Ron Paul (2010-2011)

[robinr1]

compared to obama the gigantic war mongerer....and the bomb all the brown people for decades neo cons ....yes i would say that ron paul is head and shouders above the rest.


spiralmind......im venturing a guess u arent politically active and think its all a waste?

and if im incorrect what would u recommend politically active americans do to try and change the political culture in america?

thank you

robin

[TargeT]

Posted by risveglio (here)
I guess you don't comprehend his books the same way I do. Can you explain how ending the Fed leads to a one world government? Especially if all he does is not end the fed but just legalize competition. I was intrigued for a minute but now I am thinking you are just practicing demagoguery and probably have never read his books or supported him.

one world government & one world currency go hand in hand. you cannot have either with out the "fed" dissolving (this is not to say they will go away, simply restructure & go global, since the same people are involved in the central banks of the world (with a few small exceptions (which also happen to be "enemies" of the US... hmm strange coincidence? for fun look up the "bad guys" that we have been fighting for years, cross reference against a list of countries that have privately owned central banks... pattern analysis)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
I think Ron Paul speaks from this position. In all the years of listening to him, never have I found call to disagree with him on any fundamental issue. There precious few other politicians on the face of this planet I can say that of.

I agree change can only come if something different is tried - something truly different. Not Obama-style change. Yet Obama never spoke the way Ron Paul does. So why did so many fall for his platform of change-without-substance? At least Ron Paul puts his money where his mouth is.

Besides, Ron Paul is such a good American name.
President Paul.
It has a personal, homey, "my president" kind of sound...

now why does that sound like the perfect description of what I am trying to say he is?

to me everything that has been said here in "defense" of him only underlines my thought.


The video I posted really describes why we are not connecting here, I mean you don't have to agree with me, but the quick move to demonize, marginalize etc.. this is a byproduct of what's described there.

Posted by robinr1 (here)
anwhat would u recommend politically active americans do to try and change the political culture in america?

thank you

robin

back when I was active, the phrase "all politics are local" was my mantra... that's what I would have suggested at one time.

You have a very strongly held belief, Spesific neurons and neurotransmitters such as norepinephrine trigger a defensive state when we feel that our thoughts have to be protected from the influence of others. If you are then confronted with a difference in opinion, the chemicals that are released in the brain are the same ones that try to ensure our survival in dangerous situations. In this defensive state, the more primitive part of the brain interferes with rational thinking and the limbic system can knock out most of our working memory, physically causing "narrow mindedness".

ever feel like your talking to a wall when speaking to a political oponent, like they are just waiting for their turn to prove their point?

THIS is why.. (again, watch athene's video for more info, this is a KEY CONCEPT to human interaction)

[risveglio]

I am just going to drop this conversation with you target. Just like the video you are pushing, you are really just giving us a bunch of fluff. Ron Paul promotes competition in money, which is far from one world currency. As for the video post it as part of its own thread but there are quite a few contradictions in the theory posed in the video.

[finally there!!!]

im starting to think whoever these tptb are their very clever people surly they have a plan A B C D etc also i dont think you can count time as a factor at this stage,if were to believe a lot of these whistle blowers this plan has been thought out before we were even born. when i look at history i see lots uprising and the likes.and when these things happen the tptb say ok we better give the something to make them think their gonna get change.but lets be honest it never happens.. I always ask myself why dont people who are running for power say ok NO MORE manufacturing guns no more gm foods no more violence pumped into tv no more un-equality and no more money no more rubbing shoulders with people who have wronged the world in so many ways.

[risveglio]

"NO MORE manufacturing guns no more gm foods no more violence pumped into tv no more un-equality and no more money no more rubbing shoulders with people who have wronged the world in so many ways. "

I don't think this is realistic. Just sounds like a utopian idea that is just not possible. If you stop the manufacturing of guns, it will just go underground and only the criminals will have guns. Plus we had plenty of violence before we had guns. I don't think it is possible to end un-equality and I don't see how we live in a society without money unless you see a global consciousness raise that is probably not meant to happen in this reality.

I would love to stop gm foods or at least make sure they labeled so people can choose not to eat them, that might be possible.

[TargeT]

Posted by finally there!!! (here)
im starting to think whoever these tptb are their very clever people surly they have a plan A B C D etc also i dont think you can count time as a factor at this stage,if were to believe a lot of these whistle blowers this plan has been thought out before we were even born. when i look at history i see lots uprising and the likes.and when these things happen the tptb say ok we better give the something to make them think their gonna get change.but lets be honest it never happens.. I always ask myself why dont people who are running for power say ok NO MORE manufacturing guns no more gm foods no more violence pumped into tv no more un-equality and no more money no more rubbing shoulders with people who have wronged the world in so many ways.

very very right on all accounts.

