What is the "White Light" we see when we die?

[ktlight]

"To understand what inspired this question, see the following excerpts from another forum by someone who goes by the screenname, Martin Gman.

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From http://www.near-death-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=24316:

"It is inevitable that we are ALL going to die at some point so what you are about to read could save you a million more trips back to this War torn Earth plane of Existence.

I will not go into enormous detail at this particular point but let me assure you that this information is correct and is one of the most Fundamental tools of the "Unseen Hands" for keeping Human Souls in the Physical world time and time again or as others call it "Reincarnation".

This thing what keeps returning us to all the suffering of World Wars and Third World Famines etc, is asolutely so simple its been staring us in the face for Thousands of years..This Simple tool is called "The White Light."

This famous White Light is what we are "supposed" to go to when we die and is "supposed" to take us to our true home or vibration of the soul. NDEs will give us a glimpse of this and OBEs can actually enter this light.

Well let me "Enlighten" you (pardon the pun).

The White Light is nothing but an interdimensional Soul Catcher. I will guarantee you if you enter this upon death you will eventually reincarnate. Some people might want this to happen (materialistic people perhaps) but true spiritual warriors avoid this like the plague and fight against the many years and lifetimes of suffering that goes on in the Physical world.

We can all Pretend that our lives are great and life is fantastic, but deep down we all know that our loved ones will depart from us and every human soul on the planet will suffer from some kind of negative Emotion at some time in thier life.

If you had a choice in the matter what would you do? would you come back to Planet Earth and face the harsh reality of mass control and Fear or would you choose to go back to your true place of birth "The Source" or oneness with your so called God!! I know where I will be going.

Before anyone of you condemn my posting just wait five minutes and way this theory up, after all its been virtually staring us in the face.

"What happens if you dont go into the Light then, Do you become an earthbound spirit or trapped in purgatory or the lower Astral etc etc"

NO it is the biggest lie in History. When your time is up and eventually get to cross over (As we all forget it could happen tomorrow or in 50 years) and youve left the Physical body, Stop, look around, Look up there will be a blinding white light above, Look to the sides of it and there is a Golden light. The Golden light is the way to the Source and it bypasses the great void.

All the Spirits in the Afterlife are still in enslavement (albeit a less dense one) and the Astral + Spirit worlds are actually illusions of the collective consciousness of ALL matter (not just Human). Spirits STILL dont realise they are manipulated even in other dimensions. Spirits STILL dont realise that ALL mankind and everything else is connected. Only those at the source can be truly free.

If you think im a crackpot or in need of help please would you remember this ONE thing.

The white light is designed to keep us enslaved and to be reborn again to continue the "Slave Race" of humanity. Go for Gold, End of Story.

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I have been a student of many discliplines..Metaphysics, Classic and Quantum physics, Mysticism, Ufology, Parapsychology and Occult practises so yes ive heard just about every theory known in the public domain.

I have been a successful Astral projector for 14 years now and I have seen many things Good and Bad.

I stumbled across this forum and (I am not trying to offend anybody) found many misguided and misinformed souls. Let me make it clear that I am not Religious in any form and do not condemn anybody who is.

The present Human Race (especially in the West) have been bombarded with egotistical, meglomaniac beings driven purely by greed and power. This represents our Governments and Religions right down to the Local Gangbangers to the Fake so called Psychics and healers etc.

We have been bombarded with "New Age Messiahs" and New Age theories many which are Harmless but some which are not. We are in a time where we just dont know what to believe!!

I entered the world of Astral Projection because of this. I just had to make my own mind up and witness it first hand instead of the local Clergy telling me *beep* like I would not go to Heaven if I didnt Repent (Bulls***). I have met thousands of Non Physical beings most who were Positive and some Negative….

When I watch a T.V psychic perform it makes me cringe, not because I dont believe him/her but because He or She is being used to manipulate the Masses and the info given is about 0.000001 of what is realy happening on the "other side". This is what I found...

