Biblical Archaeology

[RedeZra]

first let me thank you friend for taking the time and effort to question the Bible story ; )

Posted by observer (here)
Dr. Patton states in the first few minutes of the video as part of his argument against modern archaeological conclusions that "archaeology has proven the Israelites were never in Egypt".

There is no truth to this statement. This is a misconstruing of the facts.

The archaeological record indicates that the Hebrew people were never SLAVES in Egypt.

Ze’ev Herzog a professor of archaeology at Tel Aviv University is on record stating that "archaeology has proven the Israelites were never in Egypt"... and this is what the presenter Patton is referring to... a top Israeli archeologist denying the Bible ?!

Ze’ev Herzog (born 1941) is an Israeli archeologist, professor of archaeology at The Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Cultures at Tel Aviv University specializing in social archaeology, ancient architecture and field archaeology.

In 1999 Herzog’s cover page article in the weekly magazine Haaretz "Deconstructing the walls of Jericho" attracted considerable public attention and debates. In this article Herzog cites evidence supporting that "the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze'ev_Herzog

Posted by observer (here)
The Egyptian record is filled with references to a foreign Semite people who were immigrant workers in much of the four thousand year history of Egypt. There is, however, not a single hieroglyph - anywhere in Egypt - depicting these 'Habaru' (the Egyptian name for these Semite people) as ever being slaves. Hieroglyphs have even been discovered depicting the circumcision ritual. These Habaru people were simply foreigners who came to Egypt to work and eventually assimilated into the Egyptian culture.

The Hyksos (Egyptian heqa khasewet, "foreign rulers") first appeared in Egypt during the Eleventh dynasty, began their climb to power in the Thirteenth dynasty, and came out of the second intermediate period in control of Avaris and the Delta. By the Fifteenth dynasty, they ruled lower Egypt, and at the end of the Seventeenth dynasty, they were expelled.

The Hyksos had Canaanite names, as seen in those with names of Semitic deities such as Anath or Ba'al. They introduced new tools of warfare into Egypt, most notably the composite bow and the horse-drawn chariot.

Kamose, the last king of the Theban 17th Dynasty, refers to Apophis as a "Chieftain of Retjenu (i.e., Canaan)" in a stela that implies a Canaanite background for this Hyksos king: this is the strongest evidence for a Canaanite background for the Hyksos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

Seuserenre Khyan, Khian or Khayan was reportedly the fourth king of the Hyksos Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt who ruled approximately c.1610-1580 BC. Khyan, generally has been "interpreted as Amorite Hayanu (reading h-ya-a-n) which the Egyptian form represents perfectly, and this is in all likelihood the correct interpretation." It should be stressed that Khyan's name was not original and had been in use for centuries prior to the fifteenth Hyksos Dynasty. The name Hayanu is recorded in the Assyrian king lists—see "Khorsabad List I, 17 and the SDAS List, I, 16"--"for a remote ancestor of Shamshi-Adad I (c.1800 BC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyan


so it seems that the Hyksos might have been of the stock of Amorites ; )

The era of the Amorite kingdoms, ca. 2000–1600 BC, is sometimes known as the "Amorite period" in Mesopotamian history. The principal Amorite dynasties arose in Mari, Yamkhad, Qatna, Assyria (under Shamshi-Adad I), Isin, Larsa, and also Babylon, which was founded as an independent state by an Amorite named Sumuabum in 1894 BC. This era ended in northern Mesopotamia with the expulsion of the Amorite dominated Babylonians from Assyria by king Adasi circa 1720 BC, and in the south with the Hittite sack of Babylon (c. 1595 BC) which brought new ethnic groups — particularly Kassites — to the forefront in southern Mesopotamia. From the 15th century BC onward, the term Amurru is usually applied to the region extending north of Canaan as far as Kadesh on the Orontes.