What if this "PTB" had a 5,000 year plan? what if it was a 13,000,000 year plan? time has no meaning to these "people", they work in "sequences" (time is a man made conception, very trapping) if a sequence is not ready to be implemented, it's not implemented; however this does NOT mean there's no plan.. the complexity of this topic exponentially grows as you research it... you'll find yourself bored with the political game after a while, its SO simplistic (and I think they are bored as well, at least it seems like it to me,, who SERIOUSLY falls asleep at a congresional hearing? ).. haha

Posted by risveglio (here)
" unless you see a global consciousness raise that is probably not meant to happen in this reality.

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The mayan long count calander ends oct 28th of this year.. this is the culmination of 9 waves of conciousness.. this is EXACTLY what a lot of people think will be (or start to be) happening oct 28th,, do you not FEEL the quickening? doesn't it FEEL different right now?

[finally there!!!]

I don't think this is realistic. Just sounds like a utopian idea that is just not possible. If you stop the manufacturing of guns, it will just go underground and only the criminals will have guns. Plus we had plenty of violence before we had guns. I don't think it is possible to end un-equality and I don't see how we live in a society without money unless you see a global consciousness raise that is probably not meant to happen in this reality.

I would love to stop gm foods or at least make sure they labeled so people can choose not to eat them, that might be possible.

sorry dont know how to quote properly

Why is it not possible???? maybe because if you keep believing its not possible it will never happen so you will always be stuck in yours and the tbtb's reality...Everything is possible if we put our minds to it.
Humans used to say it was impossible to fly but look what happened there.. I know I might sound unrealistic but i have an idea in the same way every inventor has had. And as we all know some ideas become a reality..

[risveglio]

I'll just bring up the same points that others brought up in the thread about making everything free. This can only happen if everyone in the world agreed to it and followed through with it. I just don't see it happening and I am not sure it is supposed to happen. I think we are put here to work through challenges to grow and to learn from our troubles. I just don't see how this type of society is possible as long as we are in human form.

[Spiralmind]

Posted by robinr1 (here)
compared to obama the gigantic war mongerer....and the bomb all the brown people for decades neo cons ....yes i would say that ron paul is head and shouders above the rest.


spiralmind......im venturing a guess u arent politically active and think its all a waste?

and if im incorrect what would u recommend politically active americans do to try and change the political culture in america?

thank you

robin

You would be incorrect. My suggestion would be to simply stop participating in the system. Take your money out of the big banks, don't go to work, starve the system.
Listen, let's assume RP is elected to office and has all good intentions to turn things around. How much do you really think he will be able to accomplish? The political system is so corrupted and corporate controlled that he wouldn't get very far.

Starving an already crippled system won't take long to break it down, and it has the virtue of being non-violent. A website maybe to use as a starting point:

http://www.unitedwestrike.com/

Oh, and start getting angry.

[finally there!!!]

Posted by risveglio (here)
I'll just bring up the same points that others brought up in the thread about making everything free. This can only happen if everyone in the world agreed to it and followed through with it. I just don't see it happening and I am not sure it is supposed to happen. I think we are put here to work through challenges to grow and to learn from our troubles. I just don't see how this type of society is possible as long as we are in human form.

I really believe that 95% of the world would agree to it,sure why wouldnt they when you look at how the current system has completely ruined our beautiful planet and corrupted the minds of the people..
I do agree in what you say about working through challenges and learning from our troubles and what iv learnt is that that we need to start all over again.how much more trouble do we all need to see before its to late and we cant save ourselves..I'm quite positive i could gradually wean myself of the system and just do things because i I know they are right and by god if i can can do it anybody can lol

[Ilie Pandia]

Hm.... a lot of the Ron Paul speeches remind me of Obama speeches *before* he was president.

Boy did he make promises! He got me very enthusiastic and I am not even American. So he was elected and right the next year he forgot all of what he promised.

And now we have Ron Paul, who never held office as president, make big promises and claims, until he gets elected... and then guess what will happen...

As Bill Hicks put it: "He'll get to see the JFK assassination from an angle you've never seen before"

Do you actually think that Ron Paul has any kind of power to change the system that he is using to become president?

