The end of the Mayan calendar and the splitting of the "two earths" explained

[Carmen]

Hmm, with Bill's latest post I get the feeling he had a wee romance with the spiritual and has now shaken it off and reverted back to his intellectual, rational mindset!!! May be wrong and he may well be insulted by my assessment, but ah well, each to their own. Its his forum after all. Time will definitely tell with what is about to happen, and soon!

[The Truth Is In There]

ok, as mentioned before, there's a lot of confusion about the whole 2012 issue, about ascension and the precessional cycle. what needs to be realized is that both are two different things, two cycles and both end during the time period we're living in now.

the people who talk about 2012 and the precession of the equinoxes use the term "ascension" but that's not really what this is about, at least not in the sense of "dimensional upwards movement" (for want of a better term).

the real "ascension" is the expansion of consciousness (or "awareness") into infinity, as i have described in the first post. this is marked by the mayan calendar as explained by carl johan calleman and the date infinity is reached will be on november 9th, 2011 (as pointed out by nearing and myself in the previous posts).

what happens at that point is that those souls who are ready to exit this 3d reality will leave the 3rd dimension and enter the 5th, either directly or, if they have things to learn (or unfinished business) in the 4th dimension they'll spend a while there before going on to the 5th dimension. others will go directly to the 5th.

so, what's the difference between that and the precessional cycle and 2012?

the precessional cycle is not like a wave that stretches into infinity in both directions like the great cycle which, for simplicity's sake, is said to be 16.4 billion years long. that's not quite correct since there's no end at that point either. 16.4bn years can be multiplied by 20 and the result again by 20 and so on, into infinity. remember, consciousness is infinite and eternal. but these are cycles which are not important to us here and now.

anyway, the precessional cycle on the other hand is like a ring, it repeats itself again and again.



we see there's an ascending half and a descending half, too, but what's important to note is that all of this happens in the 3rd dimension!

"ascension" as in "going up to higher dimensions" is like an exit from the precessional cycle. it is what a few enlightened beings managed to do with a lot of effort in the past, but that was not available effortlessly to the masses as it is now. it's a one-time chance to get out of here easily, a chance that will not come again for a very long time.

so why isn't the precessional cycle about ascension if consciousness "ascends" in the left half of the cycle? (see image above)

because it all happens in the 3rd dimension, even the period of expanded consciousness. the people may live hundreds of years by using the power of the philosopher's stone or of their minds, they may have fantastic psychic abilities and unbelievable technology, but they're still bound by the laws of the 3rd dimension and, most importantly, the precessional cycles.

thus all of this is limited by time and matter. remember, the people of atlantis were highly evolved and still atlantis was destroyed and all over the world people had to start again from scratch.

so what people really refer to when they talk about the "2012 ascension" and the precession of the equinoxes is this 3rd dimensional cycle. all dimensions have overtones and so the golden age is just a higher overtone than the iron age but it's still 3rd dimensional.

when we understand this we also have an explanation for what inelia describes as a "gradual" process of ascension. it's the ascension into higher overtones of the 3rd dimension. those souls who remain here in the 3rd dimension will eventually experience that, but they'll still be in the precessional cycle while those who ascended have exited this cycle.

now, the following may be somewhat reassuring to those who worry about themselves or loved ones missing ascension and the prospect of having to live on a "descending earth".

that "descending earth" is still bound by the laws that govern the precessional cycle and won't descend forever. what that means is that after a period of "darkness" after all the ascended souls have left ("7 years of tribulation") the awareness of the remaining population will slowly be raised again and they'll eventually reach another "golden age". depending on the timeline this whole process will be experienced differently by each soul. for some the pendle will swing more strongly than for others, so to speak.

in the first post i've spoken about one timeline now and two after the split. that was for simplicity's sake. of course there's an infinite amount of timelines before the split and after the split. but the split itself happens on every timeline. those who do not ascend will enter a certain 3rd dimensional timeline after the split, the one that is best for their development, and this timeline can be either more or less disastrous in terms of earth changes, ww3 and so on. but all of them are governed by the precessional cycle and even if souls have to stay in the 3rd dimension, they may well experience only minor earth changes or hardly any "negativity" at all if that is what they need for their growth.

this explains the differences between what people have seen who, through whatever means, looked into the future. they all watched from a 3rd dimensional perspective so what they saw was also a 3rd dimensional perspective. all that has been predicted happens in various 3rd dimensional timelines after the split, the "good" stuff as well as the "bad" stuff. and those who talk about a "golden age" on earth talk about the next golden age in the 3rd dimension.

