Death

[Ernie Nemeth]

I'm sorry, I could not read much of this thread. It made me so, so sad. From memories of how I handled the death of my grandparents - especially my grandmother. She was a very strong person who could be attributed with the survival of my family during their escape from Hungary in '56. She was the penultimate Matriarch, with hards views on life and people in general but with a total love and devotion for the family.
When she was on her death bed she asked to see me. I lived 2,000 miles away and did not attend. She took me out of the will and I've only seen that part of the family once since then, 25 years? Then grandpa died 3 months later, heartbroken. I did not go to his funeral either. But he put me back in the will before he died.
I'm not good with death. I do not believe in it, and still do not. Although I have softened a bit since.
Until I was forty I believed I would never die. I would show the world there is no need to do so. But as this crumby world continued to chip away at my zest for life, I finally realized that I do not want to live forever. Now (until only very recently) I decided I want to leave as soon as possible.
I am confused about death, I do not understand it - it seems senseless still.
Thanks for the tears and the reminder. I will dwell on this in my heart and try to make some sense out of this for myself.
Maybe I'll get through this thread at some later time.
May the Most High bless all of you and bring you peace.
Love to all mankind.

[Davidallany]

The whole thing is just wrong. Whoever designed these bodies didn't intend to include long life and good health. People used to die from rotten teeth at 30 or so in earlier centuries. Isn't it more efficient to have a five year teeth regrowth cycles, regrow damaged organs and limbs, better eye sight and hearing, bigger brains, because souls can handle any containers. The only real limitations are in the design, the encodings in the DNA.

[mahalall]

[QUOTE=IndigoStar;301979]Today in the chatroom the topic of death came up and I proceeded to give my views on it. The chat room quickly emptied.

Sorry, i can't answer such a profound question on the nature of impermanence because i keep chuckling at the thought of who died in the chat room. sorry hahahah

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
My lord, there has only been one being who could cheat death, he is grand master Darth Plagueis, as I remember .
But together we can find his secret.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R09jFWQVrE0

Excellent video.
It shows that it is possible to do ''evil'' things, all in the name of love.

[Davidallany]

The most inefficient system in the body is the digestive, so little nutrients extracted from a rather large amounts of food, resulting in unnecessarily large amounts of waste.

[mahalall]

Thankyou Indigostar,
For bringing the thread up,
i see death regularly in my line of work. From my observations those who have experience and or have meditated on the subject have a stronger ability to manage those emotions that arise. These emotions are healthy and a natural part of being human ( some might argue,though)
On reflection I'm sure there has been a conspiracy about death, because if we lived with momentary awareness would we be so easily conditioned into chasing the carrot and spinning such long yarns?

An interesting phenomena brought up by Lord Sid, in that jedi's are not taught how to evade death (but really should be a thread on it's own) that being the transference of consciousness through organ donation?

In supporting your thread on death the research by Dr Ian Stevenson;
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JRTBo...eature=related
supports your view and may provide comfort.
(note part 3 of the documentation provides evidence that a physical trauma that contributed to death can be passed on to the next life)

[DNA]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_z2O289Jemo

If your not a fan of the music style then forward to 8:40
Amazing song.
And an absolutely amazing video.

Here are the lyrics.

We barely remember, who or what came before this precious moment.
We are choosing to be here, right now. Hold on, stay inside...
This holy reality, this holy experience. Choosing to be here in...

This body. This body holding me. Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me, feeling eternal all this pain is an illusion.

Alive... I...

In this holy reality, in this holy experience. Choosing to be here in...

This body. This body holding me. Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me, feeling eternal all this pain is an illusion.

Twirling 'round with this familiar parable.
Spinning, weaving 'round each new experience.
Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this
chance to be alive and breathing,
a chance to be alive and breathing.

This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality.
Embrace this moment. Remember; we are eternal,
all this pain is an illusion.

[Dawn]

I thought I'd add a couple of stories that have occurred in my life. I have actually experienced death myself, however I'd like to tell you about 3 deaths of others in my life which might provide a window into this topic.

#1: My mom and I were very close. She died at age 67, the official reason was brain cancer, but she actually committed suicide just before she felt that all ability to move and orchestrate her own life would cease. In this way, she felt she saved herself from 10-15 years of pain and suffering as a bed ridden quadriplegic because the growing tumor was in the part of the brain which controlled body functions including the ability to talk, not the portion of the brain that did her thinking.