The Egyptologist Flinders Petrie and Assyriologist Archibald Henry Sayce analysed Egyptian illustrations of what they identified as Amorites (Amurru) depicted as "white skinned, blue eyed, fair haired". According to Sayce (1889):
“ “The Amorites... were a tall, handsome people, with white skins, blue eyes and reddish hair, all the characteristics, in fact, of the white race.” ”
Sayce further discovered a painting in a tomb (No. 34) at Thebes, belonging to the Eighteenth Dynasty which illustrates an Amorite chief with "white skin and red-brown hair". Henry George Tomkins (1897) an Exeter clergyman and member of the Royal Archaeological Institute also wrote the Amorites were blue eyed and fair haired. Easton's Bible Dictionary also contains an entry stating the Amorites are "represented on the Egyptian monuments with fair skins, light hair, blue eyes, aquiline noses, and pointed beards." The Encyclopædia Britannica, 13th ed., vol. 1, 1929, also contained a physical description of the Amorites from Egyptian illustrations:
“ “Egyptian illustrations of the New Kingdom show the Palestinian Amorites to have been a race much more like the Northern Europeans than the Semites; long-headed, with blue eyes, straight noses and thin lips.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorite

Posted by observer (here)
They assimilated so-much-so, that by the twelfth dynasty one of these Semite foreigners became Pharaoh. His name was Amenemhat I.

The interesting thing about Amenemhat I is:

• He came from the city of Ur.
• He was married to his half sister who was barren.
• Before becoming Pharaoh, Amenenhat sold his half-sister/wife to the previous Pharaoh, Mentuhotep IV.
• Mentuhotep bestowed great wealth and lands on Amenemhat's half/sister wife, allegedly because of her great beauty.
• After a period of time, (it is alleged) Amenemhat murdered Mentuhotep IV and became Pharaoh himself.
• He was the first of (what the Egyptians called) the Hittite Pharaohs, and his rule as Pharaoh began the twelfth dynasty.

This is the record as depicted in stone carvings discovered in Egypt over the past one hundred and fifty years (or so). These discoveries are in direct conflict with the 'story' depicted in the Old Testament.

please show me you're source as it sounds like fiction to me and I can't find the info

Posted by observer (here)
By the end of the eighteenth dynasty, like Jews the world over, the Egyptian people had become quite tired of these occasional Hittite Pharaohs. So-much-so that Pharaoh Tuthmosis IV was run-out of Egypt.

So, all of the evidence of "Moses" wandering in the wilderness is true and accurate with one big exception:

• Moses was the disposed Pharaoh Tuthmosis IV.
• His Hebrew 'nation' was the disposed Habaru that traveled with him.
• And of course, the Old Testament was simply a fairy-tale story created by the Levitt Scribes to justify the 'stealing of a nation' - Canaan.
• The alleged forty years of wandering was nothing more than the amount of time it took for these 'wandering Jews' to come-up with the fairy-tail so that they could justify their actions.

please show me you're source as it sounds like fiction to me and I can't find the info

Posted by observer (here)
It has also been speculated by several researchers that the reason the Egyptians were so 'pissed-off' at Tuthmosis was because he had stolen an ancient artifact from his adopted country before he bolted.

The dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant (as depicted in the Old Testament) very closely match the dimensions of the empty sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid of Cheops.

According to many researchers this particular pyramid was (quite possibly) an ancient hyperdimensional weapon - predating even ancient Egyptian history. If this were the case, than this Ark would have been a critical component of that hyperdimensional weapon. An assumption that exactly matches the description of that device the Israelites were carrying around with them in the wilderness.

I'm sorry but it's just sad to read such unsubstantiated rubbish ; )

Posted by observer (here)
Everything I've said here is covered in countless books on the subject. All one need do is put-down the Alice-in-Wonderland book called the Holy Bible, and do the research !!!

I think you know that deliberate deceivers and irreverent ignoramuses write books too... but why pick them all the time ??

[Rocky_Shorz]

Oberserver: They assimilated so-much-so, that by the twelfth dynasty one of these Semite foreigners became Pharaoh. His name was Amenemhat I.

The interesting thing about Amenemhat I is:

He came from the city of Ur.
He was married to his half sister who was barren.
Before becoming Pharaoh, Amenenhat sold his half-sister/wife to the previous Pharaoh, Mentuhotep IV.
Mentuhotep bestowed great wealth and lands on Amenemhat's half/sister wife, allegedly because of her great beauty.
After a period of time, (it is alleged) Amenemhat murdered Mentuhotep IV and became Pharaoh himself.
He was the first of (what the Egyptians called) the Hittite Pharaohs, and his rule as Pharaoh began the twelfth dynasty.

