War with Iran?...A big No No!

[Eric J (Viking)]

This guy General Wesley Clark revealed 2007 that US planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years INCLUDING iran, Now november 14th 2011 he was on CNN saying how IRAN must be invaded. CNN blew it by showing this video cause now it is out in the open what they are doing.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jlf7XYtBVlY

viking

[RMorgan]

What a disgusting man...

[buckminster fuller]

I wonder what drove him to be so willing to give it away in 2007, seeing how he's selling his lies now, live on tv...

[NewFounderHome]

He looks more link someone how wants to get the message out there. He appeared to be more surprised about the list and the action taken and wanted to let the population aware of it.
He, from my point of view might be on the good side of it. But that we don’t know!
That video has been around for a will now!

[taizen]

Here is an interesting link: US sells Bunker Busters to ISRAEL. In the end, the chess game pieces aren't really being taken off the board, they are just being made to look invisible. If we were to connect the dots ... this guy is only another pawn trying to play a game for which he was put into position to play by the game masters. I feel the global political system is a grand scale of the teenage game : D & D. Those who don't want to play into this or have a different agenda of the game master are systematically wiped off the board.
Game strategies vary, but are pretty consistent. When everyone was busying themselves with the distraction of Occupy Wallstreet and a stock exchange sell off/dramatic gain, there was another exchange going on.
With this guy's announcement back in 2007 of the 7 country agenda, the Bunker Buster sale 4 years later, the upheavel of the Middle Eastern countries and now his new proclamation - time will tell if he will be allowed to stay in the game.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Posted by taizen (here)
Here is an interesting link: US sells Bunker Busters to ISRAEL. In the end, the chess game pieces aren't really being taken off the board, they are just being made to look invisible. If we were to connect the dots ... this guy is only another pawn trying to play a game for which he was put into position to play by the game masters. I feel the global political system is a grand scale of the teenage game : D & D. Those who don't want to play into this or have a different agenda of the game master are systematically wiped off the board.
Game strategies vary, but are pretty consistent. When everyone was busying themselves with the distraction of Occupy Wallstreet and a stock exchange sell off/dramatic gain, there was another exchange going on.
With this guy's announcement back in 2007 of the 7 country agenda, the Bunker Buster sale 4 years later, the upheavel of the Middle Eastern countries and now his new proclamation - time will tell if he will be allowed to stay in the game.

And lets not forget what one of Bill's contact has said ... !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=O2VagWvc-_Y

viking

[Operator]

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)
I wonder what drove him to be so willing to give it away in 2007, seeing how he's selling his lies now, live on tv...

I think he was a candidate for the presidential elections during that time ...

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by buckminster fuller (here)
I wonder what drove him to be so willing to give it away in 2007, seeing how he's selling his lies now, live on tv...

I think he was a candidate for the presidential elections during that time ...

Typical, the sharmouta will sell their souls to get into political office.

[Calz]

I expect the original plan was to push into Iran from Iraq ... but circumstances have changed dramatically.

Supposedly Iraq has insisted all US troops leave by the end of this year (ie one more month) and allegedly refused to even allow the asked for 17,000 to stay to maintain bases. According to this current article there are now less than 20,000 left:

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US troops mark last Thanksgiving in Iraq with turkey, stuffing and rocket fire alarm

Published: November 24

COS ECHO, Iraq — American troops marked their last Thanksgiving in Iraq Thursday with turkey, stuffing and a rocket fire alarm.

Fewer than 20,000 American troops remain in Iraq at eight bases across the country. All of the forces must be out of Iraq by the end of this year, and American soldiers have been busily packing up their equipment and heading south.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...nsN_story.html

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A glimpse at a (somewhat aged) middle east map shows that takes away a large portion of a shared border with Iran.



So it would *appear* that there is no longer any intention of occupying Iran (if there ever was) thus any involvement would be from the air (with various delievery systems). Yes, supposedly many of the US troops are still "bottlenecked" in Kuwait and there is the Afghan border as well ... but from a logistical perspective it seems obvious (to me at least) troops leaving Iraq has changed the nature of things.

Perhaps all that is "planned" is for the initial exchange between Iran and Israel to lead to WW3?

[Asyloth]

I also believe that WW3 is part of the plan of the PTB.
I mean what better idea could the PTB have to make themselves forget when all attention is being drawn on them? What better idea could they have to at the same time put their (totalitarian) world government after it? Today people are waking up about the PTB, the way they are manipulating society and the world in general, the way they're taking total control for cruel ends.
So what better plan could they have? Excepted the idea of a false flag alien attack?

