Free Energy?! No way in hell!

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his Nihilists cap...

-where does any energy come from ?
- what is energy?
- what is mass?
- what is "substance"?

ONE very simple answer, albeit highly unpopular with most people... everything boils down to being nothing more than ideas and the semantic use of such so easily leads to

"quasi circular definitions"

no matter the topic.

Investigation of such an uncomfortable conundrum leads to the question 'What might be the root cause of ideas?'

In looking to answer that you would need to identify the lowest common denominator amongst those things which consistantly affect everybody in the same way.

With respect to anything being potentially possible, one can only argue the case that something is so, under the caveat 'up to this particular point in time'.

It would seem that an extremely good candidate for the cause of all ideas is actually something we all rely on to let us down every day... GRAVITY!!

cheers

PS Was given this to read in my early teens "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" by Robert M. Pirsig)
and loved it.

[Davidallany]

Hello, I would like to comment on this statement.

are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

Good and thoughtful question.

Good job on thread.

[1159]

Posted by Davidallany (here)
Hello, I would like to comment on this statement.

are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

I think people can be responsible, if people are made to know the facts of the situation and if people are instructed from an early age. I even see teenagers and children being somewhat responsible these days.

I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?

[Davidallany]

I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?

I Understand what you mean, sir.

I like your thread very much.

[TargeT]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The energy really isn't free, we are merely tickling, via oscillation or via sudden 'snap' (the medium is a dual direction toroidal overlay/spiral.. it is elastic, resonant, marginally unidirectional (asymmetric in energy realization in this plane) and polarized (due to the multi-axis components), and the basic frameworks is moved into into a polarization-agreeance.... that allows more of the base energies in the system..into geometric alignment with this expression of reality.

If you read that sentence, as convoluted as it is, it becomes plain that the 'energy' comes from somewhere.. not nowhere. The question is what does this drain/exchange/transfer do (actuate/action) on the 'other' side?

the extra dimensional "un-intended consiquences" are interesting; I try to visualise everything in at least 3d, but knowing there's so much more than that makes it harder.. though I guess an overlaid torrid is more of a 4th dimensional (at least how I think of it now) object, as they exsists in shared space, much like the inverted stacked pyramids that (I feel) make up our personal energy signature (looks like the star of david in 2d).

This is the only "real" concern I think that should have mind-energy spent on.. anything in our 3d world is nearly irrelivant.

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
It would seem that an extremely good candidate for the cause of all ideas is actually something we all rely on to let us down every day... GRAVITY!!

cheers

I actually think its duality.. positive and negative (we call them "charges" or magnetic/electric (and they forget gravity)) interacting around a neutral center (so really, trinity, which should ring some randomly corroborated bells)

Gravity is a part of it, but not a standalone force as some seem to think.

[Ol' Roy]

Guys, I would hope and am glad to see Wade Frasier post on this thread. Wade has a tread on all of this. He is looking for people like you, that could go to level 12 as he calls it. You have the credidentials to get you there. If you would only pay attention. Wade has been through all of your hypothesis. Been there done that, so to speak.

Illie, Sandy, and Mr. Neiwiadomski post regularly on his tread. I don't post reguarlly, but do believe what he is saying. I challenge The One, Gardner, and Davidallany, and others to check out his info. Especially his web site, He references this quite often. There is a wealth of info here.

I am not technology advanced, but do understand some of his philosphies. And understand why he is using this approach. So that the average person can understand it.

Please check it out, if you haven't already. He is one of the sincere people, who is trying to get this info out, in my belief.

Sincerely,
O'Roy

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Dear Avalonians,
If you feel bad about this thread you should check this thread out
A Future Earth
David, i know what you mean with visualising... I practice it everyday And confirm it's usefullness

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy. Don't worry Raising our awareness of darkness don't makes more darkness if we just observe it without judgement (ie. blowing a fuse or cheering it)...

[TargeT]

Posted by 1159 (here)

Posted by Davidallany (here)
Hello, I would like to comment on this statement.

are we as a species responsible and mature enough to deal with the greed and excess that this would produce?

I think people can be responsible, if people are made to know the facts of the situation and if people are instructed from an early age. I even see teenagers and children being somewhat responsible these days.

I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?

1159; I think your totaly wrong,

Part of the reason the Mayan calander makes so much sense to me is I now SEE the growth in people, even if they might not recognize it, I see people that I never thought would be anything but a debt slave for the rest of their life asking profound questions; at first I was shocked but then I started reading about the 9 levels of conciousness & how everything is accelerating to the completion, then the 5thnight thing hit & really rocked my world..

ANYWAY, I think that the current system of externalising power & responsiblity is at fault, not people, people will flock to a better way once it is shown. No one is happy with the status quo, but the current fear doctrin makes them happy to stay as it's a "known" vrs an "unknown".

we are ready for "easy energy " (not free); and it is comming, check out the link in my sig for absolute proof of it, in the "real world" this concept is exhibited in the E-Cat (which you will know how it functions if you understand that thread).



edit:

and I'll throw this out there... all that we need to do to find "free" energy is concentrate on IMPEDENCE!
Impedence in EVERYTHING! we already do this a lot,, think of everything in terms of impedence and you'll see what I mean.. (siphon was mentioned earlier.. same thing, impeedence is a more all encompasing term)

[Davidallany]

This "negative" thread can't provide more energy for darkness to hinder propagation of free energy.