(PS: and while at it, I realize this is heated debate, with various strong opinions, but let's try and be polite )

[risveglio]

The mayan long count calander ends oct 28th of this year.. this is the culmination of 9 waves of conciousness.. this is EXACTLY what a lot of people think will be (or start to be) happening oct 28th,, do you not FEEL the quickening? doesn't it FEEL different right now?

I have hope but I fear things are going to get a hell of a lot worse before they get any better. I do hope I am wrong.

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hm.... a lot of the Ron Paul speeches remind me of Obama speeches *before* he was president.

Boy did he make promises! He got me very enthusiastic and I am not even American. So he was elected and right the next year he forgot all of what he promised.

And now we have Ron Paul, who never held office as president, make big promises and claims, until he gets elected... and then guess what will happen...

As Bill Hicks put it: "He'll get to see the JFK assassination from an angle you've never seen before"

Do you actually think that Ron Paul has any kind of power to change the system that he is using to become president?

(PS: and while at it, I realize this is heated debate, with various strong opinions, but let's try and be polite )

This is a valid statement but there are some key differences between Obama and Paul. Obama felt government could be the answer while Paul feels the people are the answer and we need to get government out of the way. I honestly believe that if his message was to win out, the game is over for TPTB even if they have him killed or cloned with a replacement or whatever else is conjured up in these forums. I hold onto hope that this is the last way to do it within the system in a non-violent way but I have been wrong before. I voted for Obama so I have made my share of mistakes.

I think we have a better chance of Ron Paul making a change then we do the greys or the GFL or any other outside alien source helping us, but that is just my opinion.

[TargeT]

Posted by risveglio (here)

The mayan long count calander ends oct 28th of this year.. this is the culmination of 9 waves of conciousness.. this is EXACTLY what a lot of people think will be (or start to be) happening oct 28th,, do you not FEEL the quickening? doesn't it FEEL different right now?

I have hope but I fear things are going to get a hell of a lot worse before they get any better. I do hope I am wrong.

It's never darker than right before dawn; I think your very right & I don't think much time is left, too many things on the edge of a cliff right now, too many "hot " global issues.

Posted by risveglio (here)

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hm.... a lot of the Ron Paul speeches remind me of Obama speeches *before* he was president.

Boy did he make promises! He got me very enthusiastic and I am not even American. So he was elected and right the next year he forgot all of what he promised.

And now we have Ron Paul, who never held office as president, make big promises and claims, until he gets elected... and then guess what will happen...

As Bill Hicks put it: "He'll get to see the JFK assassination from an angle you've never seen before"

Do you actually think that Ron Paul has any kind of power to change the system that he is using to become president?

(PS: and while at it, I realize this is heated debate, with various strong opinions, but let's try and be polite )

This is a valid statement but there are some key differences between Obama and Paul. Obama felt government could be the answer while Paul feels the people are the answer and we need to get government out of the way. I honestly believe that if his message was to win out, the game is over for TPTB even if they have him killed or cloned with a replacement or whatever else is conjured up in these forums. I hold onto hope that this is the last way to do it within the system in a non-violent way but I have been wrong before. I voted for Obama so I have made my share of mistakes.

I think we have a better chance of Ron Paul making a change then we do the greys or the GFL or any other outside alien source helping us, but that is just my opinion.

I think if RP does get to be pres, he will turn out completely ineffective with zero support from congress or the senate & if he uses exec. powers he's a hypocrite... or he goes all obama, greenspany on us.. great ****, beautiful ideals, conviction... then they get in power and ... hellow mr hyde.

but that wont happen, its all connected, the person that will get elected already has media support, look to the talking heads, they will let you know... they already chose not to pick paul, he's just there for the frustrated minority that are starting to understand that the government isn't really "there to help"..

[risveglio]

Posted by TargeT (here)
I think if RP does get to be pres, he will turn out completely ineffective with zero support from congress or the senate & if he uses exec. powers he's a hypocrite... or he goes all obama, greenspany on us.. great ****, beautiful ideals, conviction... then they get in power and ... hellow mr hyde.

but that wont happen, its all connected, the person that will get elected already has media support, look to the talking heads, they will let you know... they already chose not to pick paul, he's just there for the frustrated minority that are starting to understand that the government isn't really "there to help"..

