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    Thanks very much Ishtar... great stuff. I notice that you posted your reply at 20:09

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    Quote Posted by markoid (here)
    Thanks very much Ishtar... great stuff. I notice that you posted your reply at 20:09
    Well, I only had to copy and paste.

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    Hehe... I meant that I added 2+0+0+9.....*cue twilight zone music*

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    Quote Posted by markoid (here)
    Hehe... I meant that I added 2+0+0+9.....*cue twilight zone music*
    Oh!! Now we really are down the rabbit hole!

    I love it when synchronicity happens. Thanks for pointing it out.

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    Thankyou for your presence Ishtar
    An ominous spirit was felt sweeping the land on Friday evening.
    Has there been any word as of who was at play in Somerset?

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    Quote Posted by mahalall (here)
    Thankyou for your presence Ishtar
    An ominous spirit was felt sweeping the land on Friday evening.
    Has there been any word as of who was at play in Somerset?
    Living in Glastonbury is a bit like living Diagon Alley ... there's always some magician up to something!

    Can you tell me more about this ominous spirit? Did you see it or sense it? Where was it sensed? And how would you describe it?
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    Quote Leaving in Glastonbury is a bit like living Diagon Alley ... there's always some magician up to something!
    Can you tell me more about this ominous spirit? Did you see it or sense it? Where was it sensed? And how would you describe it?
    hum the magician circus of glastonbury

    19.20 (GMT) friday driving on a motorway (northwest), a quiet moment, collecting oneself for a busy night. The spirit was carried in the wind and rain. No visual perception just sensation of prevailing doom the presence was not from within but was pushing aggressively did not appear or to be directed to this individual. Had no time or energy to entertain and diverted it's attention with a mantra or two. On it travelled. Reached base when a question arose who was evoking that?

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    Quote Living in Glastonbury is a bit like living Diagon Alley ... there's always some magician up to something!
    Can you tell me more about this ominous spirit? Did you see it or sense it? Where was it sensed? And how would you describe it?
    hum the magician circus of glastonbury

    19.20 (GMT) friday driving on a motorway (northwest), a quiet moment, collecting oneself for a busy night. The spirit was carried in the wind and rain. No visual perception just sensation of prevailing doom the presence was not from within but was pushing aggressively did not appear or to be directed to this individual. Had no time or energy to entertain and diverted it's attention with a mantra or two. On it travelled. Reached base when a question arose who was evoking that?
    Thanks for sharing that. But I see you're further north up the country, near Lancaster. So I'm wondering why you think this entity emanated from Somerset? Did it somehow 'tell you that'?

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    Quote Thanks for sharing that. But I see you're further north up the country, near Lancaster. So I'm wondering why you think this entity emanated from Somerset? Did it somehow 'tell you that'
    No direct perception of place just an Avalon calling.
    Time to sit, so shall the answer reveal, i'll share when the vision arises.

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    Thanks for sharing that. But I see you're further north up the country, near Lancaster. So I'm wondering why you think this entity emanated from Somerset? Did it somehow 'tell you that'
    No direct perception of place just an Avalon calling.

    Time to sit, so shall the answer reveal, i'll share when the vision arises.


    Are you talking about the 35 car pile up on the M5 motorway in Somerset that killed 7 people last Friday?
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    They are usurpers. Take Britians Royal Family its obvious they subtly usurped from their rightful throne holders of Great Britian because....they're all German....lol. That's obvious--- the underlying mechanics of how that occured go back thousands of years.

    Caveats: I personally have not witnessed a reptile. I often wonderd why I had not besides at an energetic level when I observed 'mediums' communicating with entities that were obviously reptilian in appearance. As noted elsewhere one who doesn't work at that vibratory level or is ' tempted' by it typically doens't 'see' reptiles . I'd be concerned for my state of mind if I did without deliberately stepping down into that sort of density without consicously intending to. I have felt people with reptilian energy though. Common everyday street level people and not very often but..

    .There are many hybrids in the world. They are many in the world carrying purer non-hybrid blood. There are all sorts of species hidden under the skin . Human form allows all sorts to blend in.

    We think we are all the same, all fashioned or created equally. We're not.

    Science tells us that there is a reptlian brain in all of us. But how do we know this to be true? Unless all our heads are cut open and autopsied how would we know. One is going based on what they are told. Not for what they have experienced themselves. Knowing that its very unlikely that mass biopsies and autopsies are going to be performed this sort of deception is very easy to carry out.

