Ancient & Suppressed Discoveries with Jonathan Gray

[The One]

Six one hour audios with Jonathan Gray


xplorer and archaeologist Jonathan Gray discussed discoveries that demonstrate advanced ancient technology. Because such artifacts don't match current academic beliefs they are often suppressed, with evidence destroyed or hidden, he said, citing the Smithsonian Institution, and countries such as Peru, America, Israel, New Zealand, France, and Australia as being involved in covering-up evidence.

Some of the suppressed ancient discoveries he highlighted:

* A kind of glassware in Egypt and Peru that can be bent like plastic.

* Screen projectors used in Egyptian temples, with movement and sound simulation.

* Artifacts and buildings left on the moon-- Chinese records speak of trips to the moon.

* The 'Black Knight' satellite-- ancient races talked about putting up satellites.

* An ancient underground complex discovered in Southern California that included star charts on aluminum sheets.

* Micro-techology found in Russia, with some objects as small as 1/1000th of an inch.

* Maps of the ancient world that showed Antarctica as free of ice and populated.

* The Egyptian pyramids (as well as the structure at Baalbek) were built through a anti-gravity technology using sound waves to lift heavy objects.

* Underground tunnels that go for hundreds of miles appear to be cut with a laser beam.

* Ancient cave paintings depict people wearing modern clothes.

Gray also spoke about his challenge to the work of Zecharia Sitchin, who contends that an ET race, the Annunaki, visited Earth from the planet Nibiru. Sitchin's translations of Sumerian cuneiform does not match the accepted dictionary meanings, he commented

For all those interested in this enjoy http://www.archive.org/details/Ancie...thJonathanGray

[phillipbbg]

Ho hum there goes another 6 hours... cheers, now all I need is a rainy day... in the UK won't have to wait long..lol

I like the idea of flexi glass....as to what they would have used it for...Mmmmm

[DoubleHelix]

Terrific stuff, thanks The One for introducing me to this guy! I'll be buying some of his books for sure !

[Corncrake]

Thanks for posting - looking forward to listening. Excellent timing as I am reading Dead Men's Secrets at the moment.

[Teresa]

About an hour in and wow, verrrry interesting !!!! Huge amount of info to get through; get ready to adjust what you already may believe.

[Hervé]

Regarding Jonathan and Sitchin:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
As far as Sitchin goes:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by sshenry (here)
Maybe the question we should be asking ourselves isn't whether or not Sitchin was wrong (or right), but why will it concern so many if he is (or isn't)?

Here are some of the reasons from archeologist and author Jonathan Gray and his direct enquiry to Mr. Sitchin when still alive:

With Mr. Sitchin’s help, this bothersome matter could surely be resolved.

I waited… and waited… Seven weeks passed…

I recall vividly that Tuesday morning at the Thames post office. My heart was thumping heavily as I tore open the envelope. And there, inside, was a photocopy of my letter, with Mr. Sitchin’s few brief notes scribbled over it.

Now all would be clarified. I read on:

MY QUESTION NUMBER 1 WAS: I notice you translate “nephilim” as “people of the fiery rockets” and also “those who came down from heaven” (as closely as I remember the wording) Could you please explain how this is arrived at, using the rules of Hebrew morphology? Where do you get your understanding that "naphal" has to do with fire or rockets? In what ancient text does naphal have to do with fire or rockets?

SITCHIN’S COMPLETE RESPONSE: The Sumerian terms DIN and GUR - “people of the fiery rockets”; Anunnaki - “those who came down from heaven”. Full stop.

MY COMMENT: But, Mr S, did you see my question, which ancient text?

MY QUESTION 2: Which Sumerian text says that the Anunnaki come from the planet Nibiru - or have a connection to Nibiru, a 12th planet, or some other planet? Also that Nibiru is a planet beyond Pluto?

SITCHIN’S RESPONSE: Have you not read my books?? Stop.