1.There is no Hell after death (The Physical world we live in is Hell and the Lower Astral is the Mirror Image)
2.The Dead are no different to what we are (Different Frequency) and are still controlled in seperate Kingdoms or Belief systems.
3.There are no E.Ts as such but only Interdimensional Beings (Ufos are Reality Skip vehicles)
4.The Physical,Astral,Spirit Realms are all collective Illusions have all been Manipulated at some point but now it is changing."

[ROMANWKT]

Thank you ktlight I would like to copy and paste this soon, very good stuff, thank you. for my other post.

regards
roman

[Calz]

Gotta love it when the universe does that.

I posed that exact question last night in another thread:

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
A lot of the OBE material talks about helping "lost souls" along their way.

Somewhat off-topic ... but in another thread it is suggested that "going to the light" after passing may not be the best answer implying that is part and parcel of what binds us to reincarnate here.

Any thoughts?

[ulli]

In another thread where I was talking about the chain of coincidental books that came my way...the books being by Bishop Pike and making contact via mediums with his deceased son Jim, and the other one was the autobiography of one of those mediums, Ena Twigg.
In her book she writes about finding Bishop Pike's lost soul just after he passed away, after having been caught for one week in a dust storm in Israel...
I no longer have that book, unfortunately.

She wrote that as she went into her trance she found him, totally lost in a greyness, and that she guided him out of that so that he could continue his journey.

[Billy]

The recycling of souls is great problem within humanity, This is different to reincarnation because the soul is trapped and has no choice when it is continually recycled, I remember having this discussion with Charles months ago when the depopulation of humanity was being discussed, If we can educate humanity about soul recycling and prevent this from occuring, break the cycle as they say, then the worlds population would find its own balance.

[Lisab]

I agree with this. Even the dimensions have been hi-jacked. I read something interesting before that entities like guides and "archangels" etc can't move on or ascend themselves while we still think we need them. They've got their own programmes to deal with.
When I was pregnant with my second son I started seeing energy or auras around people and objects i thought yay I'm seeing auras! These days I'm more careful in my assumptions. It's a matrix and we all need to breathe thru it consciously every day to unhook. also releasing and forgiveness. On some level were just as responsible for accepting it in the first place. X

[Tane Mahuta]

Posted by ktlight (here)
"
I entered the world of Astral Projection because of this. I just had to make my own mind up and witness it first hand instead of the local Clergy telling me *beep* like I would not go to Heaven if I didnt Repent (Bulls***). I have met thousands of Non Physical beings most who were Positive and some Negative….

1.There is no Hell after death (The Physical world we live in is Hell and the Lower Astral is the Mirror Image)
2.The Dead are no different to what we are (Different Frequency) and are still controlled in seperate Kingdoms or Belief systems.
3.There are no E.Ts as such but only Interdimensional Beings (Ufos are Reality Skip vehicles)
4.The Physical,Astral,Spirit Realms are all collective Illusions have all been Manipulated at some point but now it is changing."

Hi kLight, good post, here's what I see,

0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)

1 - There is no death, we are all spiritual beings, having a human experience. The spirit is eternal!! To describe the meaning of hell?
very difficult because there are so many different meanings to different people.

2 - "The Dead", you mean the souls/spirits?. When the physical body has ceased to operate. We leave it behind and the life that you
lived determins your placement in the higher astral planes.

3 - Et's & their craft are physical(5th dimensional beings). 6th Dimensional beings are that of light, including their craft.(my thinking)

4 - As far as I know, only the 3rd dimension is being manipulated. I have read that in the 5th dimension, good & evil can co-exist,
but one cannot effect the other & vice verse(my thinking)

side note#

We are already in the 4th dimension(that of time). When we eventually wake up, those that
are ready will be going the the 5th dimension(my thinking)


nuff said

TM

[ktlight]

Posted by Tane Mahuta (here)
0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)
TM

Hi Tane Mahuta, It was Gman who said, not me.