This is the record as depicted in stone carvings discovered in Egypt over the past one hundred and fifty years (or so). These discoveries are in direct conflict with the 'story' depicted in the Old Testament.

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

The Mount Judi is the most important mountain in Kurdish folklore and along with Mount Ararat is one of the mountains that is thought to be the final resting place of Noah's Ark.

In Kurdish mythology Patriarch Abraham is considered to be a Kurd. He was from the present day of Kurdistan and his place of birth is located in historic Kurdish city of Ruha (Urfa). It is still one of the holiest places in Kurdistan and in Kurdish folklore... link

also the highest elevation Salt lake in the world...

and only 20 miles from there...

Standing on the hill at dawn, overseeing a team of 40 Kurdish diggers, the German-born archeologist waves a hand over his discovery here, a revolution in the story of human origins. Schmidt has uncovered a vast and beautiful temple complex, a structure so ancient that it may be the very first thing human beings ever built. The site isn't just old, it redefines old: the temple was built 11,500 years ago—a staggering 7,000 years before the Great Pyramid, and more than 6,000 years before Stonehenge first took shape. The ruins are so early that they predate villages, pottery, domesticated animals, and even agriculture—the first embers of civilization. In fact, Schmidt thinks the temple itself, built after the end of the last Ice Age by hunter-gatherers, became that ember—the spark that launched mankind toward farming, urban life, and all that followed.

Göbekli Tepe—the name in Turkish for "potbelly hill"—lays art and religion squarely at the start of that journey. After a dozen years of patient work, Schmidt has uncovered what he thinks is definitive proof that a huge ceremonial site flourished here, a "Rome of the Ice Age," as he puts it, where hunter-gatherers met to build a complex religious community. Across the hill, he has found carved and polished circles of stone, with terrazzo flooring and double benches. All the circles feature massive T-shaped pillars that evoke the monoliths of Easter Island... link...

as for UR, where religion began 11,500 years ago... The Original Avalon, a gathering of survivors of the Ice Age

imagine for a minute, Spiritual connections come from being down on your knees with no where left to fall, a quiet for contemplation followed by enlightenment. How many while stranded connected through thought with other survivors, deciding on a gathering point where they built a temple. The Arc was found at 13,000 feet, so the flood most likely came after the ice ago where civilization once again started...

all memories of past, buried and washed away...

[RedeZra]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
as for UR, where religion began 11,500 years ago... The Original Avalon, a gathering of survivors of the Ice Age

Mount Judi is the exact location where the Ark came to rest after the Great Flood according to many old sources like the Quran and so it fits perfectly that the oldest human-made place of worship yet discovered should be so close to the Ark


In the 1980s adventurer and self-styled archaeologist Ron Wyatt and his colleague David Fasold claimed to have discovered Noah's Ark at Durupınar some twenty miles from Mt. Ararat near a mountain locals called Mount Judi

"And the word was spoken: "O earth! swallow up thy waters! And, O sky, cease [thy rain]!" And the water sank into the earth, and the will [of God] was done, and the ark came to rest on Mount Judi. And the word was spoken: "Away with these evil doing folk!" - (Quran, 11:44)

the radiocarbon dates of charcoal found in the lowest levels of Göbekli Tepe dates it to some 9000BC ?! ...which most likely even predates the Deluge by several thousand years

Göbekli Tepe would be a staggering 6000 years older than the nearby Sumer city-states... and that is a huge empty gap of Middle East history !


the method of radiocarbon dating is perhaps the most precise method of dating some thousand years back in time... but it only works on organic materials and presupposes a constant rate of decay also during cataclysmic earth events... which probably is not the case at all

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God has destroyed evil en masse in the past for God is not only Love but Just too ; )

[observer]

Please take note:
Allow me to state, the information I gave in my comment #11 was all from my memory. This information is the result of nearly fifty years of research on the subject of spirituality.