It is good that you address your fears on Avalon.



Good thread.
My best

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

David,

My sense of irony in English language is imperfect and needs some more polishing Forgive me...
I wonder how irony in written text in China looks like...
Oops strayed too way off topic! Back on track.

If we would get our hands on FE technology today, tomorrow will be gone overnight. First FE would be weaponized. Just like nuclear technology. First country to use it against it's enemies would start a chain reaction of retaliations. Add to this A.I., military drones and infinite electricity power supply combined and humanity is a toast in a puff of smoke... We need to shed our killer instincts off first...

[TargeT]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
If we would get our hands on FE technology today, tomorrow will be gone overnight. First FE would be weaponized. Just like nuclear technology. First country to use it against it's enemies would start a chain reaction of retaliations. Add to this A.I., military drones and infinite electricity power supply combined and humanity is a toast in a puff of smoke... We need to shed our killer instincts off first...

study history, tell me where ONE major war has been entered into with out tricking the population into it... this is a false concept, people in general do not want to kill other people. Police do not keep us safe, we keep us safe; I don't know if this concept ( killer instincts ) comes from a base of fear or what, but I find it to be mostly untrue.

when was the last time you felt the urge to kill somoene strongly enough that you had to hold your self back? & if you did feel it was it just an expression of emotion based from confusion or truely a homicidal desire..

we are all one, what you feel I feel, I simply filter it differently through my perspective (past sequence training); don't think people are very different than you... but don't under estimate the power of indoctronation either .

I could spew facts to back all this up if you care for "proof", but this is my understanding as a USA resident & member of the military for 12 years. we refer to them as "trigger pullers" and there are VERY VERY few real trigger pullers out there, most are just reacting defensively, aiming high, closing their eyes at the time they shoot at a live person.. in my point of view (seeped in war, machoism & generally high levels of testosterone) people are mostly not like this with out serious conditioning & trauma to help seperate themselfs from their own humanity.

[Davidallany]

If we would get our hands on FE technology today, tomorrow will be gone overnight. First FE would be weaponized. Just like nuclear technology. First country to use it against it's enemies would start a chain reaction of retaliations. Add to this A.I., military drones and infinite electricity power supply combined and humanity is a toast in a puff of smoke... We need to shed our killer instincts off first...

Good and solid information.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

If we were all angels without killer instinct there would be no way anybody could be tricked into joining military or sending soldiers abroad...

How often can you hear somebody shouting I'll kill you!" in anger? How often have you seen children playing with toy guns (nerf, waterguns, airguns, storm trooper's blasters etc.) aim at each other and pulling triggers? How often have you seen people playing paintball? Untill we won't stop this hidden "trigger pulling" conditioning we are not going to use FE. Last thing. Why on Earth most promoted kids movies are always about neverending violent fight for peace? Can't you see a pattern unfolding into adulthood here? We let our governments (OUR employees!) send soldiers to "fight for peace" (and oil) or "fight terror" (with terror)...

If it is not real killer instinct then it is that military conditioning that makes us easy prey for manipulators... This anger path is more obvious more accesible more instinctive more automatic than lambs path... Oh what a softie i am...

[Davidallany]

Good stuff.

[TargeT]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
If we were all angels without killer instinct there would be no way anybody could be tricked into joining military or sending soldiers abroad...

How often can you hear somebody shouting I'll kill you!" in anger? How often have you seen children playing with toy guns (nerf, waterguns, airguns, storm trooper's blasters etc.) aim at each other and pulling triggers? How often have you seen people playing paintball? Untill we won't stop this hidden "trigger pulling" conditioning we are not going to use FE. Last thing. Why on Earth most promoted kids movies are always about neverending violent fight for peace? Can't you see a pattern unfolding into adulthood here? We let our governments (OUR employees!) send soldiers to "fight for peace" (and oil) or "fight terror" (with terror)...

If it is not real killer instinct then it is that military conditioning that makes us easy prey for manipulators... This anger path is more obvious more accesible more instinctive more automatic than lambs path... Oh what a softie i am...

well lets disect your examples:

I think you'll find you agree with me, but perhaps haven't explored it fully.

lets change your last statement around a bit. it's not JUST military conditioning, as you said, children are doing this, we are conditioned to do this from day ONE! and its MOSTLY about duality; it all comes down to duality.

