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    Default The Greatest Plot Against the 'Ron Paul' Camp To Date..!

    Who ‘Really’ Is this Bruce Fein?

    Tuesday, 30. August 2011

    Article written by Sibel Edmonds

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” - Marcus Tullius Cicero



    Last week, right after publishing my article on Congresswoman Schmidt and Bruce Fein’s brilliant foreign lobby money rechanneling-laundering scheme, and to my shock, I found out about this:

    Quote The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign announced today that constitutional and international law expert Bruce Fein will join the campaign as senior advisor on legal matters.

    “Bruce Fein’s participation adds to our campaign’s already intellectual heft, enabling us to more broadly engage the conversation about constitutionality, civil liberties and the dangers to national security of an increasingly interventionist foreign policy,” said Ron Paul 2012 Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton.
    While some at Rep. Paul’s Camp were busy celebrating and cheering the announcement as a brilliant strategic move, I was frantically gathering cases and research notes, corresponding with current and former colleagues from the intelligence community who had come to support Rep. Paul, and communicating with a few friends with Rep. Paul’s Campaign who were equally troubled by this development.

    I understand the ‘cheering’ side of Paul’s camp as they have been excited and impressed by the in- writing-and-words-only side of Bruce Fein. Not so different than those who were fired up and sold on the in-words-only rhetoric and promises staged by President Obama. The Constitutional Scholar Fein and the Constitutional Expert Obama. A Great Penman Fein and the Great Orator Obama…and of course the contradicting realities and the contradicting facts.

    However, in this case, there are already too many established facts and too much history on Mr. Fein, and way too many rational and realistic people among Paul supporters to ring the alarm bells and counter this great threat before it’s too late.

    I will go as far as calling the penetration of the Ron Paul camp by Bruce Feinthe greatest threat to Paul’s camp to date,’ and will make a solid case for this characterization based on glaring and alarming facts; facts and concerns shared by several loyal Paul advisors today.

    Who is the real Bruce Fein?

    Why there are so many different versions of Fein – one contradicting the other? How do his real actions and intimate associations stand in stark contrast to Ron Paul? What is the most likely plot in planting Mr. Fein within Paul’s campaign?

    Foreign Lobby & Influence Peddling

    Ron Paul has been consistent and exemplary in his strongly held principles on the Foreign lobby and influence peddling; a rarity in the US Congress. He has displayed intense disdain for foreign lobbying and foreign influence. He even considers congressional ‘junkets’ as another means to be compromised: stressing that he would not travel abroad on agenda-driven foreigners’ dime: “I just think it’s unnecessary for congressmen to travel overseas, and the people in our district were on my side,” he said in an interview. “You don’t need to go to Bosnia to understand we have no business there.”

    With Bruce Fein you have exactly the opposite stand. He has been a crusty foreign lobbyist making millions of dollars peddling his foreign bosses’ interests and influence in Congress and government agencies. For Fein it has never mattered who the foreign client or what their agenda. He does not care whether his foreign clients are criminals or terrorists or dictators. As long as they pay him handsomely he’ll sell their agenda and interest no matter what they may be. The words ‘principle’ or ‘taking a stand’ have never entered this foreign lobbyist’s dictionary or comprehension:

    One minute, on behalf of one set of his foreign designated ‘terrorist’ bosses, Bruce Fein is busy selling the need for a genocide declaration by the US Congress against one nation:

    Quote “For the past year I have written about Bruce Fein in many articles that have been widely published and circulated. He is reportedly paid $100,000 per month to tell lies in Washington about the Government of Sri Lanka… Who are the American individuals backing this group? Where are they getting their money to pay Bruce Fein? Does former US Ambassador Blake have something to do with them…”
    The next minute, on behalf of another well-known foreign mob boss, Bruce Fein is busy peddling influence and selling Congress his foreign bosses’ anti-genocide agenda:



    Quote “In 2007, Ayasli transferred $30 million in stock to fund a new endeavor, the nonprofit Turkish Coalition of America. The organization is headquartered in a Washington suite that has also been listed as the address for the Turkish Coalition USA PAC, the lobbying firm of Lydia Borland (who has represented the Turkish government), and the law firm of Bruce Fein and Associates (Fein comprises half of the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund)…”

