing you switch the station.

Sincerely,
Mr. Davis

[Gaia]