[Tane Mahuta]

Posted by ktlight (here)

Posted by Tane Mahuta (here)
0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)
TM

Hi Tane Mahuta, It was Gman who said, not me.

No worries, just another thing I forgot to mention!!

The white light that we see when we die is the ET's stealing your sole to be recycled!

Don't go to the light people....don't go to the light!!...Do a u-turn, & head out to heaven!!

forget the feelings of "bathed in a beautiful light", "intense love"...... Frickin B/S mate!!


nuff said

TM

[Tenzin]

Suppose we find ourselves in the situation when we get to choose to go in or not, wouldn't our predominant emotions/consciousness determine the outcome?

From my understanding, correct me if I am wrong since I have not personally experience that state YET in this lifetime, but when encountered, which we certainly will in the future, our emotions are pretty much on 'free reign' mode and our habitual inclination will drive us back into that light.

[RedeZra]

Posted by ktlight (here)
When your time is up and eventually get to cross over (As we all forget it could happen tomorrow or in 50 years) and youve left the Physical body, Stop, look around, Look up there will be a blinding white light above, Look to the sides of it and there is a Golden light. The Golden light is the way to the Source and it bypasses the great void.

The white light is designed to keep us enslaved and to be reborn again to continue the "Slave Race" of humanity. Go for Gold, End of Story.

skip the white light and go for gold glitter ?!

fine I'll make a note of that in the back of my head

'go for gold gold gold...' ; )

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Tane Mahuta (here)

Posted by ktlight (here)
"
I entered the world of Astral Projection because of this. I just had to make my own mind up and witness it first hand instead of the local Clergy telling me *beep* like I would not go to Heaven if I didnt Repent (Bulls***). I have met thousands of Non Physical beings most who were Positive and some Negative….

1.There is no Hell after death (The Physical world we live in is Hell and the Lower Astral is the Mirror Image)
2.The Dead are no different to what we are (Different Frequency) and are still controlled in seperate Kingdoms or Belief systems.
3.There are no E.Ts as such but only Interdimensional Beings (Ufos are Reality Skip vehicles)
4.The Physical,Astral,Spirit Realms are all collective Illusions have all been Manipulated at some point but now it is changing."

Hi kLight, good post, here's what I see,

0 - You state that you've met thousands of non physical beings, if so, your questions would already have been answered.(my thinking)

1 - There is no death, we are all spiritual beings, having a human experience. The spirit is eternal!! To describe the meaning of hell?
very difficult because there are so many different meanings to different people.

2 - "The Dead", you mean the souls/spirits?. When the physical body has ceased to operate. We leave it behind and the life that you
lived determins your placement in the higher astral planes.

3 - Et's & their craft are physical(5th dimensional beings). 6th Dimensional beings are that of light, including their craft.(my thinking)

4 - As far as I know, only the 3rd dimension is being manipulated. I have read that in the 5th dimension, good & evil can co-exist,
but one cannot effect the other & vice verse(my thinking)

side note#

We are already in the 4th dimension(that of time). When we eventually wake up, those that
are ready will be going the the 5th dimension(my thinking)


nuff said

TM

If ''satan'' is the lord of this world, wouldn't that suggest that this is hell?
It certainly looks like it to me.

[Ian Gordon]