[SkepticSoul]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Hmm, with Bill's latest post I get the feeling he had a wee romance with the spiritual and has now shaken it off and reverted back to his intellectual, rational mindset!!! May be wrong and he may well be insulted by my assessment, but ah well, each to their own. Its his forum after all. Time will definitely tell with what is about to happen, and soon!

I get that exact same vibe! wtf...

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by SkepticSoul (here)

Posted by Carmen (here)
Hmm, with Bill's latest post I get the feeling he had a wee romance with the spiritual and has now shaken it off and reverted back to his intellectual, rational mindset!!! May be wrong and he may well be insulted by my assessment, but ah well, each to their own. Its his forum after all. Time will definitely tell with what is about to happen, and soon!

I get that exact same vibe! wtf...

yes, it's called "denial"

[KosmicKat]

Posted by risveglio (here)
Interesting stuff but where in the bible does it say people will be "raptured". From what I have read the rapture was pretty much invented by Scotish woman in the 1830's that had visions of the return of Jesus in 1844. Since he did not return in 1844, I don't know why we put any faith into this idea of the rapture.

To summarize quickly:

• The (King James authorized) Bible never uses the term "Rapture"
• In Thessalonians ch.4, Paul explains how at the second coming of Jesus, the dead believers will be resurrected first, then believers that remain alive will be "caught up to meet with the Lord in the air"
• Many people relate the words of Jesus in Matthew ch.24, v.36-41, describing people engaging in mundane activities when "the one shall be taken, and the other left"
• In Mark ch.13, v.24 Jesus states that "after that tribulation" ... shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect ..."
• According to Luke ch.21, Jesus said "... there shall be ... Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. ... your redemption draweth nigh."
• The Revelation of St.John the Divine (as opposed to John the gospeller) makes no mention of the "catching up" of the faithful unless I have forgotten something, however it does refer to those who endured tribulation.

n.b. italics used for emphasis, rather than, as in the KJV, to indicate a missing word inserted editorially.

[nearing]

Posted by Carmen (here)
Hmm, with Bill's latest post I get the feeling he had a wee romance with the spiritual and has now shaken it off and reverted back to his intellectual, rational mindset!!! May be wrong and he may well be insulted by my assessment, but ah well, each to their own. Its his forum after all. Time will definitely tell with what is about to happen, and soon!

I do sense a tone of anger or heartbreak there as well. Which is understandable but why take it out on us who have been here all along trying to make our way along a confusing path? Yes, it's his forum, I understand, but this is a forum of many people with all kinds of thoughts and ideas. Why not let those ideas play out naturally instead of trying to stick a dam in the river?

I say that defeats the purpose of the forum in the first place. But hey, I am just a member of this community, no one important.

[joedjemal]

I didn't read Bills post as giving up on spirituality, I just don't think he sees what's coming as an obvious physical event, rather as a shift in perception. My own experiences that I mention later in that thread suggest to me that our awareness will separate into seperate parallel realities but that to all intents and purposes the worlds will, at first look the same. It's just that things will start improving in one and deteriorating in the other. But I have no real knowledge of this.

I know that i've achieved a way of perceiving things that appears to allow me to shift between different parallel realities. I couldn't prove it because this is an internal thing. Perhaps those that ascend will simply be able to choose low probability timelines that producd the kind of world they want. The fact that consciousness can alter the probability of events occuring is proven every time the global consciousness dot goes into coherence. I've played with random number generators myself and watched it happening. The first time I did it was when I wrote a basic program in the late 70's or early 80's on a zx81

He perhaps suspects that nothing apparent will happen whereas the truth will be that it has.

I experienced a powerful feeling of deja vu whilst writing this.

[HORIZONS]

Posted by KosmicKat (here)

Posted by risveglio (here)
Interesting stuff but where in the bible does it say people will be "raptured". From what I have read the rapture was pretty much invented by Scotish woman in the 1830's that had visions of the return of Jesus in 1844. Since he did not return in 1844, I don't know why we put any faith into this idea of the rapture.

