Comet Elenin, C/2010 X1

[nearing]

If this guy is a scientist working with Hubble, I am Mother Teresa.

He speaks like a very uneducated person. Ex: He says "astromoners" at 4:56! He can't pronounce astronomers correctly? Really?

And if what he says is truth, he wouldn't feel the need to to hide his identity and credentials either.

Disinfo.

[Edward Alexander]

If anyone got more info on the mentioned 26000 year cycle and elenins orbit I would appreciate it. I have had problems finding any accurate dates since they all are different over the internet, some mention orbit of 10 000+ years, other the 26000, then again some up to several hundred thousands, other 1 million, and then also some around 4 million years. Also the actual official numbers from places like NASA and Wikipedia keeps changing, there it was first 4.4 million years and steadily decreased to 600 000 years and now its suddenly all the way down in 11 750 years!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2010_X1 - thus they basically have no clue and just a bunch of contineously changing estimates with some rather amazingly large gaps between. But considering the Mayan calendar is linked to the comet Elenin its possible that there is something to the 26000 year suggestion since other Mayan researchers claim the mayan calendar has a total cycle of exactly 26000 years.

[Hervé]

Elenin, hard data:


C/2010 X1 (Elenin)
Orbit by Kazuo Kinoshita



Copyright © 2011 by Alfons Diepvens (Balen, Belgium)
A. Diepvens obtained this image of the comet on 2011 March 7.96. He was using a 20-cm refractor and a Canon 7D digital camera. This image was a 57 minute exposure at ISO 1600.

Discovery

Leonid Elenin (Lyubertsy, Russia) discovered this comet on four images obtained during the period of 2010 December 10.42-10.46 using the 45-cm astrograph and a CCD camera at the International Scientific Optical Network's robotic observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico. The magnitude was given as 19.5-19.6. The first confirmation came from A. Sergeyev and A. Novichonok(Majdanak Observatory, Uzbekistan), when they obtained four images during December 10.99-11.00 using the 1.5-m reflector and a CCD camera. The magnitude was given as 19.1 and the comet was described as a "teardrop-shaped, very diffuse coma." This coma was 6 arc seconds across and exhibited a nuclear condensation of magnitude 20.7, while a tail extended 10-12 arc seconds toward PA 298 degrees.

Historical Highlights

The first parabolic orbit was calculated by G. V. Williams on 2010 December 17. He took 33 positions from the period spanning 2010 December 10-12 and determined the perihelion date as 2010 April 1.81. The perihelion distance was given as 5.15 AU. Williams added, "It is possible that this comet is of short period." The Minor Planet Center released a revised orbit on December 18 that showed a quite different orbit. The perihelion date was given as 2011 September 5.47, while the perihelion distance was 0.45 AU. This was based on 57 positions from the period of December 10-17. This orbit was confirmed on December 24. We now know that the comet is moving in a very long-period orbit, with a perihelion date of 2011 September 10.75, a perihelion date of 0.48 AU, and a period of about one million years.

Several observatories kept the comet under observation through the remainder of 2010, as the comet slightly brightened to about magnitude 19.

The comet has been well observed by observatories from the beginning of 2011 to the present, with visual observers finally picking up the comet on April 5. The comet began the year at a nuclear magnitude of about 19, and brightened to about 18 by February 1, 17 by March 1, and 16.5 by April 1. The January and February observations typical revealed a coma about 0.3' across and a tail extending 0.3-0.5'. The first visual observation was acquired by J. J. Gonzalez (Alto del Castro - Aralla, Leon, Spain) on April 5. He was using his 20-cm reflector, giving the magnitude as 14.9 and noting a strongly condensed coma 0.3' across. Gonzalez has remained the most active observer, reporting magnitudes of 13.7 on April 26, 13.2 on May 22, and 10.5 on June 25. During the same period, he noted the coma diameter was 1.3' in April, 1.2' in May, and 2.5' in June. Gonzalez noted on June 25 that the comet was "brighter than expected" and that the larger coma represented the dimension of a faint outer region that had become visible.

Upcoming Highlights

The comet will reach its most southerly declination of -5.7 degrees on September 10, the same day that it passes perihelion (0.48 AU).