    “materials put out by the Turkish Coalition of America and authored by a lawyer, Bruce Fein, who now represents Schmidt in the complaint, say that Congresswoman Schmidt has on numerous occasions voiced her opposition to such resolutions and maintains that the historical question is not appropriate for Congress to legislate. The congresswoman, based on her independent research, does not believe the tragic events constitute genocide…”
    Bruce Fein sees no problem with representing foreign groups like this:

    Quote Fein hit the jackpot in 1991 when he signed on to represent Mozambique’s notorious guerrilla army, RENAMO, which was seeking to overthrow its country’s leftist government. When Fein came on board, RENAMO’s reputation has hit bottom…


    Even the Reagan and Bush administrations kept their distance from RENAMO, despite their anti-Communist rhetoric…


    Fein, however, eagerly signed up to flack for Dhlakama’s terror army. Like most foreign lobbyists, he bilked his client for huge sums of money while performing virtually no work.
    Mr. Fine, who now fakes and preaches non-interventionism and anti-influence peddling only to echo Ron Paul, in real life has been practicing the exact opposite:

    Quote “Now, Fein has returned to lobbying and is working for a client that has the dubious distinction of making RENAMO look good: The Sudan. That country’s government is barred from receiving U.S. foreign aid because of its support for terrorism and because of its revolting human rights record. Amnesty International reports that the Sudanese government not only assassinates and tortures its “enemies,” but that paramilitary forces have kidnapped scores of children, who are believed to be held in domestic slavery by their abductors or taken to camps in remote rural areas, where they are trained for military service”
    Here is another on-the-spot description of Real Bruce Fein as a crusty “Beltway Prostitute”:

    Quote Well, well, well. Wasn’t Bruce Fein just recently condemning the Government of Sri Lanka for trying to put an end to the LTTE? But this time he’s defending a sovereign government for protecting itself – rather than slandering it using falsehoods. Now you see what I mean when I earlier referred to Mr. Fein as a “Beltway prostitute.” He will accept money from anyone who can pay the price – regardless of where that money came from, or who his legal and public relations services might unjustly hurt. What an embarrassment to the US legal profession.”
    You see, for Mr. Fein pimping the Congress on behalf of foreign clients is about dollars. Nothing more; nothing less. Whether it is advocating additional foreign aid for one country while our nation is being bankrupted, or dragging our Congress to get involved with domestic meddling and the affairs of another foreign country, Bruce Fein has never been about the United States’ interests; just the opposite. Give Fein the dollars and he’ll sign up to lobby for any one: terrorists, corrupt foreign governments, mobsters, assassins …

    Long pocketed as a ‘lobbyist’ by Pakistan, Sudan, Turkey, Tamil, and others, Bruce Fein is the exact antithesis to Ron Paul’s principled position on issues related to foreign lobby, corruption and influence peddling in government.

    Overt Neocon Ties & Covert Israel Pedigree

    Ron Paul has been in staunch opposition and a counter to Neocon agendas and field players. Whether on the Israel lobby and agenda driving the hawkish currents in our nation today, or the corporate war machine interests guiding our foreign policy practices, Paul has consistently stood firm and unrelenting.

    Mr. Fein’s public pedigree makes it fairly easy to spot his overt ties and links. For example: he has been an adjunct scholar with the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). By now I think the majority of Americans know about AEI’s claim to fame:

    Quote “AEI is the most prominent think tank associated with American neoconservatism, in both the domestic and international policy arenas.[10] Irving Kristol, widely considered a father of neoconservatism, is a senior fellow at AEI, and many prominent neoconservatives—including Jeane Kirkpatrick, Ben Wattenberg, and Joshua Muravchik—spent the bulk of their careers at AEI.”
    A well-known couple of facts about AEI:

    Quote 1- In order to be accepted by AEI, to become one of their scholars, proven neoconservative inklings and ties are the never-waivered prerequisites.

    2- AEI seeks candidates who put Loyalty and Allegiance to Israel above all.