To summarize quickly:

• The (King James authorized) Bible never uses the term "Rapture"
• In Thessalonians ch.4, Paul explains how at the second coming of Jesus, the dead believers will be resurrected first, then believers that remain alive will be "caught up to meet with the Lord in the air"
• Many people relate the words of Jesus in Matthew ch.24, v.36-41, describing people engaging in mundane activities when "the one shall be taken, and the other left"
• In Mark ch.13, v.24 Jesus states that "after that tribulation" ... shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect ..."
• According to Luke ch.21, Jesus said "... there shall be ... Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. ... your redemption draweth nigh."
• The Revelation of St.John the Divine (as opposed to John the gospeller) makes no mention of the "catching up" of the faithful unless I have forgotten something, however it does refer to those who endured tribulation.

n.b. italics used for emphasis, rather than, as in the KJV, to indicate a missing word inserted editorially.

For another biblical point of view~

The word "rapture" cannot be found in the Bible, although its synonym "caught up" does. When the Bible speaks of being "caught up" it is not speaking in terms of being taken miles or light years away. "The word used in the Greek New Testament is HARPAZO. Its literal meaning is "to take something or someone firmly, quickly, or rapaciously." It is a derivative of HAIREOMAI whose meaning is "to take for oneself." It conveys the idea of an act quickly done by someone of great skill and strength - thus, TO SEIZE." My Concordant Literal Concordance says, "seize with a sudden grasp," in other words "GRIPPED."
http://www.cswnet.com/~rmorton/caughtup.html

[Catsquotl]

Strange but over the last few days I get the feeling that it has become less urgent to think to much about all the tunnels down the rabbit hole.
Also the feeling I had for many many months of urgency seems to have dissapated a bit.

I can come up with a few explanations, from the split did happen and TBTW have lost their ability to imose the nearing doom feeling.
Or TBTAre found a new way to shush us back to sleep.

All in all its like many have said here.. We'll just have to wait and see...
That said. What if...
We really have the power to shape our experiences as a collective
Not just a human collective,but as a planetary collective, including all that is alive.. from the waters and rocks to the unseen forces that help shape this world..
That means we can make the changes happen in 3 generations or 3 months.. Maybe we as a collective have even let Elenin disintegrate.
Who Knows....

Now if only I could become conscious of this collective.....

With Love
Eelco

[greybeard]

David Sereda an astrophysicist was asked on the Coast to Coast am program if he would be surprised if nothing happened 2012 end of Maya Calender.
He said he would be absolutely amazed if nothing happened.
Now that was in the context of the end of the calender being Dec 2012 but it was accepted it could happen ealier
There is a lot of evidence coming from the likes of David Wilcock -- appreciate him or not.
Also an interview of Marcel Messing by Bill
Messing is quite clear about the future--- dont start anything big.

Its important to have rational discussions about these subjects, after all it is our future


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ull=1#post1513

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc

I have posted the audio before but will do so again for people who have not heard him.

[Carmen]

Thank you Greybeard. This info from the elder David talked about is right in line with what I have learned. As I have stated in another thread, I enjoy gathering info from many sources and the information gradually coaleses into truths that resonate within me. In other words truth is backed up from within. Not in a black and white way, but sort of settles in as a probability. I try to keep open minded about everything and just allow truth to happen.

Maybe we should look again at prophecies and legends that talk about the son of man. Maybe its the SUN of man. After all, it is the life Giver that we are dependent on.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by joedjemal (here)
I didn't read Bills post as giving up on spirituality

No, Bill is as spiritual as he ever was.

Spirituality and rationality are not mutually exclusive.

[Carmen]

Point taken Bill, you are rationally spiritual. I respect you as a grounding influence here, but from what I have gleaned of the information external and internal something dramatic and different is happening now. We are being given very direct and powerful knowledge of change. We have free choice whether to go with the changes or elect to stay in the fear based paradigm. This time is a time of choice, but at some point in the next year and a bit we will be firmly in one camp or the other. When the final change comes it will be in "the twinkling of an eye", not gradual anymore. So many sources point to this ultimate sudden change. As I have stated before, it will be a fait accompli before we know it. So, time will tell and all the theories will then be direct experience.

Actually, just to add to this post, I looked up the meaning of the word rational and the meanings are 1. related to or based on reason or logic. 2. able to think, form opinions, make judgements etc. 3. sensible, reasonable. 4. sane 5. math of a quantity etc.

So, to my mind, rational would be subjective to everyones perspective and would therefore have a very wide meaning individually.

Would that also follow that whatever one person had not yet experienced would be something totally irrational or outside of their belief system, their particular box/grid.

So, whatever we deem sensible, rational would be something already known, or acceptable to us.

