Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Ilie Pandia]

Charlie agreed with the title change, so here it goes

[Hervé]

Posted by ghostrider (here)

Posted by J0urney (here)
My skies are usually clear all the time and I don't see any of this. If they are that close shouldn't you be able to see them all the time? I'm not saying they aren't there, it's just that I look everyday and never see a thing.

take a photo of the sun, then turn up the saturation a bit, the object can only be seen in infrared=brown dwarf it is there. happy hunting my friend.

Dear ghostrider... this is unfortunately impossible: The Brown Dwarf's temperature is 40 dgrees F. above absolute Zero. You would need a nitrogen refrigerated mirror/receptor in order to be able to distinguish it from background heat. Much less a handheld digital camera whether a good one or not. That's for one.

Second, that Brown Dwarf won't be detectable from the Southern Hemisphere till mid August. Never mind the Northern Hemisphere.

[jcocks]

Does anyone know what the Archons are supposed to look like?

I had a strange dream last night where I was hovering what seemed like a huge space station in orbit around the earth. It seemed to be made out of what I can only describe as "pods" - it looked like nothing I have seen before. There were spindly, spider-like creatures moving around inside - and *LOTS* of them! What was strange about this dream is that, unlike most of my dreams, nothing actually happened in this dream - I just saw what I described for about 5 minutes. It was similar to what I would imagine "remote viewing" would be like. I tried to get a closer look at the creatures, but I was prevented from doing so - most likely for my own protection (I would highly doubt these beings are friendly).

I wouldn't normally post something like this in a discussion thread such as this - I normally post my dreams in the spirituality forum - but I strongly feel that I need to post it here as it directly relates to what is happening here at this time.....

What are your thoughts on this....

[Tane Mahuta]

KK folks...here's my take on the situation.

Don't care whatever people want to call it. Elinan, Nibiru, Deathstar, Milenium Falcon, Tardis, Brown, Red, Black....don't care!!

But...we ALL know that something is there and it's coming to a neighbourhood near YOU!!

So I say people!

Be prepared for any situation, eventually...whatever it is WILL reveal itself.

There is a lot of Dis Info out there. Don't get caught up in the "mind thing"


nuff said


TM

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
[...]
"The return of the Blue Star Katchina... ".
[...]

The trouble with assigning Elenin to the "Blue Kachina" is that, according to the last JPL corrections, the Elenin period is 1 million years.

That is, the last time Elenin was around our solar system was 1 Million years ago. And I am not sure the Hopi tradition goes that far back?

sorry i fail to see your point.

That may be quite a problem because the wording specifies a "RETURN." That directly implies it has been around in the past and observed, The 1 million years period of Elenin implies that, that comet was last seen around here about 1 million years ago. I believe the Hopi who handed down the tradition were first good observers.

Whether "no time" or not, "return" is mentioned about something that was observed in 3D on Earth; not in whatever time line they can go into in an altered state of consciousness.

That's to mean simply that the Blue Kachina is not Elenin. Nice try though.

the supposed orbit of elenin is just a theory like everything else. it could have had any orbit or none at all and along came planet x with its massive magnetic field, grabbed elenin and suddenly it had the same orbit as planet x. how about that for a theory?

of course you can believe that it's not the blue kachina but for me it fulfills the hopi prophecy perfectly and i think we're going to see the truth of it in september. if not i was wrong, no problem here.

however, if i'm right we can assume that the rest of the prophecy is pretty accurate too, and since the hopi already have a track record with their other prophecies ("sea turning black" just recently etc.), same as prophets like nostradamus, cayce, mother shipton and others, i don't see why the very predictions about the end times should be wrong when pretty much all previous ones turned out to be correct.


greybeard, what you mentioned about the bible prophecies having been channelled from the lower astral is a possibility but that would imply that basically all end times prophecies have come from the lower astral, even those of indigenous tribes, "saints", and so on, since they're more or less identical.

in one of dolores cannon's nostradamus books nostradamus explained how his predicting actually works, the way he sees timelines etc. and it didn't have anything to do with channelling at all. he was basically in spirit state, probably no different from the spiritual teachers you speak about.

