Astrology as a "Know Yourself" tool

[ulli]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
Here are the results from calculating my natal chart online:


Rising Sign is in 05 Degrees Libra
...snip

Once you have this data...by the way...for privacy protection sake you are advised to delete your post, or just leave the first line, the way I did just now.

Anyway, your Libra sun made a right angle to Uranus, so as well as reading books and articles on Libra you ought to also read about Aquarius...
due to that Uranus angle.
More later.

[blake]

Hello Ulli,

I agree that Astrology is a wonderful tool to gain greater understanding of yourself and others in your life. If you don't get a long with sibling, or parent, looking at their chart and how it relates to your own may help you be more understanding of the relationship, and help you adjust your reaction to the other person, thereby having a smoother and more comfortable relationship with that person.

My area of interest lies in how to read the energies of the planets, and how they are affecting the world at large. I don't have to spell out to you all the larger than life aspects that have been happening the last couple of years. I found the five full moon last winter, all at 29 degrees, quite ominious. However, now, it would seem that many of the larger than life aspects have faded, as if doing their duty of setting up the gears for change was completed, like the calm before the storm. Now the focus is mostly on the Pluto square Uranus, and that will be there for a while, seemingly just waiting for the match to be lit for the firworks to happen. Could the lunation of September 27 be that match? What do you think of all these very intense apsects of the past year or so and how do you see them manifesting this summer or early fall.

Sincerely,
Mr, Davis

[Ernie Nemeth]

Being a Piscean, I always look for the answers in esoteric studies.

What I have found for myself is that the planets and their aspects are symbols of some bigger reality. We are not what we think we are either. So we are only symbols as well. These symbols are representations of reality as we understand it - it is not reality itself. That is why there is a correlation between planets and people. Together, our symbols make a sort of sense, a semblance of reality. Each symbol relys on all the others for its meaning and so each affects the other.

But the age fast approaching is the age of truth. No symbol will stand in for its proxy. No mere semblance of reality will satisfy.

So this moment in time could be considered the tearing down of all symbols - the replacing of idols with true reality.

In realty we are all the same, with no limiting factors whatsoever. That is what we must all learn now.

[ulli]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Being a Piscean, I always look for the answers in esoteric studies.

What I have found for myself is that the planets and their aspects are symbols of some bigger reality. We are not what we think we are either. So we are only symbols as well. These symbols are representations of reality as we understand it - it is not reality itself. That is why there is a correlation between planets and people. Together, our symbols make a sort of sense, a semblance of reality. Each symbol relys on all the others for its meaning and so each affects the other.

But the age fast approaching is the age of truth. No symbol will stand in for its proxy. No mere semblance of reality will satisfy.

So this moment in time could be considered the tearing down of all symbols - the replacing of idols with true reality.

In realty we are all the same, with no limiting factors whatsoever. That is what we must all learn now.

What you say here truly sums up the Piscean perspective of the limitless ocean in which they reside.

Yet your last statement limits the unlimited...

If we all MUST learn something, how are you going to enforce this?

What happens to us if we don't cut it?

[Avocadess]

Ulli, that is SO COOL what you said about my "angle" with Aquarius -- because much of my life with my interest in astrology I always felt such a STRONG attraction to Aquarius and was sort of bummed that I didn't seem to have ANYTHING in it...!!! (smile)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Dear Ulli,

I meant "must" as in "if you want what's ultimately best for you".

We are all creators, no one can enforce anything on anyone without consent.

[ulli]

Posted by blake (here)
Hello Ulli,

I agree that Astrology is a wonderful tool to gain greater understanding of yourself and others in your life. If you don't get a long with sibling, or parent, looking at their chart and how it relates to your own may help you be more understanding of the relationship, and help you adjust your reaction to the other person, thereby having a smoother and more comfortable relationship with that person.

My area of interest lies in how to read the energies of the planets, and how they are affecting the world at large. I don't have to spell out to you all the larger than life aspects that have been happening the last couple of years. I found the five full moon last winter, all at 29 degrees, quite ominious. However, now, it would seem that many of the larger than life aspects have faded, as if doing their duty of setting up the gears for change was completed, like the calm before the storm. Now the focus is mostly on the Pluto square Uranus, and that will be there for a while, seemingly just waiting for the match to be lit for the firworks to happen. Could the lunation of September 27 be that match? What do you think of all these very intense apsects of the past year or so and how do you see them manifesting this summer or early fall.

