Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[ThePythonicCow]

This thread is actually the merger of several threads, dating back months. Like it's topic, it is complex .

I have changed the thread title from "Proof that Comet Elenin doesn't exists! We have Nibiru instead!" to "Is it Comet Elenin? Is it Nibiru? Elenin Updates."

I wanted to catch a bit of the flavor of the original title (from the oldest thread in the merge), as that has become what many of us have come to know as this threads title. At the same time, I wanted to make it a bit more generic, to encompass the various and ongoing updates being posted here.

Thanks for suggesting a title change - hope I chose an adequate one.

[cloud9]

Posted by yiolas (here)
Hey Guys, eventhough I've stated on this thread that I believe something positive will come from all of this Elenin stuff, I just want to give everyone a heads up about what 'Alexander Retrov' (Novelist, poet, channel, tarot card reader and expert on ancient Egypt & 2012) is warning in predictions he is making regarding Comet Elenin and the very important dates of August 17 and September 26, 2011

There will be a BIG earthquake on August 17th (+ or – a day) it may involve Japan, China, New Zealand, Los Angeles, Mt Vesuvius or Mt Etna, but I feel it will mainly be North America, between the Alusian Islands off Alaska, Seattle or San Francisco. On this date there is an alignment between Venus, the Sun, Mercury and the Earth, with Nibiru at right angles to the sun. I received this channeled information early in 2010 and mistakenly presumed it was for Aug 2010, Now it is clear it was for August 2011. Please tell everyone to warn their family and friends in these areas.

He also does not mince words in describing what will happen on September 26, 2011. Watch the video below. Here is the description:

Dec 2012 or sooner? Yes much sooner, the clock runs out September 25th THIS YEAR. The truth the governments of the world are keeping from you. This seminar presented by Alex Retrov and Krystal Alexander-Hille will wake you up to the truth behind the 2012 doomsday prophecy. Dec 21st 2012 is a fake date created by the 'Illuminati' to catch us completely unprepared for the horrific events to come in September THIS YEAR . The clock runs out this year, NOT 2012. See the overwhelming evidence for yourself!

Video Link "2012 The TRUTH You're NOT being TOLD The clock runs out Sep 25th 2011 "

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=scZAOQNopok

I just want to point out that the first 4 minutes or so of this video have the horrible creepy sound in the video in the thread Strange Noise in Ukraine.

I was using headphones when listening to it and I was feeling very nauseous but I didn't know why until I had to stop to answer the phone, to describe it somehow, the silence was too much... after I answered the phone call and started listening to the video again, the sound was there.

I'm wondering if this kind of sound has the purpose of hypnotize people seeing this video so they believe without questioning all they're saying which is very doom and gloom.

I want to point this out because I truly believe nothing is going to happen at this time or at least not because of Elenin, It makes me so sad to see so many people scared and anxious about this thing... if something happens I'll surely die because I live in Long Island so I wish you luck.

Please check the ominous sound... the first 4 minutes.

[kathymarie]

I can't find Part 2 that Alex Retrov mentions....with Krystal Alexander-Hille. Does anyone know about a link to this?

[kathymarie]

..........and since I'm asking.......who or what is he alluding to when he mentions the blacked out section of Virgo on Google Sky? I didn't see anything blacked out nor did I see the winged-disk in Leo, although there are references on google to anomalies detected in Google sky recently. I could use a bit of good news after this doom and gloom. My oldest daughter is expecting her first child in December....so what I want are practical ideas about what to do...when to do it.....

blessings...kathy

[Operator]

Posted by kathymarie (here)
....so what I want are practical ideas about what to do...when to do it.....

Since we can't positively prove they are right I am always looking for points where they are clearly wrong.

In this case I think the weak points were that according to him earth is moving downward toward the galactic plane and that's were he thinks the 'Photon Band' is.
IMHO earth is currently moving up and away from the galactic plane. We are moving into an area with increased cosmic radiation which may relate to
significant changes that occur 'periodically'.

Wikipedia links the Photon Belt mainly as a 'pseudo-scientific belief' to the new age movement which he's trying to oppose ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_belt

I think it is a very practical idea just to wait and see what happens the next 2 days ... major earthquake or not.
Then there is better opportunity to evaluate it again.