COMMENT: Indeed, I had read his books. But my question was: where is the ancient text that says these things?
Okay, I had to be totally fair, so I referred Sitchin’s response to linguistic expert Michael S. Heiser, who earned his M.A. and Ph.D. in Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

DR HEISER’S RESPONSE: “Nice answer: ‘it's in my books.’ My point precisely. It’s in his books, but not in the Sumerian texts.”

MY QUESTION 3 TO MR SITCHIN WAS: Why do many of your important word meanings or translations of Sumerian and Mesopotamian words, differ so much from Mesopotamian cuneiform bilingual dictionaries?

SITCHIN’S RESPONSE: They do? Give a couple of examples!

Our friend Mr. S sounded surprised. But he had thrown down the challenge. So that was the direction now to go.
You ask, why must I pursue this? Two reasons:

1. Millions of well-meaning people had taken his theory on board. Whole lots of people were staking their lives – and even basing their whole world view - on Mr. S’s integrity.

2. I was responsible for having quoted this dear man as a source. In my book Dead Men’s Secrets I had cited Sitchin as a knowledgeable authority concerning the Sumerians.

Excerpts from J. Gray's "Is this really Sitchin Fiction?" (PDF file)

Sitchin didn't get a better review from Bailey, Clube and Napier in their "The Origin of Comets" either... so, right, it boils down to belief.

[onawah]

Posted by The One (here)

Gray also spoke about his challenge to the work of Zecharia Sitchin, who contends that an ET race, the Annunaki, visited Earth from the planet Nibiru. Sitchin's translations of Sumerian cuneiform does not match the accepted dictionary meanings, he commented

Not matching heretofore "accepted" theory is quite often a sign that the new theories are onto something...!
Sitchin's books make tremendous sense, and many of his conclusions have been verified by subsequent discoveries, such as the ancient gold mines in Afrrica and Michael Tellinger's findings, Adam's Calendar, etc. What better proof can there be?
I think Sitchin's gift was not so much as a scholar but as an intuitive who could think outside the box.
Those kinds of thinkers are always held up to scorn, unfortunately for the world.
So I for one am very pleased that Sitchin's books enjoy such a wide readership.
We ALL need to think outside the box more!

[Hervé]

Posted by onawah (here)

Posted by The One (here)

Gray also spoke about his challenge to the work of Zecharia Sitchin, who contends that an ET race, the Annunaki, visited Earth from the planet Nibiru. Sitchin's translations of Sumerian cuneiform does not match the accepted dictionary meanings, he commented

Not matching heretofore "accepted" theory is quite often a sign that the new theories are onto something...!

Not quite in this particular case, at least.

See the post above yours.

[Hervé]

Then there is this:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Hi Fred S.!

Here is an interesting view which largely differs from the [now] commonly held beliefs about Sumer and the Sumerians, from Johnathan Gray:

SUMERIAN ASTRONOMY
A key element of Sumero-Mesopotamian religion was a concern with heavenly bodies that could be observed with the naked eye - especially the sun, moon, and Venus, due to their ease of visibility.

We observed earlier that the Sumerian culture was a paradox. On the one hand, the Sumerians, had an advanced knowledge of astronomy, geography, medicine and virtually all the sciences.

On the other hand, they were an entirely practical people, with no urge to search for truth for its own sake. They sought for no underlying principles, and undertook no experiments for verification. (Samuel M. Kramer, From the Tablets of Sumer. Indian Hills: Falcon’s Wing Press, 1956, pp. xviii, 6, 32, 58, 59)

For this reason, their astronomy dealt only with the visible – that which might have a practical effect on their everyday life.

ASTRONOMY WAS RELIGIOUS
And they linked astronomy to their religion.

That is why Sumero-Mesopotamian religion had a key concern with heavenly bodies that could be observed with the naked eye - especially the Sun, Moon, and Venus, due to their ease of visibility.
(Please note, this has a direct bearing on what we discovered in the previous chapter concerning Nibiru. The Sumerian documents say that Nibiru is visible EVERY YEAR.)