The comet will pass less than 2 degrees from the sun on September 26.

The comet will pass 0.23 AU from Earth on October 16.

The comet will reach its most northerly declination of +30.9 degrees on October 28.

The comet will reach a maximum elongation of 175 degrees on November 22.

Whole article: http://cometography.com/lcomets/2010x1.html

[Hervé]

There is a deliberate obfuscation propagated and fueled in the new alternative MSM regarding these stellar objects to such an extent that a puny comet is being dubed as a dwarf star or a neutron star, etc....

Elenin is just a puny comet, no more. What people turn it into, that's their own.

However, there are growing evidences that our solar system is a binary star system.

Check this post for an overview: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post272050

The period of the orbiting around each other of our Sun and its twin Brown Dwarf is determined by the precesssion of the Equinoxes. One cycle takes 24,000 years to complete:

Binary Model - Kepler Solution

An observer on a planet in a binary system would notice a change in orientation at a rate commensurate to the orbit period around the common center of mass. (USNO) With minor local effects and no eccentricity, this type of change in orientation at 50´´p/y would equate to an orbit periodicity of 25,920 years. (1,296,000/50 = 25,920). At 54´´p/y, again with minor local effects and no eccentricity, this type of change in orientation would equate to 24,000 years (1,296,000/54 = 24,000). In 1894, about the same time that the great astronomer Simon Newcomb gave us a precession formula with a constant of .000222 p/y (designed to predict changes in the precession rate), an Indian astronomer, Sri Yukteswar, explained that the moving equinox (precession) was a result of a moving solar system and he gave us a binary orbit periodicity of 24,000 years, with apoapsis at 500 A.D. Thus, one scientist gave us a strictly local dynamics model and the other a strictly non-local dynamic SS model. Which model was more accurate over the next 100 years?
[...]
Comparing Yukteswar’s and Newcomb’s predictions to the actual we find the dynamic SS model to be 41 times more accurate than the lunisolar precession model over the last 100 years.

In this chart we have included precession calculations for 10 year periods, over the last 100 years.


The first nine points are from Newcomb (or use Newcomb’s methodology) and the last three are from the Astronomical Almanac. The red line is a plot of the rate of increase (in arc length) required for a body in a 24,000 year orbit (Dynamic Solar System Model). Note the slope of the red line better fits the long term precession observable compared to Newcomb's calculations.

It is a given (in the right column) as the annual rate of precession accelerates, the orbit period (or wobble cycle in lunisolor theory) will decrease.

The ascending line is the plot one would expect to see if our sun were in a binary orbit with a total period of 24,000 years and mild eccentricity. Notice the historical data has a high correlation to our hypothesized orbit period.

Lunisolar theory gives no good reason for the trend. A binary orbit, conforming to the laws of elliptical orbits, is a logical explanation

A binary system is two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. The stars can be of the same or differing sizes and orbits can be as short as a few days or as long as thousands of years. The short ones are easy to detect, the long ones difficult, some probably impossible to detect because of the very long observation period required.

While there is no obvious visible companion star to our Sun, there could be a dark binary, such as a brown dwarf or possibly a relatively small black hole, either of which might be very difficult to detect, without accurate and lengthy analysis

The above is taken from http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.o...n/theory.shtml

check it out!

[Hervé]

If any correlation at all, I would suspect the Mayan Calendar to be tied to the Binary star system as the speed along these orbits accelerates along half of it and decelerates along the other half.

[Edward Alexander]

Thanks for the info, and yeah those Mayans knew alot of astronomy. It does seem like the ending of the calendars cycle corresponds to the coming of the comet Elenin though, considering the very specific dates this happens perfectly synchronized by the Mayan calendar's date. I talked to a friend last night whom knows Carl Calleman, the well-recognized Mayan researcher, and found out that he ( Calleman ) also says there is a connection between the comet and the end date of the calendar.

