Here and Now...What's Happening?

[astrid]

Interesting posts on Chiron everyone, thanks!!
@ Lisab, i always had a close relationship with horses as a child, and have one as a power animal also.
Such amazing animals.

Ok... updating on fast.

Today day 18, has been my toughest day yet.
I had to go out for supplies today, and this time,
being around food really threw me, and i have been
hungry, well, more like staving all day.
Also being " out there" in the masses was bordering
on painful, so i must be really sensitive at the moment.

I'm determined to get to 21 days though, so i will
soldier on. Really noticing the weight loss this week,
none of my clothes are fitting me. I hit a bit of a self
doubt phase , but that was fleeting. Not with the fast
more about people, a confidence thing, came out of
nowhere too.

I'm still on a major cleaning frenzy, i guess as within
so without, makes sense.

I have a guest staying on the weekend , so i will have
to plan my return to eating wisely. Typically when i have
guests i cook up a feast, so i will have to do some
research on some compromise meals.
Or maybe go out somewhere Thai or Japanese.
Usually good for healthy choices.

Hopefully i will be more stable tomorrow.

[ulli]

Choices and options. The freer one is, the more options there are and decisions have to be made.

With a long wish list there is no issue...I know what I want and I go after it.
But what happens when I stop trusting my own desires and wishes?
Or when all my needs are met and I don't need glamour, status, gadgets, and got rid of my neediness?

When I set out on my career in fashion it was easy...I usually wanted a look I hadn't seen before
and I just created it. All the textures and colors were in those London wool shops...
and also, being in London where individuality is highly rated, I soon had success
and for years my stuff sold faster than I could produce it.
Then the first trap...my look became stereo-typed. My customers would not let me move on;
they wanted the same old look year after year.
My new designs and ideas ended up getting stuck on the rails, and soon had to be sold at cost.

The second trap was my obligation to my workers...the production was never allowed to go down,
or there would be people without work.
People who were dependent on me, and always let me know it.

I see today's paradigm shift and the Free Energy issue in a similar light.
Unless Astrid gains world status as a leader in how to survive on very little food,
and Modwiz becomes a world leader in how to live in a tent,
I don't know what will happen to all those families with small children while the current jobs market is being dismantled.
Without the rich who are bored and love to shop just to entertain themselves arts and crafts would just disappear.
Yesterday at the local mall I watched people buying bracelets which I sold wholesale for $5 and the kiosk sold for $15, which in a Chinese dollar store would sell 3 for a dollar. But these customers would never go near a Chinese dollar store.
For the sake of everyone I still hope there won't be a financial meltdown.
Maybe the ones who are now looking at the fall-out of such a scenario will be inspired to come up with a good transition solution.

[Carmody]

My Chart is Chironic in the extreme. I carry my wound of the past (was) lives but I am NOW (Not Was) and I use it to leverage the self, to help others. But the wound never heals. It drives me. I recognize what it is, but I leave it open, to understand the pain thought ecstasy (Kundalini) which is the Door of co-joining (Kundalini) as it give me access to the realms of the other spaces and places, the dimensional spaces, and I use that connection to raise others and free them. Sometimes directly. And so on. The balance of the mars-moon-venus in my chart helps give me the balance to handle the opening of that door, and process and direct that energy, in or out.

Venus is a personal planet, the planet of love, the heart, mars is transpersonal (external but still close to the personal, mars next to earth), war, affects all, but still created by the emotions spinning around humans..just as back at love, the personal, the moon spins those energies around humans at the personal level. The balance of Love, personal, heart, internal, with the externalization, one layer down in effect (mars), into the animal herd-all emotions, the animal response but still a personal emotion.(mars)

'We externalize(mars) the internal (Venus) via and through the instinctual body (emotions-moon). the moon..spins. Out of kilter, offset input and offset output. Never centered. Until we balance ourselves, living in knowing that the body-emotions spin things out of kilter..and then recognize this through and through, and live and act in that knowing of the spin-offset..until we live in the balance and knowing of this spin-offset filter (moon-emotions/'in and out', we will never have the balance to be clear. Every missive we fire and every bit that comes in, has a twisted trajectory.

