Free Energy?! No way in hell!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Gardener:

The “Wade Levels” ( ) can overlap, etc., but yes, it could be a bit of Level 8 there, but it seems like a lot of Level 5, too. Yes, the premises are questionable.

I would like to say what I hope this thread becomes, and what it does not become. I really hope that this thread is where fears can be honored and examined. I plan to put up some scenarios that will be as “negative” as these posts are “positive.”

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post330505

They will be nightmare scenarios; one will be if we do not embrace FE; another will be if we do FE in the ways that many fear – weaponized or used to strip mine the entire planet, and I can think of some others that I hope I do not live to see.

Some posts on this thread seem to be at least partly tongue-in-cheek, and I can see some humor being appropriate, but what I hope does not happen is people’s fears being ridiculed, or posts put up that demonstrate that those with fear of FE are stupid. I have seen many, particularly of the environmentalist bent, make articulate and not-easily dismissed arguments on why we should not have FE anytime soon. And I would like to see them put here. But the glaring misspellings in that post that Robert excerpted, and some of the author’s logic, could be used for the “the fearful are stupid” argument, like with the Teabonics phenomenon:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/daily...onics_sign.php

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pargon/...7623594187379/

I am not saying that the Tea Party is on the right track, and beauty queens taking it over is similar to how actors become politicians in the USA, but I really hope to engage the fear that people have about FE. Most of the fear is buried pretty deeply, and gets disguised as other things. Sometimes it bubbles to the top, and when it does, it can be very helpful to take a good look at it.

So, if that was a serious post, Robert, and the author wants to clean up the spelling, grammar and punctuation at a minimum, then I can see it being posted here.

Some of you have probably noticed me doing it, but I revise almost all of my posts at least once, as I find typos. I know that it is difficult to get the spelling, grammar and punctuation right the first time, especially if English is not your mother tongue. I hope that we can keep the quality of writing at a fairly high level. This is only a warm-up for that forum that I plan to eventually mount.

Best,

Wade

[Referee]

I have a Dream,

Maybe the US will attack Iran and I will be happy and proud to be a patriot and pay 10.00$ a gallon for gas and maybe I will drop to my knees and thank God that those PTWTB control my ability to get to work everyday. Maybe I will just live in my car and take showers in a truck stop. Maybe I will eat McDonald's 1.00 menu everyday and maybe.....

It is time Free Energy is given to the public it has been around for a long time wake up world! Like Alex Jones Says I am Sick of it. Stop trying to control my life so I can pay for you Castles and Yachts and take overs of Islands and country's. The world is for all of the creators spirits. Not for you and your cronies. Not for your personal indulgences. Free Energy Now!

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Hi All

My last post was intended to be serious. I am far from making jokes of fear. The Fear is something very real to the person experiencing it.
Try to convince little child that there are no monsters under the bed. Good luck with that. We “fight” monsters almost every night in my home Including last night... My advice if I may is: if you go with usual "there are no monsters Dear" you literary make the child feel incompetent and not trusted. The only way is to admit there are monsters under the bed and that you will take care of them together.

And must confess that while composing my last post I had to interrupt it several times (monsters took us by surprise ). It took me 3 hours to complete it! Maybe it was a sign not to post at all...

I admit to skip the spell check and have no excuse. I am sorry for your discomfort while reading my last post. Attempted to fix some errors. Probably not all of them... I just can't see them with my Polish eyes…

[jcocks]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
Hi All

My last post was intended to be serious. I am far from making jokes of fear. The Fear is something very real to the person experiencing it.
Try to convince little child that there are no monsters under the bed. Good luck with that. We “fight” monsters almost every night in my home Including last night... My advice if I may is: if you go with usual "there are no monsters Dear" you literary make the child feel incompetent and not trusted. The only way is to admit there are monsters under the bed and that you will take care of them together.

And must confess that while composing my last post I had to interrupt it several times (monsters took us by surprise ). It took me 3 hours to complete it! Maybe it was a sign not to post at all...

I admit to skip the spell check and have no excuse. I am sorry for your discomfort while reading my last post. Attempted to fix some errors. Probably not all of them... I just can't see them with my Polish eyes…

That's perfectly understandable - I've been there myself, with 3 kids......

IMHO, most of the fears related to FE are, when we honestly look at them, irrational - and I wonder if any of the fears would translate to reality if we were to get FE...

