I have little hope for humanity

[AMystic3434]

I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

[Eagle]

Granted you are right in the fact that more awareness needs to take place and that change is not happening soon enough but look at us human beings, anytime we are pushed into something we are not read for or do not understand we have a natural tendency to push back hard. It is not so much the fact that things need to change, but they can’t be done by force otherwise it will be rejected regardless if it is for our higher good or not.

[RMorgan]

Yeah...I don´t think any shift will happen in 2012. Such kind of shift doesn´t happen like magic.

We, humans, are just like that 55 years old man, who smokes since 15, drinks beer everyday, eats bacon for breakfast and stays on the couch all day watching tv. The doctor always warn such kind of men about their lifestyle, but they never listen. Usually, such men just change their destructive habits after they suffer a heart attack or a stroke.

Unfortunately, I believe that we, humans, are just like these guys...We will only change after something really terrible comes to happen.

Cheers,

Raf.

[modwiz]

A big part of the problem is that the enormity and depravity of the situation is a paradigm shatterer. It is more darkness than most are willing to enter. Most peoples egos are fragile critters. Watch an average conversation in a detached way and watch the egos/personas dance. It is basically all on auto-pilot, beyond any actual real time interaction from a deeper part of our being or Self.

Removal of the day to day paradigm is equivalent to throwing people out of their home and into the street having to find a new abode for themselves. The ego knows this and protects the day to day majority consensus reality as hallowed ground not to be violated. This is our big hurdle because it requires people to be willing to be homeless and clueless for a time while they depend on the kindness of strangers who they believe do not exist. What we experience very closely follows what we expect, except for those breakthrough moments, those windows of opportunity to grow that you have to be aware of to take advantage of.

To work a theme of mine, I have a Fools' hope for humanity. It is how I roll.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

[9eagle9]

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

And then look at evolving people and see how angry other's are at them....lol.

[AMystic3434]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

[AMystic3434]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

I have no idea what you mean?

[East Sun]

We are now beginning to realize that there is an unseen war going on that most people are not aware of. It's nothing new--it always starts before the physical wars, continues with the murdering of conditioned and innocent people and goes on afterwards. It's the worst kind of war because we don't see it. It is kept hidden by the powerful who stand to benefit always. Now more than ever we are on to them. So there is real hope.

But if there is no such thing as Divine intervention we humans are in big trouble unless we evolve or our dna changes naturally.

If there is such a thing as Divine involvement then we have a better chance.

The other possibility is that the ones mentioned in the Bible and by other civilizations come back and that could be good or bad depending what they want from us. In any case things are changing faster and hopefully will end up better, at least for a thousand years or whatever.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yeah i feel like this at times...everyone (well most of) seems to be so engulfed in their automated reality that at times it's near impossible to wake them up...drives me bloody mad at times!!...all I can say is that the ptw has done a bloody good job at creating mass brainwashing and the reality we have today... roll on karma>>>>>>>>>>

I think two things would knock everybody's socks off...1. a pole shift and... 2. the realisation of ET...

viking

[dourpil]

All is perfect. Do not worry for everyone is/will be at the right place at the right time.

We've already made the shift. In some way at least. There's a reason for all of us to be incarnated on Earth right now. There's a reason for every quake and every storm. There's a reason for the "ignorance" to still manifest. See the Light in it and let it manifest in what's best for you here and now.

We made the shift already.

[13th Warrior]

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Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

I have no idea what you mean?

You seem to be saying the same thing as those who believe that in the end time Jesus will return to save them but, only if the word of him has been spread to all on Earth?

[Eagle]

I think that the shift has been made available, but it is still a choice to accept it.

[9eagle9]

If we as humanity have influence on how it plays out then perhaps we have enough influence to prevent mass destruction from occuring. Granted I think the only way to get people's heads out of their arses is a one singluar cosmic event that will be so noticeable as to everyone's consious awareness is pulled from whatever is currently tying it up so all focus is away from holds it in bondage. That's what I think,...

what I know is the likely hood of that happening is closer to zero. Observing human nature tells me that.

then again if we all think 'something' is going to happen the goverment could make damn sure it will...to their benefit.

And human nature across the span of time has been utterly dependable.....nothing much as changed in thousands of years.

When the great flood occurred as depicted in many cultural saga's its implicated the deluge occurred closer to a time when we knew who we really were and had all sorts of magical influential abilities. A time of spiritually and culturally advanced technology.

In spite of this implication, the flood still occured so I suspect with as dumbed down as we are now we aren't as influential even as much as we were then.... And the flood seems to have ushered in a time of great stupidiy or rather sleeping in humanity. Something that appears to have happened over a great period of time during and after the flood. .

Meaning it didn't start raining and people just began caroming about ---durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh--I don't know who I am.

Do I suspect that something or someone took advantage of that shock and trauma ....sure. Do I think someone or somethings will take advantage of next year's 'predicted' shock and trauma...Do I think that shock and trauma of mass destruction could have a devastating effect on one's psyche...I have no reason to suspect otherwise. they did it with 9/11.