It is important to realize that each visible heavenly body was artistically symbolized - and stood for a deity.

[...]

[onawah]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by onawah (here)

Posted by The One (here)

Gray also spoke about his challenge to the work of Zecharia Sitchin, who contends that an ET race, the Annunaki, visited Earth from the planet Nibiru. Sitchin's translations of Sumerian cuneiform does not match the accepted dictionary meanings, he commented

Not matching heretofore "accepted" theory is quite often a sign that the new theories are onto something...!

Not quite in this particular case, at least.

See the post above yours.

Not sure who you are directing to read the post above, Amzer Zo, but I did read ALL the posts.
As far as I could determine, Gray's viewpoint comes from the typical scholarly one, which allows for no conclusions based on intuition[/B] and [B]does not take into account the proof of Sitchin's work drawn from the discoveries of the ancient gold mines in Africa and Tellinger's discoveries of Adam's Calendar and more in South Africa.
And I do understand that Jonathan Gray's thinking in other cases is quite outside the box, but when it comes to Sitchin, he seems to be right back in the box again. Why is that?
But maybe you were directing someone else to read the "above post".

[Hervé]

Posted by onawah (here)

Not sure who you are directing to read the post above, Amzer Zo, but I did read ALL the posts.

That was directed at you, onawah... above your quoted post.

... the proof of Sitchin's work drawn from the discoveries of the ancient gold mines in Africa and Tellinger's discoveries of Adam's Calendar and more in South Africa.

That's also how disinfo works: some thruth so the whole package is swallowed.

And that's why Jonathan had to eat crow for referencing Sitchin in his "Dead Men's Secrets" as an "authority" on the Sumerian civilization.

Just saying that discernment's deadliest enemy is a snooze.

With all due respect.

[onawah]

Sorry Amzer Zo, your point eludes me.

I just listened to the first interview with Gray, and he would do well to see the documentary at:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=RFmWL...layer_embedded
when pinpointing the age of the structures at Giza, which the Russians logically concluded from their research must have been built over 10,500 years BC. Go about 51 minutes into the video to see why.

There is a very logical explanation of the demise of Atlantis at:
http://www.earth-keeper.com/EKnews_6-6-2010.htm
But of course, this being channeled information, would not be taken seriously by scholars, however logical it might be!
Many references to vast networks of underground tunnels are made in articles from earth_keeper.com created by the Atlanteans, some of them connecting different sacred sites. I can certainly understand why Gray is so fascinated by these tunnels!

Now I am listening to the second interview, and his point about the Sumerians only paying attention to planets they could see with the naked eye doesn't prove anything conclusively, because the ordinary people of Sumeria would not necessarily have had access to the Annunaki's knowledge of astronomy. Only the special class of the priesthood, the hybrids who were given more Annunaki DNA than the common people, were given access to that, according to Sitchin, and that seems quite logical.

I have to say, I don't think Sitchin was right about everything. It seems quite obvious to me that there have been other ET civilizations here besides the Annunaki, and the Annunaki were not responsible for the building of all that has been left behind from ancient times, nor do I believe they were the most advanced of our Visitors.. But I think he had a piece of the truth, however he may have arrived at his conclusions, so they should not be discounted just because they don't agree with every other Sumerian scholar's conclusions.

And while Gray is obviously able to go outside the box as a scholar, I think he is only willing to do that under certain circumstances, which still leaves quite a lot of territory yet to be explored.

[Calz]

Bringing over from another thread(s). Something to consider with Sitchin.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Regarding Jonathan and Sitchin:

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Interesting thread. Thanks pie'n'eal. I haven't read Sitchin's books. It's a shame they appear to connect dots that are non-existent. I remember reading his funding ties were to like the Rockefellers or something. Although my memory on that is a bit hazy. I haven't checked out any debunked sites about Sitchin either. But I am certainly interested in the Anunnaki. Does anyone have a source explaining Sumer and the Anunnaki that is not reputed to be channeling the info? Or reputed to make stuff up about it? I don't trust Sitchin's info enough to read his books.