Remember a comment of mine about how the body is organized as edifices go. emotions came first in the tree of life. The branches/leaves of intellect..are built on the branches of the trunk, which is the emotions. All in and all out is filtered and shaped by the body-emotions. In totality. First step to freedom is becoming that as a state of knowing and being. to compensate for this primary and baseline two way filter/alteration. Unknowns are always analyzed/shifted/colored via emotions, first. In exactly the same way we grew as a young edifice/body/avatar/duality.

The tune I brought in earlier is entirely chironic and was a joke and truth on multiple, multiple levels. It was no casual yootoob link with little meaning: "I feel better than James Brown" (a take on one of his most famous tunes, "I Feel Good!" (I knew that I would now)"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-TxHI...eature=related

When the externalized pressures (mars) are scratching at the door, exiting our emotions (the spinning moon, knocks our correct response out of kilter, in on direction), and then exiting our emotions about love and what is it's personal representation (Venus), we can get tangled or spun by our emotions, the spinning moon. (Note the moon and it's orbit is entirely artificial and not one thing in science can explain it, and never has. the moon is astronomy's biggest enigma and should not and cannot exist. yet we seem to ignore that. ask yourself why. We go outside and look at the beauty of the moon.

right.

Not quite.

The moon is the reason you are always twisted in your emotions. It is an outward 3d manifestation of it's dimensional effect on your timeline/being/'stageplay of life'.

Which is the problem of war for personal love and internal fear, externalized in an impersonal way, thus our lack of internal connection to externalization of the event involving mars -war.

Then we spin in our emotions (the moon spins us about, we never score a perfect hit, it is shifted) created by this trans-personal externalized group situation of war. for human growth, war is a horrible thing... for human growth, if one can get there, war is a healing thing. A growing thing. Much to our horror, it indeed is. Only the unevolved wants, or fails to recognize it's danger. Yet this comes for us all, at times in our lives.

Which is the why of my linking of that tune, in the other thread. in the lyrics...and in the band/tune title. it's a bad road, I've been there, it drives me, in some ways.

'Don't turn there. don't take it'. It leads right down into the swamps." ..."You all ain't from around here, are yuh? where you boys trying to get to? the swamp? alright...."


https://youtube.com/watch?v=0GkkZ...layer_embedded

The name of the band BooZoo (ghost)(duality being in/on earth). Title of song. "Keep going" (don't turn there)(leads right down into the swamps)

Go back to my comment about the 1,000% characteristic of the moon's sheer and impossible for science to ignore IMPOSSIBILITY. Yet they accept it for some reason. Why is that?

Hidden in plain sight.

duality being. Multiple layers. I hope some begin to get it now. Micheal Newton. Dolores Cannon. etc.

The beatings will continue until the morale improves; the morale will continue until the beatings improve. Both are true.

[9eagle9]

Working in the psyche of people you find a lot of roles or shadows such as LisaB described. The emphasis is we find something we don't 'like'. Why we don't like that role or self is usually because we've established a belief around it. If one had found a 'witch' self inhabiting thier psyche and had the established distasteful beliefs about a witch what are we doing to that aspect of ourself. We find ourselves comparing it to something we do like and finding it lacking, which is re-establishing wounds. Denial of self. How is that self expressing itself in one's daily life or does one even notice?. People like the idea of dimensional or multidimensional selves as long as that self is something they find appealing---,in comparing like and dislike values to them we are squelching multi dimensional or facets of one's self in composite. How many more 'appealing' selves are going to express themselves if they are observing our treamtment of what is viewed ' a shadow' self.

What is it that we find so unappealing about our shadows? They perhaps were not even shadows until we began to view them that way. Hidden aspects of ourselves, occult selves. What is hidden.

What is it doing exactly that we find we don't 'like' it? We keep perpetrating the wound on it and perhaps it keeps rebelling in some fashion? we keep insisting we don't like it and so it acts out?

The entire Chiron aspect is interesting as it correlates to those selves which are either based in experience or wounds that need to be reconciled. Reconciliation or re-inegration of self. Commonly it is the wounded inner child that is not allowed to expess itself because we are judging its wounds based on adult comparisons. Adult-erating it.

On a broader level we collectively were inflicted with a psychic wound or trauma. Curious how in our collective history we don't recall much prior to the flood. What happened during the flood and is that time coincident with this collective psyche trauma? It would seem like it if we were much more innocent (unwounded) and our established physical world suddenly came crashing round our heads. If my roof collapses today and the walls were to fall inward, I'd be forgetting myself for a time. Maybe I'd my knickers in such a wad over this crashing down of my established world I'd forget to go back and re-establish myself from to the point prior to when my house collasped on me?