    John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt state in their controversial bestseller, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, that the tone of the right-leaning component of the Israel lobby results from the influence of the leaders of the two top lobby groups: AIPAC, and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. They go on to list, as right-leaning think tanks associated with the lobby, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and the American Enterprise Institute.
    Acceptance to the tightly knitted and guarded AEI Neocon community also extends to family members and religious affiliations. Bruce Fein has passed both litmus tests in becoming a highly-regarded member of AEI. His wife, Mattie Fein, has been a vocal hawk, neocon propaganda distributor, and a very familiar face within the Beltway neocon community:

    Quote In 2007, Fein penned an opinion piece in the Washington Times calling on the United States to pledge military support to Iranian dissidents in the event of an uprising. Fein, whose father is of Iranian descent, was identified in the piece as the founder and president of the Institute for Persian Studies.
    While Fein’s AEI and neocon connections and strong ties are overtly stated, his loyalties and allegiance to Israel and the Israel lobby are not; that is, until you start digging. A former AEI member who now works as a congressional aid stated, ‘Bruce Fein was liked and trusted there as ‘one of them,’ a real Jewish man loyal to Israel and its interests.’

    Quote Fein has been successful in playing both sides of this field, and keeping his Israel related activities and ties mainly covert. However, in 2010, Fein’s wife, Mattie Fein, began expressing the couple’s views on Israel and Israel’s interests less covertly. Some attribute that to Mattie Fein’s desperate need and her fierce competition with Harman over Israel lobby dollars. Here is Mattie’s response to the test question by the Zionist community:

    7. Would you support Israel taking military action to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons? Under what circumstances?

    The United States should support whatever Israel believes is justified by national security worries over Iran.
    And here is Bruce Fein’s buddy from AEI, the scandalous John Bolton, who’s been backing the Fein couple including Mattie Fein’s fundraising and campaign:



    Quote I was privy to some of the logistics involved in setting up the fundraiser that Bolton held for Mattie’s campaign. It amazed me how quickly some establishment Republicans tried to steal the thunder of Bolton’s appearance through various subterfuges and poaching, and it is a credit to the man’s character and timber that he refused to be a part of it. He was there to endorse Mattie Fein against Jane Harman, and he wouldn’t let third parties screw that up.
    Mattie Fein’s established Neocon pedigree, her hawkish propaganda and activities nicely echoes Bolton’s own. Some liken the relationship to mentor-protégé dynamics that began with the marriage to Fein and entry into the AEI circle.

    The Question of Ethics …or Lack of

    Even Ron Paul’s foes would admit that he has been a man of principle throughout his life; both inside and outside his congressional career. Those who may disagree with his political platform and stand would acknowledge his adherence to ethical practices, whether in his personal-family life or career.



    Quote In a statement released on August 5, the House Ethics Committee ruled that Rep Jean Schmidt has received multiple improper gifts totaling $500,000 from the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA) between 2008 and 2010. The Committee ruled that Schmidt must pay the money back, However, she will not face sanctions by the House as she was able to pin the blame for her behavior on her attorneys Bruce Fein and David Saltzman
    You can read the full report by the House Ethics Committee here. It remains to be seen whether anyone will go after Bruce Fein and his license for this highly scandalous case and ethics violations. His two possible explanations for this case would be: 1- I did not tell my client that my legal representation of her case was part of foreign lobby money funneling to her; 2- My client was fully aware of the foreign lobby bribery nature of my legal representation and services, but to protect her and my foreign bosses I took the blame. Under either explanation one glaring point remains clear, and that is the lack of ethics on behalf of the involved attorney-Bruce Fein. On the other hand, Mr. Fein appears to have had practice in riding ethics related scandals and waves. At least in the scandalous ethic violations case involving Bruce Fein and his partner Ephraim Chukwuemeka Ugwuonye, Esq.

    I started with that famous quote from Marcus Tullius Cicero because it applies to this report and the plots delivered from within. When it comes to Ron Paul’s Campaign no one would ever have to worry about known snakes and neocons like Paul Wolfowitz or Richard Perle. The enemy sent to you will be one who talks just like you; speaks your words and shouts your slogans. And does so very convincingly.

    I have tried to be brief with carefully and well-sourced facts and cases to provide a factual profile for the real Bruce Fein. Considering the facts and who Mr. Fein is, and has been, why would he methodically go about attaching himself to Ron Paul and his campaign? After consulting with several well-respected and trust-worthy sources, the troubling answer was summed up in two possibilities:

    Quote 1- This is a commonly used ploy by the establishment to penetrate Ron Paul and his camp which has been gaining momentum. This is where the plant carries inside information and strategic plans to the establishment, and simultaneously tries to exert negative influence over decision making and strategy-setting processes.

