Ron Paul (2010-2011)

[passiglight]

Hi percival,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by percival tyro (here)
HI passiglight.Tell us your man of the moment.

i don't have any,,man of the moment, moments,,,because there are none,,,,,,,,,

me and my partner just do the best we can to turn our backs on the corruption,,,,,,

and if everybody did something along the lines of what we do,this stinking hole would cave in on itself,,,,,,

further more,i don't look for a man of the moment,,,,,,,,i don't want a man of the momwnt,,,,,and i certainly dont need one

many thanks

[passiglight]

My advice to you to disengage from this system is nothing,,,,,,, ,,,,,

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by passiglight (here)
You don't have a country in fact,,,,,,,,,,,

you just think you do,,,,,,,,,,,

and your bill of rights was founded by the illuminati,,,,,,,,

and you are a slave,who thinks he's participating in something when n fact you are not......

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by passiglight (here)
POINT IN CASE,,,,,,,,VERBATEM,,,,,,,,

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
I gree with you Modwiz its the same over here, Left or right does not matter and to a degree the centre ground should be what we are all striving for...
Yet it is politics as a whole that is the problem, its always been corrupt since its conception. The UK has had 'Rotten boroughs' corruption and vote riggng
up untill the 20th century, the same all around the world probably....
The US for all its original ideas were founded in part by smugglers and dodgy buisinessmen.I found out the other day the Boston Tea party was done by local
Bostonian traders to keep the price of tea 'UP' in the colonies as the East India company were trying to off load excess stocks on the US market ,
thus undercutting the proffits of the Bostonian traders.....

The link did not work, it was a BBC radio programme by Michael Portillo, he was talking to Bostonian historians it was interresting, apparrently the modern myths were partly created by Walt Disney film in 1945...

FURTHER POINT IN CASE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

"The US for all its original ideas were founded in part by smugglers and dodgy buisinessmen"

WHAT A MIND BOGGLING SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF A LOAD OF HOGWASH,,,,,,,,,,,

DEAL WITH FACTS,,,,,,,,,,,AND IF YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS,,,LEARN THEM

We have the Bill of Rights and The Constitution and that is the foundation of this country.

Alright then, you say the only thing to do is dis-engage.

What is you advice to me on how to disengage from the system; what examples can you give me that you yourself have used to disengage?

My partner and i came into the position we are in UN-voluntarily and with eyes closed,,,,,,,,,,

now we understand much more,,,,,,,,,

My partner and i live in a caravan,it used to be a tent,,,,,,,,,but we struggled a bit with that set up,,,,,,,,however,,,,,

so we bought a caravan and awning for 800 pounds,,,,,,,

we don't have a telly,,, and we seldom listen to the radio,,,,,,,,,

i work but only because we need to have some cash to pay rent and buy food and tax and insure the car,,,,,,

When i get paid, we go straight to the bank and draw out every penny,,so they cannot use it themselves,,,,,,,

we knocked paying our bank/credit card debts,,,,,,,and they can go to hell before either of us will pay a penny back,,,,,,,,,

that is our way of flipping them the bird,,,,,,,they chase us for the debt and we move,,,,simple,,,,,,,but they dont get paid,,,,,,,

we pay for everything in cash,,,,,,,,,,

and never ever vote or take any interest in any governmental issues whatsover,,,,,,,,,apart from recognising their eveil doings,,,,,,,

we have nothing to do with any religion whatsoever,,,,,,,,,and will not indulge in things like xmas etc,,,,

we pay only the taxes involved with paye,,,,,,,and buying stuff,,,,,,,

nothing else,,,,,,,,

we never buy advertised products and my partner is now vegetarian,,,,,,,,,

if there is anything we can do that is anti establishment,we pretty much do it,,,,,,,,,

and we keep ourselves to our selfs,,,,,,,

i expect there is much more we can add to this,,,,,,,,,but now it's time for a cigarette,,,,,,,,

[percival tyro]

Hi passiglight. I'll acquiesce. Passion is often the passenger of superior knowledge. Keep up the good work.