In my original comment I inadvertently referred (several times) to the 'Hittite Pharaohs'. My intention was to use the term 'Hyksos' for these particular Pharaohs. Please refer to my edit in comment #11.

And, yes, the record will show that these Hyksos people were Semitic in origin, and came out of Canaan.... just as the Bible tells the story of how Abram (before he changed his name to Abraham) came out of Canaan with his people to heard sheep on the fertile grasslands of the West banks of the Nile delta.

And also, as the Bible tells the story, Abraham made a deal with the Pharaoh of the time. The Bible doesn't name that particular Pharaoh. This deal was allegedly made due to the horses and compound bows that Abraham had at his command - both, things that were unfamiliar to the Egyptians at that time in antiquity.

Doesn't one find it contradictory? A simple shepherd with armies at his command? It was also regarding the beauty of his sister/wife, Sarah, to whom this unnamed Biblical Pharaoh bestowed gifts.

Many modern archaeologists believe that Mentuhotep IV was this Pharaoh. If one follows the secession of Pharaohs one will discover the connection of Amenemhat I to this evidential trail.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
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Posted by observer (here)
They assimilated so-much-so, that by the twelfth dynasty one of these Semite foreigners became Pharaoh. His name was Amenemhat I.

The interesting thing about Amenemhat I is:

• He came from the city of Ur.
• He was married to his half sister who was barren.
• Before becoming Pharaoh, Amenenhat sold his half-sister/wife to the previous Pharaoh, Mentuhotep IV.
• bestowed great wealth and lands on Amenemhat's half/sister wife, allegedly because of her great beauty.
• After a period of time, (it is alleged) Amenemhat murdered Mentuhotep IV and became Pharaoh himself.
• He was the first of (what the Egyptians called) the Hittite [Hyksos] Pharaohs, and his rule as Pharaoh began the twelfth dynasty.

This is the record as depicted in stone carvings discovered in Egypt over the past one hundred and fifty years (or so). These discoveries are in direct conflict with the 'story' depicted in the Old Testament.

please show me you're source as it sounds like fiction to me and I can't find the info [....snip]

This interpretation of the Egyptian record is repeated in more than one book on the subject. I first encountered this interpretation of this evidence in material associated with Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet. This particular theory has been around for at least the past one hundred and fifty years. There is a brief recapping of this story in the excellent video I gave you to watch in another thread:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7383139148549#

(move the timer over to 1 hour, 0 minutes)

Apparently my efforts to inform you of alternate interpretations of history fall on deaf ears.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
[....snip]

Posted by observer (here)
By the end of the eighteenth dynasty, like Jews the world over, the Egyptian people had become quite tired of these occasional Hittite [Hyksos] Pharaohs. So-much-so that Pharaoh Tuthmosis IV was run-out of Egypt.

So, all of the evidence of "Moses" wandering in the wilderness is true and accurate with one big exception:

• Moses was the disposed Pharaoh Tuthmosis IV.
• His Hebrew 'nation' was the disposed Habaru that traveled with him.
• And of course, the Old Testament was simply a fairy-tale story created by the Levitt Scribes to justify the 'stealing of a nation' - Canaan.
• The alleged forty years of wandering was nothing more than the amount of time it took for these 'wandering Jews' to come-up with the fairy-tail so that they could justify their actions.

please show me you're source as it sounds like fiction to me and I can't find the info [...snip]

Again, it is impossible to show the conclusion of fifty years of research in one single link. As I have previously stated, these descriptions came from my memory. I can give you a list of researchers to read (but what's the point - would you read any of them?):

David Icke - "Tales From the Time Loop" - (go to Chapter Nine and read it in its entirety):
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bi...timeloop09.htm
Icke gives an excellent perspective on the true history of what occurred in antiquity.

Go to Icke's sources and find the books he referances. (I couldn't find any free copies for you to link). Here, you might gain some understanding of what is being presented:

Ralph Ellis's website:
http://freespace.virgin.net/kena.edfu/abraham.html

See Icke's book, "The Biggest Secret". Go to Chapter Four and read it in its entirety:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bi...stsecret04.htm

Check-out all of Icke's sources on this subject. One will find they all concur with the spirit of what I said in Comment #11.