Sincerely,
Mr, Davis

I agree with you 100%, and all those thoughts have occured to me as well...including the sense of calm before the storm.
But whose storm will it be? There will always be safe zones.
And astrology can be used as a tool to analyze the collective.
After getting an idea of your own being, and also learning how to manage relationships in family groups with better understanding,
it is time to see the bigger picture out there. So thanks for bringing this up.

Uranus/Aries square aside, Pluto in Capricorn alone brings system change and structure change, everything that has been instituted for millenia will fall, finally, although that process had already begun when monarchies fell when Pluto entered Cancer in 1914 (WW1) then dictatorships crumbling when pluto entered Leo in 1939...(WW2) each time decimating huge chunks of established securities.
But now Pluto is going for the jugular, aiming at the financial institutions (Capricorn) which it entered in the autumn of 2008.
By the time Pluto is finished transiting the sign of Capricorn there will be no more tax payer bail outs...
the people's revolution (Uranus in Aries) will have combined with the higher Capricorn energies which are about law and order,
justice and fairness and a new fairer system will have been instituted...I am confident this will happen.

Corruption will no longer be an option in that future world, the way it has been in the past,
thanks to Uranus fiery transit through Aries, purging the dross, exposing the corrupt.

The coming square between the two planets this year and next year will continue the process that began in 2008,
except with each crash there will be no more bail-outs as the current taxation burden will bring about a the world revolution
and this in turn will force the PTB, or rather the PTW, to back off....they know full well that once the people have had enough
it's time to go into hiding. They fear the public's wrath. No virus wants to kill it's host completely.

I used to be quite pessimistic about what would happen to people living in the cities,
but right now, having seen so much evidence of city community formation,
roof top agriculture, grassroots movements, I think the fall-out of the coming changes
will be far worse for the ultra rich than for the ultra poor.
They may have killed the middle class but can't kill the middle class person,
and that person has always been and will always be, the salt of the earth.

[ulli]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Dear Ulli,

I meant "must" as in "if you want what's ultimately best for you".

We are all creators, no one can enforce anything on anyone without consent.

Forgive me for misunderstanding...
I carry past baggage, having been raised in post-war provincial Germany,
so when I hear words like "must" and "should" - without fail I see red.

[Anno]

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Being a Piscean [...] we are all the same [...]

I'm going off this whole 'we are one' idea. I know that ultimately we are all one and everything is an iteration of an avatar etc, but in our reality we are far from all being the same. I'm questioning how useful it is to have a top down view when we're halfway from bottom. The illusions of separation are very real and well established down here so perhaps we should start celebrating the differences and seeing what they can teach us rather than denying them in the name of being spiritual? Astrology seems to be designed for doing just that.

[TWINCANS]

Posted by ulli (here)
Regarding Twincans birth misplacement, and by the way, thank tou for sharing that....
I could now write a book with the superstring of thoughts that has come out of this revelation...
...
So what I'm saying here, what might have had a certain intention and then an accident occured, leading you to even discover that there was such an accident, which in itself is in this 3 D realm an unusual thing, yet could have enormously beneficial consequences for the awakening process on this earth right now....
In fact, the human spirit being what it is, can turn copper to gold.
I was never really religious until I figured out astrology.
And I found astrology because I had an obsessive need for patterns, as had already been evident in my ten years as a knitwear designer.
The heavenly patterns connecting with the rhythms of individual lives, that for me was a lure which I found totally irrisistable. I gave up a fairly sizable income to go after that lure.

Now to what Twincans said about having too much fire in his chart. I always wished I had more fire in mine...
Ok, so my Ascendant is Leo, but as they say, the Ascendant is dominant until you are in your late twenties, then the sun sign kicks in. And that was spot on in my case, with my more serious Capricorn sun letting go the whole glamour show of the fashion world, and instead immersing myself into the idea of a future earth governmental system after the shift happened....that is where my real expertise lies, and I haven't even started that thread yet. It can wait.

