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    below i'm posting again the hopi prophecy regarding the two kachinas.

    The following is an excerpt from LAST CRY Native American Prophecies & Tales of the End Times, by Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf, 1994-2004.
    According to the Natives themselves then Robert Ghost Wolf is not Native American but a plastic shaman snakeoil salesman... meaning that 'Ghost Wolf' spins stories to lighten your wallet ; )


    http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=51.0
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    I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....
    You know swampfox, I wonder the same thing.

    Dan Burisch said we were definitely on a different timeline other than the destructive T2 line. Our military started playing with the yellow book or Orion cube, and opened a new time line back in the late 1940's. (T1)

    So what if nothing happens. What if this comet and brown dwarf do minimal damage. He said the one we are on is totally untested. No one has seen the future possibilities on this line since we were told to disassemble the device and never use it again.

    On the original T2, that line was known as disastrous, with researchers and some senate members not being able to see anything after 2012. They hit a wall after seeing Washington, DC under brackish water right after 2012.

    For what it is worth, food for thought and discussion, here is a synopsis from the Camelot library.

    http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

    Meeting with Dan Burisch on 10 December, 2007

    Dan had been incommunicado and unavailable during most of the latter half of 2007, during which time he had been called back 'inside' to participate in a project of considerable National Security importance (see this page for Marci McDowell's public statement about Dan's 'sabbatical'). After he was released from his duties, we met with him for several hours... and were told an amazing story.

    We have kept this fully confidential (for reasons which will become obvious as you read on). The information contained intelligence data about probable future events which was gained through a high-tech investigation into possible and probable future timelines. The device used was known as the Orion Cube. [Click on the image to enlarge.]

    The purpose of the project was to establish whether or not the danger from Timeline 2 - in which the 2012 pole shift was set to occur, according to information communicated from time traveling future humans - had been averted.

    Those familiar with Dan's testimony in our previous interviews (and also summarized here) will know that it was learned from the future humans that it was Stargate and Looking Glass technology that had precipitated the catastrophe by amplifying the energetic effects from micro-wormholes encountered as the Earth journeyed through a particular region of space (which, on this timeline in which you are reading this page, we are approaching now).

    The Looking Glasses and Stargates have now been decommissioned or destroyed. In theory, all was well - but this had to be checked.

    The project had two outcomes:

    1) It was confirmed that the 2012 catastrophe had been averted.

    2) Given (1) above - i.e. that that we were now on Timeline 1, not the disastrous Timeline 2 - the rest of the project was devoted to recovering data about probable events on this new, untraveled timeline. The most probable sequence of events, among a large number of potential variants, was evaluated to be variant 83.

    Timeline 1, variant 83

    T1v83, as it's known, did not contain good news for you and us, the citizens of the world. For this reason we did not publicize any of the information, assuming that it was highly classified. Because - and this is important - this bad-news variant now seems to be changing, we have sought permission from Dan to publish what we can of this - because it offers a message of hope and understanding. To Dan's enormous credit, he has agreed.

    Here are the details: first the information that was retrieved, and second how it has changed.

    What was seen was that Hillary Clinton - most interestingly, with John Kerry as her Vice President - would win the White House in November 2008. The Bush Administration, however, would before then launch a nuclear strike against Iran, the escalating repercussions of which would cross over into the new administration and also precipitate a major economic collapse.

    Geopolitical events thereafter would continue to deteriorate with a strike by Pakistan against India, an attack by China against India, and finally a nuclear exchange between the US, Russia and China. By then it would be 2010, so these events do not all occur at once.

    What follows is then what is new. Mike McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence and old MJ-1 - and who is a good man (in Dan's words: Majestic's moral compass) - was so incensed at the current administration's glee at the prospect of Iran attack that he instructed his intelligence apparatus to publish the National Intelligence Estimate, in which it was stated that Iran presented no nuclear threat. This was the first major change in variant 83.