[Aryslan]

I agree with risveglio's first post. He is correct, in that Dr. Paul's message hasn't changed for years. I'm not saying that he's the savior of the American people, or anything; he's not. However, I've listened to him for years, now...and he's always saying basically the same thing. Dismantle the Fed, bring our troops home, bring our manufacturing home. His voting record also shows that he seemingly sticks to his guns.

Now, just because I believe all this, doesn't mean that I'm not aware that Dr. Paul could knowingly, or unknowingly be a tool for the system. His sole purpose could be to get people fired up about the Constitution, Liberty, etc, just so that the police can know who to round up when the bull pucky hits the fan. His entire rhetoric could be a trap; he could be the worst dictator President we've ever had.

I, personally, do not think he'll ever get elected. We haven't lived in a country where our vote matters since well before I was born, imo. Also, using a politician to fix the political system is kind of like using a broken wrench to fix a broken pipe. It starts out looking like it'll work, but won't.

Edit: He also wants to do away with the Patriot act, he can't be all bad.

Edit 2: Thanks for Constitution lesson, Sid. It's defiantly given me something to chew on.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Ron Paul will do his best to restore the constitution. I like that.

Presidents do have a lot of discretionary power, as long as they are not too much of a thorn in the side of the banksters/illuminati IMHO.
I have no doubt that if Ron Paul is elected, the banksters/illuminati will stop at nothing to remove him from office, by whatever method works.

I admire Ron Paul's courage, tenacity and knowledge, but I doubt if he has traveled very far down the rabbit hole.

Ron Paul has my vote.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by rmauersr (here)
Ron Paul will do his best to restore the constitution. I like that.

Presidents do have a lot of discretionary power, as long as they are not too much of a thorn in the side of the banksters/illuminati IMHO.
I have no doubt that if Ron Paul is elected, the banksters/illuminati will stop at nothing to remove him from office, by whatever method works.

I admire Ron Paul's courage, tenacity and knowledge, but I doubt if he has traveled very far down the rabbit hole.

Ron Paul has my vote.

Read this and then tell me that it is good to ''restore the constitution'' for the people.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post362871

[Laurel]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So now that we have that out of the way.
Who would like to guess what the constitution is for?
And the bill of rights too?

To assure us that we are "protected and safe"

[Laurel]

I really like what Ron Paul and what he says, but he always sounds so darned whiney.
Don't misunderstand... It's not what he is saying but the way his voice sounds in interviews.
I think this is a huge reason why he's not doing as good in the polls.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Well i just registered to vote as a Republican. Whoa, feels weird to type that, but thats how i can vote for ron Paul. Its a sign, a message to tptb that people are waking up, regardless of whether or not he wins. His support is growing, so is awareness of the "corporatism" that has replaced a once capitalist nation. I remain optimistic

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Posted by Laurel (here)
I really like what Ron Paul and what he says, but he always sounds so darned whiney.
Don't misunderstand... It's not what he is saying but the way his voice sounds in interviews.
I think this is a huge reason why he's not doing as good in the polls.

haha shows how superficial/fickle people can be. he sounds like a normal person when he talks, not a shill of a politician. I think its refreshing and shows hes more genuine. "I really like Obama and his policies....but he's got such small hands" haha its good to laugh at the silliness sometimes

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by rmauersr (here)
Ron Paul will do his best to restore the constitution. I like that.

Presidents do have a lot of discretionary power, as long as they are not too much of a thorn in the side of the banksters/illuminati IMHO.
I have no doubt that if Ron Paul is elected, the banksters/illuminati will stop at nothing to remove him from office, by whatever method works.

I admire Ron Paul's courage, tenacity and knowledge, but I doubt if he has traveled very far down the rabbit hole.

Ron Paul has my vote.

Read this and then tell me that it is good to ''restore the constitution'' for the people.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post362871

True LS, however Ron Paul even says himself - you can't change things overnight. It's a process over time. Ron Paul certainly seems to be the real deal - I see nothing to the contrary in his history. Whether he holds any of the straws or not, I believe he is honest and sincere. At this point, that's a huge step in the right direction. Do I think they will allow him to execute his plan if he becomes president? Depends on us entirely. I think it could be a massive eye-opening experience for the world.