I also think that it makes a lot of sense to trigger WW3 with a conflict between Israel and Iran, where Europe-U.S.(-Japan-Australia-Canada-Mexico) would ally with Israel into the conflict and China-Russia(-South America-Indonesia-India) would ally with Iran. This would be a WW not even comparable with the other 2 WW, this would be the REAL WW, fought all over the globe, and with China having supposedly 200 million soldiers, I don't see any other way than the atomic bomb to try to defeat them, even if they're technologically less advanced than we are, how do you defeat 200 million soldiers? xD

That's also I believe the reason why Iran is doing all it can to protect Syria, cause they know they're next on the list, with probably WW3 if they can't stop it.

I think we probably won't be able to avoid this, I mean look at how it would help the PTB:
-First this would be a great plan for their famous world population reduction, the deads would probably be counted in Billions.
-Second this would be a great way to draw the attention away from them, attention that's quite a lot on them right now.
-Third they could use the chaos to get rid of the free thinkers all over the globe.
-Fourth this would be a very smart way to put their world government in place at the end of it.

So yeah, I think the PTB are working hard over this, and I think we're more or less ****ed if the people of the world in general don't wake up very quickly!

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just a thought...If the stories about the Galactics intervening with Nuclear warheads are true...then how will this all unfold??

Both sides will be pressing the buttons with no effect..!! ha ha ...

viking

[Calz]

Posted by viking (here)
Just a thought...If the stories about the Galactics intervening with Nuclear warheads are true...then how will this all unfold??

Both sides will be pressing the buttons with no effect..!! ha ha ...

viking

Well "they" have certainly shut them down a number of times.

No denying that one.

[percival tyro]

They say that cockroaches leave their site before impending disaster. We'll have to keep a close eye on the migration from the Knesset.

[Maia Gabrial]

This general is two-faced for sure....However, I think he was more honest in 2007 than he is now. I want to ignore what he says now....

Seems to me that Israel is dangerously sitting on a powder keg of 60+ nuclear weapons and now add bunker busters to all that. To me, it seems more like a death trap for all of us on the planet. Either they don't know what they're doing with all of this.... Or they do and it has deadly consequences for all of us....

[OmeyocaN777]

It's obvious that General Wesley Clark has been threatened by Elite maybe he is afraid for his family........

[modwiz]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
This general is two-faced for sure....However, I think he was more honest in 2007 than he is now. I want to ignore what he says now....

Seems to me that Israel is dangerously sitting on a powder keg of 60+ nuclear weapons and now add bunker busters to all that. To me, it seems more like a death trap for all of us on the planet. Either they don't know what they're doing with all of this.... Or they do and it has deadly consequences for all of us....

With your mention of a very dangerous country here, this is an article with high explosive potential:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11...er-iran-nukes/

[Guaxini]

i have an word on this, rpt1 a Radio Television Portugal owned by the portuguese state interviewed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. they spoke English during this interview about the "regime", the nuclear program in Iran and the Islamic world and much interesting things i'm trying to found the interview but the only thing i could find was this http://tv1.rtp.pt/noticias/?t=RTP-es...le=476680&tm=7 , the interview was live and i saw it. the link is spoken in Portuguese

ps- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected by the people, Iran is a Democratic state not a dictatorship.

[Guaxini]

the interview as a few months or weeks, its not old was made this present year..

[Guaxini]

i just heard on the news that NATO as killed 20 Pakistan soldiers.

[Calz]

Posted by Guaxini (here)
i just heard on the news that NATO as killed 20 Pakistan soldiers.

Yep ... not getting much notice (or else the world is simply exhausted about hearing about war mongering and is ignoring it)

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(Reuters) - NATO helicopters and fighter jets attacked two military outposts in northwest Pakistan Saturday, killing as many as 28 troops and plunging U.S.-Pakistan relations deeper into crisis.

Pakistan shut down NATO supply routes into Afghanistan - used for sending in nearly half of the alliance's land shipments - in retaliation for the worst such incident since Islamabad uneasily allied itself with Washington following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

Islamabad also said it had ordered the United States to vacate a drone base in the country, but a senior U.S. official said Washington had received no such request and noted that Pakistan had made similar eviction threats in the past, without following through.

NATO and U.S. officials expressed regret about the deaths of the Pakistani soldiers, indicating the attack may have been an error; but the exact circumstances remained unclear.

"Senior U.S. civilian and military officials have been in touch with their Pakistani counterparts from Islamabad, Kabul and Washington to express our condolences, our desire to work together to determine what took place, and our commitment to the U.S.-Pakistan partnership which advances our shared interests, including fighting terrorism in the region," said White House national security council spokesman Tommy Vieter.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar spoke by telephone, as did General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Pakistani Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

The NATO-led force in Afghanistan confirmed that NATO aircraft had probably killed Pakistani soldiers in an area close to the Afghan-Pakistani border.