    Shortly after that, Benazir Bhutto herself was assassinated. Benazir was party to the findings of the 2007 project and was fully briefed about variant 83. Her personal mission was to avert the Pakistani nuclear strike, and in variant 83 it had been seen that she was very politically active - although unsuccessful.

    We do not know this as fact, but we feel that readers may draw their own conclusions about why she might have been 'eliminated' shortly after the publication of the NIE. It must be remembered that there are many factions and individuals behind the scenes that WANT these foreseen events to transpire.

    Most significantly, since her death there is now a coalition government in Pakistan which in itself may be sufficient to avert the strike against India. This is another departure from variant 83.

    In our long conversation, Marci McDowell likened the publication of the NIE to nudging an aimed rifle barrel so that the metaphorical bullet (i.e. the predicted outcome) would instead hit another target. Readers will have noticed that there have been political attempts in certain quarters (not only within the US!) to straighten the rifle barrel again. But this does not appear to have worked... so far.

    This might be premature at the time of writing (10 April 2008), but it does look as if Barack Obama - not Hillary Clinton - may be the next President. If so, this further departure from variant 83 may be the most significant of all.

    We all co-create our world

    So this is a message of hope and informed optimism. It seems that the bad-news variant 83 has already been broken. What new variant we may now be on, we do not know - and possibly no-one does.

    But here's what's critical to remember, always: we are not just passengers in a world where the events are determined by others, while we just helplessly and passively watch the outcomes as so much TV. We are all involved in the process, and - as we have remarked many times - are all responsible for co-creating our future.

    We all vote on the world we will experience, whether consciously aware of this or not. It is in our view critically important that people are informed about the games being played, the hidden agendas, and what is at stake. This is the entire mission of Project Camelot.

    Now we have published this, none of us, duly informed, can be unconscious any more. So here is our request of you, personally: Do NOT permit these foreseen events to take place.
    With Peace and Love, Mandala
    "Be the change you wish to see." Mahatma Gandhi




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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    You can download Richard Hoagland's phone interview with C2C about Elenin etc from this page here:

    http://exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/conte...l-story-elenin

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    Bob Dean spoke about nibiru, yes they found it, and it scares the hell out of nasa, it depends on earth being on the same side of the sun as nibiru. if that happens we get the hell smacked out of us. ( project camelot interview) Mr Dean spoke alot about this subject, HE is one person I trust more than most. Bob Dean is a man of honor.
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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    Bob Dean spoke about nibiru, yes they found it, and it scares the hell out of nasa, it depends on earth being on the same side of the sun as nibiru. if that happens we get the hell smacked out of us. ( project camelot interview) Mr Dean spoke alot about this subject, HE is one person I trust more than most. Bob Dean is a man of honor.
    He also put the timetable around 2016-7 did he not?

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    below i'm posting again the hopi prophecy regarding the two kachinas.

    The following is an excerpt from LAST CRY Native American Prophecies & Tales of the End Times, by Dr. Robert Ghost Wolf, 1994-2004.
    According to the Natives themselves then Robert Ghost Wolf is not Native American but a plastic shaman snakeoil salesman... meaning that 'Ghost Wolf' spins stories to lighten your wallet ; )


    http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=51.0
    he collected prophecies but didn't write them. apart from that it doesn't matter either way because it won't make scientific facts or bible and other prophecy invalid.

    anyway, i see most people still live in denial and try to find excuses so they don't have to face the facts. the theory with the two timelines where in one we avoid nibiru and in the other we don't is the most laughable of all. that thing cannot be avoided. the diameter of its outer magnetic field is 16 AU and 41 times the strength of jupiter. it tilted saturn 90° in december last year, caused cracks and sinkholes on its moons (same we see beginning on earth now, and that's just the magnetic bands, not even the full strength of the outer field) and it follows approx. 8 AU behind elenin which means its outer magnetic field reaches earth in early september (fortunately for us with the sun as shield inbetween).

    honestly, it's impossible to disprove the logic and the conclusions drawn in that file, it's all based on close observation and calculations. the only guesswork is the time it takes planet x to reach earth because it depends on its acceleration as it comes closer to the sun. everything else has been proven by facts.

    i rest my case. believe what you want.
    Among the blind the one-eyed is a madman.