The point being here, is that Avalon, I think, is a place to blow out boxes/grids/limited, already known stuff and to expand our minds to the unknowns, to the what ifs.

Many of the members here have direct experience to something completely irrational or sensible. Ufos, OOb experiences, healings, thoughts manifesting faster and faster. To me the unknown, the invisible is where its at. The void of all potentials. The magical place beyond thought, beyond reason or rationality. I never want to shut that down, its my reason for Being.



I thank you Bill for the opportunity to interact on this forum. It is a marvellous meeting place of information and enquiry.

[ulli]

This may appear off-topic but actually these are thoughts that came about after reading this thread.
Especially Carmen's comments about change.
The real reason for the quickening process is to free us from fixation, in my view. Fixations are based on fear, of having lost a spirit of adventure.
When people are willing to embrace change, learn to go with the flow, they align themselves with the only constant which exists...that of change. The first time I ever came across channeled messages was when I read about Awareness, and in particular this quote:

"This Awareness wishes to inform entities upon this plane, that the universe appears and disappears every four-quadrillionth of a second. That within this brief moment, there is that which entities perceive and experience. That each of these four-quadrillionth of a second intervals contains within itself the eternal now. That entities is moving from one macro-moment to another, carry with them that which they choose to carry from one universal moment to the next. This Awareness indicates that wherein you carry that which is sorrow, carry that which is depressing; wherein you carry that which is fear--that your next moment shall carry with it the fear, depression, and sorrow which could have been left behind in your previous moment."

I was searching mentally for material that I have read which shows that ideas and intent are the cause of manifest reality,
and this is what showed up.
The only time I read channeled material that I found electrifying

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by joedjemal (here)
I didn't read Bills post as giving up on spirituality, I just don't think he sees what's coming as an obvious physical event, rather as a shift in perception. My own experiences that I mention later in that thread suggest to me that our awareness will separate into seperate parallel realities but that to all intents and purposes the worlds will, at first look the same. It's just that things will start improving in one and deteriorating in the other. But I have no real knowledge of this.

I know that i've achieved a way of perceiving things that appears to allow me to shift between different parallel realities. I couldn't prove it because this is an internal thing. Perhaps those that ascend will simply be able to choose low probability timelines that producd the kind of world they want. The fact that consciousness can alter the probability of events occuring is proven every time the global consciousness dot goes into coherence. I've played with random number generators myself and watched it happening. The first time I did it was when I wrote a basic program in the late 70's or early 80's on a zx81

He perhaps suspects that nothing apparent will happen whereas the truth will be that it has.

I experienced a powerful feeling of deja vu whilst writing this.

a shift in perception will bring with it certain physical events. what events that are depends on the decision of the individual of where to shift their point of view.

as i mentioned in the previous post, i believe the "real" ascension to be an exit from the 3rd dimension as opposed to the ascending consciousness within the (3rd dimensional) precessional cycle. those people who don't even realize that there is an exit won't be able to take it.

as you know many of us perceive time as speeding up, more and more singular events happening in shorter and shorter periods of time, but most people on earth do not perceive that. for them nothing unusual is happening, they're completely unaware. so there are some whose awareness does expand and many whose awareness doesn't. they don't know about the exit and so they remain trapped in the precessional cycle, which is 3rd dimensional. they will experience a gradual expansion in consciousness within the 3rd dimension, brought about by the shifting energies of the precessional cycle, but they won't be able to exit this cycle and shift their perception from the 3rd to the 4th or 5th dimension.

rationality plays into this as well and carmen explained it very well. what may be perfectly rational to some may be completely irrational to others. i think we'll all experience something that's completely rational to each of us, but not necessarily to everyone else.

as for "consciousness alterning events", it's not really that way since all these events already exist. we just "shift our perception" to the event we want to experience and so it appears to us as if we alter them. we can't really alter anything since everything has free will but since all possibilities exist we can choose to experience whichever we want.

[ulli]

The "splitting of the two earths" to me sounds totally off.

My take was that the earth had been split into a duality paradigm all along...since eons ago.
My take is that what is happening now is a massive reunification event.
Just look at all of us reading these posts in different parts of the world...
these messages would have taken months to deliver just 60 years ago, dependent where one was living.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by ulli (here)
The "splitting of the two earths" to me sounds totally off.