Much of our positing is about finding out who we really are. We don't know because we don't have the recall, and if we had a marker for it like a fragment of self we may deny it. Or find it distasteful.

Listening to people still complaining about liberals in politics (to which I claw at my face and think 'are we STILL there!?) it would seem that if we want to eradicate liberalism then you must first abate all traces of conservatism in yourself. You'd no longer have that conservative self to react to a different emotional and mindset of liberalism.

Much of the problems that come along with that is we start judging who we really are. And who we really are without all the adult-erations or adulteries, the adult mind imposing judgement on the inner child? What were we Pre-flood? Who were we then, how did we express ourselves? We can't know consciously, there's little to be found of historical evidence and what we do find is a ....implications of spirtually and technologically advanced cultures.

Once we've dealt with wounds inflicted in this lifetime one is better able to view the collective wound that was imposed on us in the past that cut us off from who we really are or caused us not to have conscious recall of it? How the world really is instead of how we believe the world and ourselves (in relation to it). And the mechanisms we keep re-entrenching in. For ten years I've been watching people describe dreams, portents and 'omens' of great catclysms and positioning them in the future---most of our 2012 predictions are made about great natural catasrophes occuring. What if this is less a predictive event but a recall event of the psyche trauma we once had inflicted on us collectively. We are still reeling from it? I have a friend that has a 'self' she claims makes these sorts of negative predictions and she dislikes that self. I'd have to suggest that she stop dislking that self because its making a predictive event of fire, flood and famine in the future and start respecting it for what it has to tell her of the past. We seem to keep wanting to create another global catastrophe in order to want to work out the sh*t from the last one.

Is the degree of positioning in Chiron in one's individual chart indicative of how much woundedness we are carrying?

It would be interesting if we could know our birthtimes in lives previous,to mark the 'degree' of progress we've made. Or if one spent a lot of time abating the personal and collective wounds (or perhaps viewing our personal state of woundedness as that which composites the collective?) what degree of woundedness would show up in the chart of the next life time? It's all about degrees ultimately isn't it? The degree of woundedness. If we had those birthtimes and even death times of lives previously we'd be charting our degree of progress (or lack of...lol) through time.

[ulli]

Whether we believe in past lives, or that we are the product of childhood experiences, makes little difference once one agrees that the self is infinitely complex.
During those moments when I doubted astrology 'truth' I even thought that perception is everything, just say the word, and wham...we are either in our infinite emotional selves, or our equally infinite intellectual selves. The here and now for me at this moment is about integrating the two most recent posts by Carmody and 9eagle9...
each line I read here brought some mental association into play...
Carmody's post reminded me of what I read in Ingo Swann's book ' Penetration', which is about the moon as an artificial object.
The externalized Martian Moon. Then 9eagle9's post which looks at hurts and emotions, all brought to mind astrological Moon associations...
and the flickering thoughts that arose in me while reading her post were trying to dance with those thoughts Carmody's post had triggered in me....
and make a unified and logical image.

Then relate that image to my Here and Now reality, sitting by the side of the ocean, which has swells so high they make safe swimming impossible.
Water in the planet and water in our bodies; Dr. Emoto said the ratio was the same.
Infinite microcosm and infinite macrocosm....stretching away in all directions
me in the center.
All that is left to say is
I LOVE YOU ALL!

[Carmody]

global scaling, as above so below.

Human harms animal in state of unknowing. this must end.

The animal knows only that it is harmed.

As above, so below. Global scaling. Universal scaling.

This place, this school. It harms it's students.

The ones running this school are in the same boat as Humans who harm animals.

They are not a godhead. They learn as well.

This experiment, this school....MUST END.

It must be allowed to evolve. No more twisting, no more shifting, no more repetition.

No matter how, like the farming of animals..no matter how profitable it has been. The torturing of this flesh......must end.

[9eagle9]

It is very much a scale that ripples out from an individual level to a global level. As it is above so it is below . Everything going on 'out' there is occuring outside our windows and internally.