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    I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....
    I’m just finishing John Lash’s ‘Not in His Image : Gnostic vision, sacred ecology, and the future of belief’ in which he states that Sophia’s (Gaia’s) incarnation as the Earth was originally intended as a three-body system with the Moon and the Sun.

    Unexpectedly however, Archons came into being (led by the ‘Demiurge’) – ‘the inorganic cyborg-like species that inhabits the solar system exclusive of the earth’ and get into our brains. According to Lash, the Archons created the rest of the solar system apart from Sun Earth and Moon. They are therefore the source of anything untoward threatening this triad.

    Whatever is actually going on doesn’t really matter. There are many possible scenarios here. We just need to carry on doing whatever we are doing to help this beautiful planet, which has two powerful allies in the Sun and Moon. For me this means staying grounded. In one sense, all this off-planet stuff including ET is an irrelevance or even a distraction. Let’s just stay focused on the job at hand, which is different for each of us.

    If the job at hand is in the basement, it is a mistake to be worrying about goings-on in the attic.
    Too many cooks spoil the broth as they say.

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

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    PS you link does not work for me but that might be because I use Ubuntu Linux
    Chris

    I am having some trouble too but I think I found a pdf of the same thing???

    Can anyone else confirm?

    http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files...-of-truth1.pdf

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    I had a quick look and it appears to be the same one Calz.Good find

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    PS you link does not work for me but that might be because I use Ubuntu Linux
    Chris

    I am having some trouble too but I think I found a pdf of the same thing???

    Can anyone else confirm?

    http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files...-of-truth1.pdf
    Yes Claz thats the same, I joined scribd.com then it downloaded.
    The Truth is Within put a lot of work into it.
    I hope he is not entirely correct but it is in line with part of what David Sereda says regarding a massive band of electro magnetism heading our way.
    David Sereda has a positive out come regarding possible change of DNA and consciousness.
    We dont have long to wait.
    As said I really appreciate the depth study and information that "The Truth is Within" has brought to the subject.

    Chris

    ps the interviews is in quite a few parts this is only the first so best to follow on in u tube.

    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

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    I am having some trouble too but I think I found a pdf of the same thing???

    Can anyone else confirm?

    http://thetruthbehindthescenes.files...-of-truth1.pdf
    Yep!

    That's the very one!

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    Amazing!

    I had seen the images of the massive storm on Saturn but today was the first I heard of Saturn's 90% tilt.

    Yipes.

    So much info is coming out so quickly it's getting hard to keep up with.

    Thanks to Truth for pounding the table on this (and all other contributors as well).

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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Amazing!

    I had seen the images of the massive storm on Saturn but today was the first I heard of Saturn's 90% tilt.

    Yipes.

    So much info is coming out so quickly it's getting hard to keep up with.

    Thanks to Truth for pounding the table on this (and all other contributors as well).

    Yes that tilting of Saturn is interesting.I'm wondering if amateur astronomers can get a decent view of Saturn and if they can then shouldn't it be all over the net.I just had a quick search and couldn't find any confirmation of it.I'll keep looking.

    cheers

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    to avoid misunderstandings here i just wanted to add that that file is not mine. i just found it so it wasn't really much work from my side
    unfortunately the author isn't mentioned but judging from info in the text it seems to be a very smart amateur fellow from the US.
    Among the blind the one-eyed is a madman.