at any rate, i believe all those people who had the ability to look into the "future" were here for a reason, to warn us of what's going to happen because it's the ending of a cycle and it has to happen, and those who listen to what we're being told are the ones that will be prepared and take the most out of the experience (seen from a soul's point of view). most others just leave their bodies sooner or later and that's that.

we know that this is not the first time earth changing catastrophies happen and i'm absolutely sure that those people who listened and were prepared back then were the ones who started civilization again while most others perished. thus, they had a tremendous advantage compared to other souls who just left, because the survivors learned and experienced many things the others did not. and learning and experiencing are the very reasons why we're here on earth.

so there's nothing here that looks like lower astral to me but of course it depends on the person reading these prophecies. they scare only those people who are looking to be scared or can't help it, they're just not ready yet and that's ok. but if you view them as a means to teach and help you there's nothing scary about them. so, no fear, no energy to entities from the lower astral.

[greybeard]

To be clear on Biblical propehesies
Only those that portray a judgmental-- fire and brimstone god are suspect.
The rest are I believe valid.

"My" God is a God of Love.
Slightly off topic but there is nothing to fear as we are spirit having a human experience --- we are at the movies but the mind wants to convince us that it is all very real and fatal. Not true.

So my vote is for a raising of consciousness.

Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
To be clear on Biblical propehesies
Only those that portray a judgmental-- fire and brimstone god are suspect.
The rest are I believe valid.

"My" God is a God of Love.

God is not too soft to flood the whole world ; )

He is even known for his pure sulfur which keeps the halls of hell ablaze and this high perfomance sulfur can still be sampled in some ashen remains at the Dead Sea

God is even rumored to have been a Charioteer in the Kurukshetra war


I'm not saying that God is not Love but I am saying that God is no plush puppy ; )

[Operator]

Isn't it interesting how there seems to be 2 totally different sides to 1 biblical god ...

But that is a completely different topic ! so please

[greybeard]

There is the old testament and the new.
I prefer the new.
Jesus came to clear up misunderstandings.
Death is an impossibility.
So whatever does a U turn around the Sun-- im ok with it.
Any way thats my story.

C

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
There is the old testament and the new.
I prefer the new.
Jesus came to clear up misunderstandings.

I prefer the New too

still Jesus made it perfectly clear that God is Love Just and Mercy too


what does Just means ?

it means there is a Standard and a Law complete with recompense but also retribution

[Chuck]

Hello The Truth Is In There,

Thank you for bringing the srcibd article forward. It has stirred debate, contemplation, fear and discussion. I had originally posted my first reaction to it here but will make an effort to give more of an account of my thoughts here. What follows is not a criticism of you but rather of the cowardly author whose motives are clearly to confuse, misinform, baffle, frighten… in short, to keep us in the dark.

I had originally read the document with an open mind, but many red flags surfaced. Then I reread the document with a critical mind and I got angry. The spirit of anger is what is propelling me to respond. You see… this world is hard enough to find one’s way without the land mines put in our path to impede us. The author of this deceitful paper is a charlatan. He knows it and so does not take the responsibility of signing his authorship. I would ease up on him and give him the benefit of the doubt if he simply signed his name.

First of all, gravity does exist. I made a career in geophysics by measuring the gravitational influences of various ore bodies in the sub-surface. Is there increasing atmospheric pressure below the surface of the earth?! Does atmospheric pressure vary laterally to create gravitational anomalies? Clearly not. Many computational corrections must be made to compensate for the terrain in gravity surveys.

The summary page is a laugh. How does one know the mass without knowing the density and composition? What’s with an inner and outer magnetic field (and accurate to 10 significant digits?)??!! Doesn’t exist, only to satisfy the picture that he posted later. Rotation direction and rotation velocity? Puhleeaase … seven orbiting planets eh?

What does the distance between Elenin and Regulus (even if we are observing it from 90 degrees perspective) have anything to do with Nibiru … wherever it is! Furthermore what does that distance have anything to do with the magnetic field of Niburu? Mind you, I give you full credit on knowing how to convert from one unit system to another. You past grade 3.