We'll all watched two people engaged in horrendous, wounding relationships with each other. They break up then they get back together , repeatedly getting back together trying to make things work. But they can't. They are attempting to work out their individual wounds not their relationship. Their woundedness is attracting them to each other. Similar wounds. The relationship is the just the platform they've chosen to thrash out similar wounds. Their wounds attracted them to each other. We need someting to stand on be it a relationship or the earth in order to work our crap out. A common frame of reference as it were.

Eventually a state of exhaustion occurs, the relationship dies, and they intiate new relationships with others with similar wounds and the Cycle starts all over again.

That's on a small micro-cosm way but it sure sounds like the cycle of reincarnation to me.

We have found that we break re-curring patterns of wound relationships by abating our wounds. We stop agreeing to get in the same relationships over and over again , with only the names and faces changes. All abused people know that the only way to get out of their chain of abusive relationships was to change or rather heal something in themselves.

[9eagle9]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QoOgD0f68FQ

Since LoTR was used earlier upstream......

Our Chiron of the movie, (Theoden) posed a question 'what happened to the horse and rider.'

A better quetion might be posed as to what happens when the horse and rider are united again.

[meeradas]

here and now, pondering if i should tell you.
Deciding against it, as too tired, and hungry, after
yesterday's motorcycle ride thru the wonderful late autumn woods,
sun, setting over the hills, the valleys already full of ground-hugging mist.
Awesome views. What a reward. Am woohooing twice, under the helmet [never do that, normally].
Mother be praised.
Hot bath in the hotel to return to normal body temperature, then off to the
castle, for a friends' reunion, and some real "satsang". Letting all weight fall, rejoice in absolute silence. The real food.

Riding back through the mist-turned-thickest-fog at night,
sight about 50 feet only, high beams making it worse:
Driving thru light [without sight]!
Around 3 degrees centigrade, and i have to drive visor up, as the fog completely steams it shut.
Ever drove more than 50 mph without eye protection? NICE.
[let me add: the above 50 mph only for a very short portion of the ride... am not too suicidal these days!]

Ice crystals in brows and beard, ha. 'sit Christmas yet? Red eyes speak of sth else...

Lookin' forward to "same thing, different", next Monday.

HUGFEST, folks!

PS: Meal, now!

[astrid]

Great posts ,
Abusive relationship cycles, know that one
only too well Same man only different pants .
More challenging to over come as it was all so
"normal" for me coming from a war zone family .
But yes eventually figured that it was all about me
and nothing about them .

I'm seeing the chaos in the world as simply being a
reflection of the collective inner chaos. Which is why
these days mostly I work on the inside . It's all a dream
only some dreams are more solid than others. It's through
accessing those higher states that we are able to dream
new dreams into existence. Such things were previously
only available to the chosen few. But in these times
that doorway is open to those who say yes to life.

Woke up feeling in one piece again
although do remember some processing over night
with my unworthiness shadow aspect. No accident
that the shadow is a current topic here and now .
My favorite method these days is to embrace all
aspects of myself in a non judgement compassionate
way. I find that establishing a witness mode helps
enormously, staying in a neutral position and becoming
a compassion observer of oneself .
I know that my people fears are a pretty major core
Issue and it's going to take some time and hard work
to process. And hiding in my house is not the answer
nor is throwing myself in the deep end of the pool.
So baby steps . It's pretty awesome that fasting is
digging out some of my core issues .

More later

[modwiz]

So, I had my first dream about this village here last night. It was a bit of a hybrid. I was giving Ulli a massage, or at least the back of her legs. It was at my campsite but in this 'village'. An interesting hybrid of locales. Although there was nobody else in the scene/dream, everybody from the 'village' was 'present'. There was some dialogue to the dream between Ulli and me, but I do not remember it enough other than to say it pertained to what she needed for her legs and some chat about 'thread' happenings.

Then I woke up. I thought I'd share.

[ulli]

Posted by modwiz (here)
So, I had my first dream about this village here last night. It was a bit of a hybrid. I was giving Ulli a massage, or at least the back of her legs. It was at my campsite but in this 'village'. An interesting hybrid of locales. Although there was nobody else in the scene/dream, everybody from the 'village' was 'present'. There was some dialogue to the dream between Ulli and me, but I do not remember it enough other than to say it pertained to what she needed for her legs and some chat about 'thread' happenings.

Then I woke up. I thought I'd share.