Considering at least 90% of everything Congress has done in the last 40 years has been harmful, doing nothing would be an improvement. But if we are going with the hypothetical that he wins, chances are there would be a lot more small government types winning seats in the house and the senate. Maybe even some GOOOH candidates. And there is nothing hypocritical about using exec orders to remove other executive orders and then having an executive order to remove the ability of a president to create an executive order, which would do wonders for our liberty.

[Ernie Nemeth]

You know, just getting his ideas out in the mainstream is enough of an accomplishment for our side.

I am tired of filling in the blanks in people's understanding before I can argue with them.

People need to know what is going on and Ron Paul is well down that road.

But of course, once he's in power it's hard to see how he can turn it all around.

Politics, as it is usually played, is of almost no value for what needs to be done.

That can only be accomplished by a grassroots movement like this Site offers and others in the same genre.

[giovonni]

Well worth the watch - in transforming old mindsets into rethinking our way out of this current economic dilemma.

________________________________________

Written & Directed by Bill Still
http://www.secretofoz.com/


"What's going on with the world's economy?

Foreclosures are everywhere, unemployment is skyrocketing - and this may only be the beginning. Could it be that solutions to the world's economic problems could have been embedded in the most beloved children's story of all time, "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"? The yellow brick road (the gold standard), the emerald city of Oz (greenback money), even Dorothy's silver slippers (changed to ruby slippers for the movie version) were powerful symbols of author L. Frank Baum's belief that the people - not the big banks -- should control the quantity of a nation's money."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SHiQMQYTtrw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SHiQM...ayer_embedded#!

[giovonni]

i agree with Ben's assessment on this... and would hope someone in Congress (perhaps Ron Paul) would lead the nation in closing his fed banks - real soon !
________________________________________________________

From Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke

"I do not expect the long-run growth potential of the U.S. economy to be materially affected by the crisis and the recession if — and I stress if — our country takes the necessary steps to secure that outcome..."

Fed's Bernanke says it's up to Congress to boost the economy
By Peter Schroeder - 08/26/11 10:29 AM ET

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did not announce any new measures to stimulate the economy in a highly anticipated speech on Friday, instead saying it's up to Washington to deal with the nation's flagging growth.. read more - http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...-boost-economy

[kathymarie]

Maybe it's time to give piss a chance....

Posted by The One (here)
yep im afraid they all piss in the same pot

Non of them are for the people.Lie lie and more lies.

[robinr1]

hmmmmm...seeing a slight problem here. i ask if u are politcally active u say yes u are....then the next words right out the gate are to stop
participating in the system?

which is it.......are u politcally active and dont see it as a waste..........or should we all stop participating in the system?

honestly wondering bc both cant be.

Posted by Spiralmind (here)

Posted by robinr1 (here)
compared to obama the gigantic war mongerer....and the bomb all the brown people for decades neo cons ....yes i would say that ron paul is head and shouders above the rest.


spiralmind......im venturing a guess u arent politically active and think its all a waste?

and if im incorrect what would u recommend politically active americans do to try and change the political culture in america?

thank you

robin

You would be incorrect. My suggestion would be to simply stop participating in the system. Take your money out of the big banks, don't go to work, starve the system.
Listen, let's assume RP is elected to office and has all good intentions to turn things around. How much do you really think he will be able to accomplish? The political system is so corrupted and corporate controlled that he wouldn't get very far.

Starving an already crippled system won't take long to break it down, and it has the virtue of being non-violent. A website maybe to use as a starting point:

http://www.unitedwestrike.com/

Oh, and start getting angry.

[TargeT]

Posted by risveglio (here)
Considering at least 90% of everything Congress has done in the last 40 years has been harmful, doing nothing would be an improvement. But if we are going with the hypothetical that he wins, chances are there would be a lot more small government types winning seats in the house and the senate. Maybe even some GOOOH candidates. And there is nothing hypocritical about using exec orders to remove other executive orders and then having an executive order to remove the ability of a president to create an executive order, which would do wonders for our liberty.

I would have agreed with you untill the most recent crop of "tea party" candidates that swept congress & changed the control over voted FOR the patriot act to be renewed... THOSE are the types of candidates you would get (and who wants those? we already have an obama, don't need any more)

Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
You know, just getting his ideas out in the mainstream is enough of an accomplishment for our side.

I am tired of filling in the blanks in people's understanding before I can argue with them.

People need to know what is going on and Ron Paul is well down that road.

I can't disagree, RP was a stepping stone for me, and in that he did an EXCELENT JOB!

I am simply pointing out he's nothing more than that, don't externilize your power and hope for a savior, YOU ARE the savior.