Where you got the picture that you claim is the infrared picture of Nibiru is anyone’s guess. There is no inner and outer magnetic field!

The rest of the paper is pure hogwash.

[RedeZra]

it's a given that official channels are pretty PTB biased but also the alternative media has been infested with PTB propaganda and snakeoil salesmen

I see so many refer to this or that person as if they were modern day prophets... but nobody is asking them for any evidence which might back up their claims

and so the deceit and the lies go on and on... because too many are too trusting busy or lazy to check their facts !

[Hervé]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
[...]
the supposed orbit of elenin is just a theory like everything else.
[...]

As stated, this is the corrected period from earlier computation of earlier data points. To spell it out, the period is not a theory.

As more and more points are determined about Elenin trajectory in space, its orbit and period are more and more refined.

Conversely to the theory you propose, the Blue Kachina may have been grabbed by some stellar object and sent out to outer space never to see the light of day in this solar system, ever: see bowling alley fiesta of Oort clouds clean shaving at Post #650

[The One]

A younger looking David

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bj2WEys2nQA

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Chuck (here)
Hello The Truth Is In There,

Thank you for bringing the srcibd article forward. It has stirred debate, contemplation, fear and discussion. I had originally posted my first reaction to it here but will make an effort to give more of an account of my thoughts here. What follows is not a criticism of you but rather of the cowardly author whose motives are clearly to confuse, misinform, baffle, frighten… in short, to keep us in the dark.

I had originally read the document with an open mind, but many red flags surfaced. Then I reread the document with a critical mind and I got angry. The spirit of anger is what is propelling me to respond. You see… this world is hard enough to find one’s way without the land mines put in our path to impede us. The author of this deceitful paper is a charlatan. He knows it and so does not take the responsibility of signing his authorship. I would ease up on him and give him the benefit of the doubt if he simply signed his name.

First of all, gravity does exist. I made a career in geophysics by measuring the gravitational influences of various ore bodies in the sub-surface. Is there increasing atmospheric pressure below the surface of the earth?! Does atmospheric pressure vary laterally to create gravitational anomalies? Clearly not. Many computational corrections must be made to compensate for the terrain in gravity surveys.

The summary page is a laugh. How does one know the mass without knowing the density and composition? What’s with an inner and outer magnetic field (and accurate to 10 significant digits?)??!! Doesn’t exist, only to satisfy the picture that he posted later. Rotation direction and rotation velocity? Puhleeaase … seven orbiting planets eh?

What does the distance between Elenin and Regulus (even if we are observing it from 90 degrees perspective) have anything to do with Nibiru … wherever it is! Furthermore what does that distance have anything to do with the magnetic field of Niburu? Mind you, I give you full credit on knowing how to convert from one unit system to another. You past grade 3.

Where you got the picture that you claim is the infrared picture of Nibiru is anyone’s guess. There is no inner and outer magnetic field!

The rest of the paper is pure hogwash.

ok thanks for your opinion. nevertheless i agree with the author on many points. for example the gravity issue since in my universe everything is energy so there's no need for any other force than electromagnetism to account for everything.

it's easy to disprove what you claim about gravity. of course there's pressure below the surface of the earth, even more than above. that should be obvious to everyone. and what you call gravitational anomalies are just anomalies because your theory is flawed. electromagnetism can easily explain why for example pressure is higher in certain places than in others because of the conduictivity of the different material.

i suggest we wait and see what's going to happen over the course of the next months. for me all pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
[...]
the supposed orbit of elenin is just a theory like everything else.
[...]

As stated, this is the corrected period from earlier computation of earlier data points. To spell it out, the period is not a theory.

As more and more points are determined about Elenin trajectory in space, its orbit and period are more and more refined.