[cloud9]

I just finished the video, quite disturbing.... he said Lake Titicaca is (was?) a water salted lake bt I think this tidbit is wrong, to my knowledge, Titicaca is not salted water.

At this point I think we are just a few hours away from the first prediction so the only thing to do is wait and see.

Perhaps I'm too optimistic but I truly believe that if Nibiru or the Brown Dwarf is so close as to cause so much damage to our planet and perhaps other planets in our solar system by this time we should be able to see it with naked eyes or at least independent astronomers would.

Again, what was it with the wierd noise in the video?

Another point is: if we are so close to almost total destruction and he is so sure about it, how come those lectures are being given to just a few people at the time? If I was in that position of knowing something so important for the whole human race, I would be spreading the information far and wide using the internet and all radio programs as Coast to Coast and Radio Ice, etc., I'd be giving CDs away with the lecture, I would be making a lot of noise.

I don't know, perhaps I'm being too harsh or skeptic but honestly, I think if a big catastrophe was this close to us (everything would happen in the next6 2 months starting tomorrow) and it was due to cosmic agents such as a gigantic planet passing by too close for comfort, at this time it would be so evident that nobody could deny it, there would be many signs, I mean bigger signs.

I wonder who is this person, if anybody here knows a little more about him it would be helpful to know.

This is really a time of confusion and it's very easy to get scared... many times I wonder if those who are not awake yet are in better shape than us, at least they don't know about this kind of stuff or don't believe it and at the end, they can sleep better.

[nearing]

Posted by cloud9 (here)
I just finished the video, quite disturbing.... he said Lake Titicaca is (was?) a water salted lake bt I think this tidbit is wrong, to my knowledge, Titicaca is not salted water.

At this point I think we are just a few hours away from the first prediction so the only thing to do is wait and see.

Perhaps I'm too optimistic but I truly believe that if Nibiru or the Brown Dwarf is so close as to cause so much damage to our planet and perhaps other planets in our solar system by this time we should be able to see it with naked eyes or at least independent astronomers would.

Again, what was it with the wierd noise in the video?

Hate the noise! Don't these people realize that it's hard to take them seriously when they have doom music in the background? Cripes!

Some of his points seemed valid and others dubious.

[cloud9]

Posted by nearing (here)

Posted by cloud9 (here)
I just finished the video, quite disturbing.... he said Lake Titicaca is (was?) a water salted lake bt I think this tidbit is wrong, to my knowledge, Titicaca is not salted water.

At this point I think we are just a few hours away from the first prediction so the only thing to do is wait and see.

Perhaps I'm too optimistic but I truly believe that if Nibiru or the Brown Dwarf is so close as to cause so much damage to our planet and perhaps other planets in our solar system by this time we should be able to see it with naked eyes or at least independent astronomers would.

Again, what was it with the wierd noise in the video?

Hate the noise! Don't these people realize that it's hard to take them seriously when they have doom music in the background? Cripes!

Some of his points seemed valid and others dubious.

That noise is not accident... it's at the begining for a whole 4 minutes and then once in while, there it was again... it looks to me it is on purpose.

[ghostrider]

the talking heads will soon be scrambling for astrology/science folks to explain all the strange things in the sky . nibiru/comets/moons . wonder if they'll make the connections will all the disasters, and the mini solar system. by the way the moon looks funny, I wonder if it's a hologram, and what happened to the our moon...

[cloud9]

I went to the website http://www.alexanderretrov.com/2012-...ground-details

Please note the predictions for dates already passed. To be honest, I feel a lot better now...


"Here are some key dates to do with ‘Elenin.’ which I will now refer to as Nibiru

AU is a measure of distance = distance of earth to sun = ~93 million miles.

Feb 27th 2010 – Chile earthquake, magnitude 8.8, direct alignment of earth on same side of sun to Nib – 6.042 AU. Mercury and Venus also on opposite side as was Jupiter

Sept 4th 2010 – First Christchurch quake, magnitude 7.2 direct alignment on opposite side of sun to Nib 6.258 AU. Mercury and Venus also on opposite side

Early Feb 2011 – Nibiru passed through the asteroid belt, picking up and dragging hundreds perhaps thousands of asteroids of various sizes in its gravitational wake.