My overall opinion at the moment::
As far as any of the speculation as to what Paul's intentions are - let's not get carried away with what we think we believe. I can stand toe to toe with the greatest of cynics (that's usually a bad thing), however my honest assessment is that Paul could be a game changer IF he receives the right kind of public backing once taking office AND builds a cabinet full of loyal citizens that no one has ever heard of (no career political flunkies). It will require everyone's participation - he would simply be a catalyst and voice. If he is who I think he is, he will attract a slew of white hats to his side and earn their respect quickly. On very rare occasions (this perhaps being one of them) great opportunities arrive at your feet that require special attention. Ron Paul may be just that. I don't buy this whole reverse-conspiracy BS - that the MSM is blatantly sidelining him so that we vote for him (reverse psychology). He's supposed to provide some contrast and attract Tea-Party types and Libertarians to the Republican side... he isn't expected to do well. However the problem they have with Paul is that they have absolutely NOTHING on him - no way to put the fire out if he starts to get hot. He's getting hotter. Marginalizing is all they have and people are speaking up about it - ferociously.

If I'm wrong? So what. Do I think he'll be worse than any other? Not a chance. If it's business as usual... I'm already prepared for that. I'm not going to sit in the corner with my nose on the wall and pretend I'm intellectually and spiritually superior to all others because "I know exactly how it's going down" - I know better than that. I'll take my chances on every opportunity for something better. Paul could create enough pressure to allow all sorts of expanding or suppressed movements to break free - free energy, freemen/tax movements, killing GMOs etc. A narrow window of time, perhaps, to make a big push. So many are just waiting for enough smoke to clear to make things happen.

Pie in the sky? Dream big.

Take some time - read his stuff, watch all of his interviews. You might see what I'm seeing. It's not going to come in a wrapped package - you have to cast your expectations and beliefs to the side and be willing to look. That's how we got here in the 1st place isn't it? Don't fall for reverse-blindness.

I haven't voted since Ross Perot. RP will be my 2nd presidential vote in 20 years.

[Guaxini]

i believe that this is the video that you americans are locking for..

https://youtube.com/watch?v=48Gfz...eature=related

ps- i would vote for Ron Paul if i was an american.

[Lord Sidious]

So I gather from you avalonuggets that you don't mind being debtors and taken to be the collateral for the US national debt?

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So I gather from you avalonuggets that you don't mind being debtors and taken to be the collateral for the US national debt?

Sometimes you have to be the debtor in the short term. Good friend of mine I have been helping to remedy a foreclosure and massive debts recently had his 1st child and started a new career - he does not have any more time to invest in the various processes required to succeed (been at it for over a year), nor does he have the same risk tolerance. He is declaring bankruptcy instead. He came to me regrettably, concerned as to what my response would be... and I told him the same thing I would say to you. Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war. You have to pick your fights; there is no one answer.

Would I prefer that we all woke up tomorrow as secured party creditors? Damn skippy. But that's not going to happen. As you know LS, the commercial wake-up has a steep learning curve - it takes a lot of filtering that many just aren't capable of overnight - even brilliant people. Takes time and open spaces - precious and rare commodities. It also takes a catalyst - one many are completely conditioned out of. RP could be a positive step in that direction. Given the scale of things, my energy will be used to forward that cause. The risk-reward appears worth it. I'm willing to be wrong.

[Lord Sidious]

Well, you better hope no one comes calling to collect that debt then.

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Well, you better hope no one comes calling to collect that debt then.

I conditionally accept upon proof of claim, proof of validation, proof of jurisdiction, proof of contract, and proof that the instruments contained herein are not valid for set-off, settlement and closure of the alleged debt... Further, I respectfully demand quid pro quo for the accident I just made in my pants when your swat team kicked in my window at 1:40 a.m.

[Aryslan]

In my humble opinion, Ron Paul would be the best of a bad situation. In order for any real change to occur, the current system must be changed. Such a thing will not happen unless we see a massive consciousness change; if said change were to indeed happen, the current system would be intolerable. I understand, and agree with your points, Sid...but (in my limited view, at least) there is little that can be done without formatting the hard-drive, if you get my drift.

Edit: I plan on becoming an ex-pat in about a year or so, so hopefully I will be not be anyone's collateral.