    Why this is not discussed more is because of ego-fear primarily and the notion that we are all created equally when the reality of it, the observational reality, is that we are not. When people became free-er in objectively examing each other's differences back in the sixties and seventies 'they' , shortly after, instituted a policy called Political Correctiness to curb what were observing. So that noticing that perhaps a person of African American persuaion had a different timbre of voice, they were more intangibly 'soulful', a different sort of intangible expression became racist. It became wrong and stereotypical. Basically they instituted a policy that if we didn't pretend that everyone was the same it was racist, it became unlawful to notice bloodline, and racial differences.

    You think that's an accident. It's not. Not everyone was created equally. That is not to say entites are not entitled to equal rights, life, liberty and happiness its saying we are not made equally. And that is OBVIOUS. And to pretend that we are , and that means that hybrid and non-human species can easily operate out in the open. Not everyone is human not as we know humans to be. Not every species is operating under the same value systems because they are not engineered to do so. Not all humans are the same, human is a physical form. There's a lot hiding inside that form that is not human ,not as we know 'human' to be. There are people out that look human, they have a human form. But we know the form is the least important part.


    The formation of a reptilian brain , as a very base organic ego type functioning unit would be genetic.Form related. Any speicies or race that was adept at dna and genetics could fiddle around and insert the formation of a reptilian mind into ....anyplace. WHY they would do something like that or why they would choose NOT to do something like that is up to you decide. I thnk its pretty obvious.

    Not all the worlds population is possessed of a reptilain mind the same way not all people are not possessed of the same bloodlines.. It's an automatic value we assigned ASSUMING that we are all created equally. The Annunaki or whatever they called themselves were genetic adept. Genesis-orgins-genetics. We didn't all come from the same creation matrix (matric-matriarch). Could they develop the formation of reptlian brain. Sure. Ego driven , hoarding , greed, all attributes of the reptilian brain. Does the current monarchies possess those same sorts of attributes. Sure.

    Lots of speices have been created all hiding under a base human form. We once had creator speices, slave races, races that rebelled, hybrids. Lots of variants

    The Druids were very well informed about DNA and genetics. They were a creator speices. The Druids were not people who chose to be 'religious priests, it was a bloodline. It just expressed itself. A Druid like a shaman is not taught, its a state of being. It just occurs and begins to express itself . Sha-man- hu-man. Think about that. Wo-man. Man. Prefixes are very important (smile)

    The Druids understood not eveyrone was created equally, or made the same way, they came from a bloodline and were among the creator species or people and they often times held thrones. I'm just giving you one perspective, druid people (creator species) existed elsewhere in the world in different cultures and different names). Consequently.....we know that most druids were wiped out not because they were pagan, but because they were sprung from a certain sort of ancient race that would oppose the usurption of their heredity bloodline. The Vatican is obviously a kingdom and it was going to destroy other thrones and replace them with those who served the ..Vatican and who held that throne, as one example.


    Those who currenty are holding thrones are doing so in a way that is obvious that the reptile mind is dominate as opposed to the Eld-red (old bloods) that held thrones in a nuturing creative way. They were creator species that nutured their creations. This is where the true concept of a King and Queen being Patriahcal and Matriachal came from, where the monarchy were like parents. Are faery tales of kindly giving kings and queens are not stories.

    They had expressions, by their own design, these imposter throne holders only mimic. A show of concern while they engage in reptile mind practices. Greed, hoarding, dominance. Talking to their children (subjects) with great concern but treating them like slaves. Queen Mum.

    So what do you think? . How they usurped was among other things through the formation of the reptilian mind. They are not the ONLY race / or species that played with genetics.

    A much different topic of discussion how certain bloodlines emerged into druids, and sha-mans and other 'by-expression-humanoids,so I wont take the thread any more off topic but to reply to your question. The druids made sure their bloodlines became self persering through various means because they were creation species. Those who are not ....have to use other means , sleight of hand tricks to keep what is not rightfully theirs.


    Quote Posted by shamanseeker (here)
    Quote Posted by Ishtar (here)
    So are there evil Anunnaki? Well, there could be Anunnaki that are energy in the wrong place, but if there are, I haven't encountered them. Further, I truly do believe that all talk of the Sumerian gods is a psi-ops campaign to frighten and control us and it is only effective because we've forgotten shamanism and also how to read allegories in mythology (for which we have Christianity to thank).

    I hope this helps.
    Thanks for your answers, Ishtar. I agree with what you say. I was just wondering about whether you think that our leaders and royal families are hybrids. From what I've understood they are reptilian-Annunaki hybrids and they aren't exactly working for our good at the moment. I'm certain that the royal bloodlines are reptilian because I have seen this with my own eyes. I suppose it doesn't really matter but I'm curious to know if these reptilians are Annunaki or not.