When she told the family her plan, 3 of us told her we'd like to be by her bedside when she went through this process, so that she could die surrounded by those who loved her. Her death was by the ingestion of medication, as we sat around her bed and spoke to each other about the many wonderful and loving times we had all had as a family. Later that day, after her body had died, the magic began. Each one of us had been given tasks to do, throw away her under garmets, pack up other clothes for goodwill, and so on. A book flew off a shelf and opened to a page where she had hand written notes (back before the cancer took away her ability to write). The notes were in the margin of this poem and they were addressed to the 3 of us:

Do not stand at my grave and weep..
I am not there. I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awake in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft star-shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry..
I am not there. I did not die.

Other magical things happened as well, but the most magical of all is that all 3 of us were in total bliss for the next 6 months! I did not feel any other emotion except JOY for all that time! Then she visited all of the people in the family one-by-one. To each of us she paid a meaningful visit which has lasted in our memories. My visit was the last one, until my father's recent death, which is story #3 in this little post.

Anyway... about my visit... I was asleep, when I suddenly became aware that I was attending a 'class' with other professionals in my industry. This amazed me because I was unaware that I did this type of thing while my 3D body was sleeping. All in the class were simply foci of light (like glowing balls without a membrane), yet I knew exactly who 75% of the audience was, they were my fellow business associates. Suddenly I felt as though I was 'tapped on the shoulder'. I turned around and there was mother, as a glowing ball of light. She was very sober and her feelings towards me were neutral (not as they had been when we were in the roles of 'mother and daughter'). Communication was not in words, but as telepathic waves of frequency. She 'told' me that she had come because she felt she had not fulfilled her responsibility with me and this was weighing on her, she asked if I would allow her to do this now. Next she held up a mirror and told me that she had intended to show me 'who I really am' when I was her child. As the mirror came in front of me I saw blinding light and knew I was a powerful 'sun'. The shock of the blinding light caused me to gasp and immediately I was back in the 3D world floating back into my body accompanied by a loud roaring sound in my ears. There is no doubt to me that I had had a visit from 'Mom'. I have deep gratitude to her for this gesture, and am so glad I could help her release her feeling of failure with me as a daughter.


#2. I had the same 2 dogs for 45 years. I know, that is impossible. I certainly did not think this type of thing was possible, however I realized it suddenly and surely, with a solid knowing. Towards the end of their last 2 lives our relationship became amazing, they taught me how to communicate telepathically with them. And our bonds grew stronger than they ever had been in their earlier incarnations as former furry friends. But it is the story of Wrapper's death that I would like to tell here.

Wrapper was a lovely boxer, and had been with me 10 years when it became clear it was time to euthanize her. She no longer had the use of her back legs, so I communicated with her about the situation and she agreed that it was time to go the the vet. As I held her in my arms after the vet gave her the lethal injection and left the room she was relaxed. however as the oxygen in her body ran low, she began to panic because her lungs and heart would not work. I told her (remember that she taught me how to communicate) that she could finish her dying process in my body, because the vet would not treat her body with respect. She immediately sent her energy up through my arms into my heart.

When I returned home from the Vet my husband had expected to see deep sorrow, however I just couldn't feel that way, as Wrapper was closer to me than ever now that she and I were sharing my body.

As a gift for my birthday the next day, I had planned to go to a healing retreat center for 5 days, including daily massages. As we arrived at the retreat center I was surprised to clearly see Wrapper trotting at my side on the grass, but as soon as I turned my head she vanished. And so it went for the entire retreat, I would clearly see her, then if I looked directly she would vanish.... EXCEPT for the bodywork sessions. Every time I was to receive a massage I suddenly became a dog... now I know this sounds 'odd' so I will try to explain. I suddenly experienced myself as having a tail, long ears, claws and a spotted tummy. Of course the massage therapists only saw a woman on the table.

Wrapper went in and out of my body for 6 months, and each time she stayed for a shorter period. Then one day, she was simply gone. But she left with me one last really wonderful lasting gift, I know exactly what it feels like to be a dog, and I can communicate with animals with ease.