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

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    Quote Posted by jsb_swampfox (here)
    I am starting to wonder if we are manifesting this timeline by putting so much effort into this subject. Maybe Inelia is right, We create our own timelines. I dont know anymore, I am trying not to let fear enter into my head, but it is a hard not to. There is a lot of evidence....
    You know swampfox, I wonder the same thing.

    Dan Burisch said we were definitely on a different timeline other than the destructive T2 line. Our military started playing with the yellow book or Orion cube, and opened a new time line back in the late 1940's. (T1)

    So what if nothing happens. What if this comet and brown dwarf do minimal damage. He said the one we are on is totally untested. No one has seen the future possibilities on this line since we were told to disassemble the device and never use it again.

    On the original T2, that line was known as disastrous, with researchers and some senate members not being able to see anything after 2012. They hit a wall after seeing Washington, DC under brackish water right after 2012.

    For what it is worth, food for thought and discussion, here is a synopsis from the Camelot library.

    http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

    Meeting with Dan Burisch on 10 December, 2007

    Dan had been incommunicado and unavailable during most of the latter half of 2007, during which time he had been called back 'inside' to participate in a project of considerable National Security importance (see this page for Marci McDowell's public statement about Dan's 'sabbatical'). After he was released from his duties, we met with him for several hours... and were told an amazing story.

    We have kept this fully confidential (for reasons which will become obvious as you read on). The information contained intelligence data about probable future events which was gained through a high-tech investigation into possible and probable future timelines. The device used was known as the Orion Cube. [Click on the image to enlarge.]

    The purpose of the project was to establish whether or not the danger from Timeline 2 - in which the 2012 pole shift was set to occur, according to information communicated from time traveling future humans - had been averted.

    Those familiar with Dan's testimony in our previous interviews (and also summarized here) will know that it was learned from the future humans that it was Stargate and Looking Glass technology that had precipitated the catastrophe by amplifying the energetic effects from micro-wormholes encountered as the Earth journeyed through a particular region of space (which, on this timeline in which you are reading this page, we are approaching now).

    The Looking Glasses and Stargates have now been decommissioned or destroyed. In theory, all was well - but this had to be checked.

    The project had two outcomes:

    1) It was confirmed that the 2012 catastrophe had been averted.

    2) Given (1) above - i.e. that that we were now on Timeline 1, not the disastrous Timeline 2 - the rest of the project was devoted to recovering data about probable events on this new, untraveled timeline. The most probable sequence of events, among a large number of potential variants, was evaluated to be variant 83.

    Timeline 1, variant 83

    T1v83, as it's known, did not contain good news for you and us, the citizens of the world. For this reason we did not publicize any of the information, assuming that it was highly classified. Because - and this is important - this bad-news variant now seems to be changing, we have sought permission from Dan to publish what we can of this - because it offers a message of hope and understanding. To Dan's enormous credit, he has agreed.

    Here are the details: first the information that was retrieved, and second how it has changed.

    What was seen was that Hillary Clinton - most interestingly, with John Kerry as her Vice President - would win the White House in November 2008. The Bush Administration, however, would before then launch a nuclear strike against Iran, the escalating repercussions of which would cross over into the new administration and also precipitate a major economic collapse.

    Geopolitical events thereafter would continue to deteriorate with a strike by Pakistan against India, an attack by China against India, and finally a nuclear exchange between the US, Russia and China. By then it would be 2010, so these events do not all occur at once.

    What follows is then what is new. Mike McConnell, the Director of National Intelligence and old MJ-1 - and who is a good man (in Dan's words: Majestic's moral compass) - was so incensed at the current administration's glee at the prospect of Iran attack that he instructed his intelligence apparatus to publish the National Intelligence Estimate, in which it was stated that Iran presented no nuclear threat. This was the first major change in variant 83.

    Shortly after that, Benazir Bhutto herself was assassinated. Benazir was party to the findings of the 2007 project and was fully briefed about variant 83. Her personal mission was to avert the Pakistani nuclear strike, and in variant 83 it had been seen that she was very politically active - although unsuccessful.