My take was that the earth had been split into a duality paradigm all along...since eons ago.
My take is that what is happening now is a massive reunification event.
Just look at all of us reading these posts in different parts of the world...
these messages would have taken months to deliver just 60 years ago, dependent where one was living.

you're wrong there, imo. duality doesn't refer to a split eons ago. duality means we experience separation from all-that-is. unity means oneness. oneness can only be experienced by those who choose to experience it, because of free will. since not all of us want to experience it there will have to be a split. those who ascend will once again experience unity with all-that-is, the others will continue their experience of duality. you could say that those who ascend are splitting off from the current way humanity exists on earth, they're taking the exit, as explained before.

[davyj0nes]

To me, this sound like the current evangelical telling of end time events, but with a new age spin. The rapture as it is marketed by TBN and others is unscriptural, and is a great source of fear pr0n too feed a dying institution. No, the "good" people and the "bad" people will be here on earth, one earth.

The mayan calendar according to Calleman ends on October 28. Then the calendar resets itself. No need to add extra 'waves' to the mans work. It could be that whatever expansion of awareness that occurs on 10/28 will last humanity for the next 16.4 billion years as we begin the ascension again on a new pyramid. That of course depends on if Calleman's incremental increase continues into the new calendar, but i have not heard him say either way about it.

The problems on this planet were created by man, and can be solved by man, no one "bad" or "good" is going to escape their responsibility. It is time to stop letting, how bad we think things are, paralyze us into inactivity. We need to wake up, get educated, and move forward.

[araucaria]

I have two analogies for what's possibly going on here, although I have no idea how they might play out in the real world.

One is the refining process. Distillation, of petroleum for instance, boils off different substances of various crudeness at different temperatures to separate them. Collectively, we would be moving from an unrefined state of mixed qualities to separate, more homogenous states, where different properties can be exploited (in the case of petroleum, tarring roads, running cars, aircraft, intricate machinery etc.).

The other that has just occurred to me is the Rubik cube. Like individual cubes, we are all multi-facetted beings, and by collectively reshuffling, we all eventually come together putting out best face(s) forward to match the collective circumstance. By ‘best’, all I mean here is the most appropriate in the given context; obviously red is not better than green, just as kerosene is not ‘better’ that paraffin unless you have a plane to fill up. As multi-facetted beings, those whom we consider evil are merely presenting a facet of their being that is inappropriate to where they are at. We are all in this together and no one can be left out. The principle at work is to gradually build up patches of colour and eliminating anomalies if need be one by one. In anthropogenic terms, this is possibly equivalent to leading by example.

[ulli]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
The "splitting of the two earths" to me sounds totally off.

My take was that the earth had been split into a duality paradigm all along...since eons ago.
My take is that what is happening now is a massive reunification event.
Just look at all of us reading these posts in different parts of the world...
these messages would have taken months to deliver just 60 years ago, dependent where one was living.

you're wrong there, imo. duality doesn't refer to a split eons ago. duality means we experience separation from all-that-is. unity means oneness. oneness can only be experienced by those who choose to experience it, because of free will. since not all of us want to experience it there will have to be a split. those who ascend will once again experience unity with all-that-is, the others will continue their experience of duality. you could say that those who ascend are splitting off from the current way humanity exists on earth, they're taking the exit, as explained before.

Maybe I'm not wrong at all. When I met the first live-in-total-unity-person it was 1983 and she was raised by parents who had been raised by unity conscious parents themselves. So she was a third generation Baha'i.
She didn't see the world as you and I do at all. Even the huge cities where the big world changing decisions are made didn't feature in her consciousness. Her world already had a world capital, Haifa, Israel. I found that totally impressive at the time.
Later I realized that most Baha'is still do their own dividing, the Baha'i world versus the non Baha'i world. It used to creep up in so many conversations, and when I pointed out that this was in total contradiction to Baha'i beliefs about oneness they would show quite a bit of displeasure, as I was being too critical, and hence dualistic for their liking.
I learnt my lesson though, unity must begin within one's own being....knowing all aspects of the self, warts included.

Anyway my point is about timing here. Time is the greatest mystery. Can there be a future single event when for many people that event has already happened in their past?

Bill stated it just recently....it is an event that is spread over time, and I would go as far as saying that it already happened to Goethe in the 18th century. So many enlightened seers in the 19th century.
Now with Internet access a lot more people are getting it. There is a new generation growing up, all with cosmic consciousness paradigms bombarding them.
I just wonder about those poor souls in sub Saharan Africa...what chances do they have?