So, Twincans, may I ask you, WHAT have you concluded from this discovery of yours?
Has it left you feeling permanently misplaced, emotionally damaged?
Because I' m pretty certain you can make this work in your favour, if you want.

Especially if you can team up with others who know you well and can complete your energies, or should I say, take away from them?
So, how about giving me some of your fire planets...I could do with them. I'm ready.
How odd, that this idea was put on my plate just as when fiery Mars was sitting on my natal Uranus...

Jeez...this is all very exciting...now I won't be able to sleep for the rest of the night.....

Thanks ulli, for all you are doing here.
BTW I'm a her.
My other half is the Twin of Twin Cans. He's definitely a he.

I have always found that the unfolding of awareness, and that includes the understanding of who one is, happens at a rate that one can handle. So no, this understanding has not left me in any trauma. Although I would have liked the Gemini sun to detach me a bit. The Aries one i have is way too embroiled.

It actually has been part of a process that began (years ago but let's not get into that right now) last November with the departure from the earthplane of a close family member. It has to do with remembering the past life connection, and understanding why I would take on such a past life. (FYI the reason had to do with a desire to reconstruct a really past life in Atlantis.) It was a royal lifetime, and during the French Revolution.

The misplacement in this life was because of the spark not being right at conception. But there's a complication that I just got last night after I posted and that is that I was holding anger about a 'misplacement' that I was forced to take in that past life that didn't allow me to do what I planned to do (and why I took on that life in the first place) and changed history.

Really did. Closest sister also lost her head which didn't have to happen as I was intended for that marriage. But then could I have done anything about it? Probably not, just as I couldn't in Atlantis either. breathe breathe, acceptance, acceptance.

Ain't things complicated? But such fun. I'm still integrating as we go, can't you tell?

Oh, forgot one other thing. You're right about hooking up with another to help the situation. But it was planned before this incarnation - and that was to merge with my Twin Flame. As they say, that's another story.

I have sent you both my and hubby's birthcharts. If you can add, I'd be so grateful.

[ulli]

Posted by Anno (here)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
Being a Piscean [...] we are all the same [...]

I'm going off this whole 'we are one' idea. I know that ultimately we are all one and everything is an iteration of an avatar etc, but in our reality we are far from all being the same. I'm questioning how useful it is to have a top down view when we're halfway from bottom. The illusions of separation are very real and well established down here so perhaps we should start celebrating the differences and seeing what they can teach us rather than denying them in the name of being spiritual? Astrology seems to be designed for doing just that.

While it seems paradoxical to say this, but dependent on which level one is coming from
both statements are probably true.
In fact, I would go as far as saying that some people (Aquarians) are so identified with their uniqueness
that a small dose of this oneness paradigm does them good...
equally Pisceans may have come to this dimension to learn to let go of their wishywashy
oneness compulsion (sometimes) as when applied at the wrong moment can lead to confusion and chaos,
for themselves and others.
The question has to be asked: "is it timely?"
Aiming for higher consciousness can then free one from planetary molds.

Interesting also that some of these opposite effects lie in neighboring signs,
ie, the optimistic Sagittarius becomes pessimistic Capricorn,
the constructive Capricorn system maker becomes rebellious Aquarian revolutianary, destroyer of systems.

[ulli]

Here is your reading, Purple Lama
Many, many aspects in your charts.
Ascendant and sun in Gemini...overall good communication skills and mental brilliance,
even though other aspects show blockages at times,
as far as communication goes.
You have a Venus Jupiter conjunction in Cancer, in the first house...
so people's first impression of you is that of a soft, nurturing, emotional,
and tender person,
yet there is also a square to an emotional Aries moon, as well as Pluto in Libra...
forcing you to use your Gemini skills to back off before becoming too possessive, or even smothering.

The Aries moon really demands to be heard, yet is severely repressed by an opposition from Pluto
this indicates early childhood discipline, possibly from mum,
and this causes stresses in adulthood if not properly cleared...
I sympathize, as I have a similar blend...your opposition may not be as bad
as my Pluto Moon square, and hence mother relationship.