    We do not know this as fact, but we feel that readers may draw their own conclusions about why she might have been 'eliminated' shortly after the publication of the NIE. It must be remembered that there are many factions and individuals behind the scenes that WANT these foreseen events to transpire.

    Most significantly, since her death there is now a coalition government in Pakistan which in itself may be sufficient to avert the strike against India. This is another departure from variant 83.

    In our long conversation, Marci McDowell likened the publication of the NIE to nudging an aimed rifle barrel so that the metaphorical bullet (i.e. the predicted outcome) would instead hit another target. Readers will have noticed that there have been political attempts in certain quarters (not only within the US!) to straighten the rifle barrel again. But this does not appear to have worked... so far.

    This might be premature at the time of writing (10 April 2008), but it does look as if Barack Obama - not Hillary Clinton - may be the next President. If so, this further departure from variant 83 may be the most significant of all.

    We all co-create our world

    So this is a message of hope and informed optimism. It seems that the bad-news variant 83 has already been broken. What new variant we may now be on, we do not know - and possibly no-one does.

    But here's what's critical to remember, always: we are not just passengers in a world where the events are determined by others, while we just helplessly and passively watch the outcomes as so much TV. We are all involved in the process, and - as we have remarked many times - are all responsible for co-creating our future.

    We all vote on the world we will experience, whether consciously aware of this or not. It is in our view critically important that people are informed about the games being played, the hidden agendas, and what is at stake. This is the entire mission of Project Camelot.

    Now we have published this, none of us, duly informed, can be unconscious any more. So here is our request of you, personally: Do NOT permit these foreseen events to take place.

    Thanks Mandala, that is very interesting, I hope we have adverted that timeline. There is just something in my gut that is a bit uneasy with this comet,planet x, niburu......thing. It is very hard to discern all the info that is out there. This pole shift thing scares me, more so because of where I live. Thanks for your input
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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    Here is what Leonid has to say about HIS comet (sorta refutes a lot of this, incl. Hoagland) http://spaceobs.org/en/asteroids-comets/faq/

    THIS JUST IN: SpaceObs.org was disabled by Leonid Elenin on Friday, July 29, 2011 at 4:10am."We have determined that based on the excessive resource utilization your account is not a good fit for a VPS account since not only your VPS is crashing due to the high resource usage but you are also impacting the actual hardware node on which the VPS is created. Unfortunately due to the severe nature of the problem your web service access has been disabled."

    Sorry, but now server was disabled. I can't pay for dedicate server.
    .

    Could you explain to us how did you discover the comet?

    The discovery of comet is result of huge work. Survey observations on ISON-NM observatory was started on July 13 2010. Each clear night I observe tens of square degrees of starry sky and measure several thousand asteroids, which caught in the field of view of our 18″ telescope. For speed up the images processing, I use our software CLT. Of course discovery of comet is a fortuity, but in this case it’s a “appropriate” fortuity.

    Edgar luis Gomez

    Does exist any danger for the Earth with the comet?

    No, my comet will pass at distance 34 400 000 km from the Earth. For example, minimal distance to another planet of Solar System – Venus is 38 000 000 km. This distance is completely safe for us. Earth may pass through the comet tail, but this event is not dangerous also. In 1910 Earth passed through the Halley’s comet tail and nothing happened.

    Edgar luis Gomez

    What is the diameter of the core of your Comet?

    I can’t exactly answer on this question, I estimate size as 3-4 kilometers in diameter. We can determine size of nucleus by photometry measurements of comet nucleus. But in our case comet is active and they was active when I discovered it. For the rough size estimate I used several images of my comet taken by 2-m Faulkes Telescope North. I tried to exclude influence of coma but this measurements still approximate. If Arecibo will observe my comet, we can determine nucleus size with high accuracy.

    Alexander Firsov

    Can you explain the relationship of the comet with the planet Nibiru? Or is it a myth?