#3. This is the story of my Dad, who died in April of this year. He had been raised by a mean and abusive alcoholic dad and a tiny spitfire of a mom. As a child he lived in terror of his drunken dad, and remembers when he and his brother held a knife to my grandpa's throat to keep him from beating grandma. His personality had become split by this traumatic upbringing, so as my parent he could be the most wonderful dad in the world, and also angry and awful.

His favorite thing to do was mountaineering, and when he was in the mountains he was an amazing human being. I have many fond memories of long backpacking trips in the High Sierras, swimming in mountain lakes, and running naked across boulders with him. As the years progressed however, he became angry most of the time and was very difficult to be around, especially after Mom died 17 years ago. He wished to live alone near the wilderness after Mom died, so we all helped him move to a condominium and he spent his days hiking in the woods out his back door.

About 2 weeks before his death he began having low back aches so my sister drove to see him and take him to the hospital. After 87 years of a healthy lifestyle he had never been inside a hospital or needed medical treatment. He was enraged at the things doctors wished to do to him in the hospital. He ripped the IV out of his arm, yelling that he refused to submit to their barbaric torture, and stormed out without signing their release papers. We all laughed, it was so typically Dad. He also refused to take their pills, and instead chose a natural method to control his bladder infection at home. This is what allowed him to die peacefully. It turns out that the easiest and most painless way to go is through kidney failure... and that is what happened. Mom began to visit us all again, telling each one of us that dad was going to die soon, but not to worry, she would be there to make the transition smooth. But I am getting ahead in the story.

Dad was a little sleepy and tired during the 2 weeks after the hospital visit, so we hired a loving woman to check on him a few times daily, make meals, shop and clean his house for him. On the day of his death he called each one of us to tell us that he felt better and was having a wonderful day. In his last call to my youngest sister (and his favorite daughter), he told her that he was going on the heroes journey to the top of the tallest mountain. She wished him good journey and knew he was telling her that he planned to die.

2 hours later Dad was found sitting against the couch in the living room. At age 87 he was dressed in his mountaineering clothes, hiking boots, and had his ice axe by his side. He was dead.

My sisters and I cleaned his house ourselves and got it ready for sale. This was a sacred task which we would not leave to others. We worked with the energies that were left behind in the house, mostly those passed on to him from his alcoholic dad. He has come back to say good bye to my youngest sister in person, and she clearly saw him sitting on her bed.

These 3 stories, coupled with my own death experiences have served to allow me to totally let go of the fear of death. I have told them to you in case they help you in this way too.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

We have started out on a firm and wonderful footing with the realization of IndigoStar that we are infinite. We do not die but live on many, many multi-dimensional levels and lives. There are no limits.

In coming for this Earth experience in duality and 3D constructs ~ we gave up all but 16% of our gifts and talents and therefore are extremely limited under free will and conditions of duality for having any sort of true perspective on how these lives on Earth unfold, it's part of the magic here in learning and progressing. Now we have the ability to get back not only all those gifts and talents we laid down prior to Earth but to collect and come into clarity all those new ones we've earned by enduring and evolving on Earth. Are you with me so far?

Okay, we have had veils between each life whether we believe this or not and some deny it which is a choice of our own intuition and feelings. Believe it or not, it is so. We cannot absorb all that these lives have meant in terms of why we did this ~ what was the quest ~ what was the payoff ~ for it? Had we not veils, all of these experiences would be too much under constricts of 3D to follow and be sane during the process. But the fragmenting is what has already taken place by living say 300 other lives, these are each a fragment of who we are and believe ourselves to be.

During this last period of putting things together with some unity of purpose, we've been sorting and purifying all those lives into one cohesive whole. How does death fit in here? Each transition has been under the control of the dark powers who psyched us into reincarnating over and over again plus tinkered with our DNA to limit us so that barriers were placed where Stargates used to be open allowing teleportation between all worlds and Earth. These dark ones are also children of God and we have done this by mutual agreement to play both dark and light parts on Earth.

Each of us, whether we can acknowledge this possibility or not have, in fact, played all the parts ~ including dark parts ourselves. This makes it impossible NOT to forgive everyone whatever acts they have done while under duality and 3D constructs because "but for the grace of God go I."