Mar 11th 2011 – Japan earthquake magnitude 9, direct alignment on same side of sun to Nib 2.01 AU

June 12th 2011 – Nibiru passes inside the orbit of Mars. More erratic weather patterns, increase in variance of temperatures, increase in melting of polar ice. Nibiru now visible at dusk and dawn

July 25th 2011 – Nibiru passes inside the orbit of Earth. Even more erratic weather patterns and increase in variance of temperatures, increase in melting of polar ice. Increase in volcanic eruptions and activity. Increase in Nibiru’s visibility; even in daylight.

Aug 12th 2011 – Nibiru passes inside the orbit of Venus Start to notice the gravitational effects: the pulling of our orbit into a shallower orbit and the retarding of our orbital speed. Our moon’s orbit becomes more ovoid creating larger tidal flows and coastal flooding. Increase in temperatures more prevalent, increase in storm activity as water is evaporated from the side of the earth facing the two suns, and it precipitates on the ‘dark’ side. Increase in tornadoes and hurricanes and their intensity. Nibiru closer to alignment with the sun and harder to see during the day, but very prominent at dusk and dawn. Possible near impacts or collisions of planets orbiting Nibiru with Earth or our moon from this date forward.

Aug 27th 2011 – Nibiru passes inside the orbit of Mercury. Start to notice the gravitational effects: the pulling of our orbit into a shallower orbit and the retarding of our orbital speed. Our moon’s orbit becomes more ovoid creating larger tidal flows and coastal flooding. Increase in temperatures more prevalent, increase in storm activity as water is evaporated from the side of the earth facing the two suns, and it precipitates on the ‘dark’ side. Increase in tornadoes and hurricanes and their intensity. Nibiru closer to alignment with the sun and harder to see during the day, but very prominent at dusk and dawn. Possible near impacts or collisions of planets orbiting Nibiru with Earth or our moon from this date forward.

Sept 1st 2011 – Increase in the gravitational effects: the pulling of our orbit into a shallower orbit. Our moon’s orbit becomes even more ovoid creating larger tidal flows and coastal flooding. Profound increase in volcanic activity. Increase in temperatures more prevalent, increase in storm activity as water is evaporated from the side of the earth facing the two suns, and it precipitates on the ‘dark’ side. Further increases in tornadoes and hurricanes and their intensity. Possible near impacts or collisions of planets orbiting Nibiru with Earth or our moon.

Sept 26th 2011 – Earth in direct alignment on same side of sun with Nibiru inside – 0.381 AU. Mercury & Venus opposite. This is 5 times closer than the March 11 quake and in direct alignment. Gravitation and heat work on an inverse square mathematical relationship, which means the effect on our planet, effect on the quakes is 25 times greater. Earth is also in the solar wind ‘shadow’ of Nibiru. Massive gravitational effects: the pulling of our orbit into an even shallower orbit. Our moon’s orbit becomes move ovoid creating massive tidal flows and coastal flooding. Numerous volcanic eruptions world wide. Increase in temperatures even more prevalent, further increase in storm activity as water is evaporated from the side of the earth facing the two suns, and it precipitates on the ‘dark’ side. Increasing numbers of tornadoes and hurricanes and their intensity. Most probable numerous massive earthquakes (at least 25 times greater than a 9 on the Richter scale); Japan to go under the ocean, LA and San Francisco earthquakes highly probable, New Zealand to be hit by major earthquakes and possibly go under the ocean. Probable eruption of the Yellowstone Supervolcano. Possible pacific plate to pop and rotate. Huge tsunami (at least three times as high as the Hollywood hills) to hit pacific rim, Phillippines, Asia, China, Alaska, US West Coast, South American West Coast, New Zealand and East Coast of Australia. Possible near impacts or collisions of planets orbiting Nibiru with Earth or our moon."

[loveandgratitude]

BUYER BEWARE...............He is asking for money. If you are doomed, how is money going to help him?