OK, I will put myself out to be shot down, but I will re tell a personal experience from some 30years ago when as an 18 year old, before I was aware of spiritual journeys white light's etc (although I cannot rule out having some media contact which I had pushed to the back of my mind). My view on the world was very much science based.
The event, I was quiet ill at home and called out the doctor, a locum turned up without my history and injected me with drugs which I reacted to. In brief I died and the doctor brought me back on the living room floor!!
My personal experience (it maybe different for each of us I dont know) was a darkness and a bright light the experience was like what I would now call an OBE, but the sense of peace and calm was so great that I still cant really express it in words. The passage of time was a different scale, I had a conversation as I was given the choice to go back to my body or go on (into the light although I dont think it was given a name or discussed as we both knew) I dont know who I was speaking to it was just a higher been, once again no introductions, we both knew the set up. Looking back I still dont know but it didnt matter, was it higher self, was it god was it the collective....dont know but it didnt matter what label was on it, the level of the conversation was above that, if you can follow.
The nature of the conversation was also strange for an 18year old, as it was done with a calm and understand and dare I say a sense of love which was above the level that I or any other teenager was operating at, a bit hard to explain really.
I add of course I decided to come back, my free will
I hope my experience will aid your discussion, I dont know if this is typical or unique or whatever rational explanation maybe used etc, but for me it is my truth.
Ian

[Calz]

Posted by Tane Mahuta (here)
The white light that we see when we die is the ET's stealing your sole to be recycled!

Don't go to the light people....don't go to the light!!...Do a u-turn, & head out to heaven!!

forget the feelings of "bathed in a beautiful light", "intense love"...... Frickin B/S mate!!


nuff said

TM

What a fantastic thread (already)

Wonder if that was referred to in Lord of the Rings when Smeagle, guiding Frodo and Sam to Mordor, states "Don't look into the lights"??? (eyes of the dead under the swamp water)

Anyway first time I came across anything along these lines was in Val Valerian's 5th book in the Matrix series a few years back.

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html (site of review not from the author).

Really *pissed me off* too cuz I had gotten to the space where I was comfortable facing death as there was really no longer any doubt (for me) about the immortality of the soul.

Val was (is) a big fan of Robert Monroe's OBE material and "reality paradym". He suggests rather than taking the "tunnel of light" go to what Monroe (and staff) refer to as "Level 27". Apologies to anyone not familiar with Monroe's books/concepts.

What I am getting to is ... if not the tunnel of white light ... ***THEN WHERE***???

I heard another suggestion recently of heading for the galactic core.

[Carmen]

As I understand it, to go to the light is to go to the third level which is light, electrec, positive/negative, male/female in other words one is still in duality. Thus still on the wheel of reincarnation. It depends very much or probably entirely on the level of consciousness one has attained on earth as to which level one resonates with. The seven seals/chakras of the human body line up with the levels of consciousness and we operate on those various levels. The first three lower levels are the levels of duality, of man. Unless one has expanded into the fourth level of unconditional love where they are also balanced in their male and female aspects or their female/male aspects they are bound to the lower levels of reincarnation. To somehow go to the upper levels or dimensions would be devastating to the person and the dimension. Where all runaway thoughts are instantly manifested would be very destructive. In this way heaven is guarded from those not qualified to enter. That is why it is so important to do the work here, to clean up our act. It is our marvellous opportunity and it is what we come here to do.

We can live in a 3D body here but operate in consciousness in the higher levels. What Christ did when he ascended was to raise the vibration of his 3D body to the same level/vibration as his seventh level mind, and disappeared from this realm.

[Calz]

Thank you Carmen.

I also wondered whether or not going into the tunnel was an "open option" ... or as you imply, an option based on your progress.

[Enquiring1]

Hmmm this is interesting cause I thought that the only way to get off the wheel was to obtain enlightenment (whatever that is) whilst incarnate in this phyiscal world.

KTLight its funny you mention the golden light, I wonder if that is why man has such a obsession with gold.

Ah I just read Carmans post we must have posted a the sametime. Thanks for that.

[Carmen]

Yes, that is correct in my understanding Enquiring1. This earth is our great opportunity.

The last Hathor Material which Viking posted has some very good advice on where and what to do at physical death if one is unsure and has an option.

[Enquiring1]

Thanks for that Carmen.

Oh boy I got some work to to..............

[Calz]

Posted by Enquiring1 (here)
Thanks for that Carmen.

Oh boy I got some work to to..............

I expect that can be shared by most since we are "still here".