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    I personally have not witnessed a reptile.
    This is continually what I'm finding. It's quite disappointing. I've also found the same on my blog. People say to me 'yes, there are definitely reptiles or reptile-hybrids' but when I ask them 'Have you seen them? What was it like? Where did you see them? What did they say" and so on, the reply always comes back that they haven't actually seen one, but that they believe it anyway.

    I have chosen not to believe what I cannot experience through my own five senses on this Earth, or even this solar system ...

    I see plenty of strange creatures in my journeys between worlds or dimensions ... there is every kind of life imaginable. But so far, in my experience, the dimensional walls are holding and keeping us all in our rightful domains. If those walls came down, we would be in utter and terrifying chaos... but I'm not expecting that to happen.

    That there is a global elite which is manipulating us with scare stories, like this reptile one, as they have done for thousands of years, is not in doubt. But in my experience, they are human manipulators.

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    Thank you for the info Ishtar and welcome. In the article Harry Potter and the Deathly Shallows there was reference to the redemption of family blood. Where would I find more information on this as the subject has been in my field of awareness for quite some time.
    Best Wishes.

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    Hello motherlove,

    Thank you for reading my blog and asking that very important question.

    However, it's not one I can give quick answers to, as it's an ongoing piece of work with me with which I'm also using alchemy to transform my DNA.

    I will say however, that I'm working with my Ancestors in order to achieve the redemption of the family blood.

    You might already know that shamanic journeying techniques put you in touch with your Ancestors, and I've met mine going back thousands of years. There was a particular curse on the family bloodline because a smith (my ancestor Smith on my father's mother's side) offended a shaman. I removed this curse on Samhain in 2010 and I was sent the information that it was removed instantly, as I threw it into the Samhain fire. But it had taken a lot of work by the spirits to orchestrate that event and everyone had to be in the right place at the time.

    All I can recommend, if you want to do this work, is that you contact your Ancestors through shamanic trance, and they will lead you. They may possibly be already leading you, by attracting you to the read my article about it.

    Lovely to talk to you,

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    Well yes when we told something we want to believe we can create a reality from it. A perception. Thats how all our belief systems work, which why I stay away from belief and beleiving. WHY though? I mean I observe people rolling around in this whole reptile thing as if its the most important thing in the world--- even people who are well known 'authorities'. If they were really an authority on the matter they'd see how unimportant it is. Tell us what the mechanics behind the whole reptile thing are instead of making such a issue over the reptiles themselves.

    But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

    but those who haven't but have chosen to shape their beliefs based on an idea instead of experience tend to make things worse. And that is by design. It's been designed to happen that way. These reptilian energies have a purpose by design and it is meant to be merely a distraction. That's why its so ego dense and ego manipulative its meant to influence fear mechanisms. I've seen whole threads in here devoted to the 'importance' of reptilians , that just giving them more importance and more power to distract from something that may be a more productive. Depending on how strongly our higher intelligence is expressed it tends to direct us to experiences relative to that expression. Sure its fine to experience these things for informational purposes but the kicker is how much importance we attach it. Its' very important to know how these this whole reptile paradigm works. But that doesn't mean we have to attach importance to reptiles. The imporant thing is who and why this occuring because other constructs are built in the same way.

    One aspect of understanding this whole paradigm is about morphology, projections--shapeshifting. Perhaps not at a physical level most morphing is conducted at a level that others can't percieve. But ....Shapeshifting is known to run along certain bloodlines (dna and genetics )but its not just reptiles that have this sort morphologial manifestion but REPTILE is the current 'flavor'. to distract from other manifestations. That is what they are intended for.

    I shapeshift. Its only imporant to me, its a self presevation mechanism, as certain bloodlines have aspects that are self preserving by design in various ways. Gentics and DNA are in part responsible for preserving 'human' population. Any species that has dna has a self preservation function in place. What I shift into isn't imporant and its not imporatant outisde my realms of existence. HOW I'm doing it may be because morphology all works the same way. What one shifts into and why its occuring is imporant. It may mporant to other people HOW I'm doing this. I don't do it to distract I do it to deflect.

    An example: You could look at person who has potential physically and etherically to shift into something that can't be desribed as human (not just reptiles) but not see anything amisss at that moment. When internal or external influence is applied ..they could shift. Sometimes their own density prevents them from doing so. So in one respect i agree with certain dimensions containing their own.