[Hervé]

Posted by yiolas (here)
Hey Guys, eventhough I've stated on this thread that I believe something positive will come from all of this Elenin stuff, I just want to give everyone a heads up about what 'Alexander Retrov' (Novelist, poet, channel, tarot card reader and expert on ancient Egypt & 2012) is warning in predictions he is making regarding Comet Elenin and the very important dates of August 17 and September 26, 2011

There will be a BIG earthquake on August 17th (+ or – a day) it may involve Japan, China, New Zealand, Los Angeles, Mt Vesuvius or Mt Etna, but I feel it will mainly be North America, between the Alusian Islands off Alaska, Seattle or San Francisco. On this date there is an alignment between Venus, the Sun, Mercury and the Earth, with Nibiru at right angles to the sun. I received this channeled information early in 2010 and mistakenly presumed it was for Aug 2010, Now it is clear it was for August 2011. Please tell everyone to warn their family and friends in these areas.

Video Link "2012 The TRUTH You're NOT being TOLD The clock runs out Sep 25th 2011 "

https://youtube.com/watch?v=scZAO...eature=feedlik

Well, I have a 100% strong doubt about this guy's "sources" to be of anything based on facts.

Here is why:

* the object is named Nibiru whereas Nibiru doesn't exist and is only a figment of Sitchin's imagination( see Post # 650 as well as this one Post # 44 in another thread)

* Elenin has a 1 million years orbital period, there about, and therefore cannot be blamed for the catastrophes of the past millenia

*How can a planet be at right angles [sic] to the Sun? Seems like another case of fitting the data to the theory.

* Elenin seems to have been assigned the role of the flying drunk, box-cutters holders of 9-11 infame as it seems to validate the Solar Capacitor/Electric Universe theories of which I gave an example in post # 751:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
If geometry has anything to do with Elenin short-circuiting the Solar capacitor in accordance with McCanney and John H. Nelson then the following dates might prove of some interest:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]
ETA:

Looking at that JPL Elenin orbit, it seems there's an alignment Saturn-Elenin-Mercury-Sun-Jupiter square Earth around July 6-9... good days for healers and lightworkers to practice...

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
In that same vein, just eye-balling for a rough estimate, here are other "alignments" I noticed:

Aug. 13-17: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin

Sept. 27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Mars-Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

The thing to remember is that J.H. Nelson worked with heliocentric coordinates.

Refer to: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/22...are-heatin-up-

Now revised (v. 0.2):

Aug. 17-20: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin-(Sun)-(+/-Mars)

Sept. 25-27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Dec.14-__: Mars-Mercury-Sun square Jupiter

Jan 1 - __: Saturn-Mercury-Sun square Earth

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

Oct. 12 - __: Mars-Mercury-Sun-Venus-Elenin square Uranus

I have a v. 0.3 somewhere around as well.

If you check this post (post # 20 in "The Horror of Fukushima) you may be able to realize there is a wide discrepancy between the recorded magnitude of the earth quake on Japanese seismometers (6.67) and the magnitude published by the MSM (9.0) as well as a location discrepancy. My take is that something was enhanced to justify the reality of a huge tsunami which is responsible for the vast majority of the damages, not the "colossal" earthquake itself.

Now, since puny comet Elenin hasn't fried Stereo Behind to charred smithereens when passing close by to it; it would at least indicate that if any capacitor was involved, that particular one got discharged a while ago and is now flat. In other words, you can now put your hands in the circuitry without getting zapped.

Seems like grounding should be the order of the day.

[Hervé]

Posted by cloud9 (here)
I went to the website http://www.alexanderretrov.com/2012-...ground-details

Please note the predictions for dates already passed. To be honest, I feel a lot better now...

Good for you!

"Here are some key dates to do with ‘Elenin.’ which I will now refer to as Nibiru

Now... why do that?

AU is a measure of distance = distance of earth to sun = ~93 million miles.

Early Feb 2011 – Nibiru passed through the asteroid belt, picking up and dragging hundreds perhaps thousands of asteroids of various sizes in its gravitational wake.

[...]
Aug 12th 2011 – Nibiru passes inside the orbit of Venus Start to notice the gravitational effects: the pulling of our orbit into a shallower orbit and the retarding of our orbital speed. Our moon’s orbit becomes more ovoid creating larger tidal flows and coastal flooding. Increase in temperatures more prevalent, increase in storm activity as water is evaporated from the side of the earth facing the two suns, and it precipitates on the ‘dark’ side. Increase in tornadoes and hurricanes and their intensity. Nibiru closer to alignment with the sun and harder to see during the day, but very prominent at dusk and dawn. Possible near impacts or collisions of planets orbiting Nibiru with Earth or our moon from this date forward.