Also, regarding the weaponization of FE and it's use to strip-mine the planet..... I would be very surprised if TPTW aren't already doing these things..... And they haven't destroyed the planet yet. I think we can safely say that if we had FE, we wouldnt knowingly wreck our own home with it. There are those out there who would be that stupid, but they'd be vastly outnumbered by those who aren't

[Wade Frazier]

Robert, that was not your post that you were reproducing, was it? I did not mean that you were not serious in posting it, but what I read of that post almost seemed sardonic. I would be surprised if you were its author. Sometimes, people go over-the-top to make a point, so it can be hard to tell if they are serious. I was just stating that people with fear of FE should be addressed seriously, and yes, Jcocks, part of the purpose is for the fearful to see that their fears are largely irrational (or based on false or questionable premises, as Gardener pointed out in her post).

Yes, the worst elements of humanity already have FE and other technologies, and they use them for evil purposes. That is Greer’s response to people who fear FE because it may fall in the wrong hands. It is already in the wrong hands:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#divine

Gotta run off to work now,

Wade

[amadeus]

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
Hi All

My last post was intended to be serious. I am far from making jokes of fear. The Fear is something very real to the person experiencing it.
Try to convince little child that there are no monsters under the bed. Good luck with that. We “fight” monsters almost every night in my home Including last night... My advice if I may is: if you go with usual "there are no monsters Dear" you literary make the child feel incompetent and not trusted. The only way is to admit there are monsters under the bed and that you will take care of them together.

And must confess that while composing my last post I had to interrupt it several times (monsters took us by surprise ). It took me 3 hours to complete it! Maybe it was a sign not to post at all...

I admit to skip the spell check and have no excuse. I am sorry for your discomfort while reading my last post. Attempted to fix some errors. Probably not all of them... I just can't see them with my Polish eyes…

correct and is the mechanism utilized to resolve this and related "blockages"

[amadeus]

All societies are structured thus function upon original belief of the structure hence nature of god.
The structure of our universe, as now known, alters every belief we possessed in god
Free energy as in: how does it work, compels confession of the above by the same authorities that enforce gods will (law) within all societies.

the reason:

Perhaps the most accomplished analyst of mythology in modern times was the late Mircea Eliade, chairman of the Department of History of Religions at the University of Chicago, and editor of the Encyclopedia of Religion. From his meticulous, lifelong survey of the subject, professor Eliade drew a stunning conclusion: literally every component of early civilizations--from religion to art and architecture--expressed symbolically the desire to recover and to re-live the lost Golden Age. That which symbolically transported the participant back to the First Time, the Golden Age, was sacred. That which did not was transient and mundane, of no interest.

this archetypal guidance of human societies predates our young abrahamic beliefs by countless thousands of years

[Gardener]

Hm...Here is a fear I have. I fear placing too much of the emotional 'me' in the public domain for fear of personal attack not from friends peers or family or neighbours though all these have played a role at times, whilst I can fly beneath the radar without too many of my weak spots made available to be utilised, then I can continue until I gain more experience. I can already feel that a chunk of the above has several red herrings not least of which is a fear of being criticised, also it is a bit on the lazy side. To be heard and validated as Robert says is of vital importance for anyone and especially for children.

The second part of this fear is less easy to explain, here I go... The 'matrix' has a status-quo which leaves one alone if it does not sense any ripples. Leaving aside people in the general sense, the general law of the matrix can utilise any non aware person to act against another, as an attack vector. This zero sum game we are in throws up equal measures of positive and negative occurences. But once a person enters the 'forest perrilous' to use another myth as a metaphor, and makes a conscious decision to awaken and become outside of the general law, (and clean up the unconscious) the matrix moves into operation. I am kinda scared of this aspect. I know very little about who I am in 'really', I only know who I think I am.

I can say that consciously I have no fear of FE, I think the roller coaster over the weekend was more a wrenching from what I could and 'should' be doing personally as oppose to what I am or am not doing. Ok the 'should' is a bit questionable it could be an interject.