In the Bible and throughout history we have been conditioned to believe we MUST die in order to reach heaven and be returned to glory, and our reward, and so forth but it's all part of the illusion and death acted as a huge limitation on our returning to our Heavenly Home. Except ~ There is no death. And further, we are the dead that shall raise again ~ having lived these others lives within our own spiritual and soul groups or pods through previous contracts nothing is really ever lost and certainly not our spirits and loving oneness. Start imagining no limitations and barriers, as have been imposed upon us and a new day will dawn in your own mind, heart, spirit and body. Nothing can kill you if you're infinite! Some call our physical body an envelop or shell or whatever but this, too, has changed and we have an opportunity to transend death at this point in time or out of it and become "Physical angels." Even at this moment, your body is transforming from carbon base to crystalline. Those who are able to continue in this 3D form with material body will be able to make this full transition. Those who don't will get there through other means. Remember nothing is ever lost in this world or on the spiritual or etheric dimensions either. We change form constantly. Each part of our own human body has restored itself cell by cell, molecule by molecule like clockwork over and over in terms of months and years of our lives. Yet, our own thoughts and lack of DNA strands regarding these restorations were not connected correctly and we went ahead and died anyway. Even though our bodies may have just finished a new restoration, we did not "believe" this was possible and indeed it could not manifest as such. What we believe limits us if we are not open to ALL things. We have been conditioned to be closed systems locked in dogma and old beliefs that did not allow for ascension out of duality ~ that is, up until NOW.

While we can bicker and be troubled by any particular viewpoint of not, the most important thing to dwell on is that you have Divinity. You are Infinite. You are a Master in your own right and power. As we go forth into a New Golden Age upon the Earth, we are awakening to these gifts and talents through the activation of our own DNA strands. Only two strands have been functioning for eons now of darkness.

Like an engine running on 2 spark plugs, we have not had the full discerning ability or any other one ~ we once had prior to Earth and some tinkering had been done to us by dark forces. These are being reversed each and every day by the Adamantine particles flooding to Earth from Solar Flares and CME's all carefully monitored by our Celestial friends who can be seen modifying them around the Sun every single day.

Yet, no one has much faith in their own eyes or powers but soon you will see and know all of this for yourselves, you've had amnesia and now you are regaining your own power and light. Let it happen and put aside all the doom and gloom about Death. Part of what the Celestials are doing here among us now in such great numbers is raising up our own consciousness so that we can get back all those other 10 DNA strands and get them up and running. It is even possible and likely that we can gain even more from all that we have experienced and endured throughout our many lifetimes. Be open to it and all things good will come to you. I meant to mention my own experience when my Dad died on Easter Sunday this year, suffice it to say, his spirit beat me home from Utah to Idaho. It was sad saying good-bye to his mortal remains and see it into a grave site. We do not die and he is not dead. Once we grasp this fact alone, we will rise our own consciousness to a height where no 3D darkness can ever touch us again. And so it is...

Death ~ where is thy sting? You are infinite, you are infinite, you are infinite! Love you! xoxoxoxoxxo

[Samsara]

Hi every One, I'm a brand new provisional member of Avalon. As you know, in order for me to grow into a member, I need to start posting somewhere. A thread about Death is the perfect place for me to Begin.

Firstly, I want to extend my sincere condolences to Star1111 and UnifiedSerenity, and anyone reading this that has lost a loved One. My heart goes out to you.

My Mom has gone 6 years ago (seems like yesterday), and my adopted Dad almost 3 years ago. I understand your grief. They both still live in my heart. I speak to them all the time and I am graced with their visit in my dreams (mostly Mom). I'm still grieving, and yes, it comes in waves. Even though they are more present in my life than ever, I can't see or touch them physically anymore. But, I know they are close by and watching over me, and very much alive in their world.

In their deaths, they have given me a great gift. After walking them both to the door of the other side, I was left with the desire to work with dying people. I have started volunteer work in a palliative care home in November of last year. I love the work I do and I want more. Being close to death teaches me how to live, makes me appreciate every second of my life, and I am reminded of what is really important in life.
Death is very real in our physical world. Not everyone dies the same, some go in deep anxiety, some fight to the end, and some go in peace. I believe we die as we live. I’m preparing my own death by living peacefully.

I wish to share this with anyone wanting to ponder on grief: http://http://compassionatesolutions...hen-jenkinson/
Podcast interview - Living deeply and dying well with Stephen Jenkinson (GriefWalker)

Peace and Love to All