That on its own though is not the real interesting part here in what's being discussed, of more importance is how the Comet Elenin was known about decades ago or longer back, and how such preparations and executions of Rituals directed towards it has been performed up through time connecting it with a large amount of other historical events, times and places, including such as the Vatican's involvement and knowledge along with the secret orders they work with whom in turn later on worked with Aleister Crowley and the governments to plan the ritual and even implement it in exact details on the dollar bill which functioned as sigil-based talisman towards the ritual coming and executed 911 , 2001, with the sacrifice of thousands of lives, now ending and culminating with the last part of the ritual through Elenin which was the very target for the main 911 ritual.

[Hervé]

Posted by Edward Alexander (here)
[...]
That on its own though is not the real interesting part here in what's being discussed, of more importance is how the Comet Elenin was known about decades ago or longer back, and how such preparations and executions of Rituals directed towards it has been performed up through time connecting it with a large amount of other historical events, times and places, including such as the Vatican's involvement and knowledge along with the secret orders they work with whom in turn later on worked with Aleister Crowley and the governments to plan the ritual and even implement it in exact details on the dollar bill which functioned as sigil-based talisman towards the ritual coming and executed 911 , 2001, with the sacrifice of thousands of lives, now ending and culminating with the last part of the ritual through Elenin which was the very target for the main 911 ritual.

That's where I find an implausibility with Elenin's 1 million years' orbital period. To me, Elenin is no more than a convenient scarecrow/patsy. The real culprit being the Brown Dwarf which should begin to be detectable from the Southern Hemisphere by the end of this month.

That's the why invoked for the Vatican getting and using telescopes in the Southern hemisphere. Infrared ones.

I may be wrong. However, for the moment and until further data are made available, I -- of course -- don't think so.

[gandra99]

Richard C. Hoagland - Comet Elenin as a Time Capsule, Norway Attack & The Messengers of Horus
July 25, 2011
Richard C. Hoagland is a former museum space science Curator, a former NASA Consultant and was science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News. In the early 1970's, Hoagland proposed to Carl Sagan (along with Eric Burgess) the placement of a "message to Mankind" aboard Pioneer 10 -- humanity's "first" unmanned probe of Jupiter. Since then he has been pioneering the pursuit of uncovering the hidden data of our solar system. He is the author of several books, probably most famous for his theories on the face on Mars. His website enterprisemission.com, is updated regularly with analytical research into current anomalies on our planet and way beyond. In this interview, Richard shares his convincing theory about Comet Elenin, its symbolism, purpose and message which is a positive one. He rips apart the fear-porn propaganda about Comet Elenin as this is a key point in time and someone or something is intervening to steer consciousness into another direction. Could it be that Elenin is a time capsule sent by our ancestors containing important information crucial for this time? Then, Hoagland weaves together an intense eye-opener which connects Comet Elenin with September 11, the original masonic message, the bombing in Norway and the secret space program.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-110726.php

[Hervé]

Posted by gandra99 (here)

Richard C. Hoagland - Comet Elenin as a Time Capsule, Norway Attack & The Messengers of Horus
July 25, 2011
[...]

Could it be that Elenin is a time capsule sent by our ancestors containing important information crucial for this time?

[...]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-110726.php

Again, that would have been 1 million years ago...

I am not sure what inspires Hoagland but I think he is losing it.

[The Truth Is In There]

they knew about comet elenin because they knew about planet x/nibiru of which elenin is the precursor. the hopi knew about the two and called them the blue kachina and the red kachina. the planetary alignment of sep 29th 2011 is mentioned in the bible in rev. 12.1, supposedly written almost 2000 years ago or so (i'm not an expert on christian mythology). there are a number of other, less-known prophecies that speak about these things in more general terms but it all boils down to this - it was known by those who could see/predict the future that there's going to be a precursor to the destroyer (planet x/nibiru/wormwood) and that this harbinger of doom would start a period of 7 rather problematic years, what christians call "the great tribulation".

however, what many prophecies also speak about is ascension, what christians call the rapture, and people like george kavassilas or those who channel certain entities (kirael for example) agree about - portals opening just as it gets really ugly.

now, this thought is very new-agey, but what if portals are going to open and only people with a sufficiently high vibration are able to see and step through these portals and thus slip through the fingers of those who would keep them here? wouldn't these powers try by all means possible to keep the vibration of the population low by creating fear, anger, terror, etc.? since this ascension is such a momentous event, known to them since millennia, it would certainly make sense that they're planning for it since a long long time, with the one final goal of..what? preventing as many people as possible from ascending? keeping them as future slaves in the 3rd density? well, in a few months we'll know why they went to such great lengths to plan and execute all of this.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Hi there, according to sources ELENIN and NIBIRU are two different objects... Nibiru is said to be a brown dwarf with 7 orbiting planets (one of these could be planet X) .. Nibiru follows 5 AU behind Elenin so that should fit with Dec 2012 and the Mayan Calender for the arrival of Nibiru... Bloody interesting.