Conversely to the theory you propose, the Blue Kachina may have been grabbed by some stellar object and sent out to outer space never to see the light of day in this solar system, ever: see bowling alley fiesta of Oort clouds clean shaving at Post #650

of course it's just a theory because there's no way for those who collected the data to do that for the last few millennia. it's based on elenins current trajectory and that's just what is is - current. they have no way to tell if (or when) it changed orbit in the past due to the gravitational pull of planet x. besides, you take for granted that nasa and the likes tell you the truth. my guess is that they know very well that elenin is tied to planet x and has pretty much the same orbit but they don't tell the people, for obvious reasons.

btw, i'm not sure if you understand how prophecy works. the prophets have seen elenin/the blue kachina at this point in time so it couldn't have been grabbed by some other stellar object and sent out to outer space as you suggested because then it wouldn't have been possible for them so see it come here the way they did. and because it does come along now just like it was foreseen means it fulfills the prophecy and tells us that we're in the very timeline these prophets saw in their visions. and that, in turn, tells us that the other things they saw are also going to happen because they're part of the same prophecy.

[greybeard]

I like to be in the space of "May be so!!"
The universe is cyclic.
There were floods, earth changes, the works before there were humans here, so I tend to discount Divine retribution.
So the prophesies were based on past events which point to the liklyhood of similar happening again due to the orbits of the planets etc.
Seemingly it takes 250 Million years for earth to complete an orbit around the galactic center.
So we are heading into uncharted territory at the moment, yet the ancients knew the position of the stars, the orbits many thousands of years ago--- then we lost that knowledge and believed the world was flat for a time and that the sun went round the earth.
So I am back to may be so.!!!

Chris

[greybeard]

Slightly off topic but magnetism plays a large part in what may happen.
Scientists understanding of gravity seems to be changing.
David Sereda is much respected as an astrophysicist

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=B2Tlm2dkpwk

[Hervé]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
of course it's just a theory because there's no way for those who collected the data to do that for the last few millennia. it's based on elenins current trajectory and that's just what is is - current. they have no way to tell if (or when) it changed orbit in the past due to the gravitational pull of planet x. besides, you take for granted that nasa and the likes tell you the truth. my guess is that they know very well that elenin is tied to planet x and has pretty much the same orbit but they don't tell the people, for obvious reasons.

btw, i'm not sure if you understand how prophecy works. the prophets have seen elenin/the blue kachina at this point in time so it couldn't have been grabbed by some other stellar object and sent out to outer space as you suggested because then it wouldn't have been possible for them so see it come here the way they did. and because it does come along now just like it was foreseen means it fulfills the prophecy and tells us that we're in the very timeline these prophets saw in their visions. and that, in turn, tells us that the other things they saw are also going to happen because they're part of the same prophecy.

First, I was pointing out that the 1 million years period of Elenin couldn't be a theory simply because it is derived from empirical data, i.e. observation. Hence it cannot be an "Of course it's a theory."

Second, I never said I was taking "NASA's and the likes'" data for granted. The period is verified by others. An example of that was that NASA first considered the orbit as being non-periodic, i.e. a space fluke coming in and going out never to be seen again. Others rightfully disagreed with that.

As for the Hopi prophecies, if I am not mistaken, the Elders themselves uttered something to the effect that the outcome could change or not happen as envisionned.

If you go back to Post #650, the said space object cannot be a planet. So, no "Planet X." The only hypothesis about that object which still hold some water is the Brown Dwarf, binary companion to our Sun. That Brown Dwarf and our Sun have a period of 24,000 years in dancing around each other. Therefore that Blue Kachina needs to have a similar period in order to be a harbinger of the Brown Dwarf.

I don't know how else to convey to you that that space object cannot follow the same orbital path as Elenin. That's part of the hogwash as pointed out by Chuck regarding that PDF/Scrib paper.

Reread that Post #650 and understand what's in there. It was my attempt to clear the confusion and propaganda that's being purposefully perpetuated about the subject. I apologize if it's not clear enough.

[loveandgratitude]

Comet Elenin Passing Stereo-B at 10.pm Sydney Time tonight

Comet elenin will be passing by the STEREO-B spacecraft at it’s closest distance in 4 hours from now. It will pass STEREO-B at 10.35pm Sydney time or 12:30 pm UTC

LATEST IMAGES OF ELENIN





http://sydneystargazers.com/2011/07/...t-elenin-july/