    2- The plant willingly and knowingly becomes the fall-guy bringing down the target candidate. Highly damaging and scandalous information about the plant would be strategically released to the media-public, and the candidate suffers the ultimate consequences.
    Personally I am leaning more towards the second possibility and here is why:



    I was privy to the extensive rap sheet maintained on Mr. Fein, his foreign mob bosses and their operations at J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI. Mr. Fein is well aware of this rap sheet and the FBI’s long-maintained operations. I know with certainty that if released by the FBI, whether partially or completely, it would be used as ongoing front-page headlines by the media, to bring down the entire Paul campaign before the primaries.

    Ron Paul already has a highly-respected constitutional scholar who is articulate, eloquent, passionate, and most importantly, trust-worthy, clean, and from outside the poisonous capital beltway. That person is Tom Woods. Paul does not need this man Fein. He does not need this glitzy-oily foreign lobbyist who stands in total contrast to Paul’s platform.

    I like Ron Paul. I support his stand on foreign policy related matters and his objectives on what need to be changed. I applaud Paul’s stand on our liberties, and I back his quest for a much smaller government. I have done so for years. Please don’t let the establishment succeed in their plot. Bruce Fein is the greatest threat to Paul’s movement to date. He would be a stain – a taint; not one easily removed after the fact. Please begin the countdown, and have Ron Paul remove this man from the campaign as a trusted advisor and insider. Let the countdown begin today; at this hour -at this very minute. Before it is too late.

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    PS - WTF? I have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, but if what she says is True? It is of great concern to Ron Paul.

    I am in Ron Pauls corner and support him 110%!

    In the name of Truth was the only reason I posted this, in the hope some of our American Avalonians may be able to shed some more light on this story 'Or' at the very least contact Ron Paul's Campaign Office and demand some answers!
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    I think they are under a spell. A sleeping spell.

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    Let's hope that the Ron Paul camp is smarter than that....And if Ron Paul is not different from the rest of the criminals then the truth SHOULD come out NOW, so that we can see him for what he is. Maybe we've been had on this front, too.... I certainly liked what he was saying. He seemed like the type of leader I wanted for this country....However, we all should watch closely to what is going on now and it'll be very telling.....Maybe all he's doing is talking out of the side of his mouth. Telling people what they WANT to hear? Didn't Obama do the same with all of his promises? See what a mess we're in now? Maybe this is our country's final blow....and it won't matter WHO'S the leader....Sad....
    After all the lies, deceit, theft and murders, I say I'd rather hear the truth no matter how much it hurts to hear. AS LONG AS IT'S THE TRUTH....! We'll be able to make better decisions that way....
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    The USA has to take back the media NOW. Kick out those infliltrators who seek to control the minds of the people. You have Zionists princesses telling the masses on talk TV that Ron Paul is unelectable. When did TV show talk hosts have the right to be involved in politics and give opinions that are biased. England have kicked out Murdoch, Australia is following suit NOW IT THE TIME FOR THE USA to do the same. Cancel their Licenses. KICK THEM OUT NOW.

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    See that's why Ron Paul has to completely disassociate himself with Republicans who have crooked moles who sink, or do harm to our democracy. If he ran as a Libertarian, he would have enough votes from diseffected republicans who want us out of the war. Mainly his supporters and right leaning independents.

    Republican banner is MUDD now and they will jump on the band wagon of what's left of the people's candidates and plant themselves for a different message. Ergo Ron Paul wants our of war, this guy wants to expand and still rape the countries of their "valued resources" for their own, so their same greedy markets of owning it all, can continue. The campaign must tell Ron Paul this guy has to go and demand he not create ties with warmongers in sheep's clothing.

    WE told Senator Obama who we wanted for VP, NOT the other way around. WE kept his campaign clean and open with all the donors listed for the Board of elections. WE must continue to demand they keep their campaigns free of corporate sellouts, because in case you didn't know, there are very few products made here where there is a demand, for this reason.