Legs in dreams usually mean forward movement, or progress.
Ulli to you might mean astrology ...not sure what else you might associate me with...fashion?
Maybe it means you were designing some new winter gear for yourself...

but even then one should reduce that image further...
since the dreamer is the subconscious self
well, I will leave that up to you.
One can get assistance with dream interpretation but ultimately it is a matter of reconciling the different inner selves.
which live inside us and which other people only help as image association.

[modwiz]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
So, I had my first dream about this village here last night. It was a bit of a hybrid. I was giving Ulli a massage, or at least the back of her legs. It was at my campsite but in this 'village'. An interesting hybrid of locales. Although there was nobody else in the scene/dream, everybody from the 'village' was 'present'. There was some dialogue to the dream between Ulli and me, but I do not remember it enough other than to say it pertained to what she needed for her legs and some chat about 'thread' happenings.

Then I woke up. I thought I'd share.

Legs in dreams usually mean forward movement, or progress.
Ulli to you might mean astrology ...not sure what else you might associate me with...fashion?
Maybe it means you were designing some new winter gear for yourself...

but even then one should reduce that image further...
since the dreamer is the subconscious self
well, I will leave that up to you.
One can get assistance with dream interpretation but ultimately it is a matter of reconciling the different inner selves.
which live inside us and which other people only help as image association.

I associate you with astrology instead of fashion although I really just associate you, with you the person. My sense of the dream was making use of the other reality and having some quality time with people I enjoy. Making use of the different rules to allow for a situation not allowed in the one I occupy sitting in front of my computer.

No analysis or subconscious stuff here, just hanging out having some fun. Dream time very well spent, IMO.

[ulli]

Well that does sound very straightforward and I'm glad we both had a good time.

Indeed, what would I do without my village?

Hey, Modwiz...any gossip you'd like to share???

[modwiz]

Posted by ulli (here)
Well that does sound very straightforward and I'm glad we both had a good time.

Indeed, what would I do without my village?

Hey, Modwiz...any gossip you'd like to share???

Nope. The vibe there was even higher than the thread village. Makes sense because the essences in the dream were a lot clearer than they are here. Less drama. And that is quite a feat in a village with a low drama level to start with.

[ulli]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Well that does sound very straightforward and I'm glad we both had a good time.

Indeed, what would I do without my village?

Hey, Modwiz...any gossip you'd like to share???

Nope. The vibe there was even higher than the thread village. Makes sense because the essences in the dream were a lot clearer than they are here. Less drama. And that is quite a feat in a village with a low drama level to start with.

Now I really wish I had been there in your dream.
But who knows if "EYE" even exist....

all of life is but a dream....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9FsWAnnJh5I

[modwiz]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by ulli (here)
Well that does sound very straightforward and I'm glad we both had a good time.

Indeed, what would I do without my village?

Hey, Modwiz...any gossip you'd like to share???

Nope. The vibe there was even higher than the thread village. Makes sense because the essences in the dream were a lot clearer than they are here. Less drama. And that is quite a feat in a village with a low drama level to start with.

Now I really wish I had been there in your dream.
But who knows if "EYE" even exist....

all of life is but a dream....

I agree with the life is a dream, but then it just empowers dreaming and dreams. It allows us to know how important thought, and what we think, is. It gives us the key to understanding a bigger picture and to take our places as co-creators in the unfolding of the Universe.

Life is a dream? Yeah baby, and isn't that great!

[ulli]

Actually, Modwiz, you did have a premonition dream,
because I will Here and Now tell you about my inflamed knee,
which has gradually been cured with regular swimming.
So it's this conversation that you dreamt about.

[ulli]

...and one more thing Modwiz..
I do like your new picture. Much softer around the edges than the earlier ones....
Maybe living in the tower with that wood stove is a lot cozier than the tent with those
snow-laden oak tree branches hanging over it...

Please note everyone...the word 'branding' was meant to read BRANCHES. This spell checker is incredibly inventive when it doesn't recognize a typo.

[modwiz]

Posted by ulli (here)
...and one more thing Modwiz..
I do like your new picture. Much softer around the edges than the earlier ones....
Maybe living in the tower with that wood stove is a lot cozier than the tent with those
snow-laden oak tree branding hanging over it...

Nah. It's just my DNA shifting into a higher vibration. Thanks for noticing.

Are you trying to get a free massage???

I miss my tent, only 5 months and a week left.