All i know is that Elenin is on the way and if it is just a small comet nothing which has happened or is happening is/was caused by it.... More likely earth changes are caused by Nibiru following.

We shall see.

Love to you all and get up hill away from major cities NOW.
Peter

[thunder24]

Posted by Watching from Cyprus (here)
Hi there, according to sources ELENIN and NIBIRU are two different objects... Nibiru is said to be a brown dwarf with 7 orbiting planets (one of these could be planet X) .. Nibiru follows 5 AU behind Elenin so that should fit with Dec 2012 and the Mayan Calender for the arrival of Nibiru... Bloody interesting.

All i know is that Elenin is on the way and if it is just a small comet nothing which has happened or is happening is/was caused by it.... More likely earth changes are caused by Nibiru following.

We shall see.

Love to you all and get up hill away from major cities NOW.
Peter

where did you get that nibiru was 5 AU behind elenin? Interesting, if its all ready posted please just point the way. thanks

peace

[Mutchie]

Elenin could be a distraction but im not sure i have read all about it and i have watched videos until i needed councilling to learn how to switch the tv off but the truth is WHAT WILL HAPPEN WILL HAPPEN - I think myself that something BIG IS COMING because EVERYTHING POINTS IN THAT DIRECTION - i mean when you look at the numerology involved its quite staggering but then again maybe elenin is a warning call to other goverments to get ready - I have been watching the videos of Donny Gillsom "ursuadams" he monitors the nuemayer station "south pole" and it has BLOWN ME AWAY SEEING SOME OF THE STUFF GOING ON DOWN THERE ! He keeps sighting a planet which shouldnt be there we see the sun and the moon and then this other object "nibiru" who knows ? and what about Austrailia sighting 2 moons these last few nights ?

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Again, that would have been 1 million years ago...

I am not sure what inspires Hoagland but I think he is losing it.

You keep quoting this basically made up year, it most certainly is far from 1 million years orbit. If you even look at the official numbers, they started with 4.4 million years, then suddenly decreased that number to around 1 million years, and last time I checked it was downgraded even further to around 600 000 years. You'll see that information on the wikipedia page about Elenin.

In addition, if you look at other calculations made by different astronomers and scientists, the year is not anywhere near accurate or established, since some mention around 10 000 years, others 26000 years, then some 80 000 years and so on.

So obviously, it is completely unknown and wild guesses, for all we know the date will continue to decrease as more studies are done. Personally I dont know if the suggested 26000 years orbit is the correct one which I mentioned, but regardless of the time period for the orbit it is for certain the Mayans knew this period since they could implement a calendar with the date of the comets arrival at the 9th wave of the Mayan system, and using that date as the end of the Mayan calendar cycle.

[Edward Alexander]

Mutchie: I dont think the comet Elenin is a distraction, everything points at it being the very specific goal since the ritual and sacrifice of 911 and so on were executed and directed without any doubt at Elenin and not some other cosmic object. It would make more sense to direct such extremely long planned rituals and actions towards the ACTUAL event then, and there is nothing indicating any other event in the first place, all that is known is that this comet Elenin is coming, no confirmations or evidence for anything following along with it such as many speculate with red dwards, nibiru, other planets and what not.

[jasen]

i have been stuck to my pc eagerly watching the progress of comet elinin latley and i am now starting to reasearch comet honda (as it will be its closests to earth next week appx 18th august)

alot of us who are following these comets would have no doubt been on the official elenin site http://elenin.org/

whats started to get me slightly more interested was this pargraph:




should we be worrying about honda rather than elenin?

is elenin just a way of the authorities distracting us from the real danger?

thanks for reading
jasen

[Hervé]

Posted by Edward Alexander (here)
[...]