Etc....

Not sure why, but this sounds like the Zeta pranksters...

[yiolas]

Posted by kathymarie (here)
..........and since I'm asking.......who or what is he alluding to when he mentions the blacked out section of Virgo on Google Sky? I didn't see anything blacked out nor did I see the winged-disk in Leo, although there are references on google to anomalies detected in Google sky recently. I could use a bit of good news after this doom and gloom. My oldest daughter is expecting her first child in December....so what I want are practical ideas about what to do...when to do it.....

blessings...kathy

Hi Kathy, without wanting to sound that I resonate with everything this guy says, the blacked out area in Google Earth has been common knowledge for a while now. Here is a picture of it taken from Andy Loyd's website (of dark star fame)


Here's a link to Andy's site http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/googleearth.html.

I can empathize with you, I'm waiting to become a first time granny as well.

Whatever happens on this 3d plane over the next days or months, I can't believe that we are here at this time just to find ourselves running to the hills from an impending tsunami or deadly solar flare. What we may be witnessing is the mechanics of the dissolution of our 3d reality. There's no harm in pausing for a while to watch the fireworks. Our real purpose here is to be present during the greatest shift in human consciousness ever ! Relax and join the party !

[The One]

I know another Person caliming to Know whats going to happen in 2012 but an interesting watch anyway

•800 FEMA CAMPS
•COFFINS FOR 40 MILLION ?
•1000 mph winds?
•12-15 magnitude earthquakes?
•Gamma radiation that will incinerate biological life?
•Massive tidal waves, Acid rain, all water on the surface drying up, volcanoes, toxic ash and pyroclastic explosions?

Dec 2012 or sooner? Yes much sooner, the clock runs out September 25th THIS YEAR. The truth the governments of the world are keeping from you. This seminar presented by Alex Retrov and Krystal Alexander-Hille will wake you up to the truth behind the 2012 doomsday prophecy. Dec 21st 2012 is a fake date created by the 'Illuminati' to catch us completely unprepared for the horrific events to come in September THIS YEAR . The clock runs out this year, NOT 2012. See the overwhelming evidence for yourself!

Personally there is a lot of stuff going on but i think we will all be here well past 2012.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=scZAOQNopok

http://www.alexanderretrov.com/2012-...ground-details

I also believe any person who makes money from these predictions are false.

[Robstar]

My question to this people that predict this events, is what is the point?
So what?
How are you going to evade a calamity of that magnitude. It would be a miracle if you survived even one of those events. And would you want to survive in a world where most of people are dead and you have no means of surviving the destruction left behind.
I'm not giving in to defeatism here, but no matter how much food you store or how much you prepare the odds are you would not survive.
I'm looking at this Elenin in a whole new light thanks to people who are predicting the end.
So i choose to live my life to the fullest and love the people around me right now!
Whatever will be will be. So be it.

[crosby]

wow, this guy really has the doom and gloom going on. i like how he says that he isn't going to give the audience all of the information, so that they may be able to investigate for themselves and make up their own minds.....teehee....... no time left to do that......
regards, corson

[steveofengland]

I think we can say its safe by the 21st rather than close of business today. Sn a little more time to wait and see. Remember that fellow who came up with that published paper with his georesinator, didn't he say the effects would lessen the closer it got due to speed increase?

[greybeard]

I think grains of truth are to be found in several videos BUT!!!
I am wary of those with sounds-- or professional made videos.

Truth is simple and does not need sensationalism.
The Mayans are very positive about the future.

The only danger is that by some fluke one of these doomsters get one result/ correct prediction, then human nature being what it is we will believe all the rest.

Im not a follower of David Wilcock or anyone else for that matter but at least he is consistently positive.
Assuming ETs are making some of the crop circles I dont see why they would bother if it was bad news--- it would be totally pointless.

Thats my logical assumptions---- so there .

Be happy

Love Chris

[Hervé]

Posted by The One (here)
[...]
http://www.alexanderretrov.com/2012-...ground-details

I also believe any person who makes money from these predictions are false.

More opinions and analyses overthere: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post285893