    Wake up Paul supporters and protect your candidate from influence peddlers or he will not be taken seriously, again.
    We like a good clean election, it gives us something to vote for. Good candidates are few and very far between in the Teapublican Party of NO. Dr. Ron Paul is a doctor and cares about Seniors and does not want to lock up people because they smoke pot.

    Been like that for years. He also believes in trade schools and closing our border which puts a strain on our now needed systems.
    Just saying if you can't lead clean for your campaign, then you won't lead clean in the White House.

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    Greetings
    Have supported and or voted for Dr Paul for thirty years....he's a brave man and he knows what's happening to US and the world...
    However... US citizens are bombarded with soundbites from MSM that distort reality...every 20 minutes...the same subjective rhetoric...repeated over and over....24/7....they haven't the faintest idea what the truth is...nor can they discern the truth...because they never hear it.......just the fearmongering...hate and fear...no objective 'good news' allowed. Period.
    It's a pity what's happened here since the 2000 elections....(selections)....and, though it goes back 40 years previous...(when rogues took over America....with 3 gunshots....) what has transpired in the last 10 years or so is unconsciounable . Regular folks on the street have no clue anymore....ask them about chemical trails in the sky....visible right over their heads for 10 years now...and the "never heard of them" !!! Ask anyone on the street to recite any one of their constitutional amendments...all they know is the right to bear arms....ask who they think will make the best president next election... and they respond that they 'never vote'....or they say some TV evangelist...who demands apocalypse...'cause 'it is written' !
    No matter what the few of us who can still remember what being an American used to mean, the average person on the street only knows what they heard on fox,abcbsnbcnn....and no one questions what's being said...if you do...you are denigrated or condemned as a conspiracy nut....it's the saddest state of affairs imaginable...and truthseekers ...what few of us there are...must accept the undenialable but obvious reality....
    You can't wake up the dead. You can't make the blind see. You can only know what you know... pray for the best...prepare for the worst..and stay out of the line of fire !Blessings.

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    Quote Posted by robinr1 (here)
    hmmmmm...seeing a slight problem here. i ask if u are politcally active u say yes u are....then the next words right out the gate are to stop
    participating in the system?

    which is it.......are u politcally active and dont see it as a waste..........or should we all stop participating in the system?

    honestly wondering bc both cant be.




    Quote Posted by Spiralmind (here)
    Quote Posted by robinr1 (here)
    compared to obama the gigantic war mongerer....and the bomb all the brown people for decades neo cons ....yes i would say that ron paul is head and shouders above the rest.


    spiralmind......im venturing a guess u arent politically active and think its all a waste?

    and if im incorrect what would u recommend politically active americans do to try and change the political culture in america?

    thank you

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    You would be incorrect. My suggestion would be to simply stop participating in the system. Take your money out of the big banks, don't go to work, starve the system.
    Listen, let's assume RP is elected to office and has all good intentions to turn things around. How much do you really think he will be able to accomplish? The political system is so corrupted and corporate controlled that he wouldn't get very far.

    Starving an already crippled system won't take long to break it down, and it has the virtue of being non-violent. A website maybe to use as a starting point:

    http://www.unitedwestrike.com/

    Oh, and start getting angry.

    I believe I have already answered that question very clearly. I fail to see what being politically active has to do with my solution. Perhaps my political activities helped me come to my conclusions..... In any event, my opinion still stands.

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    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    PS - WTF? I have never heard of Sibel Edmonds, but if what she says is True? It is of great concern to Ron Paul.

    I am in Ron Pauls corner and support him 110%!

    In the name of Truth was the only reason I posted this, in the hope some of our American Avalonians may be able to shed some more light on this story 'Or' at the very least contact Ron Paul's Campaign Office and demand some answers!
    Just wondering if anyone of our American Avalonians have followed this up with Ron Pauls campaign office yet?

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    PS - You bloody beauty Ron Paul, if the MSM won't help, at least your making the Criminals Accountable on National TV..!

    Keep Em Coming..!