Yet with so many angles from and to Pluto you have probably seen to it
that you went onto the spiritual path early in life,
seeking God and meaning as the only way you could make sense of so much absurdity
as an ill-aspected Pluto can dish out.

Then there is the Mars Saturn conjunction, in Leo...sometimes this indicates rough treatment
from authority figures in childhood- this could have been a PE teacher, or older cousins,
but definitely a number of oppressive ego-bashing events
would have caused you much suffering, leaving emotional scars.
Some overcompensate for this by becoming total jerks, while others are stoic and thus find the path to enlightenment.

Your best angles are trines from Venus and Jupiter to your Uranus,
as well as the sun trining your Pluto...the first making sure that bad relationships
can be restored through openness and maybe surprise interventions from higher dimensions,
and the sun-Pluto trine gives you access to incredible inner reserves.

Saturn square Mercury could have meant problems with verbal self expressions,
which were overcome, either with extra tuition, or with time, going the slow road,
or just your Gemini faculties to figure things out by yourself..
The fact that you are here at Avalon and making great contributions shows me yet again that even a chart full of adverse angles
can become a springboard for the soul's awakening and replacing ego at a relatively early age.
I congratulate you.

P.S. I nearly forgot...and I must thank Astrid for this who just recently pointed this out ...
the sun in the 12th house signifies an absent father...would you mind confirming or refuting this, please?

[PurpleLama]

wow. ****ing wow. I know that got starred out, so freaking wow.
I will give more feedback when the dust settles, but to start:

Mom went blind when I was two, so my childhood entailed a lot of being the "seeing eye kid" and Dad committed suicide when I was 16 just six months after my first child was born. I didn't have another until last year.

Again, WOW.

Ulli, thank you from the bottom of my heart. You are substantially correct on every singly point. I've had a plethora of psychic reading of various kinds, but never a reading from a competent (replace that with brilliant) astrologer. Everyone I am friends with is an amateur astrologer, myself included, but none of us possess this level of interpretation. My hat is off to you (my wizards hat, that is).
Thanks, again. You made my day. Now to read your reading ten more times.

*************
I do alternately suffer from both foot in mouth disease and what my daughter refers to as "word vomit."

I do tend to wear my heart out on my sleeve. Anyone more than 15 years older than myself tends to think I am twelve, in other words I have this young and innocent look about me that is accurate in some ways, but in other ways nothing could be further from the truth. Still, it makes any female over the age of 60 want to take me home and feed me. And some younger ones as well. This is absolutely not a complaint. I love to eat and my wife can attest.

Mom and I went through a tough time after Dad died, she wanted to have me be a teen, I thought I was grown way beyond the normal teenaged mindset. To sumarize, there was a life insurance issue that resulted in a lawsuit between me and her, and a separation for three more years. I actually had legal guardians for 17-18 who facilitated the lawsuit and the ensuing separation.


I didn't give myself a choice about the spiritual path. I was on of many who had visitations, or abduction experiences, growing up. I've not let that one fly yet here on Avalon, but there you go. I never once had a negative experience and in my whole life I have never had a really bad dream. Well, in my adult life, specifically since joining Avalon, I have had a few "negative greetings" but I am well adapted to handling these. I won't say more on that specific point on the public forum. But, suffice it to say, from an early age I had a burning desire to understand just what the hell is really going on, so your reading is absolutely dead on.

I have patience way beyond normal, to the point of driving co-workers insane. Professionally, I am a picture framer, and I can help you decide between the imperceptibly different shades of white matboard even if it takes hours, for examply. You don't want to be in line behind a wishy washy person at my counter.

The patience also gets me far in spiritual/magical pursuits. God gives me what I want just to shut me the hell up. Before someone thinks this is ego based, let me clarify that my magic is *white* and if you don't really understand what that means please don't criticize. Like someone I appreciate on avalon thinking timeline shifting is an ego trip when nothing could be further from the truth. The ego doesn't participate in the procedure, only in the result, and usually only in that capacity to say holy **** there is no way I did THAT. Love to you if you guess that I'm talking about you.

thanks again, Ulli. You absolutely, completely rock.