[Gardener]

I so agree with you here, I am familiar with the writer, and yes the recent 'religions' are mere shadows written on the wall by comparison. Non the less have had a powerful effect on society. I have no real evidence of previous civilisations but there are many ancient oral traditions which point in that direction. This may be a bit off topic but it IS related.

g

Amadeus said:
the reason:

Perhaps the most accomplished analyst of mythology in modern times was the late Mircea Eliade, chairman of the Department of History of Religions at the University of Chicago, and editor of the Encyclopedia of Religion. From his meticulous, lifelong survey of the subject, professor Eliade drew a stunning conclusion: literally every component of early civilizations--from religion to art and architecture--expressed symbolically the desire to recover and to re-live the lost Golden Age. That which symbolically transported the participant back to the First Time, the Golden Age, was sacred. That which did not was transient and mundane, of no interest.

this archetypal guidance of human societies predates our young abrahamic beliefs by countless thousands of years

[ulli]

The step to Free Energy can be likened to the steps humanity took from candlelight, or oil lamps, to gas light, then electricity.
Whether the duality aspect of this planet will totally disappear is debatable,
but I believe the extremes we are seeing now will be diminished.

As long as we have diversity we will have a spectrum, with opposite poles.
(Hmmm...funny, Robert being a Pole)
But we are on the way, nothing can stop us now. We just have to love those Poles.

[amadeus]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Cq475b-rTg

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

I take full responsibility of the authorship of my "fear" post. It may seem unbelievable but in some exaggerated way it describes me. Three years ago I was not able to imagine that part of FE where we all co-exist peacefully, have not to go to "work" or not use money... I felt uneasy about that "free" part... I look back at old me in disbelief...

[nearing]

I'd like to know what to say to a person who thinks that we shouldn't let the public have 'free energy' because humans can't be trusted not to use it to pillage the Earth.

I see that that the forms of energy we use now are BY FAR the biggest polluters of the planet. But these people think that every single person would want to use the 'FE' to mass consume more and more STUFF, thereby polluting with material waste.

I personally have more faith in humanity. Sure at first, people may start to want things, but I think that would soon wear thin as they realize that the things aren't making them happy.

Anyone else have an answer?

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Nearing,

One of my concerns about free energy is somewhat similar to yours but instead of "stuff", free energy could be used to have "power over". So while still in this "I win you lose" or "might is right" paradigm, fee energy could be used as a tool to get power over other people.

That being said this has probably happened already. The GC have this tech and keep it for themselves, because if we would have it too, it would quickly be game over .

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

Those good posts are bringing up more than I can respond to right now. Sorry about that. I am working the killer hours right now. I could have long discussions about Greer, Bearden, Brian, Adam and so on. The Godzilla reality that Greer describes I believe is accurate in great measure. A lot of what Greer, Bearden, and Adam have described lines up with my experiences and those around me. It is part of the conundrum.

I warn people about chatting up friends, family, and co-workers about FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#telling

I have watched friendships end, family members get estranged and careers end by playing that game. It is dangerous. Yes, Gardener, the “Matrix” reacts to anybody waking up. I saw that in my mystical days; when anybody committed to the spiritual path, all hell broke loose in their lives. Amp that reaction up by an order of magnitude or three, and you get an idea of what pursuing FE is like. Not for the timid, naïve newbies, inventors, capitalists, and so on. I watched “tough guys” crumble in seconds on the FE path, when the going got tough. Your fears are not unreasonable. Also, FE is not really about FE. FE really is about turning the corner and manifesting heaven on Earth, or blowing it up, and so on. Once people begin to glimpse it, everything that they thought was important in their lives begins to look pretty inconsequential. That is part of the peril, and that is a big reason why there is so much knee-jerk denial of FE. I have also seen people get swept away by the potential:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#grandeur

and so on. The advent of FE would be the biggest event in history, by far, and how each of us interfaces with it is part of the allure and peril. You really can’t go back to your “normal” life when you drink it in a little bit. That is part of the terrain, and the reactions you will get are anything but half-hearted. At some level, anybody who encounters it has some notion of what the issue’s magnitude is, however dimly they may perceive it.

I am going to be trying to help people go deep, and for those who get there, there is not going to be any chatting up people on the street about FE. You can’t get there in chats, or even really begin. For instance, the objection of we would just make more stuff and turn Earth into an episode of Wall-E evidences the TV-watcher level of awareness. All metals are already recycled, and always have been, and FE means no more waste, because everything can easily be recycled. When people make objections like that, they are projecting all sorts of assumptions onto the situation that FE makes obsolete. There is nothing wrong with “stuff.” One fair-sized asteroid can provide all the “stuff” that humanity could ever wish for, and nothing on Earth would be harmed to get it, and that is just one way to do it. Again, that is not a ten minute conversation. I deal with aspects of it in my work:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#can1

but plan to do it far more in my upcoming essay.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm

Well, Robert, call me surprised. If you want to post something from the “old you,” you are welcome to, but it is almost a straw man exercise, is it not? You can rebut where that old you was coming from, I think. Many negative assumptions girded those musings, as you know. All logical arguments proceed from their assumptions.