There is so much evidence available to prove the Holy Bible is nothing more than a contrived story to support the enslavement of Humanity. In order to even gain an understanding of what I'm speaking, one must be willing to look outside the compartment of mind suppression that is created by reading the sort of rubbish found within the pages of this alleged Holy Bible.

I reiterate to you again: "Do The Research !!!"

Posted by RedeZra (here)
[....snip]

Posted by observer (here)
It has also been speculated by several researchers that the reason the Egyptians were so 'pissed-off' at Tuthmosis was because he had stolen an ancient artifact from his adopted country before he bolted.

The dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant (as depicted in the Old Testament) very closely match the dimensions of the empty sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid of Cheops.

According to many researchers this particular pyramid was (quite possibly) an ancient hyperdimensional weapon - predating even ancient Egyptian history. If this were the case, than this Ark would have been a critical component of that hyperdimensional weapon. An assumption that exactly matches the description of that device the Israelites were carrying around with them in the wilderness.

I'm sorry but it's just sad to read such unsubstantiated rubbish ; )[....snip]

First, allow me to point-out the Bible in Exodus clearly states that the Israelites left Egypt with the plunder of great wealth.

Exodus 12:35-36:
35: And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment:
36: And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians.

There are many interpretations of these words (and other similar passages in the Book of Exodus). Plunder is one of them.

Additionally, Nassim Haramein, an alternative physicist, has spoken extensively on the hyperdimensional powers of the Ark in which he reiterates the claim that the Israelites took the Ark of the Covenant from the great pyramid at Giza:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9UPnTUMCh80
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qyVBM...1&feature=fvwp
(I suggest you watch the entire series)

I would also strongly suggest you read "Cosmic War" by Dr. Joseph P. Farrell (with a Doctorate Degree in Theology from Oxford University). It sheds new understanding on the history of antiquity.

And finely....

Posted by RedeZra (here)
[....snip]
I think you know that deliberate deceivers and irreverent ignoramuses write books too... but why pick them all the time ??

In the seeking of 'Truth', one follows the evidence. When the evidence overwhelmingly suggests the book known as the Holy Bible is nothing more than a plagiarized version of much more ancient records - re-construed to suit a political gain - one must follow the evidence that leads to such a conclusion.

In seeking a validation of the Holy Bible, one is continuously confronted with contradictions - from the validation of the events in the Old Testament, to the clandestine creation of the Gospels in the New Testament.

When on a mission to seek the truth, one must be to be willing and able to follow this evidential trail.

And in conclusion, Red, I might add:
This forum is a platform for new and revolutionary ideas. Most of the members are here to explore new concepts. Because, the old concepts are not working !!!

For someone to come into this forum and post (now, nearly 1,100) comments supporting the old dogma of a belief system that was created to control the Masses.... well, it just seemed my duty as an observer to draw a line and make a stand....

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
as for UR, where religion began 11,500 years ago... The Original Avalon, a gathering of survivors of the Ice Age

Mount Judi is the exact location where the Ark came to rest after the Great Flood according to many old sources like the Quran and so it fits perfectly that the oldest human-made place of worship yet discovered should be so close to the Ark


In the 1980s adventurer and self-styled archaeologist Ron Wyatt and his colleague David Fasold claimed to have discovered Noah's Ark at Durupınar some twenty miles from Mt. Ararat near a mountain locals called Mount Judi

"And the word was spoken: "O earth! swallow up thy waters! And, O sky, cease [thy rain]!" And the water sank into the earth, and the will [of God] was done, and the ark came to rest on Mount Judi. And the word was spoken: "Away with these evil doing folk!" - (Quran, 11:44)

the radiocarbon dates of charcoal found in the lowest levels of Göbekli Tepe dates it to some 9000BC ?! ...which most likely even predates the Deluge by several thousand years

Göbekli Tepe would be a staggering 6000 years older than the nearby Sumer city-states... and that is a huge empty gap of Middle East history !


the method of radiocarbon dating is perhaps the most precise method of dating some thousand years back in time... but it only works on organic materials and presupposes a constant rate of decay also during cataclysmic earth events... which probably is not the case at all

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God has destroyed evil en masse in the past for God is not only Love but Just too ; )

imagine with my gifts connecting to the ancient bloodline leading back 11,500 years, and being part of my Spiritual tree, able to communicate to find answers...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Beren (here)
Well I guess it`s more important will Lady Gaga will emerge from egg shell or will she wear a beefsteak again than to view that there are some that actually physically found all that was written about in Bible...