"Close air support was called in, in the development of the tactical situation, and it is what highly likely caused the Pakistan casualties," said General Carsten Jacobson, spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

He added he could not confirm the number of casualties, but ISAF was investigating. "We are aware that Pakistani soldiers perished. We don't know the size, the magnitude," he said.

Pakistan's Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani said the killings were "an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty," adding: "We will not let any harm come to Pakistan's sovereignty and solidarity."

Pakistan's Foreign Office said it would take up the matter "in the strongest terms" with NATO and the United States, while army chief Kayani said steps would be taken to respond "to this irresponsible act."

"A strong protest has been launched with NATO/ISAF in which it has been demanded that strong and urgent action be taken against those responsible for this aggression."

Two military officials said up to 28 troops had been killed and 11 wounded in the attack on the outposts, about 2.5 km (1.5 miles) from the Afghan border. The Pakistani military said 24 troops were killed and 13 wounded.

The attack took place around 2 a.m. (2100 GMT) in the Baizai area of Mohmand, where Pakistani troops are fighting Taliban militants. Across the border is Afghanistan's Kunar province, which has seen years of heavy fighting.

"Pakistani troops effectively responded immediately in self-defense to NATO/ISAF's aggression with all available weapons," the Pakistani military statement said.

The commander of NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, General John R. Allen, offered his condolences to the families of Pakistani soldiers who "may have been killed or injured."

Dempsey's spokesman, Colonel David Lapan, could not confirm the closure of the Pakistani border crossing to trucks carrying supplies for ISAF forces. However, he noted that "if true, we have alternate routes we can use, as we have in the past."

POORLY MARKED

Around 40 troops were stationed at the outposts, military sources said. Two officers were reported among the dead. "They without any reasons attacked on our post and killed soldiers asleep," said a senior Pakistani officer, requesting anonymity.

The border is often poorly marked, and Afghan and Pakistani maps have differences of several kilometres in some places, military officials have said.

However, Pakistani military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas said NATO had been given maps of the area, with Pakistani military posts identified.

"When the other side is saying there is a doubt about this, there is no doubt about it. These posts have been marked and handed over to the other side for marking on their maps and are clearly inside Pakistani territory."

The incident occurred a day after Allen met Kayani to discuss border control and enhanced cooperation.

A senior military source told Reuters that after the meeting that set out "to build confidence and trust, these kind of attacks should not have taken place."

BLOCKED SUPPLIES

Pakistan is a vital land route for nearly half of NATO supplies shipped overland to its troops in Afghanistan, a NATO spokesman said. Land shipments account for about two thirds of the alliance's cargo shipments into Afghanistan.

Hours after the raid, NATO supply trucks and fuel tankers bound for Afghanistan were stopped at Jamrud town in the Khyber tribal region near the city of Peshawar, officials said.

The border crossing at Chaman in southwestern Baluchistan province was also closed, Frontier Corps officials said.

A meeting of the cabinet's defense committee convened by Gilani "decided to close with immediate effect NATO/ISAF logistics supply lines," according to a statement issued by Gilani's office.

The committee decided to ask the United States to vacate, within 15 days, the Shamsi Air Base, a remote installation in Baluchistan used by U.S. forces for drone strikes which has long been at the center of a dispute between Islamabad and Washington.

The meeting also decided the government would "revisit and undertake a complete review of all programs, activities and cooperative arrangements with US/NATO/ISAF, including diplomatic, political, military and intelligence."

A similar incident on Sept 30, 2010, which killed two Pakistani service personnel, led to the closure of one of NATO's supply routes through Pakistan for 10 days. NATO apologised for that incident, which it said happened when NATO gunships mistook warning shots by Pakistani forces for a militant attack.

Relations between the United States and Pakistan were strained by the killing of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden by U.S. special forces in Pakistan in May, which Pakistan called a flagrant violation of sovereignty.

Pakistan's jailing of a CIA contractor and U.S. accusations that Pakistan backed a militant attack on the U.S. embassy in Kabul have added to the tensions.

"This will have a catastrophic effect on Pakistan-U.S. relations. The public in Pakistan are going to go berserk on this," said Charles Heyman, senior defense analyst at British military website Armedforces.co.uk.

Other analysts, including Rustam Shah Mohmand, a former ambassador to Afghanistan, predicted Pakistan would protest and close the supply lines for some time, but that ultimately "things will get back to normal."



http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7AP03S20111126