    Its very much about being at the right place at the right time. I depend on my higher intellgience to put me at the right place at the right time and ......since I've not osberved this for myself its not important to me. Neither is it necessary for me to have an obviated physical manifestaion of a reptile. Observing a reptilian manifesation would be the same as watching someone morph into a bear...lol. It doesn't matter what the morph is its how its DONE that is imporant. I already know how this is intiated through my own experience. ....but then again I don't put any importance on them anymore than being just another belief distraction in world raddled from them. Pick your distraction, reptiles, religions what have you. My shapeshifting serves my purpose. Reptilian shapeshigting serves their purpose.

    You can sense that imprint on them though. Even getting their dna to speak to you so you know what their unexpressed nature is . I know person who carries this reptilian aspect and her observable mental, physical, and emotional attributes are that of the reptlian mind. Hoarding, Self absorbed, Selfish, parasitical, false sense of power , false sense of entitlment, fearful she knows what to project all her higher value emotions are manfactured. She'd bless you to your face and stab you in the back the moment you turned around, so her inner landscape her inner dimensions are just....yurk. She is very much built around obfuscating and distraction. All cloaked in a facade of light concepts that she TALKS about and has as a belief system but doesn't express. What have I valued from this. To know. Not attach importance on her.

    This is far beyond ' a human' with some 'issues'. I've never seen her shift etherically or physically so I wasn't sure what to make of her and tossed it up to higher intelligence to let me know if I were on the right track. I know from what I observe but i have to know what I'm observing so I'm not making things worse. That is where my dna helps me , or rather speaks to me.



    So not long after I poised this question ot my higher intelligence, one day this woman approaches me with a DEAD SNAKE skin in her hands and shows it to demonstrate how speical she is to. She attached great meaning to this snake skin in relation to herself and she was right although in the wrong way. I looked at it and then at her and said, Indeed you are. An example of reptiles obscuring the relevancy of Serpents which is related to healing. She's not a healer she's not built for it. A self aborbed person sucks energy which not a healing principal feeding off of those you 'claim' are healing. But she can distract away from demonstrated healing abilities with all her nonsense and she serves her purpose well. That's what she's meant to do. This is simply bringing the whole reptile circus down to street level perception.

    Basically put though, the intent of this whole reptile thing is to fool people. To distract them from something that is real. It's a matter of timing and being the right place at the right time to observe this. This I've observed for myself but it wasn't reptiles they were shifting into but I'm sure the same conditions apply. Same ' magick' different intentions.

    So in one respect I do agree with one's density preventing them from expressing other dimensions of themselves or prohibiting it. And on another ...no I can't.

    In all other respects I disagree, a shaman crosses the boundaries of dimensions so they are not as intact as we'd like to believe and those other higher densities are expressed through shamanic people. We bring them here. One can't say they are entitled to do this and can do this and say that the bondaries contain everything else and those boundaries are only applicable until a shaman crosses them.


    The existence that bounaries between dimensions and densities are breaking down is demonstrated by shamanic people. It's already occurred so I can't deny its happening. I can agree that it causes chaos. We're seeing it now this breakdown in other dimesnional boundaries . Ligher less dense dimensions are expressed through shamanic people. Shamanic people facilitate to break down false constructs in healing others--- those are dense dimensions of a person the shaman is directing to break down that create a person's false reality. De-fragmenting.

    Less dense expression will break down lower form density. Or one can keep empoweing lower form density and it will keep containing. How the matrix prision endures. We know illusions serve a purpose. Because somethign is REAL or not happening or occuring doesn't mean its IMPORTANT though. Real things can serve illusionary purposes.

    That's manifested in a smaller arena when one breaks down the individual density of the inner landscape and something of higher dimensional nature or less dense nature can express. A lot of turmoil is experienced when one's articial constructs , the false beleifs that were imposed on us--a healing crisis or healign chaos--but after the chaos settles a higher form or energy or intellgience can express.


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    This is continually what I'm finding. It's quite disappointing. I've also found the same on my blog. People say to me 'yes, there are definitely reptiles or reptile-hybrids' but when I ask them 'Have you seen them? What was it like? Where did you see them? What did they say" and so on, the reply always comes back that they haven't actually seen one, but that they believe it anyway.

    I have chosen not to believe what I cannot experience through my own five senses on this Earth, or even this solar system ...

    I see plenty of strange creatures in my journeys between worlds or dimensions ... there is every kind of life imaginable. But so far, in my experience, the dimensional walls are holding and keeping us all in our rightful domains. If those walls came down, we would be in utter and terrifying chaos... but I'm not expecting that to happen.