It`s modern today to trash all that contains truth in order to make people sleep further...

Agreed fully. When you think of how a magician works, you can see the corporate (government, elite, media, banking, -whatever) magic at work. Distract with the right hand so you don't see the left ....

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
as for UR, where religion began 11,500 years ago... The Original Avalon, a gathering of survivors of the Ice Age

Mount Judi is the exact location where the Ark came to rest after the Great Flood according to many old sources like the Quran and so it fits perfectly that the oldest human-made place of worship yet discovered should be so close to the Ark


In the 1980s adventurer and self-styled archaeologist Ron Wyatt and his colleague David Fasold claimed to have discovered Noah's Ark at Durupınar some twenty miles from Mt. Ararat near a mountain locals called Mount Judi

"And the word was spoken: "O earth! swallow up thy waters! And, O sky, cease [thy rain]!" And the water sank into the earth, and the will [of God] was done, and the ark came to rest on Mount Judi. And the word was spoken: "Away with these evil doing folk!" - (Quran, 11:44)

the radiocarbon dates of charcoal found in the lowest levels of Göbekli Tepe dates it to some 9000BC ?! ...which most likely even predates the Deluge by several thousand years

Göbekli Tepe would be a staggering 6000 years older than the nearby Sumer city-states... and that is a huge empty gap of Middle East history !


the method of radiocarbon dating is perhaps the most precise method of dating some thousand years back in time... but it only works on organic materials and presupposes a constant rate of decay also during cataclysmic earth events... which probably is not the case at all

---

God has destroyed evil en masse in the past for God is not only Love but Just too ; )

imagine with my gifts connecting to the ancient bloodline leading back 11,500 years, and being part of my Spiritual tree, able to communicate to find answers...

now, to see the step that is missing, imagine you are here and when you get there you are far, or tranlated into Bostonian U R Ha and U R Fa

Urfa is by the great salt lake, so if the ocean was that high, as water receded the huge monuments were built and Sumerian ET images appeared along with sky charts...

[Rocky_Shorz]

the simple answer to peace on earth is knowing where it all began

knowing truth begins with T then T UR Key...

[Rocky_Shorz]

notice the Wings...

from Turkey ~ 1000 BC


The eastern and southern coasts of the gulf had been shaped by the Nur Mountains (Turkish: Nur Dağları, literally "Mountains of Holy Light")

(NUr) in your Mountains

[Jay]

Egyptian archaeologists have unearthed 5,200-year-old rock drawing depicting a royal festival during Ancient Egypt's earliest dynasty. Scenes in drawing part
of a series of rock drawings featuring hunting, fighting and celebrations along the banks of the Nile River. Can't find pic (Don't know if this is the correct thread to post this - Announced yesterday)

[Rocky_Shorz]

bring all of them forward so we can compare the different writings. 11,500 years ago it looked like Es and dashes...

I noticed something curious...

According to calculations Elenin X-1 passes the Earth in October. It will be seen with binoculars or through naked eye. **Then he touched a comet and the orbit of Mercury, if not dissipated** (absolutely confused phrasing), then goes away from the solar system. And we won’t see it for another 12.000 years... link

so 500 years after it last passed, the Spirituality center of the world was built...

[<8>]

Hi

A new take of the story of the bible.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3ris3YCcmYk

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3ris3YCcmYk

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)
And in conclusion, Red, I might add:
This forum is a platform for new and revolutionary ideas. Most of the members are here to explore new concepts. Because, the old concepts are not working !!!