You keep quoting this basically made up year, it most certainly is far from 1 million years orbit. If you even look at the official numbers, they started with 4.4 million years, then suddenly decreased that number to around 1 million years, and last time I checked it was downgraded even further to around 600 000 years. You'll see that information on the wikipedia page about Elenin.

[...]

I use that orbital period as the one being in the ball-park of the actual one. I posted the paper publishing that date in post #15 in this thread. I have better trust in that period length than any meanderings from wikipedia or NASA.

Your whole interpretation seems to be based on the assumption the Mayans knew of this comet and its 26,000 years cycle yet admit:

So obviously, it is completely unknown and wild guesses, [...] it is for certain the Mayans knew this period since they could implement a calendar with the date of the comets arrival at the 9th wave of the Mayan system, and using that date as the end of the Mayan calendar cycle.

I contend the mayan calendar is not derived from this unknown, puny comet but from the precession of the equinoxes which cycle is estimated to be between 24,000 and 26,000 years.

With the growing evidence of our solar system being a binary one and the precession of the equinoxes being best fitted to a binary star system than to a luni-solar wobble model (see post #16) it seems to me that the Mayan calendar is derived from the cyle of a Brown Dwarf binary around our Sun; not an unknown comet.

It boils down to how the facts are approached and interpreted:

* desperately attempting to fit the facts to a theory/hypothesis, leaving out the ones that don't, or

* modifying the theory/hypothesis to explain current known facts and predict new ones to be uncovered.

As an example, both evolutionism and creationism fall under the first category since both disregard "Out Of Place Artifacts". Einstein, on the other hand, was ready and willing to reconsider his theory in the odd case of one single fact/observation contradicting it.

It is up to you as to which one you want to pursue.

[Lettherebelight]

Hi jasen, and welcome

Thanks for bringing this up (Honda). I have to admit, I have heard so many things on the imminent comet flypast...I just don't know anymore. But I would definitely agree with the probability of the attempt to distract everyone from the real danger!

[Edward Alexander]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

I use that orbital period as the one being in the ball-park of the actual one. I posted the paper publishing that date in post #15 in this thread. I have better trust in that period length than any meanderings from wikipedia or NASA.

Your whole interpretation seems to be based on the assumption the Mayans knew of this comet and its 26,000 years cycle yet admit:

So obviously, it is completely unknown and wild guesses, [...] it is for certain the Mayans knew this period since they could implement a calendar with the date of the comets arrival at the 9th wave of the Mayan system, and using that date as the end of the Mayan calendar cycle.

I contend the mayan calendar is not derived from this unknown, puny comet but from the precession of the equinoxes which cycle is estimated to be between 24,000 and 26,000 years.

With the growing evidence of our solar system being a binary one and the precession of the equinoxes being best fitted to a binary star system than to a luni-solar wobble model (see post #16) it seems to me that the Mayan calendar is derived from the cyle of a Brown Dwarf binary around our Sun; not an unknown comet.

It boils down to how the facts are approached and interpreted:

* desperately attempting to fit the facts to a theory/hypothesis, leaving out the ones that don't, or

* modifying the theory/hypothesis to explain current known facts and predict new ones to be uncovered.

As an example, both evolutionism and creationism fall under the first category since both disregard "Out Of Place Artifacts". Einstein, on the other hand, was ready and willing to reconsider his theory in the odd case of one single fact/observation contradicting it.

It is up to you as to which one you want to pursue.

Thus your own date is the same as all other dates flowing around, guesses and nothing confirmed. The reason I mentioned the 26000 year period was simply because that was the date I was given when reading about the orbit. I also clearly said that IF that date was correct it would explain those other events that took place back around the same time period. This whole part regarding the mayan calendar and a possible date relating to the orbit is not even important regarding what this whole thread is about, it is an extra added curiosity , and the fact of the matter is that no matter what is the real time period for the orbit the date the comet is most close to Earth will still match the date of the end of the Mayan calendars full cycle. So that is still the main connection between these two specific things.