[Guaxini]

sorry my english, trying to express an opinion, after all freedom goes that way..

let me tell you something you citizens of america about freedom, so I'll talk about journalism. a good journalist .. a television station that is self-respecting public service brings news to the public .. just as they happened, without manipulation .. AND NEVER do make value judgments. now where I want to get tou to is the following videos etc. I have seen about Ron Paul to run for the presidency in 2012. and basically what I see, is that journalists have a duty to take discussions on the role of moderators and simply moderators nothing more than that. happen to ridicule and despise it possible presidents of america, that in itself is ridiculous to think that even approaches the practice of good journalism...is not it! they jobs is to make questions, not to put candidates downgraded. and not only speak in debates, I 'm talking about when Ron Paul is invited to answer questions alone on television they almost spit on the man, invoking patriotism, that he is not patriotic? are you kidding? Man wants you to stop been ass****ed by the U.S. Federal Reserve which is managed by private banks .. seriously where else in the world does that happen? where else in the world people that print banknotes or coins, your money, are private investors ? they do not represent the people, they don't care about people the government should be printing your money, cause your country is like a teenage girl that spends all of is money and then asks more to is daddy (Federal Reserve, owned by privates that print money out of no where, wake up u cannot do that you have to have anything material raw material to make money, every other country in the world knows that, and that is fraud covered up by your government, they are the ones that are bringing your dollar down) . and by that I realized the man served in Vietnam and for some Americans to invade countries and go to war is the only patriotic thing to do, really? so as far as my understanding of your concept of patriotism the guy is all patriotic as can get. you are actually thinking that having military bases all over the world is for your best interest? that you show your power by that? lol you only showing your fear..and honestly you guys annoyed most of the countries in the world and by that i mean all the state members in OTAN. you guys have gone to irap without any permission from OTAN, disregarding the treated that you signed. and the OTAN treated has nothing to do with war, in fact it's a mean to prevent things like WW2 to ever happen again. and you guys are mostly go towards that direction and by the time you are there, yes there is going to be a WW3 but it's going to be the world against the USA. and honestly your don't have that much man our resources to face the all world. you are a militarized country and people are been blackmailed by patriotism, and that were the kind of things that put hitler in power...what i'm trying to say is that your country really needs Ron Paul. Cause yes fellow Americans xD you do have a shadow government and they are the bankers that hold the Federal Reserve. the guys that print your money...money is power remember and in a society that brutally believes in capitalism such as yours..money can be printed in the federal reserve with out no one ever known about it, to buy some people to get em to do things, to shut people up. like.. the government?! they are the ones the finance your midleeast crusade your greedy your seek for power. nowadays you are a fascist democratic republican country. its hard to swallow but its true. and by the way portugal was one of the fascist regimes left in europe after WW2 so as free as i can be rigth now i'm saying that you have something like of fascist/capitalist regime in your country.


ps- i'm not talking about all the people in america. but most of you have been brained-washed. and most of you think war is actually a cool thing, how many people died in 9/11? 3000? innocent rigth? how many innocent people have you killed in the midleeast? thousands? hundreds of thousands? what you are doing its wrong! and what you are doing is ethnic cleansing, nothing more. and eventually if you keep this way and invade or bombing all the country's that you think "alquaeda" are operating you soon be in deep ****.

[Guaxini]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So I gather from you avalonuggets that you don't mind being debtors and taken to be the collateral for the US national debt?

of course they don't mind xD as long as the salary can get them nice stuff. and their illusion that no country in the world would go on open war against them...lol serious? after WW2 you have been in many wars...in that wars have you ever faced an army with air force, ground force and naval force combined? and apparently with all your hi-tech equipment..that nobody in the world have your asses have been kicked off. and by the way..killing one man? Osama Bin Laden, your CIA could do that.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Guaxini (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
So I gather from you avalonuggets that you don't mind being debtors and taken to be the collateral for the US national debt?

of course they don't mind xD as long as the salary can get them nice stuff. and their illusion that no country in the world would go on open war against them...lol serious? after WW2 you have been in many wars...in that wars have you ever faced an army with air force, ground force and naval force combined? and apparently with all your hi-tech equipment..that nobody in the world have your asses have been kicked off. and by the way..killing one man? Osama Bin Laden, your CIA could do that.

Not my CIA.
I have my Imperial forces, they are much more efficient.