    This topic is now being widely discussed in the West; the virus has not yet gotten to us. Honestly, I do not fully grasp the topic of Nibiru, I have only general isolated information. As I understand it, the close approach of Nibiru to the Earth is supposed to happen in December 2012. My comet will pass by the Earth in October 2011. This disconnect doesn’t phase the Nibiru proponents, and they have rewritten the chronology. In December 2012 the comet will already be far from the Earth, beyond the orbit of Jupiter! Furthermore, Nibiru is a rather massive body; it is a planet. The diameter of the core of the comet is only several kilometers, which in no way approaches that of a planet, to say nothing of the fact that if Nibiru were the size of Jupiter, it would have been visible to the UNAIDED eye LONG AGO. But no one has seen it. Every massive body leaves behind it a “gravitational tail”. It influences other bodies. Celestial mechanics has been understood for a long time, and now we have been able achieve accuracy as never before. We send spacecraft to the edge of the Solar System, where, after many years, the spacecraft reach their goal! Thus traveled the Pioneers and the Voyagers. Now New Horizons also travels there. If Nibiru were nearby, we would have discovered it by its gravitational effect (by the way, that’s how, a tiny pinpoint, Neptune was discovered in the middle of the 19th century!). I continue, my comet is only a comet which will pass near the Earth. It has happened in the past; it will happen in the future. I suggest we simply enjoy the coming spectacle that is totally harmless to the Earth. To look at the beauty of the Cosmos around us…

    Rob Weller

    Let me know if this is a mistake, or is your comet going to make what appears to be a 180 degree turn on May 30.

    Yes, it does appear to make a sharp turn. It’s a trick of perspective. Remember that the actual path of the comet is in three dimensions around the Sun and you are looking at its movement from the Earth, which also moves around the Sun.
    Like all Solar System objects, the comet does move on a curve (a hyperbola), but it is more gradual than that. It looks sharper because we are seeing it “from the side”. To understand how perspective distorts the view, you can use a 3D model of the Solar System such as the Java-based orbital diagram in the JPL Small-Body Database Browser:
    http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.c…
    Turn off all orbits except the comet’s, set “Center:” to Earth and rotate and zoom the view. You’ll see how the apparent path changes when seen from different angles.
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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

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    "The return of the Blue Star Katchina... ".
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    The trouble with assigning Elenin to the "Blue Kachina" is that, according to the last JPL corrections, the Elenin period is 1 million years.

    That is, the last time Elenin was around our solar system was 1 Million years ago. And I am not sure the Hopi tradition goes that far back?

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    I came across this interview with Richard Hoagland about Elenin.. Is it actually a time capsule with the codes for survival sent into space by a previous civilization 13,000 years ago? Definitely worth a listen:

    http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-110726.php

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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

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    to avoid misunderstandings here i just wanted to add that that file is not mine. i just found it so it wasn't really much work from my side
    unfortunately the author isn't mentioned but judging from info in the text it seems to be a very smart amateur fellow from the US.
    I'd love to read it but I cannot open it on my Mac nor on a Windows machine. Is it possible to copy/paste the good stuff here?
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    Default Re: Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!

    Now let's dispel some of the spells the gloom & doom propagandists are casting all over the place.

    The most accurate description of that mysterious (there it is that propaganda... "mysterious") body is that it is cold, hence not radiating much energy, and does not reflect light as a planet does (see the articles referenced in that PDF). Also, it does not perceptibly move as a planet or a comet would.

    Hence:
    A comet? NIET!

    A planet? NIET!

    So, why call it "Planet X," "Tyche," etc?


    Now... Sitchin and Nibiru:

    To start with, Sitchin works is only found under the "Fiction" section of a library.