I suspect that people assume that one catastrophe promoted our state of unawareness and that another will automatically fix it?

If there any value at all in mass destruction waking people up I think one should reference 9/11--great mass desctruction that riled people up for a while before falling into even greater stupidity, and then finally the same old complacency.

I'm not sure that is the truth but it is at least observable .Or rather more obviated than some mysterious shift without origins, mechanism or even reason occuring that is supposed to promote some instant magical effect. I suspect if anything happens next year humanity will be a long time in recovering from it...Espeically as we seem to be just now recovering from the last great known catastrophe.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

Just when the the caterpillar thought life was over, it became a butterfly. There's a lot going on behind the scenes, so to speak, I can feel it. There's no mother ship on it's way to save us, oh no, that's up to us, and I believe we are going to do it in dramatic fashion. That's how we roll. This is the biggest show in town, and the audience is not going to be disappointed in the surprise ending.

Bet the long shot, and hold on tight.

[Asyloth]

I do understand the way you feel, like viking, sometimes when I fall on people with incredible closed minds it's really making you feel defeated, like you can't overcome the programming with some people, I'll take the example of my father-in-law who is the most closed minded and pro-establishement I've ever met (he's manager btw). Actually at the beginning, the way he was responding to all this was really making me wonder if he wasn't part of a secret society or something like that, but today I just think he's totally entraped in his beliefs about the system. One day (a couple of weeks ago), my mother even got very angry at him, she was yelling like he was on the other end of the street cause she couldn't stand the way he was answering me in his "I know it all" fashion, giving his points and views and not even having the respect to listen to mine, I've been in this situation more than once so I've learned to deal with it with peace but my mother just couldn't stand it, my mother didn't especially agree with me, but she couldn't stand his attitude towards me.
The strange thing is that when I begin to talk about the oligarchy, the manipulations behind de scenes, the fact that politicians and medias are controlled, the way the economic and financial system were designed to enslave us and all the rest of it, that you all know very well about here, he always reacts like I am attacking him when I'm clearly not, I'm just expressing my views and never even thought about targeting him, so I'm always surprised about how mad he gets when I begin to talk about this kind of subject, he directly closes himself, he almost can't listen to what I'm saying, then he'll just cut me, say what he thinks about it even if it has nothing to do with the subject sometimes and then say "I don't want to talk about it anymore", it's kind of frustrating but I keep on doing it, mostly talking with my mother and maybe one day he'll listen to what I say But I don't see what I could do more, I can't tie him and force him to listen to me

But on the other side, I've begun my awakening two years ago, I've been a reeeeeal fast awakener And I've got to say that in general, people I talk with today are for the greatest part a lot lot lot lot more open to all of this than they were just one year ago, to me the difference is astonishing, I mean there's a world between their reactions now and then, one year ago people were often looking at me like I was from another planet or something when I begun talking about some serious issues, today they understand how it makes sense and it's possible to have a conversation about all this with most people even if they don't agree with you and most of the time it makes them think and wonder if you're not actually right.

So I think there's hope, but hope is not enough

[Kindred]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

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Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

Our 'Savior' had already been provided once - another will not be coming. The solution to humankind's problems will not be from the 'outside' We need to look Inside Ourselves for any further 'salvation'. True Peace comes from Within, not from without.

I was truly heartened by the piece on Damanhur, after delving into it's background and the formation of the group mindset necessary to create it. I also find it very telling that the Vatican had tried to get it destroyed! It appears that this concept is perceived as a real threat to the power of the Church, and by extension, All religion.

I remain hopeful that such a mindset, as exemplified by Damanhur, is able to expand and captivate humanity in a more complete manner. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...built-in-Italy

In Unity and Peace - for this is where humankind needs to go.

[9eagle9]

The Mother ship is a win win situation!

Frame: A mother ship is speeding your way manned by benevolent, warm, kind , caring entities that are coming to save your dumb butt.

The good thing is , if that is true, then those kind warm, all loving entities will forgive my lack of belief in them. If someone is coming ot save us then...I don't have to do anything! Which is why I object to the notion in the first place. One's salvation is up to them.

But even if I do or don't....It's a win win situation.

Unless they erupt up like the God of the OT and say, You didn't beleive in us! You're not being saved.

Then I still win. They are not the kind warm all loving entites they claimed to be and now i have proof.

win win.

Posted by Fred S. (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

Just when the the caterpillar thought life was over, it became a butterfly. There's a lot going on behind the scenes, so to speak, I can feel it. There's no mother ship on it's way to save us, oh no, that's up to us, and I believe we are going to do it in dramatic fashion. That's how we roll. This is the biggest show in town, and the audience is not going to be disappointed in the surprise ending.

Bet the long shot, and hold on tight.

[AMystic3434]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

I have no idea what you mean?

You seem to be saying the same thing as those who believe that in the end time Jesus will return to save them but, only if the word of him has been spread to all on Earth?

na, i wasnt trying to do that.