    Ron Paul is going to 'Knockout' Texas Rick Perry & the crowd applauds
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    Ron Paul...He's got my vote, and Jesse Ventura as V.P., or vice versa.
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    The info in that lifenews article is basically:
    "In a new statement about his pro-life views, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul said he would sign a ban on taxpayer funding of the Planned Parenthood abortion business if elected president."
    He has never been in favor of a women's fundamental right to choose, and as a woman, I cannot agree.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    The info in that lifenews article is basically:
    "In a new statement about his pro-life views, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul said he would sign a ban on taxpayer funding of the Planned Parenthood abortion business if elected president."
    He has never been in favor of a women's fundamental right to choose, and as a woman, I cannot agree.
    By the way I agree with a "women's fundamental right to choose" especially a child spawned after a rape..!

    Having said that is 1 thing going to prevent anyone from voting for Ron Paul.

    From my understanding most of the 'Bought & Paid For' Globalist Puppet Candidates are Pro-Lifers aswell..?

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    Jack,

    Thanks for all the information you gather and post.

    I agree that a woman should continue to have the right to choose. However, I feel strongly that taxpayer money should not be used for abortions. I know that leaves some poor women in a bad spot, but there it is.

    I would question the ability of any candidate to win a general election in the U.S. unless he/she supported the right to choose.

    Junebug

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    Default Re: Ron Paul gives 'Stiff Uppercut' to Rick Perry & Al Gore in New Ad..!

    I believe abortion has no business in the federal public debate. Another clear divide and conquer. Our leaders will never be able to take away a woman's right to choose.
    It is a safe medical procedure and if anything it would be given back to the states. I hate to see others making such a big deal of pro-life versus pro- choice and voting for the candidate that shares their views on this single issue.

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    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09...till-ron-paul/

    I don't want to poop on anybody's parade but the article here is an important one to read. This is the second time I have had the weasel, Bruce Fein, brought to my attention regarding Ron Paul. This is an obvious fox in the henhouse. This is like Tim Geithner or Larry Summers in Obama's administration. A clear bellweather of what may come. Unless Ron Paul dumps this roach in the next few days he should be held as having a funny smell to him. The kind of odor that informs one to proceed with caution and discernment. After Obama I have my doubts about any man or woman who gets to live when running for the highest office. Things in our system are far worse than it is comfortable to work with, day to day.

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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09...till-ron-paul/

    I don't want to poop on anybody's parade but the article here is an important one to read. This is the second time I have had the weasel, Bruce Fein, brought to my attention regarding Ron Paul. This is an obvious fox in the henhouse. This is like Tim Geithner or Larry Summers in Obama's administration. A clear bellweather of what may come. Unless Ron Paul dumps this roach in the next few days he should be held as having a funny smell to him. The kind of odor that informs one to proceed with caution and discernment. After Obama I have my doubts about any man or woman who gets to live when running for the highest office. Things in our system are far worse than it is comfortable to work with, day to day.
    Know what you are saying Modwiz,

    Here is the Thread I started a couple of days ago...

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...678#post300678

    However I still Trust Ron Paul and support him 110%...

    I have sent this info to Alex Jones, but I have'nt heard Alex address this on his show as yet...

    Ron Paul deserves to be given the 'Benefit of the Doubt' until proven otherwise.

    But this issue won't go away until it has been publically scrutinised...

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    What's so wonderful about this ad? It sounds like the same ol' to me.

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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    The info in that lifenews article is basically:
    "In a new statement about his pro-life views, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul said he would sign a ban on taxpayer funding of the Planned Parenthood abortion business if elected president."
    He has never been in favor of a women's fundamental right to choose, and as a woman, I cannot agree.
    Planned Parenthood is a eugenics organization, its activities are laid out in Endgame pretty extensively.

    I might be a hypocrite, because I'm not a woman, but what about the children's rights? If, for some reason, you really cannot take care of a child or don't want to, I don't judge you, you could just give it away. In foster care they are more likely to get abused, drugged or even used as guinea-pigs, but at least they don't get killed. Also having an abortion highly raises the risk of developing breast cancer.

    Pro choice sounds reasonable, but what choice is it? The choice to kill. I don't really see a difference between having an abortion and killing a child, that is already walking on the earth.

    I give you that, maybe if it is done immediately after conception, it is ok, there is no soul in there yet, but I can see how pregnant women, that don't have a perceivable big belly yet, that indicates they are pregnant, carry around with them a baby with a soul in them, for the aura-color at their belly clearly indicates that. I cannot tell you at what month this usually happens, because I don't know that, anyways it's a very delicate issue.

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