For someone to come into this forum and post (now, nearly 1,100) comments supporting the old dogma of a belief system that was created to control the Masses.... well, it just seemed my duty as an observer to draw a line and make a stand....

explore what you want ; )


I don't mind if you refuse to watch the evidences in the clips I posted above

but then I ask that you show me evidences as well

and not just clips of unsubstantiated blabber

[Rocky_Shorz]

new concepts have nothing to do with new beliefs...

a hot flashy new age Guru pops in to tell us spinning on our heads is the way to enlightenment I'll sit and watch knowing what I believe, that is why it is called belief...

[Rocky_Shorz]

a new concept is understanding these books weren't written by God, and the world and man were around before any holy books were dreamed of...

doesn't mean my understanding of God is wrong, just the writings of men who came before us...

It's a history book with touches of hope, how it is interpreted is what causes the problems...

[RedeZra]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
a new concept is understanding these books weren't written by God, and the world and man were around before any holy books were dreamed of...

doesn't mean my understanding of God is wrong, just the writings of men who came before us...

It's a history book with touches of hope, how it is interpreted is what causes the problems...

the clips posted above unequivocally show that some of the stories in the Bible are archeological confirmed... and that these archeological evidences are suppressed by the PTB and the Establishment

so those that say the Bible is a book of fiction are just being tricked and kept in the dark by the Elite

now the Bible is one of the oldest writings of humanity... and many passages from it are backed up with archeological facts and human artifacts



still I cannot conclude that all the stories in the Bible are 100% true and factual

but I believe that those who think the whole book is a work of fiction for control are 100% ignoramuses

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
a new concept is understanding these books weren't written by God, and the world and man were around before any holy books were dreamed of...

doesn't mean my understanding of God is wrong, just the writings of men who came before us...

It's a history book with touches of hope, how it is interpreted is what causes the problems...

the clips posted above unequivocally show that some of the stories in the Bible are archeological confirmed... and that these archeological evidences are suppressed by the PTB and the Establishment

so those that say the Bible is a book of fiction are just being tricked and kept in the dark by the Elite

now the Bible is one of the oldest writings of humanity... and many passages from it are backed up with archeological facts and human artifacts



still I cannot conclude that all the stories in the Bible are 100% true and factual

but I believe that those who think the whole book is a work of fiction for control are 100% ignoramuses

The bible is around 1700 years old, there are other ''religious'' books older than that.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think we are getting closer to the real truth. This thread proves the bible is historically accurate in some aspects. I agree. Was that such a surprise? The bible is one of the greatest compilations of historical accounts ever collected into one book.

And yes, it is not the only great work of ancient times, or the oldest.

But the real truth is far older. The real history, the real story is yet to be uncovered/told. That much I am personally convinced of.

And when that story is heard, it will make sense of all the separate, disjointed and indistinct facts and beliefs the peoples of earth have struggled to comprehend for countless generations.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
The bible is around 1700 years old, there are other ''religious'' books older than that.

why do you keep stepping in the salad Sidious ; )

this is such an ignorant statement that I will take the time to prove you wrong


Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. A.D. 100) wrote the Antiquities of the Jews which is an account of history of the Jewish people based on the events of the historical books of the Hebrew Bible

if you're not able to do the math then I will spell it out for you that Josephus lived and wrote over 1700 years ago !

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
The bible is around 1700 years old, there are other ''religious'' books older than that.

why do you keep stepping in the salad Sidious ; )

this is such an ignorant statement that I will take the time to prove you wrong


Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. A.D. 100) wrote the Antiquities of the Jews which is an account of history of the Jewish people based on the events of the historical books of the Hebrew Bible

if you're not able to do the math then I will spell it out for you that Josephus lived and wrote over 1700 years ago !


I wish you had the decency to spend some minutes of investigation into matters you know little about instead of spamming this thread with easy refutable silly statements ; )

I didn't mean the jewish bible/old testament, I am speaking of the book that is currently referred to as ''The Bible'' by christians such as yourself.
That is dated from the council of nicaea.
Oh, and I like salad, especially with olives.
You assume a lot about what I know and don't know, yet you yourself make such silly statements.
The muslims are one of the only major religions to come after yours, most others predate you by THOUSANDS of years.
I wish you would investigate these things.