    Then this:

    An interesting view which largely differs from the [now] commonly held beliefs about Sumer and the Sumerians, from Jonathan Gray:

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    SUMERIAN ASTRONOMY
    A key element of Sumero-Mesopotamian religion was a concern with heavenly bodies that could be observed with the naked eye - especially the sun, moon, and Venus, due to their ease of visibility.

    We observed earlier that the Sumerian culture was a paradox. On the one hand, the Sumerians, had an advanced knowledge of astronomy, geography, medicine and virtually all the sciences.

    On the other hand, they were an entirely practical people, with no urge to search for truth for its own sake. They sought for no underlying principles, and undertook no experiments for verification. (Samuel M. Kramer, From the Tablets of Sumer. Indian Hills: Falcon’s Wing Press, 1956, pp. xviii, 6, 32, 58, 59)

    For this reason, their astronomy dealt only with the visible – that which might have a practical effect on their everyday life.

    ASTRONOMY WAS RELIGIOUS
    And they linked astronomy to their religion.

    That is why Sumero-Mesopotamian religion had a key concern with heavenly bodies that could be observed with the naked eye - especially the Sun, Moon, and Venus, due to their ease of visibility.
    (Please note, this has a direct bearing on what we discovered in the previous chapter concerning Nibiru. The Sumerian documents say that Nibiru is visible EVERY YEAR.)

    It is important to realize that each visible heavenly body was artistically symbolized - and stood for a deity.
    Where did Sitchin find the 3600 years cycle for Nibiru? No one knows! It's certainly not written on any Sumerian tablets. Also, according to one of Bill Ryan's friend/witness, Sitchin wrote his books via automatic writings. Hence the "Fiction" category for his books.


    So, Nibiru? NIET!

    In my view, keeping calling that identified body as "Nibiru" is a not so subtle way of perpetuating the propaganda.

    Then, the author assumes that this electromagnetic generator follows in the wake of Elenin and will come to play pool/billiard with the planets of our solar system...

    Well, I have trouble with that assumption simply because of the earlier known and published descriptions of said new pool-shark in town:

    "Cold," not perceptibly "moving," but best candidate to explain the strange motions along the trajectories of our solar system outermost planets.

    Why? Because closest massive object to our solar system.

    To summarize: "Cold," imperceptible motions, closest-by massive object susceptible to provide explanations for the behavior of our border planets.

    Hmmm... a "brown dwarf" fits the bill... but so close? Well, then, our solar system is a "Binary star system."

    Wow!

    That would explain the "Sheer Edge" of our sun's Oort cloud, wouldn't it?

    ... and... and... the precession of the Equinoxes as well, wouldn't it?

    ... and... and... all these Earth's catastrophes via meteor bombardments...

    ... and ... and... Velikovsky's stuff as well as McCanney's or those Thunderstorms of the Gods' stuff... awe inspiring, indeed...

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    A mini solar system is associated with a brown dwarf star which is the companion to our Sun in its journey around the galaxy. Both constitute our BINARY solar system. As they dance around each other they don't penetrate into each other's planetary system but "polish" each other's Oort cloud. That's the assumption from our Oort cloud having a "sheer edge" on its outside (clean shaven outside, the inside is a lot fuzzier).





    Look at this animation to get a visual of how each partner of the binary system speed up or slow down in their orbit around the system's center of gravity:



    As it is known that the Oort cloud has its outside edge nicely "polished" (i.e. the "Sheer Edge"), here is their animation on how that could occur with a binary system:





    In short, our solar system (binary stars plus their respective planets) are dancing around the galactic center describing "travelling ovals."
    ... therefore:
    Never the twain shall meet

    Besides the electromagnetic disturbances, the catatrophes that could occur would be from our twin stars shaving each other's Oort clouds:





    That's the real danger: Bowling alley fiesta!

    FYI: Earth quakes -- for energy conservation, storage capacity and release reasons -- cannot go much higher than 10 on the Richter scale.

    However, a fair size asteroid hitting Earth could send the ensuing EQ's magnitude off the charts.
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