Us vrs them etc.. this is the root of it all, if you notice, no games played in school are "inclusive" they are alway EXCLUSIVE, two teams, 1 winner, 1 looser, (we'll skip ties for now). now expand this duality indoctrination to an entire life (or at least the MOST IMPORTANT YEARS of life) and you'll see why its so easy to "trick" us into betraying our nature. its furhtered in later life through orginised sports, elections, anything on TV etc.. duality is pushed at us ALL THE TIME, police in the US use RED and BLUE lights (perfect example of duality for many reasons) and ever notice that the red flashes on one side then the blue on the other (and the other way around).. police and military are the peak expression of duality.
(for an exelent explination of why this happens, watch this AMAZING presentation from the 2011 freeyourmind conference: http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/201...e-mark-passio/ )

this is a system that has been in place for a long time because it works so well, when we are not at peace with ourselfs, when we are constantly in a dualistic state, we are EASILY lead through logical fallacies to one conclusion or another, then you simply put someone in a state of fear (easy when your being shot at or, "PSYCed" up via speach) and let the fight, flight or freeze take over (thats why there's so few "trigger pullers" not many are "fighters" most are flight / freeze).

Does this make sense?

My ultimate point here is that people are not expressing themselfs as people, they are expressing themselfs as extreme conflict in everyway, duality at its finnest & THAT is what we must end. so really I'm arguing semantecs with you, you say killer instincts, I say dualistic indoctronation; but my concept is a learned behavior, yours seems to be an inherent one (and I do disagree with that).

if nothing else we can agree to disagree, but give what I've written some thought; it may help you raise your spirits about humanity; it wont be easy, but IT IS possible to change!

this is all slightly OT, yet not really I supose, we are discussing why to not be (or be) afraid of "free" energy.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Being here and now, in the moment, in The Zone, in The Flow is the way to be. I agree. I think it will be natural state of being in the FE world...

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

TargeT, i agree with you

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I'd just like to remind you all the purpose of this thread. We should share here any fears that we feel we may have about Free Energy or any worries that we may have.

We do not do this to get more "darkness", nor to be judged for our fears or worries or to be told how wrong we are... we do it to express this fear, to "look it in the eye" as it were, to bring light into some dark corners of the mind.

This will help us heal, and it is my hope that will help others recognize and heal these fears in themselves.

So please, be gentle with those that were brave enough to express themselves here, this is what this thread is for.. to express, to explore and to heal

We now have 5 threads: Wade's general energy thread, the one I've started that explores the things will go away with FE, the positive visions thread, the "road to FE" and of course this thread.

They are deeply interconnected, but for example, if you while reading here about the fear of FE, you get inspired to write a "positive vision" do that on the vision thread. Keeping threads focused on what their function is will make them more helpful!

Thank you!

[Hughe]

One last thought re siphoning energy from the time dimension... how can we be sure that our gain is not some other entities dimensional loss (eual and opposite reaction?) and since we have no real idea it could be another possible explanation / source for the apparent ruthless suppression of such info / tech by known and unkown quarters, no?

Premature death of entire Earth caused by accelerated time flow.

The energy really isn't free, we are merely tickling, via oscillation or via sudden 'snap' (the medium is a dual direction toroidal overlay/spiral.. it is elastic, resonant, marginally unidirectional (asymmetric in energy realization in this plane) and polarized (due to the multi-axis components), and the basic frameworks is moved into into a polarization-agreeance.... that allows more of the base energies in the system..into geometric alignment with this expression of reality.

If you read that sentence, as convoluted as it is, it becomes plain that the 'energy' comes from somewhere.. not nowhere. The question is what does this drain/exchange/transfer do (actuate/action) on the 'other' side?

I don't know your understanding of energy technology. I know one specific principal of nature in our universe that unlimited energy is possible without no side effect. The efficiency of this technology is less than two magnitude of input/output ratio. It looks primitive than cutting edge FE technologies that deals with dimensions, the very fabric of matter. However, it is safe, nondestructive, also has the harmonic nature.

Our universe is an open system. Symmetric model is simply wrong. Stuck in closed paradigm leads to dead end no matter how the theories and mathematics become complex. An energy generator based on a close loop system's maximum efficiency is always below 1 (100%).

I would like to share your optimism, but evidence would seem to suggest that on a global scale the balance is towards self destruction through abdication of responsibility and greed. I suspect free energy would lead to a sudden and dreadful explosion of consumption before it self regulated. Can we live through the damage of that transition, or would it be a tipping point for our already fragile eco system?

It's not them what force us to believe or do. People have the right to choose their action either it will lead to destruction or joy and longevity of living. Present civilization is already middle of crash course. Fossil fuel based economy has destroyed Earth and our spirituality. How much longer do we take on this ugly passage?

My only concern of energy technology is people might consider water as source of energy, that will be the worst case scenario. Water is the source of life forms. It's time for humanity to get out of matter based energy dependence.

[sandy]

The advent of Free Energy will be opposed by the masses!!! This would mean personal responsibility and no Big Daddy would be a reality. There are far too many children dependent of the Global Controllers calling the shots and telling them what to do, what to believe, etc. This is the irony of what is happening today with all those who do not want to see life for what it is on this planet, thus my ultimate nightmare>>>>> the masses will oppose our evolution as a species and planet