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Perhaps someone can help me out as well.

I remember hearing from what I thought to be a reliable source that Zecharia was actually channeling anunnaki (automatic writing) on at least some of his material.

I am still trying to backtrack and find that source.

I did find a *hint* of sorts in that direction with the Jordan Maxwell Camelot interview.

Anyone???

I first heard this from Bill Ryan saying Jordan Maxwell told him that(or something along those lines). It's a post on this forum. Although I don't remember where. Maybe in the Anunnaki thread Bill made would be my guess.

Thanks Omni.

I was fairly certain it was within camelot/avalon in some fashion or another.

Cal

Spot on Omni

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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(snip)

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.

Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...light=zecharia

[onawah]

So I am listening now to the 3rd part of the Jonathan Gray interview, where he states that he thinks man has only been on the planet for 6,000 years, and that is definitely IN the box, as far as I am concerned. This interview so far is a very strange mix.

I have to say that I also agree with Bill Ryan's statement "We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.'
I think the ruling Annunaki really want us to believe that they were very powerful, God-like beings, and so Sitchin's work was probably tainted by that, but NOT fiction.

[Hervé]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Bringing over from another thread(s). Something to consider with Sitchin.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...light=zecharia

[/QUOTE]

Thank you Calz!

The huge red flag about Sitchin is his being endorsed and promoted by MSN. That, right away, should indicate there is propaganda afoot.

Most recent discoveries also shed some light on the bashing of the bible as an historical account by same author and his ilk.

Check out this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post243751

[onawah]

LOL! This thread is too weird for me. Have fun, but I am out of here!

[Calz]

Posted by onawah (here)
LOL! This thread is too weird for me. Have fun, but I am out of here!

Have not checked out the other linked thread yet ... still have 3 more of the segments to go ... but sure am having fun with Gray's interview(s).



Good stuff


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Finished all 6 segments.

The 2 interviews were compelling but I am a little "put off" by some of the stuff on his site.

Thanks for the link.

[Dawn]

I have a piece to add to this discussion. Johnathan Gray believes, after his lifetime of study, that there has been no alien bloodline intervention. In my family there is an ancestor from the wealthy bloodlines. After choosing to marry for love, she was written out of the family bible and disinherited. My sister has spent exhaustive hours researching our family tree, including this great, great grandmother. With membership to a fairly expensive on line database, she was able to trace the line back to Charlemagne, Enoch, and finally 'ovum of the Pleiades'. Without the key for this search (ie: the name of my ancestor and her parents) you cannot get to this information, because it is hidden in the winding path of bloodlines. So, if no alien genetic intervention... they why 'ovum of the Pleiades' hmmmm?

[Calz]

Posted by The Abundant Traveler (here)
I have a piece to add to this discussion. Johnathan Gray believes, after his lifetime of study, that there has been no alien bloodline intervention. In my family there is an ancestor from the wealthy bloodlines. After choosing to marry for love, she was written out of the family bible and disinherited. My sister has spent exhaustive hours researching our family tree, including this great, great grandmother. With membership to a fairly expensive on line database, she was able to trace the line back to Charlemagne, Enoch, and finally 'ovum of the Pleiades'. Without the key for this search (ie: the name of my ancestor and her parents) you cannot get to this information, because it is hidden in the winding path of bloodlines. So, if no alien genetic intervention... they why 'ovum of the Pleiades' hmmmm?

As with most everything the information being brought forth should not be viewed with a "black/white" lense.

Hence his name "Gray"

Some of his personal conclusions from his lifetime studies I do not resonate with ... but that does not detract from the fact he brings forth a great deal of important archaeological information along the path.

The core of his radio interview has to do with *suppressed* history and that is really quite good. His material is not all unique (Cremo as the best known name) but he does a good job of presenting the material.

IMHO