[Carmody]

Karma and lessons. 'Round and 'Round we go.....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_DZaXFpq1b8

[dan33]

Hi Ulli!
Thanks for the thread. I know something.. a litttle bit on astrology. I remember "Esoteric Astrology" by Alan Leo.
I will be happy you "read" me , if you do not have too much work.


18 April 1964
20:10
Barcelona. Spain.


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Holographic Sound
Argentine physiologist Hugo Zuccarelli, inspired by the holographic brain model Pribram, has recently developed a new recording technique that creates the equivalent of a hologram, but sound instead of light.

Based their technique on a curious fact: the human ear speakers. Realizing that these sounds, which occur naturally, were the aural equivalent to the "reference laser" used to recreate a holographic image, used as the basis for a new recording technique that reproduces sounds revolutionary more realistic three-dimensional still sounds produced by the stereo process.

Zuccarelli called "sound holophonic" to this new kind of sound.
Recently a London Times reporter, after hearing recordings of Zuccarelli holophonic wrote:

"I looked to sneak reassuring numbers on my watch to make sure where I was. People approached me from behind, where I knew there was nothing but the wall ... After seven minutes had the impression of seeing figures, embodiments of the voices on the tape. Sound creates an "image" multidimensional. "

As Zuccarelli technique is based on holographic way the brain processes sound, apparently confuses the ear with the same success with the light holograms deceive the eye.



Therefore, when listeners hear a recording of someone walking in front of them, often move their feet or shake their heads when they hear what seems a match too close to the face (some people said that even smelled the match).

The extraordinary thing is that holophonic recordings, which have nothing to do with conventional stereo sound, keep a strange three-dimensional character even when heard only by a single handset. Holographic principles involved in the process also appear to be the explanation that a deaf ear to locate the sound source without moving the head.


Several important musicians such as Paul McCartney, Peter Gabriel, Vangelis, have turned to Zuccarelli interested in their recording system, but has yet to reveal the information needed to fully understand the art, the patent issues.

[ulli]

Since Carmody opened tonight's session with music I'm going to follow suit.
But first let's look at this amazing artist's chart

Grace Jones
Born: May 19, 1948, 12:00 PM (unknown)
in: Spanishtown (Jamaica)
Sun: 28°36' Taurus
Moon: 16°49' Libra
Dominants: Gemini, Libra, Sagittarius
Jupiter, Mercury, Moon
Air, Fire / Mutable

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YMCKj6LDZ2U

[ulli]

I think we are being moved by strings here...

while Dan posted the article about an Argentinian called Zuccarelli
I was busy posting a song by another Argentinian by the name of Piazolla.

And without knowing that such weirdness was going on.
What's more, the title of the song was STRANGE... I've seen that face before.

Truly strange, indeed.

@ Carmody:
thanks for introducing me to Noir & Haze...I'm hooked.

[PurpleLama]

I've had a crash course in karma and lessons, thanks carmody.

Are you (or anyone) familiar with Dr. John?

Playdoh of Ataraxas recently turned me on to Dr. John, playing his song Black John the Conquerer, not realizing that I've been carrying John de Conker, a root, in my little medicine bag for months.

Anyway Dr. John is some kind of funky occult blues. Really great. Maybe I can convince Playdoh to find the song and post it here.

[ulli]

Dr. John, born November 21st, 1940
I love his music, crazy voice...I had one of his albums in the seventies...
great favourite of mine, together with J. J. Cale and Leon Russell
Here he is at Glastonbury 2010

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zaWHjwRVPrc

[dan33]

Posted by ulli (here)
I think we are being moved by strings here...

while Dan posted the article about an Argentinian called Zuccarelli
I was busy posting a song by another Argentinian by the name of Piazolla.

And without knowing that such weirdness was going on.
What's more, the title of the song was STRANGE... I've seen that face before.

Truly strange, indeed.

@ Carmody:
thanks for introducing me to Noir & Haze...I'm hooked.

Synchronicities...

A way to fix the attention.
Another synchronization. just check my single thread (for months that do not look). One of the replays was from Carmody. I was about to send a message to him/her. I was moved to see one of the first messages I received on landing at Avalon.

Carmody the "interdimensional civil servant" said "I know this well enough that I have the original 'promotional' version of the soundtrack"

Thanks Ulli and Carmody