As for the purpose of this thread, it is to show how there is a direct connection with planet Elenin, various the Elite and secret orders and their rituals and staged attacks such as 911, and how long it has been in action and so long ago was started and planned. That's the actually interesting part of what I've explained here, and also close to the whole part with the exception of the date mentioned as a possible clue to the Mayans having based there calendar on their comet. But as said, it is still based on the comet as the orbit period is irrelevant when it comes to the fact that it arrives earth at the same time the Mayan calendar ends, thus in a major way they did base the calendar on that aspect of the comet.

It is quite possible that there is a binary companion to the sun as you mention, i have seen some evidence presented that suggests so but nothing enough to properly determine it. But I'm completely open for that possibility myself.

Regarding your "facts" regarding my approach and interpreting:
There has been absolutely no desperation in creating any theory here. The facts were already there and known, and themselves built the "theory" from their clear view of how they all relates to each other all the way up to the coming of the comet Elenin. Nothing was left out, there is nothing to be left out, since the facts already are the way as presented.


Neither was anything modified to explain anything, all of it is self-explanatory from the already existing facts that makes this a very clear and easy thing to see.

Why I would even come up with the idea of creating a theory and finding events, people, dates etc to connect it with to make it seem real and logical I wouldnt even know. Sounds like a very silly waste of time and I am not fond of wasting my time or conjure up things for the heck of it.

The facts I have presented are all available for anyone to check as its part of historical records and current events etc. To understand the connection that runs through all the different times, places, people and events all you need is common sense and logic to see that they fits extremely properly together and gives a complete view over what has been in operating and by whom. I have tried to explain aspects relating to magic and numerology in ways that should be possible for people not involved with such to understand. If something for some strange reason still is not possible to understand or see here I can only suggest those individuals to do some studies in history, world leaders, occultism, magic and the secret orders and societies that these people in question here are all part of and have been part of since the foundation of USA.

For some indepth information filled with facts about how the occult and magic is a major part of society, the secret orders and societies, and how this all goes back to the foundation of USA and who created it and what they based it upon you can look at this documentary that goes into depths on that topic:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...23336750529196

Worth a watch if you are not familiar with how the world is based upon occult principles and mainly run and controlled by members of secret orders and societies that practices these things.

[PixieDust]

Maybe i missed something so please excuse my igornance if i did, but what would be the purpose in making a scrafice in the 9/11 attacks for the comet to come ten years later?

You've made some amazing connections in proving that they are some how connected with the names and numbers ect but what i dont get is why would they do it? As far as i've seen, which i haven't done a ton of research on the topic but just regular listening and watching, 9/11 just caused financial issues and allowed us to start wars with the middle east (to simplify it). My understanding of the comet, and again no in depth research on it, is it effects the earth and the natural weather patterns/ volcanos /magnetic field and so on. Im failing to see the connection between what appears to me as a government ploy to distract the sheeple so TPTB can carry out their nasties, and a comet that effects nature.

Unless its that the occult mindset of TPTB made the ritual to try and sooth the comet to save the earth or something. Like 1000s of years ago when there was a drought they'd kill a cow so the gods would make it rain?

That being said... I think focusing on the exact length of the orbit is a bit nitpicky. Im not trying to offend and yes the exact number would be beneficial... if the comet was still far away or if studying the past of the earth or passing on information to the next generations. The fact is its (what ever "it" is) up there right now coming towards us so does it really really matter how long it took to come back? We're dealing with it right now, a few months out of its turn around. Shouldnt we focus on what is happening and what will happen vs what did happen or how long it took to happen?

I dont usually pay much attention to exact dates. One im just not that kind of person, and two because of all the calendar changes (mayan, julian, gregorian..) and that man mostly had a hand in making them they dont seem that exact. For instance a king (i dont remember which one) wanted his birthday to be in january so he added a day in january. a simple miscalculation could have been made which would, over the years, dramatically change the count of where we actually are in the solar calendar or years. Or even if the earths complete rotation is actually 364.7 days. that .3 adds up over thousands/millions of years.

Could it also be that they staged the 9/11 attacks knowing about Elenin so someone would make the connection and open a new rabbit hole for us to jump down and get distracted from another truth? just playing devils advocate on that one.

maybe im just not seeing the big picture from my lack of in depth research. I am curious about all the connections Edward Alexander made though.