Yes, Ilie, as you know, the Big Boys don’t want that one to happen, because their game would quickly end. Everybody who plays at the high levels and interacts a little with the Big Boys understands that.

Gotta go.

Best,

Wade

[Referee]

Do you honestly think the US Military dose not utilize free energy?!?

[jcocks]

Think deeper than the US military (Well it's quite possible they utilise some aspects of free energy and aren't even aware of it! It's possible that even we may be utilizing alien technology in our computers, phones, etc.. and not be the slightest bit aware of it!)

[Buck]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Robert J. Niewiadomski (here)
If we were all angels without killer instinct there would be no way anybody could be tricked into joining military or sending soldiers abroad...

How often can you hear somebody shouting I'll kill you!" in anger? How often have you seen children playing with toy guns (nerf, waterguns, airguns, storm trooper's blasters etc.) aim at each other and pulling triggers? How often have you seen people playing paintball? Untill we won't stop this hidden "trigger pulling" conditioning we are not going to use FE. Last thing. Why on Earth most promoted kids movies are always about neverending violent fight for peace? Can't you see a pattern unfolding into adulthood here? We let our governments (OUR employees!) send soldiers to "fight for peace" (and oil) or "fight terror" (with terror)...

If it is not real killer instinct then it is that military conditioning that makes us easy prey for manipulators... This anger path is more obvious more accesible more instinctive more automatic than lambs path... Oh what a softie i am...

well lets disect your examples:

I think you'll find you agree with me, but perhaps haven't explored it fully.

lets change your last statement around a bit. it's not JUST military conditioning, as you said, children are doing this, we are conditioned to do this from day ONE! and its MOSTLY about duality; it all comes down to duality.

Us vrs them etc.. this is the root of it all, if you notice, no games played in school are "inclusive" they are alway EXCLUSIVE, two teams, 1 winner, 1 looser, (we'll skip ties for now). now expand this duality indoctrination to an entire life (or at least the MOST IMPORTANT YEARS of life) and you'll see why its so easy to "trick" us into betraying our nature. its furhtered in later life through orginised sports, elections, anything on TV etc.. duality is pushed at us ALL THE TIME, police in the US use RED and BLUE lights (perfect example of duality for many reasons) and ever notice that the red flashes on one side then the blue on the other (and the other way around).. police and military are the peak expression of duality.
(for an exelent explination of why this happens, watch this AMAZING presentation from the 2011 freeyourmind conference: http://freeviewdocumentaries.com/201...e-mark-passio/ )

this is a system that has been in place for a long time because it works so well, when we are not at peace with ourselfs, when we are constantly in a dualistic state, we are EASILY lead through logical fallacies to one conclusion or another, then you simply put someone in a state of fear (easy when your being shot at or, "PSYCed" up via speach) and let the fight, flight or freeze take over (thats why there's so few "trigger pullers" not many are "fighters" most are flight / freeze).

Does this make sense?

My ultimate point here is that people are not expressing themselfs as people, they are expressing themselfs as extreme conflict in everyway, duality at its finnest & THAT is what we must end. so really I'm arguing semantecs with you, you say killer instincts, I say dualistic indoctronation; but my concept is a learned behavior, yours seems to be an inherent one (and I do disagree with that).

if nothing else we can agree to disagree, but give what I've written some thought; it may help you raise your spirits about humanity; it wont be easy, but IT IS possible to change!

this is all slightly OT, yet not really I supose, we are discussing why to not be (or be) afraid of "free" energy.

Hey TargeT this is great- so clear, well said! The perspective of duality and conflict is so deeply rooted in us, ingrained, deliberately reinforced over and over again in every possible way imaginable. It is one of the more powerful falsehoods that blind us to the true potential in every moment. And as such, it is relevant in this thread- by extension, what force is necessary to overcome to bring free energy into our collective awareness? Fear. Fear and ignorance of our true potential.

[Buck]

my fear is I post off topic on the wrong thread and suffer the wrath of Ilie

[noxon medem]

- so

If there is a way ( here )
This is not hell .
( would be good to get that cleared up ..)