    That there is a global elite which is manipulating us with scare stories, like this reptile one, as they have done for thousands of years, is not in doubt. But in my experience, they are human manipulators.[/QUOTE]

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    Hello 9Eagle9

    Gosh, you've written a lot .... and far too much for me to comment on in any depth if I'm not to be here until Christmas.


    But I would like to respond to this:

    "The existence that boundaries between dimensions and densities are breaking down is demonstrated by shamanic people..." because it runs entirely counter to my experience.

    The boundaries between dimensions and densities are not breaking down and are strong as they've ever been, and there is no intention that they will break down in the future. The spirits in charge of the morphology of our Creation would never allow it and neither is there a single human being on this Earth capable of dissolving them.

    Why you're seeing more shamans now, taking journeys through the 'veils', is not because it is a new phenomenom. It is a revival of a phenomenon that's as old as the hills. It is a technique that was practised by our ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago. This is why you so often find that oldest scriptures, like the Vedas, were written by rishis (Indian shamans) who say that this lore was revealed to them by spirits. You also find this with the Dogon and other indigenous cultures. But unfortunately it gets misunderstood by those with no experience in shamanism and miscast and portrayed as extraterrestrials arriving in spaceships to help man understand about botany, agriculture, minerology, and so on. Even now the South American shamans learn about herbal medicine by communing with the spirits of the plant. This is the way all our earliest ancestors learned ~ direct from spirits through the shamanic experience by travelling through the veils ~ and that involved following certain protocols to cross through the gates. It was these protocols that got lost over the last 2,000 years with first Christianity, and then modern science, both religions (in my view) that either block the way to Spirit or say that Spirit is evil or, in the case of science, that Spirit doesn't exist.

    So for 2,000 years, the way has been blocked through the walls between the dimensions ...not because the walls were thicker than they are now but because the protocols and in fact, all the teachings were lost.

    Thankfully, though, they were only buried and shamans like me work with the spirits to uncover that learning again, so that we can teach others how to do it.

    I really can't make this point strongly enough because I don't want this to be something else that's picked up Psy-Ops and made into a movie to scare us into submission. The walls between the dimensions are not thinning or disappearing. They're as strong as they ever were.

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    I have no experience, myself, in what you're talking about, Shamanseeker, so I cannot believe in it. I also don't believe entities from one dimension (us) can mate with entities of another dimension (Anunnaki).

    I do believe however that we are ruled by predatory bloodlines which includes the royal families of Europe, the Rothchilds, the Warburgs, the Morgans and the Rockefellers etc, but that they are entirely human. I also believe that Psy-Ops campaigns, instituted on their behalf for thousands of years, are to keep us in line and the Anunnaki one and 11-11-11 is the latest one.

    I'd be interested to hear what you mean by "I've seen it with my own eyes", because you do realise, I'm sure, that YouTube videos can be altered with special effects to show pretty well anything.

    Hi Ishtar,
    It wasn't a You-tube video. I know a woman who is a direct descendent of the royal Stuarts. She's a doctor and she said she wanted to help me. She put me on a diet that would have ruined my health completely if I'd continued with it. I realized in time what she was doing and she got really angry with me and threatened me: she said I was going to get diabetes and die. I got angry and stopped seeing her. I saw her one day and she shapeshifted!

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    But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

    Hi 9eagle9,
    Maybe it isn't that important if they are reptilian or not but if you saw one shapeshifting, I'm sure you'd being asking questions yourself. I am very interested in shamanism and would like to study it. I think it's perfectly normal for me to ask Ishtar about this as she said she doesn't believe that they exist, don't you?
    Best wishes

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    But neither do I dismiss people who have claimed to have seen them for themselves ,based on my own experiences....I can understand how they are experiencing those sorts of things. That doesn't mean its important though. The same way I understand why those who have never had the experience believe in reptiles without having the experience of them. The same reason they believe in religions or believe anything. False idols. They are getting somethign from it. Its sorta the whole devil concept all over again. Veneration through fear and temptation. Succumbing to an authority on the matter. The same way we've always been duped. Not to say it doesn't exist it just doesn't exist the way people have imagined it to exist. One may see a reptile but do they really know what they are seeing?

    Hi 9eagle9,
    Maybe it isn't that important if they are reptilian or not but if you saw one shapeshifting, I'm sure you'd being asking questions yourself. I am very interested in shamanism and would like to study it. I think it's perfectly normal for me to ask Ishtar about this as she said she doesn't believe that they exist, don't you?
    Best wishes
    The Shaman that has worked with me has told me of them(Reptiles) she as also alluded to the creation of the devil around 36,000 years ago

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